The Government Can !!
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Topic: The Government Can !!
Posted By: MartyMabe
Subject: The Government Can !!
Date Posted: February-19-2012 at 2:16pm
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-19-2012 at 2:38pm
Biting the hand that currently feeds you?  (I hope its not to soon for the unemployment ribbing, there but for the grace of......)I liked the song but based on the tempid response I would say there were a lot libs in the audience that didn't.------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: February-19-2012 at 2:50pm
Ain't that the truth!  ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: February-19-2012 at 3:28pm
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Hey Marty one good thing they just lengthened unemployment benefits again. What is it 3-4 years? Just keep voting Democrat and you will never have to work again?
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-19-2012 at 3:45pm
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maybe your convictions are what gets you guy's in all the trouble your (the righties) having ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-19-2012 at 3:46pm
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I think Ronald McDonald is available....conjur up 20 million for his campaign fund ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-19-2012 at 4:07pm
We already have a clown in office thanks! ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
eric lavine wrote:Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-19-2012 at 4:26pm
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Dont worry Marty, We the people, we'll give you some time to get back on your feet again, cant help ya though with the 2000.00 a month you'll be facing in Cobra because your medical gets cut-off, they just dont want to give anything away...just dont get hurt, or suffer from any illnesse till you get back on your feet...oh, what the fck drain your life savings on in between care....cause we dont fcn care, sht, we got your 401 already. we wanna see you fail, we want every last dime you have....you dont wanna work, you wanna sit on your lazy
ass, i can tell your lazy and want to sponge on the system like i do, I deserve it, im entitled to it ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: February-20-2012 at 2:49am
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"A paycheck for work performed is a genuine entitlement. A claim against that paycheck by those who would rather vote for a living than work for one is neither genuine nor something to which one is entitled in a free society. Let’s correct the thought patterns that allow the current misuse of the term to undergird the modern welfare state." -- Larry Reed
------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-20-2012 at 2:58am
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Good quote, who is Larry Reed? Internet turns up a comedian, an evangelist, and an attorney. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: February-20-2012 at 6:37am
That clip also goes for Belgium! 
------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 2:46am
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Q. What is the common thread?
Building Permit Tax CDL License Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Federal Income Tax (Fed) Federal Unemployment Tax (FU TA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Permit Tax Gasoline Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax) IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Luxury Tax Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Service charge Taxes Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax (Truckers) Sales Taxes Recreational Vehicle Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax Telephone Recurring and Non-recurringCharges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage ChargeTax Utility Tax Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax A. Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago... And our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt... We had the largest middle class in the world... What happened? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 3:10am
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100 years ago seriously-- that's where you want to get back to? 300 million couldn't exactly live like we were living 100 years ago without ravaging the land to worse than useless in less than a decade. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 3:29am
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We have 15 trillion in debt and are heading for 22 trillion if Barrack gets his budget, that is what I call ravaging "the land" in a decade. Each of the taxes above was enacted to pay for more government, and yet the government went further into debt. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The alternative is to look at what worked, and duplicate it. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 7:31am
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He isn't going to get "his" budget, and you know it.
More like a campaign pitch, and that is fine by me. Is there anything the righties will agree to? Are you really saying we need to roll it back a hundred years? Or that you do not benefit from the above taxes and fees? Or are you short sighted so badly you think they were only enacted to create more gov? I for one am glad there is a building permit tax, ( many more on the list too) , my neighbors house falling on mine would suck. |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 10:43am
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DRINK MORE KOOL AID ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 10:45am
And this is because HIS Harry reid once again will not even bring it to the floor. Harry Reid head of the Senate DEMOCRAT The Senate has enough democrats to pass anything they choose. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 11:02am
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I think someone in Syria would agree to your 100 terms....whaaaaaa ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 1:39pm
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ha 100 years ago, doctors were bleeding people out with leaches and penecillin was our best medication. That would definitely decrease healthcare costs. Also life expectancy was right around 50 so that really would lighten social securities and medicares loads. Solves alot of problem. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 2:48pm
You
Jusrin, thank you for the gift of that wonderful analogy, I had to scroll to the bottom of the page and check to see if it was birthday. You are correct, it is hard for anything to improve our even maintain itself when you attach leaches to itand drain its life blood. True for people, economie and buisnesses. Doctors are bright, they look at tesults and change their thimking and treatments. Unfortunatly democrats learn much slower. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 3:05pm
| Reading that list of taxes it seems to me that many of them are what you might call "pay to play" taxes. For example, if I want to go fishing I pay a tax in the form of a license that goes to support the maintenance of fish stocks and lake ecosystems allowing the fishing to take place. Seems like a perfectly legitimate tax to me. Many people think of taxes as solely a mechanism for the government to collect money. Sometimes taxes and fees are used to create a negative feedback on behavior that we as a society have deemed problematic ("sin taxes"), or just to keep people from abusing a system. I have no problem with taxes in principle and I struggle to see the logic that very often seems to say "I want all the benefits without having to pay for it." You cannot have your cake and eat it too! And this from a person fresh off doing my taxes and seeing my burden in stark relief! |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-21-2012 at 10:23pm
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OverMyHead said "The alternative is to look at what worked, and duplicate it."
You must be referring to President Clinton's balanced budget and the surplus created. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-22-2012 at 12:27am
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Look what you did Marty. You got em all riled up! ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-22-2012 at 10:40am
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With Martys employment situation, I am afraid we may all become his entertainment. Stir the pot and then sit back and watch? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: February-22-2012 at 11:15am
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I doubt Marty is sitting around playing on the internet too much, even if he ain't getting paid I suspect he is doing work! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: February-22-2012 at 11:32am
| At least Marty's still got a sense of humor. |
Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: February-22-2012 at 12:03pm
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Did a little re-model of the bathroom
Here I am enjoying a little ME TIME 
 ------------- 66 Skylark http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5041" rel="nofollow - 93 SN If you're not living in NC, you're just camping out! |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 2:59am
I was recently helping to build a garage (it had burnt down), and was present for the building inspection. We were told our siding fasteners were to short to meet code, we had to pull out a tape measure and make drawings to show the inspector that the electric code and the fastener code were in conflict and that the siding staples of the length he wanted could reach wiring properly run through the studs. We also brought a gas line up through a conduit in the foundation and into the garage in a continuous run for the gas furnace replacing the woodburner that was speculated as the cause of the fire. We were required to move it and bring it up outside the structure with no conduit where it could be struck by passing lawn mowers which was what we were trying to prevent. In the first case we could have created electrical problems and a possible fire hazard had we blindly followed the inspectors rules. In the second we were forced to create a hazard where none existed. In the 80's they came out with synthetic stucco for housing exteriors.the product was superior to its predecessor but "breathed differently. Stucco contractors were forced by inspectors to follow existing codes which were not in sync with the new products. Thousands of homes developed mold problems despite and because of the out of date codes. Homeowners went after the builders and contractors for the damages which often cost far more to remedy than the original charges for the installation. Builders reputations were damaged, contractors were driven into bankruptcy, but the cities and state could not be held liable even though they had final approval of the plans and wrote the codes. Why? Because they right the rules and have exempted themselves from damages. Current code requires a vapor barrier on the outside and inside of framed and insulated basement walls. when water gets in, and it always does there is no way for it to breath itself out. Another huge code induced problem coming in the future. I will give credit to the codes for reducing house fires and saving lives with smoke detectors, to the point that statistically fires, deaths and property damage have been nearly eliminated. Minneapolis recently mandated sprinkler systems in all new residential single family structures at an average cost of 3 grand per house. The costs will far exceed the long term payoff considering how rare a fire is new housing and remediation of water damage from sprinklers, and the city is now at a $3,000 disadvantage competing with the surrounding cities for new home buyers. When I roofed my home The city had a non-negotiable permit fee of $275, presumably to cover the costs of inspectors and administration. I did the work on the weekend because I work during the week. I asked about a Saturday inspection fully knowing that no government city inspector can be found on a weekend, they said I could take pictures of my work and bring them in to show them, but offered no discount for me doing the inspectors job. Plus the roof would be completed before they had a chance to determine if it met code. I have worked on enough roofs to know where they fail. My roof exceeds code with ice and water shield further past the the exterior wall than required, rolled up under all the metal flashing's, and sealing the top three sides of all through flashing's for venting and the solar tube. I also replaces some very soggy plywood around the chimney due to inferior (and city inspected) flashing work. For all this we pay a building permit tax? Thanks big government. I dont want my house to fall down either, so I make sure it is built so it will not, and hire private inspectors when I purchase an existing home to make sure it is up to snuff. It is just personal responsibility, pay now or pay later. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 3:05am
TMI, I dont even want to know what is tenting up that wash cloth.  Enjoy your free time! ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:00am
Its not so much not wanting to pay for the benefits although more than half of our society does not pay a thing towards them. Its more are we getting what we pay for. There are a lot of zeros in a trillion. I have a hard time seeing 3.83 trillion in benefit in 2011. I can have my cake, or I can eat it, or I can give it to the government and then have them give me one slice back, and tell me that is a good deal. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 10:33am
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your gonna shoot yourself in the eye with that thing ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 10:43am
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Marty,your signature mentions camping. Your picture in the tub shows a little tent. Coincidence, I don't think so.
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 11:48am
How do you pull out the tired old comment about half our society not paying a thing towards the benefits when that clearly only takes into account federal income taxes and is a stretch at that, when in the same thread as you listed a set of taxes that effects everyone in society. Are those real taxes, in which case everyone really contributes or is federal income tax the only way to contribute and therefore those retirees who no longer make more than 20k or so a year are really just dregs on society? Do you want to have your cake or eat it? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-24-2012 at 4:06am
So if I shop at five stores, pay at four and shoplift at the fifth, I am still doing what I should? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-24-2012 at 6:10am
Is it just me or does everyone think you don't make any sense?  ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-24-2012 at 10:53am
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Dave, What if you buy a million dollar life insurance policy, pay the 52.00 bucks a month, and die in 2 months....do you still get the million?
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-24-2012 at 11:13am
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Not me, I am dead. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-24-2012 at 11:34am
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Kind of a big price to pay to beat the system. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-24-2012 at 11:34am
I could try typing slower. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 6:38pm
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If typing slower will reduce mistakes like using no when you mean know or to when you mean too among other basic mistakes that undermine credibility and reader understanding.
Funny that the GOP's top guys plans will all (except for Paul) increase the deficit by trillions with Gingrich having the largest increase. Yes Ron Paul is the only one who has a plan that reduces the deficit. Deficit spending may be the only way to pull the country out of the hole it's in. The tax breaks to the richest people and corporations have sure not created jobs like the GOP claims those tax breaks provide. That dog just don't hunt. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 7:55pm
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If deficit spending was the only way to get us out of the hole we are in, then by that standard unemployment would be zero, and the economy would be soaring. We have had three years of unprecedented deficit spending (with no end in sight by the way), and we are in a huge hole.
Also, not sure where you are getting info on the Republican candidates increasing deficit spending by trillions. Is that fact, or are you guessing at that because its a good liberal talking point? Do you have facts to back that up? Can you provide a link to provide documentation on that? |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 7:59pm
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How are Obama's Dogs Hunting? I am not impressed. I am not in agreement with all of the republican plans, but I believe they would be lesser of the evils. I don't think Obama's bait and switch plan to reduce corporate taxes but eliminate write offs increasing the actual collections by hundreds of billions, and raising dividend taxes from 15 to 40+ percent will help. I personally don't think we have the luxury of cutting taxes much more to stimulate the economy. We have already done that.We also cant hurt the fragile economy by raising them. What we need is to cut spending significantly. None of the republican top three are the fiscal conservatives they claim to be, but just wait till Obama stops worrying about re-election. Then his true colors will really show. You are right, I am not big on proof reading, too few hours in the day. At least my Mozilla browser gives me spell check but it is not bright enough to understand context. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 8:17pm
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Let me help you to understand
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/25/4289419/romney-unveils-economic-blueprint.html - Bee Article http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1458618567001/alice-rivlin-on-obamas-budget-plan/ - Rivlin Explains ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 8:24pm
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I am sorry, but the Bee article starts with the premise that the budget cannot be erased without tax increases, which is a political position. If spending were reduced below income the budget deficit would decrease. Second it faults Romney for not listening to Obama's deficit panels recommendations. Even Obama will not listen to his panels recommendations, so what is the point? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 8:46pm
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Ditto Dave. Gotta run now, but, everything starts with the premise of "gotta have a revenue increase"....ie....tax increase. Give me Romney any day of the week vs. Obama's view of "decreasing" the deficit. I will take my chances even though the Sacremento Bee provides a very compelling narrative that the the Republicans have no idea what they are doing.
Obama decreasing the deficit
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Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 8:50pm
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Here's the 50 pages the Bee article referenced from the non partisan US Budget Watch group they referred to where Rivlin is a member.
http://usbudgetwatch.org/document/primary-numbers-gop-candidates-and-national-debt - 50 pages The point(among others)is if deficit reduction is so important to the GOP why are they not supporting Ron Paul? Are they really just more interested in birth control and abortions? ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 8:58pm
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Just like democrats different republicans have different pet objectives. you have to pick who closest supports your view point. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 10:57am
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thats the beauty of politics Dave, they tell you what you want to hear, you mold it, shape it and end up believing it, they are selling....you are buying. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 11:00am
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Some more than others, remember this sales pitch? Hope and Change. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 11:43am
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One thing we can all agree on....
2012 - The best election money can buy! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 12:01pm
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and i hate the fcn NY Yankees too
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Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 9:48am
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 10:52am
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he who has the most money wins? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |