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Topic: Gas prices
Posted By: OverMyHead
Subject: Gas prices
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 12:25pm
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Gas prices are at an all time high for this time of year. Any guess on what they will hit this summer? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 12:51pm
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Higher for sure. I have been putting some money away so the kids can ski everyday this summer without fear of going hungry. I believe sometime in Sept or Oct it may miraculously come down to what will seem like a reasonable price just in time for the election. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 1:09pm
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I heard someone at work say $5 by beginning of summer.It's currently $3.70 in the Atlanta area. I'm working as much OT as possible to support by boating habit and to afford the trip to River Run next month. I'm figuring at least $500.00 in fuel costs alone getting there/back and running the river. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 1:52pm
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$5 gas could have an effect on my Green Lake trip this summer, not to mention the frequency of my boating outings. Does everyone accept this price? How much should gas cost and who can effect its price? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 2:57pm
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Where at on average down here in dallas ft worth area, about 3.69-3.75 here for regular unleaded. I would suspect mid 4's for sure and before any of the obama idiots help us U.S. citizens.
Since we have a shortage going on, and Obama is letting these oil companies export so much of OUR overseas, what they need to do is is set a huge export tax on exporting overseas and that would bring these gas prices down considerablly. But he dont he give ***************. Its all about class warfare with this ***************et. He wants what you got. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 3:30pm
Sorry Lee but I have to disagree. Gasoline is a global comodity. We import oil and then refine it and export some gas back out. It helps our balance of trade, and gives us US based jobs. If we put in that big export tax it would hurt employment,(especially in Texas) and decrease the global gas supply thus increasing prices. Shame on you for promoting a big government fix  . ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 4:04pm
You may have an unmarked bottle of Kool-aid in your fridge. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
skicat2001 wrote:Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 6:20pm
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The gas prices were the straw that broke the camels back pushing us into the great recession and when gas goes to 4.50 or so it's going to happen again. The "recovery" is just talk, like realtors saying the housing market is improving. All BS. Stock market will crash again, double dip coming soon.
Who can affect gas prices? US citizens by stopping buying gas. Who's going to stop buying gas? Not me. I'm going boating. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 7:40pm
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Oil companies should have the right to sell oil products anywhere globally to maximize their profits. That's what a free economy is all about. If anybody doesn't like it, they should stop buying fuel, and switch to a mode of transportation or recreation that doesn't use oil.
Bill O'Reilly p*sses me off when he gets on his soap box and rants about how bad the oil companies are, and how the Barry Obama should call them into his office for a good scolding. When he does that, I think he is a "Pinhead", and definitely not a "Patriot". The only thing that will bring down oil prices is to increase the global supply, and/or decrease demand. We could do things like, oh.....building more pipelines, and opening that beautiful artic tundra in Alaska and start drilling more of our own oil. Let's face it, we are addicted to oil (and coal), and that ain't going to change anytime soon. Someday the private market will find a solution to our oil woes, but, dumping government money into the Solyndra's of the world ain't gonna solve our problems. Well, I am going out to the garage to fire up my algae-powered FE390 in my '68 F250 to see how she's running 
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 7:44pm
Dave, I know its a global commodity but maybe if federal would protect wee thee people like it suppose too and maybe use a export tax it drive the cost down. Or drill baby drill.. Dave you know by all means I didnt mean to promote a goverment fix. I said this because the goverment needs to be used correctly for WE THE PEOPLE. And the goverment needs to step in when these oil prices and profits are unfair to the consumer. But other than that, the goverment does not need to regulate nothing. Very little. Greg, I dont understand what you meant by your comment.  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 8:18pm
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Sorry Lee, but I am with Mr.G, Who gets it as usual. Get the government out of the way and let the US use its own supply of oil , along with Canada's if they are willing to send it to us. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 9:36pm
I bet Dave and his other brother David know.
Andy called it. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 10:54pm
I am with you on the double dip, but if reducing demand can reduce prices, why can't increasing the supply? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 10:57pm
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There is no free market when it comes to oil.. there is OPEC and they regulate the global supply, therefore the laws of supply and demand cannot set a price. If fact demand keeps going down and the price keeps going up.. not possible in a functioning market. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 11:01pm
Lee did you move? ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 11:11pm
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Joe, only if we let OPEC control the game, by not using our own resources. If we crank up our production and Canada's we can make OPEC a lesser player, they need the money just like anybody they could only bluff for so long. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 11:47pm
------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 11:52pm
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If our house was truely in order, few would dare throw an egg at it. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 11:56pm
Fortunately for us, oil is still traded in dollars. Are we gonna screw that up too? Current indicators have us in a bayliner in big water.  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 12:27am
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And the American oil companies are so ready to give up profits for the good of the people...it won't matter how much drilling is allowed it ain't gonna lower the price. When you have a monopoly your greed gene kicks in bigtime. They always will come up with excuses...refinery fires, shut downs, the day ends in Y.
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 12:55am
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If that was true we would see a historical graph of gas prices only go up, and yet if you do a search you will wee some pretty wild swings up and down. They call it the LAW of supply and demand because it always applies. We just had the Saudi's reduce production and cost went up, increase production and it comes down, actually it is a little more complicated. We could stop saber rattling with Iran, develop a consistent foreign policy and energy policy that does not include some carbon tax crap, and ever increasing regulations, it all adds up to where we are now. It is commonly know the objective is to create high enough prices to make alternatives viable and it starts at the top. We may se a drop before the election, but if Obama gets another term, gs prices will soar. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 2:03am
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There's like a 15% less demand for gas, so for 2011, gas is the #1 US export so there wont be too much on hand. Then they shut down two refineries in PA because there's a surplus and the price goes up again. Then they will make the "summer blend" gas and it will go up again. I just bought enough oil three days ago to change it in my four trucks twice each and the new boat. I figure oil will be jumping in the near future too. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 4:13am
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raising gas prices? could it be Satan?
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-22-2012/indecision-2012---president-evil - President Evil http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-22-2012/indecision-2012---president-evil-2 - President Evil 2 ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 5:03am
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Canada seems much more interested in being able to ship more oil to China not provide a source for the US to lessen it's reliance on OPEC.
There are existing pipelines running from Canada into Oklahoma already. Getting this Keystone XL built does not seem like it will do anything to lower our cost for gasoline just increase Canadas position as an oil superpower since they are wanting a piece of China's oil needs. http://newsok.com/canada-looks-at-alternatives-to-nixed-us-pipeline/article/feed/337250 - XL ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 5:58am
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Drill baby drill.
I remember that one from the last campaign. Time for a new trick republiecons, that one wasn't bought last go round. Isn't it all so familiar? Turn this land into a waste land and run out of oil anyway. Yikes, clean water is next? That is unless, of course, you don't believe that would hurt our earth. Do you? Or the folks that have tap water that is flammable is natural? That train is a bad idea now too? The two, as well as other oil conserving measures, should go hand in hand and with out discussing each is like a bridge to nowhere. What' drill to just get us by until the next paycheck? D a m , we will lose that battle if it comes down to money alone. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 9:54am
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Andy. Canada is interested in selling their product,period.Their leaders know they can improve their economy but using their natural resources. They will happily sell to us or china. The Xl pipeline makes the process more efficient and means the oil gets refined by the US giving us the direct and ancillary jobs associated with the refining, and the profits from doing so come to us. Either way the oil goes onto the world market and will help gas prices. I believe the pipeline grows capacity faster. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 10:20am
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Seth, When Barrack took office gas was $1.86 a gallon, it is up over 90% to 3.62 national average right now. You will here a lot more drill baby drill. The environmentalists have been telling us we only have a decade or two left of oil since 1910. (Remember the story of the boy who cried wolf?) I remember my junior high science teacher telling me we would run out of oil in 20 years and drinking water in 30. That was 35 years ago. Today we know we have at least 50 years of oil left. Your sides plan is to artificially drive up the costs of energy to create an environment where alternatives are competitive, and see how much oil we can leave in the ground. The higher energy costs associated with this policy and the increased regulations are both factors in jobs leaving this country. Meanwhile we are putting up eagle killing windmills, and blighting the landscape with solar collectors. Basically Europe's policy which Europe is now revisiting because they are broke and it hurts them. Why not use up the oil, coal, and natural gas while it is cheap and alternatives are still expensive? Then we can use the alternatives later when they have become cheap and reliable. This would allow us to compete for jobs with the rest of the world. Barrack said he would not raise taxes on the middle class, but when government policy increases costs for its citizens that is a tax, even if the IRS does not recognize it. We fight over a payroll tax reduction that saves me 80 dollars a month because we need to create jobs, but then we have an energy policy that costs me hundreds a month extra? We would all be further ahead if we had cheap energy and funded social security at its normal rate.
Our land and water are the cleanest they have been in a hundred years. the EPA has to keep lowering the bar on what is acceptable just to maintain a crisis to ensure their jobs. The environmental Scare tactics just do not pan out. Time for a new trick whacko left. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 10:48am
Good one! We don't have to accept it, just don't buy gas!! Or get your own oil company. Kidding aside, we are pawns. Everything we need in our lives has a petroleum cost tied o it. Get ready for some high inflation. The Federal Reserve can't bail us out of this one . . . We might be out in kayaks more often than our SN this summer. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 1:52pm
I did.. getting settled back in up here in ft worth. Glad to be here again.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 5:59pm
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Well good to hear! Now we can ski! Now, all you have to do is trade in all that burnt orange crap for some quality Sooner Style! ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 7:46pm
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The EPA and environmentalists in the US are killing our economy.
If they (we) really cared about this planet and life on it we would stop the economies that ARE raping the earth. 300+ million people in the US. 6+ billion on earth and .0001% are commodities speculators and driving oil prices where no man has gone before. 4:45pm and Daytona is delayed. All this crap is putting me in a bad mood! One more thing my kid is back in Afghanistan. When the economy is in the pits alcohol sales goes up - I'm going to buy some beer! ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 8:48pm
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OK so say we do drill for oil in Yosemite and Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon and any other pristine(as "pristine" as they are at least) national park or wildlife refuge you can think of to increase America's oil supply the oil companies will just reduce refining capacity (as they have been doing) to artifically control(keep high)the price of gasoline. The oil market is highly manipulated, it's not controlled by supply and demand, it's controlled by greedy trolls. Gingrich says he will lower gas to 2.50...well why not 1.60? if you can lower them then lower them to where they fell to after the crash, I believe that is the "real" price anyway. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 9:35pm
O no! A damb sooner...    A sooner.. O man 
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 9:37pm
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Drill baby drill. Since Obama has stopped all the off shore drilling and it is is a global commodity, this is hurting supply and demand. Drill baby drill ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 10:41pm
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I did a quick search on the web for "oil pipeline break rupture spill" and I found a few days worth of reading including a spill into the Yellowstone river where they blamed the river. A few good ones in Canada recently.
I guess we can conclude that the saftey of pipelines is about as safe as ab offshore drilling/oil rig or a tanker ship with a drunk captain. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 1:41am
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"Obama has stopped all offshore drilling"
Not true, do some research before you post BS. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 2:00am
Andy, I cannot imagine anything that would make me as proud and scared at the same time as that. May God bless him and your family. Dave ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 2:10am
Where is he over there? I did my last deployment in helmand river valley. Being a parent has to be tough, I know my parents took my deployments hard. Keep sending the packages over there, they really mean a lot coming from your family. |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 2:13am
| If pete wants I can post pictures from my deployments in case he wants to doubt that too. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 2:32am
Andy, what is your solution? Are you willing to stand by your convictions that oil is to dangerous and convert your car and boat to solar power? A higher price for gasoline is not going to change the safety of pipelines, and the alternative of bringing it by rail is probably higher risk. Everything has risk, ethanol is also transported by pipelines and rail cars and trucks, but it has less energy per gallon so it uses more resources to move the same amount of energy, it uses massive amounts of ground water for irrigation, and depletes soils of nutrients, not to mention it raises the price of corn based foods and puts out higher particulate pollution than gas, making it worse for asthmatics. Wind power kills millions of birds per year, 200 federally protected golden eagles yearly in the US alone.(Let an oil company do that and the sierra club would sue in an instant, but no wind farm has ever been charged or prosecuted) And it requires high power lines from the rural areas to the population centers. Solar only works during the day. Both solar and wind need traditional power plants to supplement them. You would have to completely cover all 60 million acres of An-war with solar or wind power to get the same energy that a few square miles of drilling site could provide. I have not even gone into the jobs part of the equation, competitive energy costs are a key factor for a business deciding where it will locate. So what is your solution? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 5:03am
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A solution? Let's just use all the oil up and then someone will have to come up with an answer. The oil companies will have all the wealth in the world and they will come up with something else when there is no more oil to exploit. Maybe it will involve magnetism. It won't be in my lifetime.
I don't have the solution and if I did I sure wouldn't be posting on a website I'd be swimming in my trillions. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 11:02am
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nuke power and plug in cars, what is there to think about? there is enough uranium pulled out of warheads to power this country, hydro,
what do you guys sit there and think these physisists dont think about this or even the government? there is plenty of LNG to power this nation, I wise man would suck the Middle East dry, and then use our own resources...and then they will call on us ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 12:41pm
| The oil companies have too much power, you won't see any changes until were about empty. Then you will see new technology and ideas come forward. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 1:06pm
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I think the ideas and technology are in place already, just a waiting game...Saudi Arabia is gearing up for tourism alread because of the fact that they is a gettin low, in hopes that tourism will replace the lost income of the crude.
Brazil is self reliant already, I know, I know, there will be alot of but, but, but ethanol....point being is they are using their own resources and are not relying on an outside sources. Ive been following gas prices pretty closely and it does seem evertime, this time of year, they put the bait out there and people start to worry, they jack it 4.00 a gallon, reap the rewards and pull back some so you feel like your getting a deal, the car lots fill up with used SUV's big trucks, gas hogs, they pull back and the cycle starts agin ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 1:31pm
Window glass I dont BS. He has blocked 103 new oil rigs for for offshore drilling. You dig..  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 1:58pm
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welp, ski, BP, just settled their 14 billion dollar lawsuit...i would say they do skip the democratic regulations???????? the oil rigs that is. righties, drill baby drill....lefties,drill safely drill safely.
there are so many pipeline ruptures that dont even make the news, 50k gallons into the water table, thats the *************** that we have to be careful of. off shore out of mind? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 2:41pm
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Eric,
I understand but there are things that do go wrong from time to time. So what if we followed the lefts idiology?? We be screwed. Look at Obama. We sure didnt have a problem with Bush.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 4:13pm
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My son is in electronic surveillance . He calls the night before leaving Dubai going in to Afghanistan and again when back in Dubai on his way home. Dates and times are always fuzzy. Your right about the care packages from home they go a long way. It really helps when times get tough. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 6:48pm
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Ski you said Obama stopped ALL offshore drilling and that's not true. So just cut that jive.
George HW Bush is the President who banned offshore drilling in 1990. President Obama is for limited offshore drilling, in March of 2010 he announced he was opening new areas to offshore drilling in US coastal waters shortly thereafter DeepSpill Horizon occurred becoming the largest oil spill in US history. Obama still did not ban it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/31/AR2010033100024.html - Obama opens new areas to offshore drilling ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 7:10pm
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And Erics exactly right, they pull the old self fullfilling prophecy---they announce that gas is going up and they pick a number, a very profitable number like 5.00 a gallon, then the speculators jump in and buy the gas futures pushing the barrel price up to about 5.00 a gallon at the pump, for the consumers (you and me) it's like a redhot poker being shoved up your rearend and after a while they pull it out a little bit and everyone is relieved but the poker is still farther in than before. We are over 4.50 here now.
I will still go boating, it's still worth it to me, and I hope it reduces the number of huge wakeboard boats out on the Delta so I can more easily seek and find the smooth flat glass my feet crave. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 8:00pm
Gas prices up  Wake Rats down  ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 8:01pm
Texans by birth, SOONERS by choice! ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 4:30am
Obama put a moratorium on deep water drilling. It was successfully challenged in court but the administration kept the moratorium in place anyway. Since the moratorium was lifted 5 wells that were underway have resumed, and a whopping 1 new deep water well has been approved. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 4:44am
People like to rip on the oil industry for profits but they run a pretty tight ship, making about 7 cents per gallon on gasoline. A very low ROI (return on investment) as compared to other industries (Verizon was near 100% ROI a few years back). They just happen to sell a lot of gallons. Nationwide combined government tax on gas averages 47 cents per gallon. Nearly seven time what oil companies make per gallon, and that is just at the pump, and does not include the taxes the oil companies pay on their income. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 4:58am
Eric, you are right, this could be an excellent solution, but we will need a lot more generating capacity to make it a reality. We already have rolling brown outs in California, what will it be like if we all plug in our cars every night? We should have stated building new nuke plants five years ago in preparation for the chevy volt today. We could drop our electrical prices, help out our industry, and reduce dependence, but how may new nuke plants have come on line in the last 20 years? Here in Minnesota then Governor Pawlenty signed onto a green energy mandate demanding I believe between 20-30% of our energy has to be from renewable sources. The renewables cost 30% more per kilowatt than coal fired or nuke, so all our bills have gone up, and we have to pay out more in energy assistance. This is one of the reasons Obama wants to subsidize electric cars with a 10 grand tax credit. We would not need the subsidy if we had cheap electricity. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 8:19am
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It will soon be unaffordable to drive a decent car or boat over here... Just to put things into perspective for you Americans...
And, I converted the Euro/liter price into $/Gallon for you guys. Gas prices in Europe at the moment: Belgium: Gasoline: 8,85 $/Gal Diesel: 7,96 $/Gal Germany: Gasoline: 9,00 $/Gal Diesel: 7,71 $/Gal France: Gasoline: 8,83 $/Gal Diesel: 7,80 $/Gal Holland: Gasoline: 9,59 $/Gal Diesel: 7,69 $/Gal I just took Belgium and our neighbouring countries. ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 10:01am
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I see Europe still has diesel as the better (by no means great) value.
We have diesel at about $.50-.60 per gal higher. Add to that the pig urine additive to make the exhaust cleaner which adds another $.10 per gal, ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 11:18am
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you never heard this selfish American bitching about the price of gas Kristoff, it seems that we expect low prices just because? well maybe somewhere along the lines i bitched lol, we should rejoice gas is as low as it is, but i think we (US) pay a heavy price for cheap gas. i believe the mpg standard goes into effect in 2013, to where the US will be required to be under the same umbrella as Europe with the 34 mpg, now we are required to be at 24 MPG (democratic epa values) at the end of the day we shouldnt be worrying just about today, we need to worry about our kids furture also.
I hate squeezing that nozzle at the gas station, i normally do alot of driving, but if i could i would ride a bike back and forth. When they jack that *************** up .25 cents a gallon, we still have no choice but to buy it, we are talking Billions in profits, such is why gas is a commodity, by low, pull out when high and profitable...the refineries (some of the finest) in the world, are bought and paid for, so the overhead is not really changing, I still can remember the rationing in 1974? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 9:23pm
I feel for you, that is what happens when you have a government that is not out to serve the people who support it, and is trying to socially engineer their behavior. Sadly our president worships that type of government, and we were dumb enough to elect him. In the seventies we created the Department of Energy to fix all our energy problems. Here is their mission. Mission The Department of Energy's overarching mission is to advance the national, economic, and energy security of the United States; to promote scientific and technological innovation in support of that mission; and to ensure the environmental cleanup of the national nuclear weapons complex. The Department's strategic goals to achieve the mission are designed to deliver results along five strategic themes: Energy Security: Promoting America's energy security through reliable, clean, and affordable energy. Nuclear Security: Ensuring America's nuclear security. Scientific Discovery and Innovation: Strengthening U.S. scientific discovery, economic competitiveness, and improving quality of life through innovations in science and technology. Environmental Responsibility: Protecting the environment by providing a responsible resolution to the environmental legacy of nuclear weapons production Management Excellence: Enabling the mission through sound management 45 years later we have not solved any of the problems, we have merely subsidized them. No one item on this list should trump another. Our president said early in his presidency that he wanted to see gas prices rise, just not to quickly (or in an election year). That is against the goal of providing affordable energy and having economic competitiveness. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: dochockey
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 10:44pm
Wow Here in Michigan its 3.89 what is the minimum wage there? ------------- 1989 Teal Ski Nautique 1967 Mustang Harris Float Sunfish |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 11:15pm
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Cheap gasoline, or any other fuel, is not a right. It is not the government's job to keep gas prices low. If you want that move to Iran where the government uses just such a tactic to keep the people happy.
I've traveled in Europe and the Middle East. Gas was ~$10/gallon. Everybody still drives. The difference is that we have built a society that is highly dependent on cars and cheap gas while many of them at least have viable alternatives such as a working train or bus system. They also tend to be much more dense. My officemate is a German, and she told me last weekend that her home city, though the same population as the one we both live in now (~300,000), is only about a third the size in area. Much easier to walk, cycle, or bus to the store. Cheap gas, urban sprawl, McMansions, ski boats... Just like with taxes we want it all but we don't want to pay for them. The earth is finite. Most resources, including the majority of the energy we use today, are finite. Instead of complaining about how expensive gas is (in another few years you will think this looks cheap) make some changes in your life, your community, and your country to adjust to reality rather than trying to get reality to adjust to you. |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 11:35pm
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Anyone have a sudden urge to start singing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BNonFKCBI&feature=related - "We are the World" ??? ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 11:37pm
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well said, I drove a truck that got exactly 12 mpg, up hill down hill, pulling a trailer, doin the speed limit, gas spiked to 4.00 a gallon and i swear i was spending roughly 400.00 to 500.00 a month gassing it, my car gets cloe to 50mpg now and i now spend maybe 120.00 a month and diesel is right at 3.89....that 350.00 i save goes into my pocket and i dont miss the truck, thats for sure, i adjusted, hopefully the next car i purchase will get 60 mpg, thats whats important to me ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 12:08am
How is that car at pulling an equipment trailer? or a 5th wheel camper? Can it haul a Nautique? Can it plow snow? I need a truck and so I suffer. Diesel @ $4.10-$4.25 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 12:31am
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I don't know but something just doesn't add up
http://www.the9billion.com/2012/02/28/us-pays-4b-in-oil-subsides-yearly-despite-record-oil-company-profits/# - Subsides need to end http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/02/big_oil_banner_year.html - record profits ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 12:39am
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Maybe we could start by eliminating lobbies
For every dollar spent lobbying(paying congress/politicians)the oil companies get 30 in tax breaks. http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=E01&year=a - Why?Because they are corrupt maybe ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 1:01am
Jamin, You are absolutely wrong. As I posted above we have a department of energy, and it was set up to give us affordable energy and keep us competitive in the world market. That was 45 years ago, and just like most the other government we fund they are bad at their job. They have a mission, if they do not want to do it then lets at least stop funding them. The reality is that gas does not cost $10 a gallon to produce and supply, people in Europe are forced to pay that because of government social engineering, and that is one of the reasons the US economy left Europe in the dust, at least until we decided to copy their ineffective model rather than stick to the one that made us famous. This country is not Europe, we can fit most of their countries inside most of our states. Mass transit makes sense in a New York or Metro Chicago, but not in 99% of the US. My reality which I am well adjusted to is that I install hardwood floors, I carry a van full of tools and have to haul up to 1000 square feet of wood at a time. That requires a 3/4 ton van. When gas goes up to an all time high, it effects business income, so the cost has to be passed on or taken off profits, which effects government tax collections. I hope you are aware of what is going on in the construction industry. We were hit first, hardest, and probably will be tha last to recover. Running out to get an eco-powered mother earth hug-able work van is not in the picture, we are all making do with what we have. That is reality. Another reality is that our president has a stated objective to raise fuel prices to make his green agenda SEEM like it is needed. He is hamstringing our economy at every turn. Minneapolis/St Paul had a wonderful and complete light rail system in the first half of the 1900's. Our politicians were paid off in generous kick backs in the 1960's by general motors to replace it with buses. They tore up the tracks, and had a giant bonfire of trolley cars. Now we are taking half of our states transit money to try to rebuild a new system because our government officials have decided they want one back again. The problem is it does not go where I need to go. I cannot load a table saw, miter saw, air compressor, 1000 feet of hard wood.....onto if it did. I do get to sit at stoplights that it overrides every time it goes by. It also seems to run over pedestrians on a fairly regular basis. As I said before, We have been told since 1910 that we will run out of oil in a decade or two. I was told in the 70'S by my junior high tree hugging science teacher that we would be out of both oil and drinkable water by now. Current estimates have us at least 50 more years of supply and they keep finding more. I plan on doing my part to make changes and it will start with who occupies the oval office and my states Governors mansion. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 1:11am
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Hmmm Bakken didn't pay anybody off (see list of lobbyists) wonder if that has anything to do with delaying Keystone XL? Maybe the US really does want to make sure the pipeline is as safe as it can possibly be?
http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=50604 - bakkenlink pipeline I know it's a lot of reading, imagine what it's like to be a politician. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 1:34am
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I thought liberals were supposed to be the whiney ones, how come is is always the repubs on here bitchin? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 1:48am
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Interesting that Canada does not want a pipeline to run west to BC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46181932/ - Canada not too thrilled about pipeline run through Canada to coast ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:06am
Liberals are either too busy blaming Bush or patting each other on the back for the well done Obama. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:49am
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when one pumps, one creates a void, drilling is not that easy.
when you pull that crude out of the ground you have to replace it with another liquid..they are having problems up here in Ohio with shale deposits and fracking, its creating earthqaukes? but they hydraulically force the LNG out with water... damn, i did see a show on coal being transformed into a viable useable fuel for transportation, not steam, but a burnable combustion engine...I think we would all be surprised if they said thats it, the oil is gone...***************, you buy a Ipad 2, and three weeks later the 3 is out...thats how things work, the most precious delicate thing in this country is our economy....wouldnt be to good if you bought a car at 16 and it lasted you until you died, its designed like a cornfield, plow it under, grow it again, as it evolves it should be of better qaulity and qaunity. we know right now you can plug a car in at night for 2 bucks and get back and forth to work, humans adapt pretty easily. these car companies are geared up for the 34mpg standards, they are not standing around waiting for the law to come into effect... but again, laws laws laws, which is a form of regulation and it is needed...if we didnt have laws or regulations, we still would be in horse and buggies toten 6 shooters ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 11:21am
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This will make you smile Eric,the US leads the world in this http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16989-yeast-and-bacterium-turned-into-gasoline-factory.html - Yeast Gas now if they were to change the beer yeast gene.....so you can drink and then wee in the tank ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 11:25am
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is it possible that a woman could power her own car?
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 11:26am
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anything you atomize, burns ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MattB
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 11:55am
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Just to make you guys feel better according to "The AA" the average price in the UK now stands at £1.35 per liter for standard unleaded (95 ron)!
1 US gallon = 3.78541178 litres £1.35 * 3.78541178 = £5.11 (rounded) per US gallon !!!! current exchange rate (from Xe.com) 1 GBP = 1.59400 USD £5.11 * 1.59400 = $8.15(rounded) per gallon What is being done in the UK about this.....errrm that would be NOTHING!!! Most people are limiting the use of thier cars not taking unnecessary trips, personally I have reduced my speed which enables me to eek out an extra days commute per week from a tank of fuel which effectively saves me about £200 per month which should go a little way to keeping the boat running this summer :) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6102" rel="nofollow - 2001 http://uksn2001.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - SN2001 Blog |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 12:09pm
| I was un Utah last week and parked next to a late model Suburban that ran on CNG (compressed natural gas), Hydrogen and E85. He had tanks under the truck and in the back. I also saw an electric charging station in front of a drug store for electric cars. I was told that CNG costs about half what regular gas does. We don't have anything like that in the north northeast. |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 12:46pm
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Riley, I think I have seen some public trans buses thet run on CNG. in MA ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 1:51pm
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[QUOTE=eric lavine]
but again, laws laws laws, which is a form of regulation and it is needed...if we didnt have laws or regulations, we still would be in horse and buggors QUOTE] Which law was it that made Henry Ford invent the assembly line. More likely they woiuld be bailing oit the buggy whip manufacturers. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 4:59pm
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omh, thats everything your against??????? your democratic values are sprouting
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 6:06pm
You got that right my friend. And Obama has always got a plan. "i GOT A PLAN TO FIX ALL THIS"! He coundlnt fix a flat tire..
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Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 6:14pm
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He certainly fixed Osama Bin Laden ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 9:13pm
No, he just took credit for it. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 9:35pm
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You mean like when former President Bush announced
"Mission Accomplished" ??????????????????????? Bin Laden is feeding the fish. DEAD. Bush couldn't do it. Obama did it. Apparently you do not know the role of the President of the United States of America. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 9:54pm
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I do know the role. I also know that the ground work for the "capture / kill" was in place prior to Obama's administration. He was in the right place at the right time. I believe with the current administration's numbers being at a all time low, the decision to go in risking both soft and hard assets was a "all in" move to save any chance of a second term. The U.S. military deserves all the credit and pretty much handed to him. He would have to have big balls to take any credit for that in any upcoming debate. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 9:59pm
You dam right... ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:04pm
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Commander-in-Chief mean anything to you? Osama was killed under orders from President Obama.
spin it however you like it won't change the facts. Nor make you right. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:07pm
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So Obama had Bin Laden killed to insure a second term???? Wow what is in that KoolAid? ROFLMAO ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:07pm
Yes we do. Dont raise taxes!!Dont force or use federal goverment over our liberty or freedom. Quit kissing the Afganstains asses. Quit going against the foundations of America, the U.S Constitution. He ruined the healthcare system and education is now non affordable. And QUIT BANKRUPPTING AMERICA!!  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:09pm
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Sounds like you've resigned yourself to the fact that Obama is going to get a second term. I think you're probably right on that. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:10pm
I will be glad to give him that one accomplishment. Give it to him. But other than that, WORST PRESIDENT EVERRRRRR!!!  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:13pm
Yes, I loved the way Barak lead SEAL team six in there, his machine gun blazing, tossing hand grenades.Oh wait, that did not happen. If you want to see the difference between class and narcissism read this comparison. George W. Bush speech after capture of Saddam Hussein: The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq . The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the Dictator’s footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate them. Barack Hussein Obama speech, Sunday, May 1, 2011: And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as I continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network. Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by my intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan . And finally, last week, I determined that Ihad enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad , Pakistan . ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:28pm
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As usual dave your qoutes are cherry picked and strategically doctored... Way to continually prove the rights arguments can not stand on the facts ... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:38pm
Not much, no. I think a lot more of intel and military community would agree with me. Of late that title pretty much ranks with The Queen of England. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:38pm
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100 years from now, when they say who killed Osama, the answer will be Barrack Obama, it will be written in the history books that way
4 more boys ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:39pm
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if it was the right that was responsible, they would have the smoking gun in Bushes hand ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:41pm
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You guy's are talking about gas price's - I just paid my Cook county (Basically Chicago) prosperity ( misspelled but, appropriate!! )taxes today!!! Yup, My property my house/property went in the dump just like everyone's!! But, we still need to pay all those old guys leaning on the shovels!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:41pm
Just compared the two speeches, if that is cherry picking I am guilty. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:43pm
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omh, do you consider Bush wiping his hand on Clintons shirt "class"? i will remember that for the rest of my life, can someone come up with the clip of that just to refresh our memories? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 10:43pm
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Mitt's plan includes deficit spending, increasing the debt. So who are you Bushiphiles gonna vote for? ------------- This is the life |