wood question for woodworkers, cabinet makers etc.
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Topic: wood question for woodworkers, cabinet makers etc.
Posted By: Swatkinz
Subject: wood question for woodworkers, cabinet makers etc.
Date Posted: January-03-2012 at 10:00pm
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By bro in law built a bed for one of my daughters over the holidays. He's an amateur woodworker, but the bed turned out really nice. I was planning to paint it, but noticed this evening that the birch he used for much of it is delaminating. Is there anything I can do to stop this delamination or fix the bubbled up places where this is occurring? I hate to spend a ton of time with the finish for it to just continue delaminating and look like $$hit a few months down the road.
Birch ply came from Lowe's or HD. What do you all think? ------------- Steve 2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
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Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: January-03-2012 at 10:29pm
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I have posted this before, that import "cabinet grade" birch is junk. I have pulled apart the laminations simply trying to pick up a panel. I don't realy know what you could do to repair it, as it is probably throughout the panel. Maybe throughbolt with washers both sides? (grasping at straws here) ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 8:54am
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You could try putting some glue in a insulin syringe and pricking through the bubbles if the lamination's are thin and clamp with a block,but there is no telling once you paint more will show up as said above bad ply probably Chinese good way to tell is if the glue line is clear between the lamination's as good ply tends to have a dark red/brown colour but that still can be bad if made in a poor mill. ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 2:19pm
Gary I bought a sheet of that junk for a small project a while back and it started delaminating as I was running it through the table saw!!! Never seen anything like that crap in my life. Steve you could be SOL on the bed but practice makes perfect so he better get started on a new one. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
65 'cuda wrote:Posted By: Swatkinz
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 2:31pm
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Thanks Guys,
Other than the delam issue, the bed looks nice. Do ya'll think maybe if I peeled the delaminated sides off and got them smooth that its feasible to add veneer to the side in such a way that it would look alright? The bed will be painted, btw. ------------- Steve 2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 2:45pm
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Gluing it at the edges is easy, but couldn't you just use some kind of texturized paint to hide the bubbles elsewhere? ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 3:44pm
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Ive fixed a delaminating wood ski by generously coating it in epoxy resin (especially at the edges) and then clamping it. Perhaps thats an option? ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 4:43pm
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I would CPES it and then put wax paper between it and the wood used for clamping it flat. The CPES will penetrate the outer layer of veneer. It will also act as a primer for the paint. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 5:01pm
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Sorry about your luck. How is it assembled? Could a piece or 2 be replaced?
Like HW's textured paint, I've seen paint splattered...even on well built furniture. I'd like to hear what HD or Lowe's says! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 8:56pm
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The glue lines are red, but not the right shade of red, too pink, not brown enough. I'll bet the mill puts red dye in the cornstarch paste to fool the inspector / buyers and the panels still fail. This problem is not limited to HD and Lowes, I've seen the same problems out of panels sourced through the distributors to the industry. I once tried to lift a large panel off the table saw by lifting right on the edge, I split the panel in two. ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: Swatkinz
Date Posted: January-04-2012 at 10:27pm
This is what I'm dealing with:
Greg, posts on the bed are made of the birch as well as a good bit of the trim. I suppose I could tear it apart and replace the pieces that are delaminated NOW, but I suspect that the rest of this bed could delaminate over time unless there's reason to believe that a paint job now will stop the rest of the delamination in its tracks. Tearing it apart and replacing what's delaminated now basically means rebuilding the bed from scratch. I don't have the time to go that far with it and don't have the nerve to ask Bro in law to do it over. What would Lowe's say? Probably give me money back, but that doesn't help me much at this point. Pete, your idea seems reasonable. ------------- Steve 2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-05-2012 at 9:30am
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Steve,
You said your brother in law is an amateur but from the pictures it sure looks like he did a great job. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: January-05-2012 at 9:32am
+1 Wish I knew how to help. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Swatkinz
Date Posted: January-05-2012 at 11:01am
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I think it looks good too which is why im bummed about it. ------------- Steve 2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-05-2012 at 11:57am
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Steve thinking about this some more I would try Rogers suggestion of injecting epoxy with a syringe through small holes, clamping with blocks of wood separated by wax paper but I would add some staples in the trouble area. Then fill, sand and paint. Not sure if stain was your plan but the paint would hide a lot of problems. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: January-05-2012 at 2:17pm
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Now looking at the problem, it looks like the top veneer has split which is good as you can just put some pva glue over the cracks and with a spatula (or something flexible ) force it in under the veneer then support the other side when laid down some plastic over it then a scrap of flat wood/ply and a bucket of water for weight, or set the pva by going over it with a hot iron use thick brown paper between the ply and iron and press as you go working back to the cracks and the excess glue will rise out will set in 1 or 2 min then leave for an hour. ( top tip # No 1 don’t do this one when the wife is around and clean iron after and if you can’t lose it somewhere they hurt when thrown )Or if you have the 2 part type of superglue put each part in a syringe and inject don’t go in the same hole next to each other and quickly thumb over it and hold down until set (can leave a little skin behind until you get the knack but it will sand off) can use ordinary superglue but need to put the needle cap on straight after injecting will get 5 or 6 shots before it sets in the needle.
Other types of glue will work fine with pressure. If all else fails just get some ¼ or 3/8 good ply cut 1’1/2 smaller all round to the current panels and glue on to give a raised panel look on one side but if you have lifting on both then add both sides. It looks great from here  ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-05-2012 at 2:24pm
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Steve,
Just to fill you in on Rogers suggestion about PVA glue in case you don't know, PVA is "white" or "yellow" wood glue! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Swatkinz
Date Posted: January-05-2012 at 2:32pm
The bed will get white paint to match the rest of the furniture in her room. Hollywood, I thought about a textured paint, but it will look noticably different from the other pieces in the room. I like Roger's idea with the wood glue and iron. I'll try that and report back. Is it reasonable to think that if I can get these problem areas glued back down and then and several good paints on this that it could "harden" the top layer to the rest of the plys slowing or eliminating further delamination? ------------- Steve 2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
Posted By: Swatkinz
Date Posted: January-05-2012 at 2:35pm
Got it, thanks! ------------- Steve 2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |