epoxy resin reaction
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Printed Date: November-19-2024 at 2:23am
Topic: epoxy resin reaction
Posted By: bbishop1974
Subject: epoxy resin reaction
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 6:14pm
| posting this in boat maintenance because its where all the restoration info is.my question is anyone having bad skin reactions to epoxy resin?just finished first stringer in my 86' and on my second battle with bad reaction.its like having poisin ivy X 10.i was very careful and it could have been much worse.second time i got it just around my eyes and hoping to avoid another round of prednisone.iam just curious if anyone has dealt with any kind of reaction. |
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 6:16pm
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Posted By: Big Pappa
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 6:28pm
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Yes I got something very close to poison ivy a couple of times as I have been doing my project. It was when I got some of the resin on me and did not remove it right away. It was on my skin for about 30 minutes or longer then I cleaned it off. Like you said it was very poison ivy like and stayed for about a week or so each time. ------------- http://bit.ly/Mghpvx" rel="nofollow - Big Pappa http://bit.ly/L4zRW0" rel="nofollow - My Project |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 6:34pm
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May be worth getting a full face mask that's vented by a battery pack the type spray shops use and work outside or a fan blowing away from you as you work. Yes Epoxy can trigger long-term sensitivity (allergies) from overexposure.  ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 7:39pm
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Myself, never. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 7:48pm
| Latex gloves?? |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 7:53pm
| Thankfully i wear latex gloves and cartridge style respirater.i cant imagine having it in my lungs.i even started taping my wrists because you could see where my thumbs touched my wrists when removing gloves.it looks like iam going to have to find a full face mask.the eyes are obviously sensitive to fumes. |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 7:59pm
Ok, I'll ask the question that is on everyone's mind. Where you careful to remove the gloves before going the bathroom??   
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Posted By: Big Pappa
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 8:03pm
Mine was in odd places. I got it once on the back side of my leg around my knee and the other time was on my forearm. Never got any inside my paints though.  ------------- http://bit.ly/Mghpvx" rel="nofollow - Big Pappa http://bit.ly/L4zRW0" rel="nofollow - My Project |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-10-2012 at 8:19pm
| only showed up where there was direct contact with resin.forearms from leaning on green work,left knee from soaking it in puddle of resin.eyes and ears from fumes.the eyes just burn,the ears itched like i have never felt before.this bout is just in the eyes.benedryl keeps swelling down but knocks you out |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 2:46am
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Yes big time reaction..... After working with the stuff for 8 years on a daily basis I finally became allergic to a common resin we use in the shop for standard wet cloth lay ups. I determined the culprit was the catalyst added to the base that I developed a reaction to. I've become so sensitive to it that if I get within arms reach I end up looking like the below picture. I normally use a full face respirator before I even grab the cans to measure out and mix up the stuff. One day I was getting ready to go home for the weekend when a guy asked how fix a fiberglass engine fairing that I helped develop a repair for. I demonstrated how to dip the brush into the resin and stretched my arm as far as it would go (didn't have my respirator on) and showed the guys how to lay it up. They looked at me rather odd as I keep my arm stretched out the whole time. MY eyes itched the whole rest of the day and when I woke up the next day I looked like THIS!  So to answer your question YES! It can happen just from the vapors coming off the stuff! ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 8:40am
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This early in the morning finding the above picture sure woke me up! Scary to say the least and I don't mean the reaction from the epoxy! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 10:13am
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I've had reactions from time to time. The lab I'm in has lots of resins, paint stripper, adhesives ect... I've had more respratory reactions than skin though. People don't know in but your skin IS the largest organ. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 10:52am
..... HEY PETE!GUESS WHO? ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
8122pbrainard wrote:Posted By: HatterBee
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 10:56am
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The reactions you guys are describing do sound like reactions to something in the resin but I wanted to bring up something else that could a trigger or catalyst here. LATEX. Latex allergies have become more and more popular especially from those who use latex on a daily basis. Here at the fire department we have gone away from latex products all together. Just something else to think about. ------------- 1977 Ski Nautique Under Re-construction http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25004&title=1977-ski-nautique-rebuild" rel="nofollow - My Rebuild Thread |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 11:27am
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All our gloves are laxtex free. Latex residue will mess up a bond line. The "Live Strong" type silicone "braclets" are also banned from our bonding clean rooms. One trick I do is put on 3 pairs on gloves at once, so you can peel them off as they get soiled. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 11:30am
Good tip- never thought of that! Ive never had a reaction to epoxy, but have heard allergies can develop after prolonged exposure. I really feel for you guys- Im not sure what I'd do if I couldnt work with the stuff anymore... Im hoping to have a lot of projects in my future! Maybe I should start to invest in some more extensive PPE. ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 12:40pm
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Like these guys are saying this is typically a developed reaction... and it gets worse so even if you dont have one you should be as careful as possible handling the stuff to avoid future problems... I know one moron that wasn't the slightest bit allergic to poison ivy in his younger days. He thought it would make a good running gag to always pick some off the side of thetrail in the middle of an orientation hike and explain to the new campers that it was poison ivy, it was very dangerous, and should be avoided at all costs.. I, um i mean he.. would usually be halfway through the speech before someone caught on that he was holding onto it barehanded the whole time. In his mid thirties this charecter is now soo alergic to poison ivy if he gets one tiny spot of it anywhere on his entire body the pads of his hands and feet will break out in a sympathetic ID response requiring serious steroids to clear up. Moral of the story don't tease your immune system... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 1:26pm
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Ha, good story on the poison Ivy Joe. I'm just the opposite on that, used to be covered head to toe as a kid. I still get it every year because we camp so much but the outbreaks are not nearly as bad. Now as for epoxies I think you guys are on to something because for about a year I've been having to take Benedril every day to clear up spontaneous rashes on my arms ( I've recently switched to Claritin so I don't fall asleep at my desk). The only thing I think I could contribute this to is the epoxy finishes I'm using on the Hurricane. I'm quite careful and always wear gloves and respirator but it has to be related to the epoxies as I think we've eliminated every other possibilty we can think of. Alergies are a very aggravating issue to resolve. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 2:11pm
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Remember Scott??? who did the great job of restoring the yellow torino several years ago? He said he had to give up boat restorations "for health reasons" He never specified, but I assumed it was something like this. Shame, he did great work and has since disappeared from the site. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 2:22pm
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Be careful guys......this is one I use here (its the hardener) Material Safety Data Sheet 91 / 155 / CEE 1- Product and company identification Trade name: SD 8205 Curing agent for epoxy resin Manufacturer / Supplier: SICOMIN Composites RN 568 Quartier la Moutte BP 23 13 161 Châteauneuf-les-Martigues Cédex -France- Tél: 33.(0)4.42.42.30.20 Fax: 33.(0)4.42.81.29.29 composites@sicomin.com 2- Composition / Information on ingredients Chemical characterization: Polyamines and base Mannich CAS Number Chemical Name % Symbol Risk Classification 9046-10-0 Alkylether polyamin < 40 C 21/22 34 1477-55-0 m-Xylene diamin < 60 C 22 34 3- Hazards Identification C: Corrosive R 21/22 Harmful by skin contact and if swallowed R 34: Causes burns R 43: May cause sensitization by skin contact Signs and symptoms of exposure (Possible longer term effects): Repeated and/or prolonged exposures may result in : adverse respiratory effects (such as cough, tightness of chest or shortness of breath); adverse skin effects (such as defatting, rash, irritation or corrosion); adverse eye effects (such as conjunctivitis or corneal damage). 4- First aid measures Signs and symptoms of exposure (acute effects) Eye contact: Rinse immediately with plenty of water for at least 15'. Get medical attention. Skin contact: Immediatly remove contaminated clothing. Remove the excess and wash with water and soap. Get medical attention. Ingestion: Do not induce vomiting. Consult immediately a physician Inhalation: Remove from the contaminated area and keep warm and at rest. 5- Fire fighting measures Suitable extinguishing agents: Powder CO2, foam. Cool the containers with water spray Products to avoid: ND Products of combustion will include: Poison gas as nitrogen gas (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO) Protective equipment: Use breathing apparatus SD 8205 ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: MattB
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 2:32pm
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Interesting thread guys especially for people like me that have not touched the stuff (yet)...but might at some point in the future. How about giving a list of some of the recommended PPE along with some other tips, fans blowing fumes away, multiple pairs of gloves, especially ones like taking the gloves of before visiting the toilet, tape around the wrists etc. I suffer from contact dermatitis and regularly need to use steroid cream so am guessing I would need to be extra careful. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6102" rel="nofollow - 2001 http://uksn2001.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - SN2001 Blog |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 3:11pm
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Matt sounds like it's a onesie overall for you with hood,don't buy cheep they won't fit or will leak ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 4:06pm
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I will say this. I have been working in the composite shop for 11 years now and still mess with different types of epoxies every da. My tablemate has been in the shop just as long as I have and hasn't been affected by it at all. (yet?) He may never.. I can work with the stuff all day as long as I wear a full face respirator with chemical cartridges on it. Weird thing is, is that I can grind on the stuff all day long in ventilated grinding booth in nothing but shorts, T-shirt , gloves, safety glasses and a dust mask. It's when the particular resin is in it's liquid state is what causes my eyes to itch, get crusty/scaley and in worst cases, swollen. If someone near me is working with the stuff I know it (well at least my eyes do) but I do keep a tube of prescription cream in my locker and put it on as a preventive measure if guys are using allot of it or I have to work with it myself We all use latex gloves or nitril gloves when using any resin while working with the stuff as we know it's not good for you. Always wear Safety glasses (company policy) and the rest is up to the individual user. I'd suggest using it outside so the fumes don't get you or if you're inside make sure it's well ventilated. If you are going to do a stringer job or large repair then use a cartridge type respirator. We're all gonna die someday but don't make it any sooner then you have too. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 4:53pm
| morfoot,thats exactly what my face looks like right now lol!thanks guys for sharing all the great info,i knew i would get a good response.little scared about the rest of the project.i got a long way to go and thousands invested.it makes me sick thinking about giving up.one more try with full face respirater,if that fails someone could end up with a great project on the cheap. |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 5:00pm
| matt,i am a mechanic and have contact with nasty stuff all the time.this is the first reaction i have ever had.if you get contact dermititis easily i would suggest playing witha small batch of resin before investing thousands into making yourself suffer |
Posted By: grim007
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 5:36pm
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i apply a lot of lotion(gold bond) to the areas on my face and arms that might become exposed to to whatever chemical i'm working with that day. they used to make a product called liquid glove but i can't find it anymore, that was perfect. and like at the hospital wash frequently. ------------- shaken not stirred |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 9:12pm
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Years ago, I had painted my old boat with Imron (only face mask) & have developed reaction to urethanes, & isocynates in particular. Just the smell of paint or resin gives me a headache. Being the cheapskate I am, I recently needed to paint a fender for my daughter's car (parking lot hit & run) so I decided to make a fresh air hood. I used an air pump salvaged from an air bed. Used a sump pump hose & an old welding helmet. An old coat made a skirt, some duct tape, & it is operational. Total outlay $6. I painted that fender with urethane paint & clear coat, & never smelled paint at any time, so it works pretty good. Like Greg above, I protected myself even during mixing. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 9:52pm
Chris, Pictures? I've got to see this thing! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: wingwrench
Date Posted: May-11-2012 at 10:20pm
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/handinvisible.php" rel="nofollow - Invisible Glove Works pretty good |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: May-12-2012 at 3:12pm
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Fair enough Pete - I poked at your steamer, what goes around, comes around! Straight from the Brunstucky Skool of Cobble:    ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-12-2012 at 3:55pm
Pretty Slick Chris. Now that is thinking outside of the box.  ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-12-2012 at 4:01pm
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Chris, Cool! However, I sure hope no one from NIOSH sees that thing! At least I didn't have to worry about any agency issues with my steamer - I doubt the state fire marshals division of boilers would be too concerned! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: connorssons
Date Posted: May-15-2012 at 2:18am
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Go Vinylester! No proublems for me!
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Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: May-15-2012 at 8:58am
SAFETY DATA SHEET Revision Date: 03/31/2008 Print Date: 12/7/2009 MSDS Number: R0402382 DERAKANE MOMENTUM® 411-350 EPOXY VINYL ESTER RESIN 40210 Version: 5.3 1. IDENTIFICATION OF THE SUBSTANCE/PREPARATION AND OF THE COMPANY/UNDERTAKING Ashland Regulatory Information Number 1-800-325-3751 P.O. Box 2219 Telephone 614-790-3333 Columbus, OH 43216 Emergency telephone 1-800-ASHLAND (1-800-274-5263) Product name DERAKANE MOMENTUM® 411-350 EPOXY VINYL ESTER RESIN Product code 40210 Product Use Description No data 2. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION Emergency Overview Appearance: liquid, WARNING! FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. MAY AFFECT THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM CAUSING DIZZINESS, HEADACHE OR NAUSEA. MAY BE HARMFUL IF INHALED. MAY CAUSE EYE, SKIN AND RESPIRATORY TRACT IRRITATION. PROLONGED OR REPEATED CONTACT MAY DRY SKIN, CAUSE IRRITATION AND BURNS. Potential Health Effects Routes of exposure Inhalation, Skin absorption, Skin contact, Eye Contact, Ingestion Eye contact Can cause eye irritation. Symptoms include stinging, tearing, redness, and swelling of eyes. Skin contact Can cause skin irritation. Prolonged or repeated contact may dry the skin. Symptoms may include redness, burning, and drying and cracking of skin, burns and other skin damage. Passage of this material into the body through the skin is possible, but it is unlikely that this would result in harmful effects during safe handling and use. Page 1 / 10 Page: 2 SAFETY DATA SHEET Revision Date: 03/31/2008 Print Date: 12/7/2009 MSDS Number: R0402382 DERAKANE MOMENTUM® 411-350 EPOXY VINYL ESTER RESIN 40210 Version: 5.3 Ingestion Swallowing small amounts of this material during normal handling is not likely to cause harmful effects. Swallowing large amounts may be harmful. This material can get into the lungs during swallowing or vomiting. This results in lung inflammation and other lung injury. Inhalation Breathing of vapor or mist is possible. Breathing aerosol and/or mist is possible when material is sprayed. Aerosol and mist may present a greater risk of injury because more material may be present in the air than from vapor alone. Breathing small amounts of this material during normal handling is not likely to cause harmful effects. Breathing large amounts may be harmful. Symptoms are not expected at air concentrations below the recommended exposure limits, if applicable (see Section 8.). Aggravated Medical Condition Preexisting disorders of the following organs (or organ systems) may be aggravated by exposure to this material:, respiratory tract, skin, lung (for example, asthma-like conditions), liver, central nervous system, male reproductive system, auditory system Symptoms Signs and symptoms of exposure to this material through breathing, swallowing, and/or passage of the material through the skin may include:, metallic taste, stomach or intestinal upset (nausea, vomiting, diarrhea), irritation (nose, throat, airways), central nervous system depression (dizziness, drowsiness, weakness, fatigue, nausea, headache, unconsciousness) and other central nervous system effects, loss of coordination, confusion, liver damage Target Organs Overexposure to this material (or its components) has been suggested as a cause of the following effects in laboratory animals:, mild, reversible kidney effects, effects on hearing, respiratory tract damage (nose, throat, and airways), testis damage, liver damage, Overexposure to this material (or its components) has been suggested as a cause of the following effects in humans:, mild effects on color vision, effects on hearing, respiratory tract damage (nose, throat, and airways), central nervous system effects Carcinogenicity There was no increase in cancer in rats exposed to styrene by inhalation. However, there was an increase in lung cancer in styrene-exposed mice. The relevance of the mouse lung cancer to humans is uncertain. Styrene did not cause cancer in mice in Page 2 / 10 ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: connorssons
Date Posted: May-15-2012 at 9:32am
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Ok how about wood then. Just joking! on the vinylester.
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-15-2012 at 9:55am
http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/wood-allergies-and-toxicity/" rel="nofollow - Wood alergy chart But, only 2% will have a reaction to eveb the "bad" woods. I've done several projects with Cocobolo (4 star rated) and never had a problem. Even my last project (rolling pin) was on the lathe where when sanding you get all the fine dust. I didn't even bother putting on one of my 3M dust masks. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: connorssons
Date Posted: May-16-2012 at 12:53am
Pete! a CC rolling pin, how cool! just picture it with an old script CC badge attached! ill take a batch of those cookies. 
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