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Topic: Obamacare savings
Posted By: OverMyHead
Subject: Obamacare savings
Date Posted: December-14-2011 at 1:50pm
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Remember when Obama care was going to reduce the cost of healthcare?
Medicare premiums NO MATTER YOUR AGE - TAKE HEED The per person Medicare insurance premium will increase from the present monthly fee of $96.40 to: 2012 - $104.20 2013 - $120.20 2014 - $247.00 $247.00 is an increase of 250.6% over $96.40 ! ! ! These provisions; incorporated in the Obamacare legislation, are purposely being delayed so as not to 'confuse' the general public in the 2012 re-election campaigns. When do we start to treat big government like we treat big business? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: PAPA
Date Posted: December-14-2011 at 3:23pm
| Looks startling to be sure, but I this is just a text of a chain e-mail thats been out since 2009 with fabricated numbers that are totally false. Nothing but BS. |
Posted By: watrski
Date Posted: December-14-2011 at 4:28pm
It may not be correct but it is in the correct line. Our business has had a 50% increase in health care insurance over the past year. |
PAPA wrote:Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-14-2011 at 8:52pm
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I recieved the numbers from a usually reliable source, but here is my own fact check. these are exerts from a Bloomberg article from yesterday titled "Can't raise taxes? Hike Medicare premiums instead."
"For example, when Obama talks about raising taxes on the rich, he means individuals making more than $200,000 a year and families above $250,000." "But his health care law fixed the level for paying "high-income" Medicare premiums at the current $85,000 and above for an individual, $170,000 for families." "Next year, a typical Medicare recipient will pay $131 a month for outpatient and drug coverage combined, according to Kaiser. Those paying the high-income premiums will pay from $183 to $417. That means beneficiaries at the highest income levels would pay nearly $300 a month more." So in one year medicare premiums for some will go up 250%. Imagine if the oil companies , cable companiees, Insurance companies or private medical systems raised their rates by 250% in a year. they would be called up in front of congress. When people raise prices on only a segment of the population after a national disaster it is called price gouging. More importantly we were told Obama care would reduce costs. I cant feel the people paying 250% more are thinking that is a savings. even the base rate is going from $96.40 to $136, a 41% increase this year. I wish I could find the rates for 2014. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-15-2011 at 10:34am
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lets see, under Bush, i had 156,000 in my IRA, 2 years later it was just under 87,000.00
I'll take the expensive healthcare ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: PAPA
Date Posted: December-15-2011 at 2:23pm
Eric, I'm with you on this one. If and when I retire, and am making over $170,000 a year, and my wife and I are on Medicare, I will gladly pay the $400 a month since I can afford it, no question about it. The people on average retirement income won't be paying this and I will not begrudge them at all. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-15-2011 at 2:26pm
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and, their goals have been achieved, 1 out of 2 americans are poor ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: watrski
Date Posted: December-15-2011 at 2:45pm
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Along with all of this say goodbye to any new technology developments in the future.
No Competition = no technology. |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: December-15-2011 at 2:55pm
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I work for a health insurance company so I have a little insight on this matter. There is no magic pill that will give everyone insurance and lower the cost. Our expectations of health care are not inline with what we are willing to pay. What will happen is government will cap dollars going to hospitals/physicians etc and quality of care will decrease. Hospitals will cut staffing (already happening for fear of a decrease in revenue) wait times will go up, less new advances, etc etc. It is neither bad nor good its all about what people want. If you want costs to be lower expect to get less, if you want to pay a high price you will get more. Its the same as everything else it the world. You get what you pay for.
Also as a side note my company is a not for profit we underwrite for a 0% profit. So no waste there or big companies getting rich. The worlds best healthcare is expensive. If you want it to be cheap then it wont be the best ( we must accept this reality ). Anyone who says different is a politician. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-16-2011 at 7:57am
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how the fck did we manage to do it 20 years ago? I browse the charts, there are other countries out there that live longer than us, so who has better healthcare? and do it for less?
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-16-2011 at 8:04am
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I looked at my kids college funds the other day, i got prison raped again, another violent raping, they just keep taking....dont you guys wonder where all your money is going? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: December-16-2011 at 12:12pm
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Great Healthcare does not equal living longer. We have a lower life expectancy because we make some of the unhealthiest choices as a society. We eat terrible, we walk no where, I could go on and on. We are one of the most obese if not the most obese countries, period. Diabetes, heart disease, strokes,high blood pressure; most common major conditions are diet related. This kind of stuff is what blows up your healthcare system because they are ongoing lifelong conditions that only lead to more expenses. The average organ transplant costs 300,000-400,000, so when someone blows up their pancreas from 20 years of bad choices thats another half million that insurance has to pay, if you have it. 26 million people in the US have diabetes. So do the math.
WE ARE THE PROBLEM!! Things were better 20 years ago because we have gotten worse. Check out this http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html - link to the CDC on obesity. If we took care of ourselves healthcare costs would decrease dramatically. Thats why its more expensive now. No smoke and mirrors no dissapearing money. Everyone wants to blame the government, banks, hospitals their neighbors for what is wrong. We as a society have control over all this and pretty much caused and continue to cause, the issues we have. We need to accept this and change. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: watrski
Date Posted: December-16-2011 at 12:51pm
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Good post Jlogan.
We build medical equipment and docs are not buying equipment anymore which makes it tough on us. |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: December-16-2011 at 1:20pm
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yes unfortunately what this legislation has done so far is spook everyone in the medical field into not spending any money. So its becoming a little bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. People dont do well with the unknown. I am neither for nor against it yet, I thinks unfortunate it has caused this gridlock. We just need to accept the fact this is not the governments job to fix health care. It is ours. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: DrStevens
Date Posted: December-17-2011 at 12:38am
| Lets all go to the post office, they can fix anything as long as you wait in line long enough |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-17-2011 at 12:20pm
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i would think the funeral business has a big smile, the coffin makers have to make bigger coffins lol,
im on the same wavelength as you logan, never seen a fat ass 60 year old ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Okie Boarder
Date Posted: December-20-2011 at 4:49pm
And, now it is back upover $156,000 thanks to the Obama and Democratic party policies put in place, right? |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-20-2011 at 7:54pm
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not exactly
someday the big picture will hit you smack dead in the face. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Okie Boarder
Date Posted: December-20-2011 at 8:12pm
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I'm shocked, I thought Obama was going to right all the Bush wrongs. You know, all that "hope and change".
Maybe instead of investing in an IRA, like all the corporate lobbyist, evil capitalists want you to do, you should just pay more taxes into a government retirement fund so that the money will be there when you retire and it won't be squandered away due to corruption. Like Social Security on a grander scale. 
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-20-2011 at 8:39pm
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i think weve discussed what i invest in nowadays, something i can hold in my hand, and it cant get stolen from me ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Okie Boarder
Date Posted: December-21-2011 at 3:35pm
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I agree, but be careful...the powers that be are trying to push us into the point where investing in such things, along with stockpiling or becoming self-sufficient will be considered acts of terrorism and fall under new laws that are being developed. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-22-2011 at 10:30am
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silver is down again, time to buy
you righties stockpile bullets, I'll stockpile silver ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-22-2011 at 10:31am
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im on a mission lately involving law enforcement, I will report back in a couple days.....this one is going to be good ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-23-2011 at 10:29am
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I finally found out what GOP stands for, the greedy one percenters, are you guys loaded and part of that 17% tax rate group? or just plain ole republicans? smoke and mirrors fella's ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: December-23-2011 at 11:09am
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ya Eric. you think we are the bad guys but your little weasel Harry Rery Reid did a botch job two month patch and than ran away and ran away fast. He could have stayed and worked this out to a 1 year deal like the President asked for and all agreed to but no. So big deal he thinks he did something when he just postponed the problem so as to not hurt his vacation. You want to place a negative blame on Boehner when it it is Harry Reid that should be Sanctioned. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-23-2011 at 1:30pm
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like to see who benefited the most from the Iraq war and the big oil spill ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: December-23-2011 at 4:29pm
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I really think that the grand scheme of things no one profitted from the war or the spill.Just like no one will benefit from the 2 month extension. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 9:01am
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im having such a hard time with you guys lately, wtf, Hard no one benefited? when we talk about benefiting im not talking about slipping out the back door with a new set of boots, were talking about billions of dollars, there are still contractors over in Iraq, the fcn embassy is housing 17,000 people, its a fcn compound.
now, i did some reading last night, the tax rate in the 1950's was 91% on personal income in graduations, so hypothetically if a tax rate like this was in place today it would discourage (the greedy one percenters)to take home 100 million dollar paycheck and bonuses, that tax rate was designed to encourage the CEO's to not make that type of salary, in my eyes a hero, Jim Sinegal CEO of Costco, brings home 350k with about a 190k bonus, he needs no more than that. so at the end of the day, these big guys that you guys coddle, idolize,and bow too, take home a couple hundred millies and dont re-invest to put people to work. me the 95% ers, (small business) which obviously small businesses are the brunt of the economies driving wheel pay the fcn taxes at a top rate. The guys that put these laws into place are the greedy one percenters, the ones who benefit, If you cant see a problem, stay with that party, A guy Like Sinegal, is right in line with salary, a million tops, nobdy and i mean nobody deserves or is entitled to taking home a 100 million dollar paycheck, it breeds greed, corruption. it turned into a free for all and not free enterprise. At the end of the day, we went into Iraq for the sole purpose of greed, and I dont care what you say but Haliburton and that rotten bastard Cheney got us in that bull*************** and profited as did with the oil spill BS, that rig was so fcd up and they looked the other way, because they could. We really got to get these tax codes back in line and the top one percenters have to pay more taxes, its creating a burden on a small business guy like me living paycheck to paycheck, i may not be as smart or as corrupt as them, but i will tell you that i work as hard as them and i would happily settle for a 350k salary, and the consequences if I opted to make 100 million dollar salary i would surely agree toa 91% tax bracket which then i would know to keep my salary at the 350k ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 9:06am
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do some reading on thet CIA operative that Cheney outed and Bush pardoned....soemday, you guys will get it ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 9:18am
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if the tax rate was 91% chances are we wouldve never even heard of Iraq or Osama or even the Taliban, these guys we put power are smart they are out for themselves, they create these situations just like the housing crises, the towers, wmd, and they profit, pretty evil i would say ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 10:34am
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So in your perfect world everyone could make a set amount and everything above that could go to the government.
So then I work 40 hr week @ 25.00 per hr because if I work any more I give it to the government. No need to try and make $45.00 per hr. In fact if I can get by with 20 hrs the government will subsidize the other $500. Eventually everyone will figure this out and work 20 hrs. This sounds like a real good plan. My leg is getting warm and wet. Are you trying to tell me it's raining? Aside from that have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 11:14am
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well my observations currently are that it is not working, my 60gs went somewhere, not including, the hit of over half I took on my business, you know what, I work my ass off whether im working for 10 bucks an hour or 100.00 bucks an hour....thats the difference maybe?
think about hard, kill the incentive, change the laws, no more offshore tax breaks and tax the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck out of the rich ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 12:35pm
So you are saying a 91% Fed Tax, and 11% State Tax, SS Tax, Medicare Tax and Property Tax and Gas Tax, and Food Tax. They would have no income left and only owe another 100k or so out of pocket.. Wonder how long they would work for this benefit ??? I quit at 50% when it was all added up. I am not going to work for 10-12hrs a day and give 50% of what I earn to those like my son that only work when the handouts stop. I will do with less and by happier. People have different limits. EDIT: Do not loose site that it is the Same Dollar that is being taxed with each of the taxes. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 12:41pm
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And if you have any money when you die, the Govt takes another big chunk in Inheritance taxes. The family you worked so hard for all your life ends up getting about 20 cents on the dollar for your efforts.
No thank you.... ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 1:02pm
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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this: •The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. •The fifth would pay $1. •The sixth would pay $3. •The seventh would pay $7. •The eighth would pay $12. •The ninth would pay $18. •The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59. So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers", he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?" They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so: •The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). •The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings). •The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings). •The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). •The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). •The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings). Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!" "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill! And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is alot more frendly. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 1:05pm
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An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all). After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this on) These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment: 1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. 2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. 3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. 4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! 5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 1:33pm
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For those that really want to know how much you pay in Taxes in a given year can do what the wife and I did.
Open an account and for every tax you pay, no matter how small, deposit that ammount into the account. Banks do not charge for depositing money. Online Banking makes this very easy to do. Weekly worked for us. You start on Jan 1st and do this until Dec 31st. You have to adjust when you do your taxes in April the following year, or earlier for those that get refunds. But when you complete the year, you have an actual number to subtract from you earned income to see your true Taxes paid. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 3:10pm
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you boys can always apply for a Visa to Uganda ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 3:15pm
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Social security, it cuts off at 107k of income, so if you score 10 mil a year you pay on 107k. you pay into social security, but its broke because they borrowed from it and cant pay it back.....you guys should be pissed off about that, not an inheritance tax.....you wanna go on the best fastest ride at the fair, its gonna cost you some tickets, same as being a citizen of this country, it really sounds like you guys want everything for free but dont want to pay into it...imho ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 3:25pm
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What ride do I get... I used to have to buy the ticket and watch everyone else ride.
My grandson only gets to ride after everyone else gets finished. I have never said I would not pay my way... I just don't want to be told to pay all the other riders while my grandson has to watch cause there is not enough for his ticket. You tell your grandson he can ride only if you have anything left for him. Mine is riding now..... ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 3:34pm
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we take care of our poor and you hate it, all these hand outs, but you know what its a helluva lot better than taking care of the rich bstds in this country, i rather hand a crackhead 20.00 bucks to get a rock and a cup of coffee, than hand or surrender my money to them. and you dont blink an eye when some steals your money right out of your account, who is responsible for that the poor guy?
I really wasnt bull***************ting about the tax rate in 59, lets say you made 200 million this year after all done and said, you will still clear 16 million, in todays times not bad scratch, or if you took that surplus and re-invested back into your company, new technology, employ more people it wouldnt be taxable....thats how you grow and prosper. you know how many politicians to are businessmen? the ones that went and bought and broke up profitble companies and sold them off. at the end of the day i dont see the current administration doing this, sure you can cherrypick, frank, pelosi,obama. but, because its not business as usual and they get the blame...face it he was left with a negative checkbook, 2 wars, a fcn housing crises, heathcare spinning out of control.....in my book thats known as a scapegoat. I personally dont agree or even like the guy, but, as the days go by, I have a tendency to figure out what happened ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 3:34pm
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critter can you utter tax the fcn rich? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 3:35pm
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you know what, im telling my son Santa Claus isnt going to be as giving this year ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 3:37pm
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and wake up, there is nothing left now ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 4:13pm
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Eric, I do not worry about the rich. They take care of themselves and I take care of myself. Everything that I have entered above speaks to me and my family and what we do. I feel that I was taxed too much for what is needed.... That is needed and not wanted... Fix the system and I will play again.
I do not hate the poor but I do dislike those that use it to take from the taxpayer and have no plans of ever earning a living to pay into the system. Check out Food Stamps - a family of 2 get $465 per month in NC. Wife says that is more than she spends for the 2 of us. My wife and I have multiple rental properties and a condo at the beach and a small house on the lake as well as our home. All we have to do to get Food Stamps is get our bank accounts down below $5000. They do not care about the property you own or your long term investments. It always cost more to maintain rental property than you collect.... I put some cash under the mattress and we are in. I actually filled out the paper work for a joke and it came back qualified. We are still discussing if we take it or not. Wife is concerned what others will say. Check out Unemployment, 99 weeks. Give me a break. I actually qualify in July and plan on filing. I have no plans of ever going back to work but I can get some of my money back that I payed in by playing the game. My grandson can use the money for college. What a joke, but it is a way for me to put more money in the bank for later. I just have to be carefull how it affects my Food Stamps. Until the system is fixed, I am done. Consider me a taker from the system from this point forward. But I want it fixed as much as the next Tax Payer.... If you do not like what I do, stop me... I support your efforts. Thank you for your contribution to my grandsons college fund. His ticket to ride..... ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 4:30pm
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Eric I have documented it before, the top 10% pay 60% percent of the taxes, the bottom 40% (and climbing) receive checks. Look at what we are rewarding? Because that is what we will get more of. Have you ever thought of blaming your investment guy instead of Bush? Bush did not tear your money from your hands and force you to invest. My investments have been stable for the last 4 years, I am not making much, but I did not loose much either. My guy minimized the down side. It does not look as good as it did in the 80's and 90's but that was an artificial government created bubble that I am comparing to. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 6:16pm
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your talking about volume,lets be educated and start talking percentages. the fcn average income in this country is 26k, even as little as 10 percent creates a heavy burden on that family..buffet paid 17% on lets say 30 billion, his secreatary paid a bigger percentage and she probably makes 22k. the guy outright says the rich do not pay enough in taxes. big corporations like GE probably recieved a refund, you and me are not making these laws, they are because it benefits them,
Critter if what your doing is true, you are part of the problem and not the solution, yes the government is creating an incentive for you not to work because there is no work, but too, they create incentives for top income earners to pay 17% on 30 billion, he should be paying the 35% tax rate on that income, not poor sally bustin 22k a year ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 6:24pm
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tou want fair tax, then go 35% across the board, corp taxes, individuals, be fair about it
I cant even fathom how many people could be employed at 26k a year and divided by 30 billion, one mans salary, logically those ones divided would fall into the tax bracket of buffets secretary ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 7:35pm
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people might accept taxes a little more if noy for the way the government spends the money. There is so much overcharge and waste. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 8:37pm
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Hard, I just wanna see guys like me and you thrive again, its hard, very hard, im wore out, I dont wanna be a rich man, just take away some of the worries, thats all, it was a good feeling handing a guy a thousand bucks at Christmas so he could have a good Christmas with his family, to me thats what its all about. we just gotta put the right and left thing to the wayside and get someone in there who cares about this country, get it back on track, we are a beacon to the world and pretty much other countries will follow. we need to be great again ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: December-24-2011 at 9:31pm
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Merry Christmas Eric and others.....
I do not think it to be a problem for me to want some of my overpaid taxes back. Yes, I do think I overpaid for many years. Good of you to help the family for christmas. Now, what if he were the Govt and he comes back next week for another Thousand. You ask what he did with the 1st thousand. He used 300 for his families Christmas, 400 he gave to 10 other families that told him they could use it, and 300 he invested in Kodak stock cause he felt it would be a good deal. It tanked. He repeats the same use for the 2nd, 3rd and more thousand that you give him. How long before you offer him only the 300 he used for his families need and you will help the needy you choose and invest should you feel that need? Took me about 30 years..... Again, Merry Christmas ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |