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Topic: Denver shooting ....
Posted By: MattB
Subject: Denver shooting ....
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 8:59am
 There really are some crazy people out there, makes me very sad that this kind of thing still happens when we have so many issues in the world. Are further restrictions on gun ownership the solution? probably not as when some nut job decides to do something like this a license or a piece of paper wont stop him. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492 I hope/pray that none of you guys are affected and send a prayer for anyone that is. Sad times. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6102" rel="nofollow - 2001 http://uksn2001.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - SN2001 Blog |
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Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 11:02am
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if only there had been a few or even one concealed carry person in that crowd maybe it could have been stopped. ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 11:14am
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Terrible tragedy, But peter beat me to it. I personally don't feel comfortable handling guns, but I feel more comfortable in the presence of those that do. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 11:30am
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Ya its nuts! A lady my wife works with, her sister was involved. Her boyfriend was killed and she was shot in the leg, she is in surgery now but they expect her to be ok. As much as I would like to think that if someone had a gun they could have stopped him, its probably unlikely. In a packed theatre full of panicking people running everywhere, unless he was in the first few rows he (or she) would have never gotten a decent shot. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Woj's 77
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 11:46am
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What a shame! What kind of person does this??? My prayers go out to all the injured and victims! ------------- Fastest Nautique in Indiana! Modify it, original is just ordinary! Bryan |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 11:59am
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It is sad, more of a crazy issue than a gun control issue.. although that is where we all want to go when we see things that are so crazy we cant comprehend them. A well trained and compentent person in the theater armed might have been able to limit the damage, but 10 gang members in the theater with pistols in thier belt might have turned a dark smoky theather into a night mare of cross fire where the shooting only stops once everyone is out of ammo. The reality is there is no amount of gun control, security, or arming of the people that will ever prevent a person that is not concerned about their own safety or future from being able to damage yours and this is just a sad and tragic event. All that can be done now is to ensure the offender is punished with prejudice and not rationalized or glorified. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 67425ks
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 12:49pm
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Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 1:04pm
+1 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
peter1234 wrote:Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 2:17pm
+2 ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 2:25pm
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I just read this guy had a bullet proof vest, gas mask, riot helmet, two pistols, a rifle and a shotgun. This guy was prepared for a war, someone with a pistol wouldnt have stood a chance. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 2:26pm
Might be right, but 5 guys with pistols have a better chance than 5 with fists. EDIT: Forgot to add, IMO ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 2:28pm
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ya you are right, maybe it would stun him long enough for someone to jump him. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: mrwillya
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 2:42pm
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If more people exercised their right to carry a firearm, I believe this could have been prevented. Now if only 3 or 4 people were carrying in a crowd of 200 (guesstimate) then it would have made little to no difference (depending on the seating of the CCW individual). But if a higher percentage of people carried (say 25%), the likely hood of someone sitting towards the front with a clear shot is greatly elevated. My other thought is, this guy may have thought twice about doing this if he knew that there were 50 armed individuals were sitting in there. I already have my CCW permit, but don't carry often. After this I'll be picking up my pocket pistol (Micro Eagle) and doing my part in being able to fight back with terrible people like this. |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 3:54pm
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some men just want to watch the world burn... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: yellowfever
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 4:36pm
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I live in Orange County Ca and I am retired law enforcement. I have a CCW that I keep active however most of the time I don't carry, I have become complacent. I stay current and proficient with my handgun shooting as part of the CCW renewal process. I could not agree more with Peter, this guy may have got a few rounds off but the carnage would not have continued had there been individuals in the show that were legally armed, trained and ready to respond when needed. Laws will not prevent these tragic incidents, taking guns away from the public is a very slippery slope ask any individuals that lived in Europe or England proceeding WW2... ------------- Chuck Merken 1977 Correct Craft Fish Nautique |
Posted By: sweet77
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 7:27pm
My thoughts exactly.  If everyone would carry a weapon NOT concealed out in the open cowardly thugs just might think twice before trying to grab someones purse or hi jack someones car. In reality if there were 5 patrons in that theater with the training needed to carry a firearm, This maniac would not have stood a chance. I carry everywhere i go, boating, to the movies, mall even to get a loaf of bread. http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/walmart-flash-mob-youtube-video-party-chaos-at-jacksonville-walmart-caught-on-video" rel="nofollow - THIS happened only a few miles from my house at a wal-mart my wife and i frequently visit. this news reporter makes light of this but what she didnt mention is the shots fired and the gun shot victim taken to the hospital with a gun shot wound. Im sure that these ignorant fools that made this ruckus would have less likely been apt to do this if there were more carriers. What will you do when they decide to come to your home instead of Wal mart------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5528&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 76 Nautique "If you do what you always did,You'll get what you always got!" "An empty wagon makes t |
Posted By: sweet77
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 7:31pm
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Btw watch the lower video from youtube. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5528&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 76 Nautique "If you do what you always did,You'll get what you always got!" "An empty wagon makes t |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 7:56pm
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You need a head shot on the guy, in some training I was in we simulated a hostage situation at 50 yards targets had a balloon taped by the head of the silouette, the balloon being the head of the hostage taker, with the object being a popped balloon with no holes in the poor hostage silouette. I stepped up and first shot of the .40 cal Glock 22 popped the balloon. Most of the other veteran LE officers fired multiple rounds never hitting the balloon, they "killed" the hostage, some shot 3 15 round mags and never hit the balloon. it would have taken a very good shot to drop the guy but in the commotion I think someone well trained might have been able to stop him. If someone wants to kill you they are going to do it because they know how and when its going to happen. Action beats reaction. Crazy folks will do crazy stuff, always have always will. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 9:08pm
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Sad, so sad. Theres a lot I'd like to say. Gun control - NO !!! A large scale CRIME gets our attn. but kids in Detroit or Chicago that die 1 at a time WE don't hear about. Just as sad. As a kid I grew up between Tiger Sta. and the bridge to Canada down town Detroit.(want a place) My BEST FRIEND'S Mother, Father and Sister were murdered when I was 21. Very, very sad. Someone with that kind of thinking can't be stopped. Guns were used this time, last time it was an airplane before that farm fertilizer. Sad so sad. I'm not really for the death penalty.-BUT-this dude needs to be fast tracked to his last heart beat. I don't have a problem flippin the switch. Sad so sad ! ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 10:09pm
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this story is the type of thing the media will persecute the gun owners . it is a tragedy for all involved but .. a person like this? he would have found a way to do this without a gun be it a gallon bucket of gas or other horrendous weapon.. I know people feel that a handgun carrier in that place could have either wounded him enough to only make him more out of his mind ( if that was possible) or that he was wearing a vest .(even a 38 spec will pause him long enough to get at him. i wish there were more people (good citizens) armed ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 10:10pm
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Senseless acts of violence are not prevented by "gun control" or more laws. They are far less likely to happen if people purchased more guns. If these nut cases knew that for a brief secound they could feel and hear a bullet rip through their head and that that bullet was provided by someone protecting themselves and their family they would think twice about .trying to pull this BS. Stop depending on a someone else to protect you and defend yourself and your families. We don't live in Mayberry anymore ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 10:16pm
50 yards! With a 3.5" barrel? Hell, I qualify expert and could seldom make that shot! They actually simulate that with service pistols? Hats off to you! ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: July-20-2012 at 10:37pm
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I think these people want to die, but want the noteriety of going down loud. They are just trying to make the headlines. The best way to stop this stuff is not to publicize it. Of course that is not going to happen, so there is no solution in site -other than the Florida self-protection law which is unfortunately in contest due to another jerk. I am going to think twice about being in large crowds for a while. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 10:33am
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its one thing to own a gun, its another to aim it on another human and pull the trigger, only 15% of vietnam vets could squeeze one off with a man in his sights, the rest was random shootings...if you ever watch clips, the gun is at their sides or they are just spraying....so chances are pretty damn good that if you are in a theater and you hear shooting, your hitting the floor and shaking and the gun will stay holstered.....I would bet money, there was at least 1 ccw in that audience, and he *************** his pants ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: mrwillya
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 11:10am
| Totally agree. Many people select pocket pistols as their carry. You'd have 6 or 7 rounds to try and take this guy down. You're not going to draw on someone from 200 feet away with a tiny .380 round. Then you throw the gas grenades into play. All around a bad situation. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 12:14pm
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you know what buck fever is? you guy's aint shootin nobody, this guy contemplated for months to get the balls to do this, anybody can carry a gun, but using it is a different story ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 12:21pm
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odds are in his favor so hit the ground lol, i really dont want to stand up in a theater with a guy that is outgunned than you and is already shooting people, and when you do stand to take the shot which you better be a damn good shooter, that you dont hesitate. it probably took him under 45 seconds to kill these people so time is also not on your side.... ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: mrwillya
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 1:46pm
Ever heard of trophy bucks that get mounted? People might get buck fever, but they can still perform. It's called training and preparation. I'd at least want the chance to defend myself and others if some moron tried to do this. I'd like to think that I'd be willing and able to perform if my life and my loved ones lives are on the line. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 2:47pm
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And we are leaving out the deterrent factor. If this little chicken $#!+ felt 3 or 4 people in that theater were likely to be armed he would not choose that target. Most theaters have that guns are prohibited on this premises sign. If I owned one I would consider a sign that read permitted conceal and carry is encouraged here. Why advertise that your patrons will be unarmed. It bad enough that they are corralled with minimal exits. Look at where these attacks take place, schools, universities, shopping malls, churches, now a theater. what are the common denominators? large groups, confined spaces, and advertised as unarmed. Which can most easily be changed? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 2:49pm
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I heard about the shootings via the headlines but that is about it. I've chosen to not read about all the doom and gloom because whats the point? What is it about Colorado that seems to bring out this senseless mass killings? Columbine, now this? I know it's just a coincidence but...... Very tragic and sad that this has happened yet again. I wonder if theaters will put the Kabash on fans coming dressed up in costume at Midnight showings to "prevent" this from happening again and how long will it take before someone files a lawsuit against the theater or makers of the movie for not preventing this from happening. You wait it'll happen. Tragic story indeed and my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, their families, and all those patrons who will be scarred for life. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 4:30pm
Already happened. 2 Major chains put a stop to it here in the Chicago area this morning. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 5:09pm
As someone who often carries a .380 or a .45... I can't agree more with Eric on this. An AR-15 with a 100 round magazine spitting out bullets traveling 4 times the speed of sound as fast as a crazy guy can pull the trigger. I'm cowering, hiding,covering up loved ones and hoping for the best. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 8:19pm
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Have I pulled on someone?..yes. Have I been shot at?..yes. If this guy wanted to die bad enough he would have shot himself or had the cops shoot him. No question if someone reacted with a side arm, he would have either hauled ass or at least taken his attention away from shooting innocents. If a couple of guys can muster the balls to take down some hijackers and save houndreds of lives with thier bare hands, I could only hope I could pull and squeeze a trigger especially if my or my family's life was in danger. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 9:29pm
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agreed ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: sweet77
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 10:10pm
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/surveillance-vid-shows-71-year-old-concealed-carry-holder-opening-fire-on-would-be-robbers/" rel="nofollow - THIS is a perfect example of concealed carry. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5528&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 76 Nautique "If you do what you always did,You'll get what you always got!" "An empty wagon makes t |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: July-21-2012 at 10:47pm
No Buck fever there. Out numbered and guned and he hit them both before they got off a shot. That is a crime deterrent. Big  ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-22-2012 at 10:23am
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you really need to be trained, not a 4 hour saturday afternoon shooting at targets, not to often do your hear of these situatuions were stalled by a guy with a CCW, the 72 year old up top may have had military training, or been a cop...im just saying the psych is not trained into you when you are getting the license to carry. to me its a novelty thing. sn, those guys had a little time to ponder and they new their outcome was death so we cant use that as an example, without success i may say, If you remember a few years back when those guys robbed that LA bank, they had all the gear and not much took them down, and they were surrounded by trained professionals with hand guns. PC said it best, be a hero and shield your family ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MattB
Date Posted: July-23-2012 at 8:41am
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Let us not forget that this was a horrible act committed by a total nut job that deserves all the torment that life can throw at him for the rest of his miserable days. The gun ownership and gun culture in the US is very very different from that of the UK but these senseless acts can and do happen the world over. Despite being brought up in the countryside where hunting/shooting is a normal part of daily life I have never and would never pick up a gun for any reason, I am not anti guns but they are just not for me. I don't believe in knee-jerk reactions for anything where laws are changed and further restrictions are imposed because there is no legislation for nut jobs, you guys that feel comfortable using and owning guns should be allowed to continue doing so as is your right. The tragedy is making the prime time headlines over here in the UK so I am sure everyone is sending their prayers to everyone affected. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6102" rel="nofollow - 2001 http://uksn2001.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - SN2001 Blog |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: July-24-2012 at 1:54am
Absolutely not. This has nothing to do with icky guns and everything to do with an unstable person. The biggest cities in the country have some of the most strict gun laws and the worst crime. . People do this crap because it makes the news and they gain world wide attention. Personally, i think it should be mandatory for everyone who can legally own a gun to have one for home defense and they should be trained to use it. People who are uncomfortable around guns are so because they have never been properly introduced to them. There is zero reason for anyone to be afraid of guns or responsible gun owners. The only way crime will decrease is if the criminals are the one's who are afraid. My 14 yo son and 13 yo daughter love to shoot. I took my kids and 2 Spanish exchange students shooting yesterday. We shot pistols, rifles & shotguns. We spent a half hour straight just doing mag dumps with an Ar-15. Do I need a high capacity military style rifle? Nope. But it sure is fun to shoot, and I really don't need the govt to tell me that I'm not responsible enough to have it. The kids had a great time and said it was one of the highlights of their month long stay. You'll probably never see their smiling faces on the news though, cause the news doesnt want it if they cant spin it into some nightmare. My condolences & prayers to the families and everyone affected by this senseless tragedy. Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: July-24-2012 at 6:36am
Well spoken Mike! I'm with you on this. Belgium has enormous gun restrictions. The basic rule is: we are not allowed to have a gun... Getting a permit is very hard. And when you get a permit, it is only to be able to own a gun, tranport it to your gun club (ammo and weapon in seperate cases) where you must be member in order to get your permit. Or you must be certified member of a hunting club in order to own a hunting rifle. In my VERY VERY humble opinion is that they weakened the reponsible law obiding citizens and strengthen the criminals in this country... But hey, that's just me  ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: MattB
Date Posted: July-24-2012 at 8:03am
Please don't misquote me or short quote me  ... (I'm going to be more careful with my words and punctuation next time)The full quote
You can also quote me as typing....
I believe that some laws in society are needed but new legislation should always be introduced with very careful consultation, responsible people are perfectly able to legislate themselves without some politician creating a new law for them. Too many laws can restrict the lives of responsible people and that in my opinion is not a good thing as it leads to unrest (not related to this story or gun law, but too many laws and the feeling of being persecuted was one of the contributing factors behind the riots in the UK last year) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6102" rel="nofollow - 2001 http://uksn2001.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - SN2001 Blog |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: July-24-2012 at 11:06am
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I apologize Matt if you thought my post was directed towards you. I understand perfectly what you typed and was not trying to misquote anything. I " short quoted" your statement because that was the part of the statement that i was addressing. My intention was to answer, IMO, that part of your statement, not to seperate it from the rest of your post and make it look like you intended it to have a different meaning. I am curious tho, you stated above that you have never and will never pick up a gun as they "are not for you". If you dont mind me asking, I'm wondering how you can make a statement like that based on zero experience. I could see your point if you had shot a weapon and didn't enjoy it, but thats like saying wakesurfing is not for you if you have never tried it. Not trying to be nosey, just curious and if that feeling is based on a previous tragedy in your life I understand if you dont feel the need to explain. Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: MattB
Date Posted: July-24-2012 at 1:15pm
No offense taken..its gonna take a lot more than that to offend me 
Ooooh..how to answer that.... Nobody is ever going to die from `anyone` picking up a wakesurf! Perhaps my "Never" was a little strong.... I would like to think when it came to protecting loved ones I would have the balls to defend them if it involved picking up a gun to do so, I can only pray that it will never happen and I will never be put into such a dreadful situation. Do I have any interest in picking up a gun for sport, nope absolutely zero. Would I pick up a gun to shoot an animal if I needed to eat, yup I probably would, I have always been a meat eater and I don't believe in "sugar coating" where our food comes from (Bambi does taste very nice) and the thought of going vegetarian gives me the shivers. Nope guns are not for me not through any tragedy in my life, but I respect peoples choice to have and use them. If some of you guys wish to carry concealed guns that is your choice just make sure they stay concealed please, a gunfight against a heavily armed and very unhinged individual only ends in sadness for everyone involved. I am definitely one for being open and trying anything life has to offer but guns are for some reason totally off my list (there are a few other things on my no go list but they are for a totally different conversation ).------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6102" rel="nofollow - 2001 http://uksn2001.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - SN2001 Blog |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: July-24-2012 at 10:50pm
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A gunsmith and firearms dealer once told me that an "armed society is a polite society." I grew up 45 minutes south of Boston. I've had a car I was riding in shot at because we had no money when someone tried to hold us up. I had a childhood friend killed execution style after being car jacked by a 16 year old. I've witnessed drive by shootings. All of this in a liberal state that has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. All of these things coming from illegal weapons. I've also known a guy that got the crap kicked out of him by a bouncer, who happened to be the father of his ex's child. He went to this guy's place of business(a strip bar) killed the guy, his manager, took everyone hostage, shot up a police car then committed suicide. All because of jealousy and insecurity. This was done with a legal weapon he jumped through hoops to own. I feel that too much restriction creates a void in the ranks of gun owners. Only criminals and those willing to commit lots of time and money into being "qualified" to own one. Now I live in Vermont, another very liberal state, where gun ownership is much less restrictive. Anyone who can legally own a pistol can carry it concealed. You never hear of random shootings, car jacking, hostage situations or the like. Someone who pulls a gun around here has no idea who else around them is carrying. Now does this kind of thing work everywhere in the country? No way, but that is why firearm ownership should be controlled at a state level and minimally at the federal level. What works here in rural Vermont won't work everywhere but it should be for the people living wherever they happen to live to decide! ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |