Wisconsin Re-call Elections Next Tuesday
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Topic: Wisconsin Re-call Elections Next Tuesday
Posted By: davidg
Subject: Wisconsin Re-call Elections Next Tuesday
Date Posted: June-02-2012 at 5:13pm
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Not sure if any of you have been following the crazy Wisconsin politics over the past 1 1/2 years. They are trying to recall the current Republican governor due to his efforts to reform government spending and public sector unions. The big election is coming up this next Tuesday, June 5th. It will be interesting to see if the voters want to stay on the path of reforms or go back to the way things were. We shall see next Tuesday! It's funny, Obama flew right over Wisconsin yesterday on a trip to Minneapolis, and Chicago. He didn't even stop in Wisconsin to rally the troops trying to recall the governor. Makes one wonder why?? |
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Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: June-02-2012 at 8:40pm
| He'll be associated with a loosing effort soon enough. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-02-2012 at 10:05pm
I had a long day with Obama in town yesterday. Its hard to get much done with one hand guarding your wallet all day!  ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: June-02-2012 at 10:09pm
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You think it's hard Dave? When you here in Illinois you don't have enough hands even if he's not in town ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-02-2012 at 10:09pm
Exactly right! He wanted to spare himself the embarrassment when Wisconsin votes Walker back in. |
TX Foilhead wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-02-2012 at 10:41pm
I sure hope that's how it will turn out. Driving up north and back for the Memorial weekend, about half of the drive is through smaller towns. The keep Walker signs were "wall to wall" in them. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: June-02-2012 at 10:47pm
| Be sure and get the vote out up there, the other side will, and probably more than once. |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 1:50am
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Yea, this Walker guy is doing one bang up job. Wisconsin has lost more jobs than any other state since he took office. It doesn't really matter to me though. Wisconsin is just a backwards bastion of hilljacks. No wonder the Grand Drag-on of the KKK lives in the Wisconsin north woods.( really, there is still a KKK, all 12 of them) It does make a good playground for me, but as far as their politics it is a comedy. Everyone up here has a gun in their pocket too. I had pizza out a couple of weeks ago and struck up a conversation with a drunk guy (but very friendly) at the bar. He told me to come outside because he wanted to show me something. He reached into his car and pulled out a .380 and handed it to me. As I was handling it a guy comes out of the bar and says "wait a minute" and runs to his car. He comes back with a Glock 9mm. In a short time another drunk guy from the bar joins the group and whips out his AMT .45 he has been carrying in the bar. Seems they are all afraid of something up here, maybe zee Germans? Passing guns among drunks who may be unfamiliar with the make and model is really silly. http://www.mndaily.com/blogs/newsstand/2012/04/25/wisconsin-loses-more-jobs-any-other-state-past-year ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 2:37am
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Yah, hey dehr John (as said in my best Northwoods accent)! Not sure you have heard, but, there have been something like 50 shootings and 10 deaths here in Chicago alone in the past week or so. I think I will take my chances on a few drunk's in the northwoods vs. 25 miles from my own front door. By the way, Walker took Wisconsin from a budget deficeit to a budget surplus, and has created appx 23,000 jobs since he took office, and brought property taxes down. He has Wisconsin going in the right direction....in my opinion. We need a guy like him that has the testicular fortitude to be President. The guy in the office right now could take a few lessons. Bravo Mr. Walker!!  
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Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 4:01am
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Brought property taxes down? For who? My WI property taxes went up, how about yours? Wisconsin was also last in the nation in job creation. 50th out of 50. How's that? Not that I think the dufus running against him is any better. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 4:29am
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And here is your balanced budget. Higher taxes, more debt. Where have you been reading about a balanced budget? The state prepares annual projections on whether taxes and other sources of money will be enough to pay off the spending approved in the current budget. An October 2011 report predicted a $72.7 million surplus, but since then projected tax collections have dropped by $272.8 million. Combined with other decreases in anticipated revenue, the state would be $143.2 million short when the current budget expires at the end of June 2013, according to the Legislative Fiscal Bureau. The projected tax collections dropped after economic forecasts became more pessimistic. Also, revenues are expected to decrease because of changes in state law that could result in higher income tax returns this year compared with last year and law changes that could reduce corporate income and franchise tax collections. Under state law, the governor’s office is required to submit a bill to balance the budget if there is a significant shortfall. The administration is considering ways to balance the ledger, such as refinancing or restructuring debt, according to the fiscal bureau report. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 4:39am
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Wisconsin is only state to lose jobs six straight months By ASSOCIATED PRESS Monday, March 5, 2012 Wisconsin desperately needs new jobs. Alone among the 50 states, it has lost private-sector jobs for six straight months, raising the political and economic stakes of the next jobs report, due Thursday. Even feeble job creation would bring a sense of relief to a recession-weary state and a pro-business governor who campaigned on a promise to add 250,000 new private-sector jobs in his current term. “The rest of the nation is moving upwards. We’re one of the few states moving downward. There’s something wrong,” said economist Steven Deller of UW-Madison. The United States as a whole has added private-sector jobs 23 months in a row, including almost a half million jobs in the past two months. But Wisconsin has been moving in the opposite direction, a trend that not only threatens Gov. Scott Walker’s campaign promise but could cloud any message of economic renewal as the state heads into a recall election. For a full story, read Monday’s Gazette, read online in the Gazette’s E-Edition or check back at GazetteXtra.com. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 5:20am
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It must be just a coincidence then that Wisconsin has moved from 41st to 20th in the best states to do business in according to Chief Executive Magazine in the past two years....since Walker has been governor. The worst states were California, New York, Illinois, Michigan, Taxachusetts. Starting to see a common thread? There are many erroneous facts and figures being thrown around on this issue It all depends on what you want to believe I suppose. Let's take jobs for example. The Democrats were claiming that Walker had a loss of 30,000 jobs. That was because they only polled 3% of business. But, when the polling was complete, Wisconsin had actually gained 23,000 jobs officially according the Federal numbers just released over the past week or so. http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/05/02/chief-executive-wisconsin-moves-up.html" rel="nofollow - Wisconsin Moves from 41st to 20th in Best State to Do Business |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 6:16am
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Wow, Chief Executive.net. The final authority! My daughters boyfriends online bicycle magazine, tenspeedhero.com, has a larger circulation than Chief Executive Magazines 42,000. Didn't they write that article on space aliens posing as CFOs.It was just before the article that told you my Wisconsin property taxes went down. Based on the depressed housing market I was informed by the assessors office that the assessed value of my Wisconsin property had decreased. Rather than decreasing my taxes they increased the multiplier driving my taxes higher than they were before on a property with reduced value. My Illinois property taxes did go down however. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 8:42am
John, Mine went down 10% It depends on what school district you are in. Here's what happened under the Walker regime: He passed a bill that allowed each district to go out in the private sector and purchase medical insurance. Previously, the districts were required to purchase all the med insurance through the unions. Guess what was found out. The exact same policy was thousands cheaper since the unions were charging extra $$$$. Funny but that sure didn't surprise me!!!! I believe there were only 3 districts in the state that stuck with the union purchased medical. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 12:55pm
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Another interesting factoid is that public union membership has gone down dramatically since Walker's reforms. It used to be mandatory that public union members dues were automatically taken from their government paycheck and sent directly to the unions. Walker stopped that practice, and said that if an individual wanted to be a member of a public union, they could pay it out of their own pocket, but, thte state would no longer automatically do the unions dirty work for them. Guess what.....public union membership has dropped like a rock since individuals now have a choice as to whether or not they want to be in a union. A summary is as follows: "The Wisconsin branch of the American Federation of Teachers has lost some 6,000 of its 17,000 members. And membership in the state’s chapter of AFSCME has plummeted from nearly 63,000 to just 29,000 in just one year." Full article here....... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2890922/posts" rel="nofollow - Political Happenings in Wisconsin Including Union Membership |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 3:11pm
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Walker is Jon Doe, right? Recall fails, Milwaukee county might have the criminal in cuffs before he can celebrate too much so don't get too excited just yet. What a Scumbag. ANd you talk about wasted tax dollars, this ***************e used the same tax dollars to buy his own seat, and you think that is ok just because you follow his party. Talk about Chicago style politics. Somebody needs to get folks working again with money to burn. The poker tables have been so depressing, my retirement is imminent. Maybe I need to spend more time in Tunica, they are "right to work", so that must be where the money flows. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 5:29pm
As usual, you missed the other parts and conformed the story to meet your goal. No, kidding, membership dropped. That is the most obvious comment I have ever heard. So then, that was the goal, drop union membership? You have to say yes, yuck. I thought Jon Doe told me something else on the campaign trail. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 5:59pm
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I bet those that need the money now sure appreciate having a choice! ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 6:07pm
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I think the purpose was to control government spending, the unions just happened to be the ones spending the governments money. I thought wall-street greed was the root of all evil, but the school districts are finding health care cheaper in the private sector than from the mandated union policy. Unions that are supposed to be looking for the little guy. The fact is greed is everywhere, it is human nature and the only hope is to keep it in check, and as proven here again it is competition that creates a check and leads to efficiency and innovation. Give someone a monopoly and you get bloat waste and fraud. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 9:36pm
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The "John Doe" that OOW is referring to is a charge that Walker's staffer's campaigned using govt computers while he was the Milwaukee County executive several years ago (or something close to that....OOW can expound I am sure). OH MY GOD!!!! He is such a criminal!! What's next, are they going to bring up the jay-walking charge he got when he was in high school? Is the John Doe thing all you got? So, union membership is dropping at the hand of Walker. All he changed was the fact that the state would no longer confiscate the dues from the members and give it to the unions. They members now have to pay directly to the unions. It seems many union members didn't really find the value of being in the union, and they would rather have that money to spend as they see fit. Its also very interesting that the thing that got the recall started was that the unions were furious with Walker for making them pay just a little bit toward their own retirement funds and healthcare insurance. My god, I would give my rigth arm to have the bennies the public union folks get....even after the reforms. So, it was the union reforms that started everything. But, isn't it interesting that they are not campaigning on that issue? Not one word has been said about that because the Dems know the public ain't buying it. But, thank god they got the "John Doe" situation, and quite possibly the jay-walking charges too. By the way, had a lovely day today on Delavan Lake in Scott Walker's home town. |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 9:53pm
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I was kind of wondering about what that was. Sounds like stuff I get from most anyone above the county commissioner to remind me they are there. That's a pretty grey area around that line of campaign or not for those in office. Anyone gotten one of the mailers about which of your neighbors voted in the last couple of elections yet? |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-03-2012 at 10:07pm
What a shame. If the trend continues, the leaches running the unions will have to find someone else to prey on to make their money. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-04-2012 at 3:33am
Two things to consider David. Instead of giving your right ARM, why don't you just apply for one of the more than 600 Wisconsin teacher jobs posted online right now. Keep the right arm AND get those bennies too. I am sure they would hire you with your qualifications. Go ahead, ride the gravy train if you think you can. Also, your opinion on what laws should be enforced and which should be disregarded is of no interest to a prosecutor. He is sworn to uphold and enforce all laws under his jurisdiction. To fail to do so would be an omission and a violation of public trust. I became very tired of people who did not respect the laws of the country they profess to love very early in my career. Few take responsibility for their actions. I commonly told people: No, I don't have anything better to do than arrest you for _________________. Yes you did make my quota. Most likely I will get that promotion now. I know you pay my salary, here's you quarter back. Here is my business card so you don't mis-spell my name when you sue me. I think you are too late to kill me and my family when you get out, about 250 people have told me they are going to do it prior to you. I hope you are not this disrespectful of the laws of our land. If there is a coming that he violated the law by using public property and taxpayer money for personal gain there should be a thorough investigation. The prospect of more than 1,000 illegal Walker emails is troubling too. If he did nothing wrong, the investigation will show that. If he violated a law he should be prosecuted at least as vigorously as anyone else being that he holds a position of public trust. BTW, the statute of limitations ran out on that j-walking infraction I'm sure. I am glad you had a good time out. Summer is here, time to enjoy it. Isn't Lake Delevan a shallow weedy lake? When you fly over it it looks kinda nasty. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: wingwrench
Date Posted: June-04-2012 at 11:06am
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Pretty sad state to be subjected to a recall for actually following through on your campaign promises. What a waste of time and taxpayer money. Thank you Wisconsin, for showing the rest of the country just how strong a hold some unions have on our government. |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-04-2012 at 11:47am
John....then you should be highly interested in what Kris Barrett, the wife of Milwaukee Mayor, Tom Barrett (who is Walker's opponent in the recall race) has been up to. While she was a Milwaukee Public School teacher, it seems she had a few issues with campaigning for her husband while on school (let that read while on GOVERNMENT time). So, I am sure you will be in favor of her being charged as well? Although her husband, the Mayor of Milwaukee, and Walker's opponent say's what she did isn't really bad. A bit hypocritical if you ask me. http://fox6now.com/2012/05/14/tom-barretts-wife-kris-accused-of-unethical-political-activity/" rel="nofollow - See What Governor Walker's Opponent's Wife Has Been Up To On Government Time/Computers |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: June-04-2012 at 12:11pm
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This was in our paper this morning. Hard to argue facts and logic with George Will. http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/wisconsin-progressive-labor-interests-throwing-epic-tantrum_2012-06-04.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/wisconsin-progressive-labor-interests-throwing-epic-tantrum_2012-06-04.html |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: June-04-2012 at 12:38pm
| John, I would have never guessed you weren't all smiles when you were working. I'm sure you must be very impressed with Eric Holder's even hand when it comes to his prosecutions since he became AG. |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-04-2012 at 1:19pm
John....then you should be highly interested in what Kris Barrett, the wife of Milwaukee Mayor, Tom Barrett (who is Walker's opponent in the recall race) has been up to. While she was a Milwaukee Public School teacher, it seems she had a few issues with campaigning for her husband while on school (let that read while on GOVERNMENT time). If there is a complaint or suspicion that she violated the law there should be an investigation. I am not familiar with Wisconsin law on the issue, but in Illinois, unless she is elected to the position there would be no specific violation of law for performing personal business on company time that I am aware of, since she holds no public office or powers of arrest. I am aware of an investigation of a municipal employee in the town where I worked who my department charged with theft (his salery) for doing personal work on village time. The case was lost at trial. It was not my case. Normally recourse for employees is limited to termination. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 1:44am
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Dave, enjoy.the day tomorrow. Vote once for me. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 1:52am
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Dave....I want so bad to go up to Madison tomorrow, and watch everything. I wish I could vote up there, but, the law says I can't. Not sure that will stop other out of staters though
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Posted By: tbeard
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 2:16am
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This win for Scott Walker will be a gig to Obama and his cool-aid drinkers. I hope it is a union shellacking and Wisconsin can move forward with effective policy to strengthen their state for the residences. Good Luck Scott Walker! ------------- Thanks.......Tom |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 2:25am
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Pass the cool aide. The economy is back, the job picture has improved dramatically, and my retirement accounts have recovered and surpassed where they were pre Bush! We must be a nation of Alzheimer's victims. Some act like the Republican / Bush era never happened. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 2:36am
Ah yes, the good old days. How I long for them. You are talking about when unemployment was around 5-6%, and we still had a national debt of under $10 trillion. I miss the era too John! |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 3:04am
Aah, Yes, the Clinton days of surpluses. You made my point. Seek professional help for your memory! Hey, you ever take your boat to Lake Geneva? ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 3:22am
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I will take the Clinton days. He had his faults on more of a personal level, but, the current occupant of the White House makes Bubba look like a Tea Party leader. I saw a chart the other day on tv, and his spending broken down to a daily basis looked very low. Not sure what what the underlying circumstances were back then, but, I was pretty impressed. I do take my boat to Lake Geneva. In fact, we were heading there on Sunday, but, the parking lot at Fontana was full, so we just headed up the road to Delavan. How about you? It can get pretty choppy up there. By the way, Delavan Lake is not as bad as you described it. It does have some shallow areas, but, that is in a back bay where the condos are at, and there are some areas where there is some algae. It certainly isn't as prisine of lake as Lake Geneva or Green Lake, but, still a pretty darn good boating lake. Plus, Lake Lawn Lodge is there, and that is a cool old place. You ought to try Delavan sometime. Better for smaller boats. |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 5:02am
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I have never boated there, but I used to fly in to Lake Lawn Lodge on Sunday mornings for breakfast. It looked shallow and weedy from the air, however it was pretty clear. I ride my bike past part of it when I do the Lake Geneva loop too. It's pretty. I really like Lake Geneva, and my friend has a cottage on the lake in Fontana. It's never choppy enough to be a concern, but the days when its smooth enough for good water sports are usually limited to mornings and evenings on week days. I can't ski any more due to some old injuries, but I like to watch others and dream that I could ski like them. It is just a dream though, I was never very good by the standards of this site. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 10:32am
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My sense is that many people's opposition has much less to do with his policies and much more to do with his manner of conducting himself as governor/leading the state. "Divide and conquer", "my way or the highway", "us vs. them"... I think that these all typify Walker's brand of politics, even more so than most. Matthew 7:16 "By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" I think this pretty much sums it up. No matter the outcome of today's election Wisconsin is a worse place today than it was not even two years ago because of everything that has happened. I've lived here for four, and I'd happily trade the pre-Walker atmosphere to the post-Walker, Republican governor or no. Sure, ideological opposites have "won" some battles, but I think that this is a war of attrition in which all Wisconsinites are losers. Pray such "leadership" doesn't come to your state. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 10:45am
John, where do you see this? Unemployment went UP last month. Job force participation is at its lowest since 1981 (Carter years). Real unemployment (those eligible to work) is over 15%. The previous months job gains were adjusted down by nearly half. Home values dropped again, and new factory orders were the lowest in six months. I think consumer confidence was down also. We have growth at 2% which maintains the economy at best fine if you have 5% unemployment but not so good if you have 15%. At this point in Regan's first term we were seeing 5-8% growth and millions of jobs being created. The stock market is doing OK for value but is very fragile and seeing low participation. If we maintain our current policy on taxing and spending we are five years away from having the same debt to GDP as Greece. Our military spending is down while China and Russia are seeing double digit increases. We are looking at being in a whole five years from now with social security and medicare rapidly going broke that we can not climb out of. This is before Baracks policies all go into effect at the first of the year (conveniently after the election) when we see the single largest tax increase in this nations history (expiration of Bush tax cuts and all the new Obama care increases). We always have an economy, so It is back to some form that it has seen before, but oit is not good. Too few people are participating which means too many are draining the system while too few are paying for it. That does not create recovery. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 10:53am
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Hansel....if it's all the rancor that has you bothered about what is going on in Wisconsin, I don't blame you. All that fighting would get really old. But, the left has brought that on because they can't stand that Walker has taken power away from the special interest, and returned it to the people. They are the ones that have done all the protests, and launched all the recalls. Now, while I haven't come up and done an audit myself, the reports are that Walker has erased a $3 Billion deficeit and created a $140 Million dollar surplus. He has created a better business climate in Wisconsin so people may have a better chance of getting a good job. Property taxes are coming down....for most, maybe not all. I guess what I am trying to say is......What's the problem?? How are things not better under Walker? |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 10:59am
John....Do you ride a motorcycle? If so, what do you ride? Wasn't sure if you meant bicycle or not. I usually rent a Harley in Woodstock, and ride up around Lake Geneva. Some beautiful areas to ride. I haven't ridden yet this year, but, I want to do the Hwy. 67 ride up through Eagle, and into Oconomowoc. Very scenic road. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 11:17am
Hansel, If you insert the name Obama for Walker and change state to country you will understand the frustration of those on the right. For that matter you could say Mark Dayton in Minnesota who vetoed voter registration after the Minnesota house and senate passed it with the support of over 70% of the residents, and tried to force private home day cares to be unionized by executive order. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 12:33pm
I guess it is chicken and egg; some think that the left "started it", some think that it was Walker. I would side with the latter because while the control of government swings this way and that, rarely do you see things rise to this level of outrage. The difference? Scott Walker. You know, I know a lot of people that got hurt by the bill. They're mad about it, yeah. But the thing that most of us are mad about is the manner in which the change was done; fast as possible, behind closed doors, without respect for the stakeholders... That is what gets me. A balanced budget is good, and I think he could have gotten it without pissing half the state off in the meantime if only he had moved slower and been more respectful. I believe that to the core. |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 12:36pm
Two things... 1. If you know what it feels like, then why do you support Walker? Wouldn't you be happier then with a more moderate Republican that manages to be conservative while at the same time a good leader? 2. I think that by any objective standard Obama isn't half the divisive politician that Scott Walker is. There are few who that rise to his level. |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 1:22pm
I ride a bicycle up there. I have sold most of my motorcycles, but still ride a Kawasaki KLR 600 up at the cottage. I also have a "thundering" 63 Honda C110 (sport 50) that I am nearly done restoring, and a 69 Honda SL90 basket case that is next in a year or two. Mrs B, who had lost any interest she once had in my motorcycles long ago, told me several weeks ago that she would like me to finish the C110 so she can ride it up at the cottage. She also mentioned finishing the SL90 so I could ride an old lemon squeezed with her. I guess that's next after the Mustang. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 1:25pm
I do feel that your geographical location may be influencing your opinion regarding "half the state".
We'll see what happens today. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 2:03pm
Do you believe there is a recovery "switch", that when flipped will erase all of the problems of the Bush/Republican lack of leadership? Look at the last 24 months. The economy as a whole has been recovering nicely. Remember, we still have to recover from the $2,000,000,000 to $3,000,000,000 that was wasted on funding the pointless wars, and was never included in the budget until Obama took office. The costs of treating the thousands of soldiers for the rest of their lives will run into the tens of billions at a minimum. Recovery from the worst depression since the 30s does not happen overnight. It comes in starts and fits, and there will be months where we slide a little. I'll take the last 24 months. If there was a god I would thank him for Obamacare. It's all in the name CARE. Take a tip from Canada! ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 3:04pm
It must only be my opinion then that the myriad of polls taken over the last few weeks are in the 50-50 range give or a take a few points. Either that or the definition of "half" has shifted on me. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/scott-walker-and-the-most-polarized-electorate-in-the-country/2012/04/04/gIQAaIBnvS_blog.html" rel="nofollow - Or maybe the results of recent exit polls are all wrong too. If my geographic location were influencing my opinion regarding how many people want Walker out of office I would have said something like "pissing 95% of the state off." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303918204577448313090640398.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" rel="nofollow - I think that this article pretty much sums up the state of affairs in WI at the moment. |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 3:31pm
| I am hearing a lot of reports of voter fraud, and intimidation. The left will stop at nothing to win this race. They want the unions back in control again, or put another way, the 85% working for the 15%. |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 4:00pm
I am hearing the same thing. When one of my friends from "up nort" went in and voted early last week he was told by the woman conducting the early voting to put his balot in an envelope and turn it in to her. He did so and asked what happens to it. The woman, a republican committee woman told him " I open them later and if its for the wrong person I throw it out" That, my friend, is a true story heard by several at the polling place. They know him from the small town and know that he and his wife are retired Wisconsin teachers. Very sad day for the USA ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 4:18pm
| Well, I am hearing radio reports indicating that lots of out of state cars/vans are shuttling people around to polling places from the inner city, and also Democrat "volunteer's" working nursing homes, and other facilities for the less fortunate and vulnerable to "help them vote". Hmmmm! Wonder which way their votes will get cast for them?? It sickens me! |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 5:04pm
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Yea, I had considered going up to provide transportation for registered voters who had no transportation to the polls. A lot of Illinoisans did so in an organized event. Many are homeowners in the land north of the cheddar curtain, unable to vote themselves because, although they pay taxes and are affected by this, cannot voth themselves. The organized transportation event does not ask voters which party they are aligned with. I was unable to do it this time. I will again in Indiana this November though. Michigan City in 08 was my turf!. It is always tragic when a registered voter is unable to cast their ballot because they have no transportation. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 5:23pm
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Yeah, pass off the Jon Doe. It's nothing. What the heck are you drinking. Use county and state money to do your campaigning and you see nothing wrong with that? Look south to your famous "Chicago style politics", not taken lightly. Not sure you understand the seriousness of yet to be announced charges. Apparent;y the charges are coming, except there is a little know election law that prohibits charges coming 6o days from the election, before or after. Come on, he will not even produce the letter from the DA, stating he is NOT the object of an investigation, which is required under federal law and Walkers team requested the letter. Hint, letter does not exist. I like your point about Barrtes wife. You do know she was a teacher, there was not "campaigning" in the emails, she was directly affected by walker, there were 3 emails, etc. Do your apples look like oranges too? Wisconsin is not doing well, come up and look around. We are open for business, except no one is coming. Those job numbers you posted, as well as the debt figures, have been proven over and over here to be false. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 5:55pm
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I was watching Gov. Walker on tv last night. Not sure you guys know this, but, he and his administration are the ones that asked for the John Doe investigation to start an ivestigation into some of his staffers that alledgedly stole some money from a wouned military personnel fund (or something to that effect). He said he was not getting cooperation from the staffers, so he had the John Doe investigation started. Also, sorry, just not buyig that things are worse in Wisconsin now than before. I know you want them to be. But, I don't believe it. Have you driven through Milwaukee lately? Man, parts of that town are horrible. Just goes to show you what happens when people become too dependant on government for their little bit of cheese to survive. Milwaukee is the 4th poorest city in the country. Look what happens when towns like Milwaukee and Detroit are run by liberals over a number of years. Disasterous! It will take Walker awhile, but, his reforms are starting to work! And the unions will have to pay a couple more percent toward thier own retirement and healthcare. Poor babies! |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 11:40pm
Nah, wrong again. Walker did NOT ask for the investigation. Where did you hear that other than the accused? The investigation came after months of "stonewalling" by Walker. Walker claims he was "Unwilling" or "unable" to complete the requests. Now he has spent $160,000 just to "co-operate". I bet he wishes he dropped the cash before the investigation started because then it would have all gone away. You ask me to drive in Milwaukee? Damn man, I go there once a week to the casino, and know the city very well. Milwaukee was run into the ground by Walker, and it has never came out of it. In fact they are still reaping the rewards of having Walker as county exec. Google it. Really you are still defending the guy? You can take it as a jwalking charge, but not even close to the same thing. If I was elected as county exec, set up campaigning in my office, used county workers to do said campaigning, set up a secret email network for unrestricted communications, hired convicts that stole from the veterans fund, and used this all in an attempt to campaign for Gov. Would you be upset? Get real, your ideology is clouding your vision. Ps; One of Walkers cronies has been charged with stealing from the veterans fund like you said. His boyfriend is now charged with child enticement resulting from a search in said investigation. Do you condone any of that? They are republicans and share your ideology. Still think that investigation is a witch hunt? 6 of walkers staff have no turned into witnesses with immunity. That cannot be good for walker. He also got rid of a womans right to sue for equal pay for equal work. All without any discussion just like the rest of the acts walker pushed. I value women, and that there is enough for me to not like the guy. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-05-2012 at 11:57pm
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Oh yeah, if ONE democrat wins in any of the other recall races today, the majority is ours, and Walker has a tough road ahead. Walker, if he wins and keeps the majority, he dodged a very large bullet. You better hope he can do the same against the law men. Jonb, love the sig line! ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 12:18am
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http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/walkers-office-stonewalled-da-inquiry-record-shows-t65kbql-156065645.html" rel="nofollow - JSonline Here you go, that is from Walkers pal. It's going to be a long night. Too close to call. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 12:20am
Of course I don't condone that IF true. But, I also probably wouldn't have my intern "puff on my cigar" while in the oval office either. What, now we convict a man for what his former employees alledgedly do? Stick to the KEY issues my good man! What's next, are we going to convict Gov. Walker because his dog groomers aunt's gardner's barber stole a pack of gum?? Remember, Big Picture....balanced budgets, lower taxes, higher employment, less regulation, better business climate. 
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Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 12:43am
I didn't know if anyone got it. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 12:51am
Key issues? I thought we were discussing the Jon Doe investigation. That investigation turned up the point I made. It's no witch hunt, and if you say it isn't important who Walker hires or hangs with, or that he isn't convicted yet, you are only fooling yourself. Walker threw them all under the bus anyway. They are getting no legal help from him and his large pockets. I like your last paragraph, they are all things Walker has failed to do Except for the less regulation. Did you know what his plans are for the deer hunters or the fisherman. Privatization. He wants less regulation except in my bedroom where he demands my wife bear each seed I spread. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 12:52am
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NBC just called it for Walker. Crap, I am headed to the rotunda again I can see. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 12:52am
| Nobody will get re elected doing what needs to be done, it's gonna be a long battle, but it needs to be done. |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 1:15am
Let's see, that was one very large order of lefty-lime Kool-Aid? OOW....you can't believe everything the left propagandists tells you. Just wait and see, life will go on as normal, and you will still be able to deer hunt just like always, and whatever the heck you are doing in your bedroom I am sure will continue unabated. So, my key question to you is....What got this whole recall election going in the first place? It was Walker's taking away union collective bargaining issues, and making union members pay a little more toward their own pensions and healthcare, correct? Then please tell me why these things were never mentioned during the whole recall election cycle? Heck, the lady that was the union candidate lost big to Barrett in the primary. You guys are now off onto the trail of John Doe, and are seething to throw Walker in prison. Why doesn't anybody even talk about the union issues that unleashed this whole firestorm? |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 1:28am
So how many times will the voters of Wisconsin have to voice their opinion before you are willing to listen? All the races are looking pretty solid, but at least your legislators can still throw a hissy fit and run out of the state when they can't get their way. What did Obama say? Elections have consequences? We are driving now and you will have to sit in the back? Walker saved your state. Say Thank you. If you really don't like him Minnesota will trade you Dayton and Franken even up. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 1:49am
dont forget to call Michael Mooreon....  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 2:26am
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Walker saved my state? Well, the Repubs won big here, all of the races. You can thank me later for the honest reporting.  Really though, I was sort of expecting this result. say what you may, only time will tell. Do you want me to say you were right? That is not the case, I really do believe strongly, and we will have to see where it leads us. I never doubted the election process, and I never said I cannot take the election results for what they are. Sorry that you have thought me that type. If anything, it is just the opposite, I wanted us to vote. That is what has happened, and I am proud of that. Would you really trade Franken? We will take him, even up, crap I'll give you a Walker and my left one, plus Fitzgerald and.. I gotta go. Walker is on..... ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 2:42am
And Dayton, Its a two for. I'll get the legal guys going on the paperwork. You can keep lefty, Wouldn't want to turn you into a "righty". ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 3:13am
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Don't know much about Dayton, sorry. I have enough to keep track of here. You'd have to take the Fitzs, he is free anyway, and you can't ever return him nor his brother. Wait, MN, is in much better shape than WI and you want to toss them? That doesn't make much sense for you unless you want it to be red no matter what. You would want this chaos for your state? ( besides the fact he is a rep., because we are not doing well) Thanks davidg for taking my side on that one, Milwaukee as an example. What a long 16 months. And 474 days left. What, you thought I would not know how many days left for Walker? This was a good thread, but in all honesty, I am probably out of it for awhile, if I can help it. I've got a new motor to lift into my hull in the morning, then the family is headed to Vegas again on Friday for 4 days. I took a beating last month, and the family is a game changer, I hope. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 3:25am
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You would like Dayton. Totally bought and paid for by the unions. He does not even try to hide it. Sorry to hear about your motor, but as I remember you were a little unsure about it from the beginning. It should give you good service for awhile now. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 3:42am
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Thanks! I have a thread about it I am working on updating. He was just bolting the oil pan on today, and it is supposed to be ready late morning. Might be getting it hot off the dyno. I am already proud of it and I haven't even got it here yet. If all goes well, it will see water Thursday. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 11:09am
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My favorite Quote of the evening from Wisconsin Democratic Party Chairman Mike Tate. "Some things are worth losing over." Huh?????? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 11:14am
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Next we'll hear that BO is happy he lost. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 11:21am
Translation = "yeah...... I got nothing." ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 11:24am
| Great that he won! I live in an equally as liberal area of the country and one thing the progressives seem to under estimate is the number of people that think differently from them. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 11:40am
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Last count was 54% to 45%! Lots different than the "real close" pre election poles. Of course those figures were coming from the hopeful liberals in places like Madison! Keep up the good work Scott. Get that 15% off our backs by getting them real jobs too. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 12:14pm
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I just heard on the radio a clip from CNN that interviewed a guy from Madison (Democrat) who broke down crying after the election saying "This is it! America as we know it is over". Sob, sob, sob! I say thank god for that. One thing for sure, it's an emotional issue. But, we have to straighten out this fiscal mess this country is in, and Scott Walker is the "Rock Star" who has it right. Barrack......Are you listening? |
Posted By: wingwrench
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 12:30pm
| The working class just bitch slapped the entitlement class. It's going to be a tough road for the slackers but like Mike Church said this morning, Life is tough, get a helmet. |
Posted By: wingwrench
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 1:15pm
I liked the part about them being outspent. Big Labor outspent by the Tea Party, love it. |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 2:06pm
It is odd that you think this because the $$$ trail to the Walker campaign would lead me to say something like, "The immensely wealthy just bitch slapped the working class." It will be sad to say "I told you so" when the Walker philosophy comes to your world and in due time strips you of all the things the government does for you that you never took the time to consider. Oh wait, that's right, you must not be in the "entitlement class." That is only for "those people", i.e. lazy people who take handouts. Not people that use Social Security, or Medicare, or collect unemployment, or veterans benefits, or disaster relief, or ... |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 2:10pm
Tea Party??? Really??? I don't think Walker had a $60 million war chest from folks like you and me. Unless by "Tea Party" you mean a few million here and there from the Koch brothers and others like him, plus some generous spending by the Republican Governor's Association. It is funny that people want money out of politics, unless the money is on their side. Doesn't make a lick of sense. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 3:16pm
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The emmensly wealthy or 1%ers dont have the voting power. This w as a working class vote. If we are following the money here is some homework. How much did the unions spend? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 4:03pm
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Most of you commenting have no stake in this election. As a Wisconsin homeowner, I do. I will wait and see what happens to my property tax in the next two years. So far, with Walker it has increased. I will keep an eye on property tax, boat registration, motorcycle and car registration, hunting and fishing licenses (although I am not a hunter or fisherman), gas tax, liquor tax, and other fees. I predict nothing but higher taxes for the working people and higher deficits. I hope it doesn't happen, but let's bring this topic up in Dec, 2013 and see where we stand. Toodles! ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 4:39pm
Wanna come live in ILL-inois? All the above have pretty much happened here, AND we still have record high deficit. What hasnt increased in prices the last 5 years? Raising fees and taxes... thats what the g.men think is the way to balance budgets. btw, My daughter and son-in-law live in M'waukee. They were pleased with the results. . ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 5:25pm
It's probably due to Barrett! Last time I checked I did live in Illinois. Ok, I checked again, I still do. I just own a home and pay taxes in Moo Town, I am not a resident. we have a pretty good business climate here. Good schools and more business than you care to name. Oh yes, and the Chicago metro area has 1 1/2 times as many residents as the entire state of Wisconsin. The voter turnout in the land of curds is estimated at 2.5 million. That's equal to a good size city. 8.5 million in the Chicago metro area. This photo says it all!http://www.CorrectCraftFan.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif A short list of big corporations; A.T. Kearney Bally Total Fitness Boeing CareerBuilder Chicago Board Options Exchange CME Group Chicago Stock Exchange Citadel LLC Classified Ventures CNA Financial (an affiliate of Loews Corporation) Diamond Management & Technology Consultants Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. Equity Office Properties Trust Exelon (ranked #134 on the 2010 Fortune 500 list) GATX Corporation General Growth Properties Groupon Hartmarx Hostway Hyatt Hotels Integrys Energy Group InterCall Jet Support Services, Inc. Jones Lang LaSalle Kerasotes Theatres Koval Distillery La Petite Academy Magnetar Capital Merisant Metal Management Midway Games MillerCoors Morningstar, Inc. Morton Salt National Stock Exchange Navigant Consulting, Inc. Navteq Northern Trust Old Republic International Orbitz Playboy Enterprises PTI Securities & Futures Quaker Oats Company, a unit of PepsiCo RR Donnelley (Ranked #240 on the 2010 Fortune 500 list) Ryerson, Inc. Skidmore, Owings and Merrill Smurfit-Stone Container (Ranked #374 on the 2010 Fortune 500 list) SSA Global Technologies SymphonyIRI Group Telephone and Data Systems Incorporated Tootsie Roll Industries TransUnion Tribune Company (Fortune 500) True Value UBid United Airlines (Corporate Offices) (Ranked #140 on the 2010 Fortune 500 list) Unitrin Inc (S&P 400 MidCap, S&P 1500 Super Comp) U.S. Cellular USG Corporation (Ranked #458 on the Fortune 500) Vivid Ascent Whittman-Hart Wilson Sporting Goods World Book Encyclopedia Wm. Wrigley Jr. Company [edit]Companies based within the greater metropolitan area The following companies are based in Chicago's suburbs: AAR Corporation (Wood Dale, Illinois) Abbott Laboratories (Abbott Park, Illinois) (Fortune 500) ACCO Brands (Lincolnshire, Illinois) Accuquote (Wheeling, Illinois) Ace Hardware (Oak Brook, Illinois) ACNielsen (Schaumburg, Illinois) Alberto-Culver (Melrose Park, Illinois) Allstate (Northbrook, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Andrew Corporation (Westchester, Illinois) Anixter International (Glenview, Illinois) Aquascape, Inc. (St. Charles, Illinois) Arthur J. Gallagher & Co. (Itasca, Illinois) Baxter International (Deerfield, Illinois) (Fortune 500) BFG Technologies (Lake Forest, Illinois) Blistex, Incorporated (Oak Brook, Illinois) Brunswick Corporation (Lake Forest, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Calamos Holdings LLC (Naperville, Illinois) Cancer Treatment Centers of America (Schaumburg, Illinois) Career Education Corporation (Hoffman Estates, Illinois) CDW (Vernon Hills, Illinois) (Ranked #376 on the Fortune 500) CF Industries (Deerfield, Illinois) Claire's (Hoffman Estates, Illinois) Colonial Ice Cream (St. Charles, Illinois) Corn Products International (Westchester, Illinois) Così (Deerfield, Illinois) Coskata, Inc. (Warrenville, Illinois) Crate and Barrel (Northbrook, Illinois) Culligan (Rosemont, Illinois) DeVry University (Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois) Discover Financial Services (Riverwoods, Illinois)(ranked #286 on the 2010 Fortune 500 list) Donlen Corporation (Northbrook, Illinois) Dover Corporation (Downers Grove, Illinois) Eby-Brown (Naperville, Illinois) Electro-Motive Diesel (McCook, Illinois) Experian (Schaumburg, Illinois) Farm Progress (St. Charles, Illinois) Fellowes, Inc. (Itasca, Illinois) First Alert (BRK Brands) (Aurora, Illinois) Follett Corporation (River Grove, Illinois) Fortune Brands (Jim Beam, Courvoisier, Titleist and many others) (Deerfield, Illinois) (Fortune 500) FSI Technologies (Lombard, Illinois) Gantec Corporation (Schaumburg, Illinois) Grant Thornton LLP (Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois) Griffith Laboratories (Alsip, Illinois) Haeger Potteries (East Dundee, Illinois) Hendrickson International (Lemont, Illinois; a subsidiary of The Boler Company (Itasca, Illinois)) Hewitt Associates (Lincolnshire, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Hospira (Lake Forest, Illinois) IDEX Corporation (Lake Forest, Illinois) Illinois Tool Works (Glenview, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Kraft Foods (Northfield, Illinois) McDonald's Corporation (Oak Brook, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Mead Johnson Nutrition (Glenview, Illinois) Medline Industries (Mundelein, Illinois) Molex (Lisle, Illinois) Motorola Solutions (Schaumburg, Illinois) Motorola Mobility (Libertyville, Illinois) Nalco Holding Company (Naperville, Illinois) Namco Cybertainment (Bensenville, Illinois; a subsidiary of Japan-based Namco) Navistar International (Warrenville, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Nicor (Naperville, Illinois) (S&P 500) NiSource (Merrillville, Indiana) (Fortune 500) Northfield Laboratories (Evanston, Illinois) Oberweis Dairy (North Aurora, Illinois) OfficeMax (Naperville, Illinois) Pabst Brewing Company (Woodridge, Illinois) Pactiv (Lake Forest, Illinois) Paylocity Corporation (Arlington Heights, Illinois) Peapod (Skokie, Illinois) The Pampered Chef (Addison, Illinois) Portillo's Restaurants (Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois) Quill Corporation (Lincolnshire, Illinois) Rand McNally (Skokie, Illinois), a subsidiary of Quebecor World Redbox Automated Retail, LLC (Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois) Sanford (Oak Brook, Illinois; a division of Newell Rubbermaid) Sara Lee Corporation (Downers Grove, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Sauer-Danfoss (Lincolnshire, Illinois) Sears Holdings Corporation (Hoffman Estates, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Serta (Hoffman Estates, Illinois) Shure (Niles, Illinois) SIRVA (Westmont, Illinois) Solo Cup Company (Lake Forest, Illinois) Stepan Company (Northfield, Illinois) TAP Pharmaceuticals (Lake Forest, Illinois) Tellabs (Naperville, Illinois) W.W. Grainger, Inc. (Lake Forest, Illinois) Tenneco (Lake Forest, IL) (Fortune 500) Trexim Corporation (Schaumburg, Illinois) Turtle Wax (Willowbrook, Illinois) Ulta (Bolingbrook, Illinois) Underwriters Laboratories (Northbrook, Illinois) United Airlines (Base of Operations) (Elk Grove Township) (Fortune 500) United Stationers (Deerfield, Illinois) (Fortune 500) U.S. Foodservice (Rosemont, Illinois) USRobotics (Schaumburg, Illinois) Van Kampen Investments (Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois) Vanee Foods (Berkeley, Illinois) Walgreens (Deerfield, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Weber-Stephen Products Co. (Palatine, Illinois) Westell (Aurora, Illinois) WMS Gaming (Waukegan, Illinois) World Dryer (Berkeley, Illinois; a subsidiary of Carrier Commercial Refrigeration) W. W. Grainger (Lake Forest, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Zebra Technologies (Vernon Hills, Illinois) Zenith Electronics (Lincolnshire, Illinois; a subsidiary of South Korea-based LG Electronics) [edit]Out of state and foreign companies with a major presence There are other large corporations in Chicago and/or its suburbs (but whose corporate headquarters are located elsewhere), including: ABN AMRO (Asset Management) Accenture (Chicago; Global headquarters: Dublin, Ireland) Acxiom (Downers Grove, Illinois) Affiliated Computer Services (ACS) (Schaumburg, Illinois) (Fortune 500) Ajinomoto (Ajinomoto Food Ingredients LLC & Ajinomoto Heartland LLC) (Chicago) AkzoNobel (Polymer Chemicals Unit) Alcatel-Lucent ALDI (U.S. headquarters: Batavia, Illinois) Amada Co (Amada Machine Tools America) (Schaumburg, Illinois) American Airlines (Hub at O'Hare International Airport). APL Logistics (Oak Brook, Illinois) Aon Corporation (Americas region headquarters: Chicago Loop) ArcelorMittal (U.S. headquarters: Chicago Loop; plants in Riverdale, Illinois, East Chicago, Indiana, and Burns Harbor, Indiana) Astellas Pharma (Deerfield, Illinois) AtCor Medical, Inc. (U.S. Headquarters: Itasca, Illinois) AT&T Bank of America Bank of Montreal (Harris Bankcorp, BMO Capital Markets) BMW of North America (Central Region Office) (Schaumburg, Illinois) BP (Warrenville and Naperville, Illinois; Whiting, Indiana) Bridgestone (Bridgestone Retail Operations, LLC) (Bloomingdale, Illinois) Butterball LLC (Naperville, Illinois) Canon USA (Itasca, Illinois) Cargill (Chicago; Hammond, Indiana) Caterpillar Inc. (Peoria, Illinois) Citgo (Lemont Refinery, Lemont, Illinois) ConAgra Foods (Naperville, Illinois) Continental Automotive Systems (Temic) (Deer Park, Illinois) CSX Transportation (Northern Region Operations Center) (Calumet City, Illinois) Dyson Appliances Limited (Dyson US) (Chicago) FANUC (Hoffman Estates, Illinois) Fitch Group Ford Motor Company (Chicago Assembly, Chicago Heights Stamping) Fujifilm (Fujifilm Medical) Hanover Park, Illinois) General Electric Goldman Sachs Huawei (Rolling Meadows, Illinois) HSBC Finance, a subsidiary of HSBC (Mettawa, Illinois) Hyundai Motor Company (Aurora, Illinois) IBM Ineos/Innovene (Chicago and Naperville, Illinois; Whiting, Indiana) JPMorgan Chase (See: Bank One Corporation) Makino (Elgin, Illinois) McKesson Corporation (Wheeling, Illinois) McGraw-Hill (Chicago Loop) Microsoft (Chicago Loop; Downers Grove, Illinois; Northlake, Illinois (data center)) Mintel Mitsubishi Electric (Mitsubishi Electric Automation, Inc.) (Vernon Hills, Illinois) Mitutoyo (Aurora, Illinois) Mori Seiki (U.S. headquarters: Hoffman Estates, Illinois) Navigon (Navigon Inc., Chicago) NEC (NEC Display Solutions) (Itasca, Illinois) Nielsen (Market Research) (Schaumburg and Chicago, Illinois) Nissan Motors (Aurora, Illinois (Nissan North America); Marengo, Illinois (Nissan Forklift)) Noritake (Arlington Heights, Illinois) Nortel (Schaumburg, Illinois) Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems (Rolling Meadows, Illinois) OMRON (Schaumburg, Bannockburn, St. Charles) Panasonic Corporation (Panasonic Factory Solutions Company of America) (Rolling Meadows & Buffalo Grove, Illinois) Paychex (Naperville, Illinois) Pearson Education, publishing as Scott Foresman (Glenview, Illinois) Popular, Inc. (Banco Popular North America) (Rosemont, Illinois) Rexam (Chicago, Buffalo Grove, Illinois) Ricardo plc (Burr Ridge, Illinois) Richelieu Foods (Elk Grove Village, Illinois) Robert Bosch Corp. (Broadview, Illinois (automotive aftermarket); Mount Prospect, Illinois (production tools); Hoffman Estates, Illinois (Bosch Rexroth)) Rockwell Automation (Burr Ridge, Illinois) SAP AG (Downers Grove, Illinois) Schneider Electric (Palatine, Illinois) Siemens Healthcare Diagnostics (U.S. headquarters: Deerfield, Illinois) Siemens Medical Solutions (Hoffman Estates, Illinois) Smithfield Foods (Armour-Eckrich Meats LLC) (Lisle and St. Charles, Illinois) Southwest Airlines (Chicago Midway International Airport) SSAB North America (Lisle, Illinois) STMicroelectronics (Schaumburg, Illinois) Subaru of America (Regional Office - Central) (Itasca, Illinois) Subaru Industrial Power Products (Robin) (Lake Zurich, Illinois) Sumitomo Corporation of America (Rosemont, Illinois) Takeda Pharmaceutical Company (U.S. headquarters: Deerfield, Illinois) Toshiba America (Arlington Heights; Buffalo Grove; Chicago Loop; Rolling Meadows) Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. (Aurora and Naperville, Illinois) Tyco International (Tyco Electrical & Metal Products) (Harvey, Illinois) UBS AG Unilever (Home & Personal Care North America) (Chicago) UPS (CACH) (Hodgkins, Illinois) UOP LLC, a subsidiary of Honeywell (Des Plaines, Illinois) U.S. Steel (Gary Works) (Gary, Indiana) Willis Group Holdings (Chicago Loop - Willis Tower, Schaumburg, Illinois) XL Capital (Chicago Loop, Schaumburg, Illinois) Yaskawa Electric Corporation (Waukegan, Illinois) ZF Friedrichshafen (Vernon Hills, Illinois) Zurich Financial Services (Schaumburg, Illinois) [edit] Wisconsin does make acceptable cheese products and has pretty little cows to look at. I like the lakes and forests too.  ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 5:58pm
john b , excuse me... one would assume you LIVED in WI. of coarse your location says.. The Cyberdock ... didnt realize that was in IL. (You love doing that, dont you.) What I read about IL business climate is http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/illinois-business-climate_n_1471790.html" rel="nofollow - not the best. ... of coarse there are two other states worse than us. btw, we have a whopping 15,000 in our town... Sometimes, its still too big. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 7:41pm
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I have family in Eau Claire; and all I'm sayin is-give the people the facts and a choice... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 8:28pm
No need to excuse yourself, I didn't make it clear. I listed the Cyberdock only because I split my time between a few places. About 4-5 months north of the cheddar curtain, 6 months in Chicago, and the rest spent between Victoria, BC, Canada, some time in Hilton Head each year, and a bit of FL thrown in. I now do all of my boating in WI, so I guess I really should list that as my location. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 9:22pm
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The unions really miscalculated on this. They wanted to punish walker, and make sure no politician ever went up against them again. Instead they gave the republicans a year and a half to refine and test their message right before a big election. They also blew a lot of money. If Romney doesn't jump on this band wagon he is crazy. It just goes to show what happens when you offer a true conservative alternative instead of offering up RINO's. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 11:19pm
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I wonder what the bar traffic is like in Dane county? It could go ether way?? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-06-2012 at 11:43pm
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John, Google companies leaving Illinois and you will find another long list. They all seem to site an inhospitable business climate. Look at Detroit for your future. That is what Walker just saved Wisconsin from (for the time being). ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-07-2012 at 2:29am
Absolutely Right!!!
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Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-07-2012 at 4:28am
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A friend of mine was trying to get me to take another look at Romney. He sent me some information that that I was not aware of. Maybe there is a reason to take a second look at him. His beliefs may be closer to mine that I first thought. Romney; 1. Supports a woman's right to choose ( abortion rights) 2. Supports gay rights. 3. Supports affirmative action requiring equal hiring and salary to women and minorities. 4. Designed the and implemented the original Obamacare. That is an eye opener, that and the fact that he and I share a 15% tax bracket! Maybe he is more like me than I thought! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI" rel="nofollow - Romney on abortion, gay rights, affirmative action ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-07-2012 at 8:44am
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ive been out of the loop lately, i see Romney on the tube, thats all i need to keep reminding me what a bloodsucker used car salesman professional politician that he is...thats all i need. his wife is programmed right there with him ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-07-2012 at 10:32am
John....Welcome aboard sir!!  We have a big tent over here! Come for the affirmative action, and healthcare and stay for the balanced budget, entitlement reform, and focus on controlling the national debt. I knew you would eventually come around. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-07-2012 at 11:01am
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I am with Dave, Glad to see you on board, But with 15 trillion in debt, and everything else going on in the world your hot button issue for the next election is gay rights??? That must explain something, but I am not sure I want to know what. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: June-07-2012 at 12:47pm
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Oh, I'm sorry, my mistake, that was the other Romney programmed for a MA election. I almost thought he meant what he said for a minute! LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL! ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: June-08-2012 at 2:34am
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John, Knowing how you feel about equal justice, what should happen to someone who gets into office by making false statements about their past and impugning those that try to reveal the truth? http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz#" rel="nofollow - Obamas third party past. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-10-2012 at 11:20am
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Had to bring this one back. John, I was re-reading some of your posts about how good things were with the high Illinois taxes as compared to Wisconsin. This week I read that the Chicago teachers are striking. Mayor Ron Emanual, former chief of staff for and current fund raiser for Obama (can you say double dip?)is putting his foot down. He is Ok with wage negotiations but is trying to limit health care increases and put in performance pay. Hmmm sounds very similar to Scott walkers goals. And yet I had to dig very deep to find the story, and I saw no recall or occupy efforts. Out of desperation to keep the kids off the streets the mayor has called on civic groups including CHURCHES to create day camps. What happened to the separation of church and state? No God in the classroom but a classroom from God is just fine when Emanuals butt is in the wringer. The other problem is feeding all the kids on food assistance. I guess things are not that great in Chicago. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-10-2012 at 12:12pm
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And, to add to this, I have been hearing reports over the past day or two that Wisconsin's reforms are starting to really kick in and have very positive financial results for the state of Wisconsin. As time allows, I will try to find an article and post it. Scott Walker rules!
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Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-10-2012 at 1:55pm
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Just to be clear on the subject. I believe that many churches and parishioners do wonderful and charitable work. Without churches and their programs many homeless people would have no food or place to sleep. Churches do so many good things for their communities that I won't even try to make a list. In addition, they give many members a sense of belonging and a value set that is important to them. I have no problem with the mention of god on government buildings or our currency, and I don't want to see them removed. This applies to all religions equally. I do not like to see churches become politically active and try to control government policy, be it the Catholic Church or the Nation of Islam or anyone else. I may not believe in god, but I do believe in the goodness in the hearts of many of the people who attend church. It is very hard to participate in a discussion about religion without offending someone. It is not my intent to do so. I love this site and the people on here. Please accept my apologies for anything that may have hurt your feelings. I was just trying to understand how others think about sensitive issues, while allowing them a glimpse of my beliefs. I would hope that the Maloon family would appreciate the diversity of those who enjoy their products, and the loving care and thousands of hours expended to restore and maintain them. These boats have provided many people with hours of pleasure, family time, and memories they will have for a lifetime. I will avoid the subject from now on because it has been the cause of grief among some of you, and I always remember that I am only a guest here. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |