1970 CC Torino questions.
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Topic: 1970 CC Torino questions.
Posted By: macsrpoop
Subject: 1970 CC Torino questions.
Date Posted: July-16-2012 at 5:06am
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Hey, I'm new to the site. My name is Brady and I hail from Newton, IA. Just picked up a 1970 CC Torino and I'm trying to get it sea-worthy again. It's been sitting for the better part of the decade so I'm working through the usual wiring and fuel issues. I have a few questions. -How do I change the oil? It's got a 302 and from what I understand I'm supposed to suck it up through the dipstick tube correct? -I need to flush out and drain the fuel tank. Are there provisions for that or am I going to have to be inventive? -What are guys using to supply water to the RWP? I don't care for the fake a lake idea. Can I just pull the suction hose, lay it in the bilge, flood the bilge and run it that way or is something like the fake a lake the only way to go? -Where can I find a RWP impeller for it? -How rare are these boats? I can't seem to find much information on them. I found a Ford 302/351 service manual from Pleasurecraft Marine. Is that what I've got? -How about the rudder and prop shaft stuffing boxes. Is there anything that needs to be done to them before it hits the water after sitting for so long? I'm new to boats so I'd appreciate some patience. Thanks in advance, can't wait to get it out on the water. Brady. |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-16-2012 at 9:06am
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Brady, Welcome to CCfan and CC ownership. Yes, you'll need to suck the oil out. There are several vac pumps that are available. They come with different size tubing so you can match the ID of your dip stick tube. There are no provisions for draining the tank. You'll need to siphon out the old or even pull the tank to drain it. For water, don't flood the bilge. Stick the suction hose to the RWP in a bucket and then keep water from the garden hose running filling the bucket. The alternate is to stick the garden hose directly into the suction hose of the RWP. Just be careful that you have enough water so the RWP doesn't overcome the supply. The draw back to this method is due to the pressure from the garden hose, you will not get a good indication that the RWP is working properly. Check out Jamestown distributing for the impeller. The model # of the RWP should be stamped on the machined surface of the body where the cover fits. If not, you'll need to go by dimensions. Jamestown will have a cross refference chart. You should have a Holman Moody engine that uses a crank driven RWP. We do not have a H/M manual in the reference section but one of or members may have one. However, the manual you did find will work. For the stuffing boxes, wait until it's in the water to see if they need tightening or repacking. Keep in mind you do need the prop shaft packing to drip some water. It's water lubricated. BTW, that hull is known to have bad issues with stringer rot. Have you done any checking on yours? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: July-16-2012 at 10:43am
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Brady - It's great to have another Iowan join CCF! Good luck on your new boat. Where are you going to use it? I am in Waterloo area. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-16-2012 at 2:22pm
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Welcome Brady. Here are a couple of pictures,I'm assuming you have a Holman Moody with a Jabsco pump.The cover pic is from my original and has the model numbers stamped in. The impeller is the replacement, it has a spline drive. I also have a HM owners/parts manual but it is very basic but if you have any questions just ask.   ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-16-2012 at 5:26pm
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I haven't checked the stringers yet. The floor and all of the visible wood appears to be solid. I'm new to the boating world, how do I go about checking them? I ordered some parts to get it running, should be here later this week but I'm 4-wheeling over the weekend so I doubt I'll have time to mess with it until next week. I plan on putting it in at Red Rock mostly, it's only about a 20 minute drive from home. I'll ask questions as they come up. Thanks guys! |
Posted By: turningpoint84
Date Posted: July-17-2012 at 4:22pm
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Macs, fyi, don't put the boat in gear out of water. ------------- Proud 1968 mustang owner and now http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6454&sort=&pagenum1" rel="nofollow - 1970 Mustang |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: July-18-2012 at 11:56am
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Welcome to CCFan! Please, we love pictures here... If you find the time, post some  ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-18-2012 at 4:34pm
| I can't seem to get the photo uploader to work. I'll have to host them somewhere and link to them. Bear with me. |
Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: July-18-2012 at 6:51pm
| Brady, Post some photos of the Torino !! |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 12:57am
| Anyone have any insight into why the uploader on this forum doesn't work? I've tried it feom my home computer and my phone. No-go either way. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 9:03am
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Brady, I don't know why you are having issues. It works for me but I use photobucket since it automatically resizes for me. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 11:04am
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What error message are you getting when you try? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 4:53pm
     Hopefully these work. |
Posted By: vondy
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 5:10pm
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I love those Torinos, wouldn't mind having one just for a cruising around boat. Jeff (connorssons) would be a wealth of knowledge I'm sure since he has like 40 separator/tornios. First thing everyone is going to tell you is to lose the rubber hose and filter between the fuel pump and carb. You need a hard line or USCG approved flex line. What you got is a fire hazard. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4645&sort=&pagenum=1 - 69 Mustang HM |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 5:30pm
| Yeah, the p.o. did some hokey stuff to it. Have parts to re-do the fuel delivery system. Should I be fine with just the mechanical fuel pump? The p.o. has an inline electric pump wired in before the mech pump and I don't know why. Presumably he's using it as a "booster" for whatever reason. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 5:35pm
David I wonder how it got away from Jeff?  Looks like an HM don't it? with some automotive changes? I can still see the heater outlet on the manifold. Brady can you post a picture looking down on the front of the engine. Looks in nice shape,you'll have a nice ride when done.------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: vondy
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 5:52pm
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Yeah Jeff let that one slip by didn't he HM.... well the valve covers look right. The thermo housing looks like mine except I can't tell if it has an HM on it. I don't know what that T is in the manifold hose. Manifolds are obviously not HM. Yeah a pic a little lower down would help. I just use a mechanical pump on mine. Don't know why you would have a mechanical and electric, sounds weird to me. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4645&sort=&pagenum=1 - 69 Mustang HM |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 6:15pm
| It needs a little fine-tuning. Delete some of the cobbled up BS and make it right again. Other than that it appears to be solid and usable. I do a lot of rock crawling which keeps me pretty busy, I haven't done anything with the boat at all this week. Maybe I'll get it back into the garage when I get back from wheeling Sunday. I've got a big box of stuff from Summit Racing to install. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 6:16pm
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Now that I look closer the lift plates on the heads are not HM ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 6:25pm
| With something this old that has changed hands a few times it's hard to tell what's been changed. I'm not after authenticity (sp?) as much as a good running, solid boat to take the family out on. It'd be nice to know more about the history though. The P.O. made a few changes but by and far, it's mechanically identical to the way it was when he bought it. As far as what the P.O. before him did, who knows right? |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 6:30pm
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The boat looks great but yes, you'll need some engine work. I'd get that electric fuel pump off and find out if the mechanical still works. T a pressure gauge into the line running to the carb and see what it puts out. Checking your stringers can be as simple as tapping them with a light hammer where ever you can. A dull sound will indicate the glass is coming off and most likely due to water intrusion/rot. Core samples can also be taken with a small hole saw. The hole saw itself will remove the glass so you can take a look at the wood while the pilot drill will remove wood deeper so you can take a look at it. Set the pilot bit real shallow since I believe your hull only has 3/4" ply for stingers. Actually they are starboard to port ribs forward of the engine. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 6:44pm
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1. Torino - WOW! 2. Solid Color - WOW! 3. Red - WOW! Pretty much sums up my opinions. Very Nice! ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: vondy
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 7:26pm
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There should be a tag on the engine stating if it's a HM. Does the front look like this with the water pump sitting in front of the balancer? http://www.flickr.com/photos/21103180@N02/5890286687/" rel="nofollow">  http://www.flickr.com/photos/21103180@N02/5890286687/" rel="nofollow - P1030084 by http://www.flickr.com/people/21103180@N02/" rel="nofollow - vondy21 , on Flickr ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4645&sort=&pagenum=1 - 69 Mustang HM |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 10:42pm
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The plumbing and valve covers look more like an interceptor to me. Cool boat! ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 10:47pm
I was thinking the same but having a hard time deciding. Look at the T stat housing - looks like a H/M??? What about those manifolds. I've never seen a set like them before. Have you? What ever, it's a mixed set of parts! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
TRBenj wrote:Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 11:29pm
| It kind of looked like a mixed bag to me as well, even with my limited knowledge. I only gave $700 for it so I can't ask for too much. It's definitely not unmolested. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 11:35pm
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Well for 700 you did good ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-19-2012 at 11:41pm
| It kind of looked like a mixed bag to me as well, even with my limited knowledge. I only gave $700 for it so I can't ask for too much. It's definitely not unmolested. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 12:20am
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The manifolds are aftermarket Barrs or oscos. The interceptor and hm stat housings are very similar. The telltale sign of an interceptor is the t'd off connection on the right. Where's the rwp? ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 12:53am
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Brady do you know if it has been painted or is that the gel coat? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 12:59am
| The rwp is on the starboard side. It has been painted. It appears that it was originally a pastel yellow color. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 9:09am
With the RWP on the side then Tim is correct that it's an Interceptor. The yellow color was almost the standard. Not too many other colors out there. A few white and one baby blue that I know of. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: vondy
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 2:03pm
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This is still my favorite Torino. One of my all time favorite CC's. Just has a classy look to it. I love what he did with the dash. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4428&title=finished-the-torino-today" rel="nofollow - Torino ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4645&sort=&pagenum=1 - 69 Mustang HM |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 3:14pm
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Yes, Scott did a great job with that one. Unfortunately he gave up working on boats for medical reasons and dropped off that site. That boat showed up on here a few years later (a couple years ago). A guy somewhere in NC picked it up and was asking about some motor issues. He didnt stay around long, either, unfortunately. I really like this red one tho. Really stands out. Did I read that right....$700? Another WOW. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: connorssons
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 6:18pm
Hello Guys! very cool boat, looks like the engine has had several mods give me a call if you have questions ive been working on these for some time now. at the moment i have 5 of these  269 506 1249 jeff
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Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 8:15pm
| Yeah, you read correctly $700. I got the "coworker" price. It's been sitting for six or seven years. The owner wanted it out of his morton building so he had more room for hay. We're in a drought in my neck of the woods right now so the price of hay is sky-rocketing because it's not growing any more. The trailer is a home-made booger-welded junker that'll need replaced sooner rather than later but the boat is really nice for the price. I figured I couldn't go wrong. Almost cheap enough to "flip" and make some money on it. I think I'll hang on to it though, it's got character. Connorssons, thanks for the support. I'll definitely give you a ring if I run into anything that stumps me. I'm handy with a wrench but I'd like to know more about the "interceptor" power package. Is there any information floating around out there? |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 9:00pm
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Get the MIG out and weld over the boogers!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 9:12pm
| It's not really worth saving. It'll do for now but I'll definitely be keeping my eyes peeled for something more suitable. The guy used what appears to be an Olds Toranado axle under it. It's laughable really. I do a lot of fab work at home and I'm prerty sure I could teach my 2 year old to lay a better bead than anything on this trailer. |
Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 2:38am
| Brady, you stole that for 700 bucks I like the red color, very very cool |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 2:42am
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It's also good that it has been inside for that long.You'll have fun with her,these things kinda grow on you. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-25-2012 at 8:17am
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Can anyone translate the USCG fuel line requirements for me? Can I run regular rubber line from the fuel filter to the pump then the USCG approved stuff from the pump to carb or do I need to plumb the whole thing with something special? It's making sounds suspiciously similar to internal combustion tonight so I'm ready to re-plumb the fuel system but want to make sure it's done correctly. Also, where do I get said USCG approved line. Thanks! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-25-2012 at 8:37am
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I always recommend hard line from the pump to the carb. Pre flared brake line is the way to go. On the low presure side I'd still go with A1 rated. Your local auto supply should have it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: July-25-2012 at 4:24pm
| Sounds good. Thanks! |
Posted By: macsrpoop
Date Posted: August-07-2012 at 8:56am
| Well, it's been a long few weeks but it finally ran on it's own tonight. Replaced all the guages except the speedo, re-wired the dash, ran new hard fuel lines along with a new fuel filter assy, pumped out the fuel tank and replaced the sending unit, converted to electronic ignition, installed my trusty Edelbrock 1405, fixed a bunch of electric problems and with a little coaxing it ran tonight. I didn't like how the voltage regulator, choke and coil were run off of one 14-ish gauge wire so I mounted a relay on the plate that holds the starter relay and ran everything through that. It's not charging, but has good oil pressure. Needs some tuning which I expected. I noticed that the trans was dragging a little which I assume is normal. Turned really slowly at idle, only ran for about 30 seconds. While it was turning I noticed that the prop shaft appears to be tweaked a little. Is there any way to straighten it? It's not bad, but I bet it'll vibrate. I'm pretty close to getting it on the water. I've got to get new seats/swivels installed and get the new CD player wired up and figure out why it's not charging. The stringers and foam around the tank are in pretty poor shape but they'll do for now. The engine and v-drive seem solid so I'm going to run it for now. The P.O. was a cobbling SOB. I spent more time cutting out garbage wiring than on anything else, it was a mess. I'm thinking of doing carpet while the seats are out. Any suggestions? The stuff that's in there smells like urine? I assume from rodents. |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: August-07-2012 at 9:49am
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This stuff sounds goofy but is great at getting rid of really bad urine smells. http://www.antiickypoo.com/" rel="nofollow - anti icky poo ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |