Help! prop shaft hard to turn.
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Topic: Help! prop shaft hard to turn.
Posted By: jo-e90
Subject: Help! prop shaft hard to turn.
Date Posted: July-30-2012 at 11:16pm
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In what order and steps do you take to locate why the prop shaft is hard to turn? What is the easiest and least expensive thing to check first? Second? Third? Fourth? Or maybe its, what is the most likely cause? I would like to get out on the water! So let's just stick to this one thread for now. ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-30-2012 at 11:59pm
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Did you lubricate the cutlass bearing in the strut first? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-30-2012 at 11:59pm
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Didn't I ask you about the alignment and provide you a link to the alignment video? Check your previous posts and my responses. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 12:08am
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Joe - From what you have said, I bet you have a bent strut. Look at the back of the boat from about 10 feet back - is the prop centered with the rudder & fins? You can also measure from each chine in to the strut. Certainly pull the couplings loose & see where the shaft wants to be when it loosens up. Gary - He can't hardly turn it when the boat is in the water. It is bound up! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: baitkiller
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 12:11am
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Saying I told you so is considered boorish and bad manners. Something is bent or crooked or rotten or out of alignment or any or all or a combination of all the above. The fastest and easiest way is to get somebody who knows what they are looking at to have a gander then fix it. If speed is the major concern, then money must by default be secondary. Follow his link for the alignment 101 production for a start anyway. I guess, better than nothing. Hard to align a bent strut or shaft though. As they say in Main: hard tellin' not knowin' ------------- Jesus was a bare-footer............. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 12:13am
Our water is so low that even when the boats in it's dry  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
SNobsessed wrote:Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 12:31am
where is the coupling and how do you take it apart? ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 12:46am
OK, now what? ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 12:54am
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Joe - the coupling is at the rear of the transmission, where the shaft ends. You need to remove the 4 screws. The halves may be stuck together - if so use a putty knife or similar & tap with hammer to separate them. You can also put some penetrating oil on the joint. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 1:29am
The rudder stuffing box looks ok!  ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 7:58am
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21279&title=shaft-strut-alignment-video" rel="nofollow - Alignment 101 video ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 9:56am
Not as much as internet man-codling ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 4:24pm
finally got the coupling loose with an air chisel. Transmission side spins smooth. Shaft side of coupling turns just as hard as before, so I assume the motor does not need adjustment. Should I remove the packing nut now?   ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 4:31pm
 ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 4:38pm
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The coupling face must be flat. Be sure the air tool didn't alter that. You have isolated the problem; it's between the coupler and shaft as you noted. Now you have to go through the components therein and further isolate the problem. Did you sight the running gear like Chris said? I say that because of the coupler position in the pic. Also, do I see an old shaft-coupler position on the shaft? It may be a poster child for fretting? Have you made friends with the search feature yet? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 4:45pm
Yup, there sure is a problem with that coupling! I can see the rust color smut from it fretting. The way that shaft pulled sideways, I'd bet money on a bent strut. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 4:50pm
Thus the sighting comment. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 5:05pm
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Joe, since people feel it is most likely the bent strut, take it loose and see how the shaft acts in just the log. There are four bolts in the bilge between the log and the rudder. based on the way the shaft is sitting it is probably bent to starboard. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:06pm
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Considering the fretting at the coupling to prop shaft, the heat shrink fit is shot. Since you may not have been doing searches to find previous stated info, I'd like to remind you the this heat shrink fit is .000" to a -.0005". If the shaft is still good, you will at least need a new coupling half for it. Have it bored to match the shaft. Then, it's pressed onto the shaft, the shaft is chucked up in the lathe and a light cut is taken on the coupling face. This ensures the face runs true with the shaft. The alternate is to purchase the ARE shaft system. It makes the R&R LOTS easier!! If you go this route, give Billy or Karen a call for the ARE. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:10pm
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Exactly. The shaft might be trying to go even further to port, and is blocked by the log or hull! Strut needs to come out. And, the engine always needs adjustment! But thats last. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Munday
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:15pm
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I didn't see it mentioned, I would first roll the shaft to see if the coupler moved arounf if the struts bent the shaft probably is too. Munday ------------- If the only tool you have is a hammer,everything starts to look like a nail. |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:18pm
Who are Billy and Karen? ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:22pm
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boat dr / boat nurse, also your best friends. HAHA mynautiqueparts.com ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:23pm
Hopefully the trans is still OK. Time will tell when you get the boat back on the water. That's a BIG misalignment for the tail end of the trans to handle. If you are lucky, the boat wasn't run for very long with the condition. Don't assume the engine is where it should be. You will know when you get the shaft and strut taken care of. Yes, as mentioned many times in previous threads as well as in the alignment 101 video, Alignment starts at the strut. The trans spinning smooth is NOT an indication of it's condition. Without the engine running and driving the pump to build hydraulic pressure, neither of the clutch packs are engaged. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:23pm
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Billy aka the boat doctor is a regular here and Karen his wife the boat nurse own http://www.mycorrectcraftparts.com/" rel="nofollow - this . ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:26pm
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D/N.G. We are trying our best here to steer you in the correct direction. However, through all your posts and our answers, I have gotten the feeling you are not listening nor reading. Sorry!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:29pm
Come on Justin!!!  http://www.mycorrectcraftparts.com/" rel="nofollow - Even though Gary posted the link, here it is again ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:48pm
I wasnt trying to post a link more of an informative statement, figured he could type that into google or something ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 6:54pm
Well, as mentioned, he does have some issues with reading and following directions! It's cool. I understood what you were doing but I'm not sure if he picked up on it??? With 2 links to Billy and Karen, I hope we made it easy?------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 7:13pm
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Do not use the air chisel on the strut, in fact don't use it on the boat ever again! (unless directed by CCF) ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 7:29pm
Once again he did not follow our advice!! 
D/N.G. Have you ever heard the phrase about a loose cannon ball on a ships deck? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 7:58pm
I listened and rolled the shaft and there was no variation in the misalignment. ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 8:05pm
You need to align the shaft, strut and engine first!! Are you just going by eye? Did you even bother looking at the video? Do you know what a feeler gauge is? How about using a dial indicator but to use it, you need the alignment first. What about the strut? How many times have we asked you about it? I'm again sorry but you are on your own with the boat GET HELP on site!!!!!! Yes, My patience is getting VERY thin!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 8:12pm
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I dont have a dial indicator. ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 8:16pm
Yes, you have a problem. Get the damn shaft out and take it to a machine shop so they can check how straight it is. What about the strut that we have asked about so many times?? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 8:19pm
I am listening and trying to take the strut loose. How loose and what do I look for? Thanks for your patience. ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 8:30pm
Again, get some help with someone that can give you direct instructions looking at you boat. I really question if we can verbally do it anymore since you just do not seem to be "grasping" the concept. Did you watch the alignment video or not? Pictures of the strut??? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 8:32pm
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At 10inches the strut is obviously bent to starboard.Does that mean the shaft might still be ok? Can a machine shop usually fix the strut? If so, should the bearings be replaced? ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 8:49pm
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It might but you have no way to tell,you'll have to pull it out and have it checked.And you'll have to pull the strut and have it fixxed and a new cutlass bearing put in while it's out. A good prop shop can repair the strut and put in the new bearing.The shaft will have to go to a machine shop to be checked. You should have looked under the boat before you bought it and used that to your advantage on price negotiation ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 9:07pm
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First, I'm not trying to make fun of your skills. bent strut, remove it. gonna need it straightened or a new one. take out shaft, remove it. take to machine shop to have checked for straightness. jo, I'm pretty sure nobody here ever in a million years thought you would use an air chisel to separate the coupling. I'm not sure we can make a list of the tools you should not use. But in general stick to simple hand tools. Use patience and "feel" with the hand tools to avoid gauging, stripping, breaking, or otherwise wrecking whatever you are trying to fix.(Did you try penetrating oil? putty knife, hammer? as suggested) Some of this repair is going to cost some money. You could pay someone to do it. You may cost yourself more by learning while you go. If you pay close attention to the advise here you can probably get through it. Heck I'm pretty sure that if you had a baby that needed a circumcision during a flight where the pilot dies these guys could talk you through the operation and land the plane as long as you follow directions. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 9:09pm
Even with all his searching and all our advice, somehow the bent strut was overlooked. Wow, I wonder how that happened? Am I going to have to get Chris (79) back to the site to straighten things out here? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 9:29pm
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There is a reason that will take too long to explain but the short of it was Chris said it had to be about 10ft away which was not possible from where the boat is blocked in, so I thought later that I would try to look at it 10 inches away instead of 10 ft. (figuring I had to take it apart inside anyway, I started there) and see if I could tell if it was bent and it was by just going with my eye, so we all learned something about 10ft. which may be the best distance but was not for my situation. Anyway, getting closer to getting on the water. What is the proper way to get the shaft coupling off? http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/search_results_posts.asp?SearchID=20120731183012&KW=remove+shaft+coupling" rel="nofollow - THis is all that I could find in a search ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: LilRichard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 9:38pm
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Gents, New guy here - brief background, been around boats all my life, had a MC for a decade. Recently did a ground up resto on a '71 Aquasport for my saltwater rig... And can follow directions well... Lol. Looking at a 95 SN I'm planning to purchase. Exhibits similar symptoms as described here. I did not get to look at strut alignment when I looked at the boat, but certainly will. Boat was on dry land, hoping it may just be a dry bearing. Due to sea trial it when I am back I town in a week. So a few questions: - assuming worst case that there may be an alignment issue, is it even advisable to sea trial? - i have used the search feature, but have not seen a comprehensive list of parts costs... Could someone pls point me in the right direction? IE, strut cost, shaft cost, cutlass bearing cost, etc. hopefully I can form up an estimate to repair (should it need repair) prior to purchase. Sorry for any typos, on an iPad on a plane. Thanks in advance! Rick |
Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 9:39pm
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wow. I don't think I've ever recommended anyone buy a Bayliner but..... Why wouldn't you have looked at the strut BEFORE you started disassembling things?...with air tools? You need to get your boat to a marine mechanic before you do any further damage. ------------- '02 Ski Nautique 196 w/ 5.7 Apex bowtie - Sold '87 Barefoot - sold '97 Super Sport Nautique - originally custom built for Walt Meloon '97 Ski Nautique '83 SN 2001 |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 9:53pm
No hijackers yet, please ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 9:58pm
Whether it's 10 feet or 10 inches, it does not matter. You are just not catching onto the concept and the reason I suggested as well as others of getting outside help. The strut is F**cked up!!! Why didn't you catch on???? BTW, your link does not work. Yes, sell the CC and buy a Bayliner. You got screwed due to your not listening to us. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 10:01pm
BTW, I do not know why I continue to answer your questions? I must be stupid!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 10:04pm
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I apologize for the frustration and not listening but thought I needed the 10ft. which I didnt have. My big mistake. Lets work toward the solution. What is the proper way to get the shaft coupling off? ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 10:13pm
Since it's so fretted, it most likely will not be to much of a problem however, you may want to again use the search feature as suggested so many times.  Use "spacer trick and long bolt" as key words. I honestly can not believe you haven't explored the site!! Now, I'm definitely going to get it touch with Chris (79) i'll probably need to talk to Keith so he can allow him back on site. he, I believe can get you straightened out.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 10:14pm
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LilRichard, Welcome, If I were you I'd start my own thread, post pictures, and reference this thread for your symptoms. I'd also spend some time using the search feature to get info because its here...the info you need. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: LilRichard
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 10:17pm
| Will do... Figured it was nearly the identical topic... |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 10:50pm
I tried it and got this http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/search_results_posts.asp?SearchID=20120731194828&KW=spacer+trick+and+long+bolt" rel="nofollow - LINK ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: July-31-2012 at 11:47pm
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Joe, you are in for a fair bit of work. Taking that coupling off is a pain. Put a large socket between the couplings. Buy 4 long bolts, nuts, and washers to eqaully put around the coupler holes. Tighten in sequence a little at a time. You need to understand this..... Go any further than where you are now, you need to fix all the problems correctly. After taking the coupler off, you are not going to want to do it again because you did not know any better. When you find a crack somewhere, fix it now the right way. Oh yeah,it's going to cost you a bit, too. It's really likely you might find a huge mess where many parts need replacement. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 12:01am
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Air tools not in a boat? You must be nuts, but I'd weld in mine too. If I had to. Not sure if I'd have used it there for the spliting action so much as the vibration and not on the trans side coupler. I'd have wet the cutlass or removed the strut, maybe lessened and wetted the stuffing box if it wouldn't have split. I'm no engineer though. His coupler is shot anyway. I use my air chisel to get races out damage free in seconds too. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 12:07am
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Joe, take a look at this http://www.skidim.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - link along with the pictures it is similar to yours and should help you sort this out. Remove the coupler, remove the shaft. unbolt the strut and remove. Then bring it all to a prop repair shop and let them tell you what can be repaired and what needs to be replaced. This part is fairly simple so just pull it apart and get it to a profesional. Then when you have all the parts you need to put it back together post again and we'll walk you through it. If you just can't get the coupler off I advise a sawzall and cut the shaft off, I think with that bent strut and the fretted shaft end you will be better off with new shaft and coupler anyway. The strut should be able to be straightened. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 12:08am
Seth, Not if it's fretted. Read!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 12:23am
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another article with some photos, again not exactly as yours but you should get the idea what they are trying to do with teh bolts and socket. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal" rel="nofollow - link As Pete is aluding to, the coupler may come off pretty easy because the shaft end is fretted (worn) ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 4:00am
Yeah, that is what I mean. Alot of work. He is putting a new coupler on, a new shaft in, repairing the strut or replacing it, aligning it all again. Might as well toss in new packing too, as well as R&R the prop and the cutlass bearing. I understand the shaft might be saveable to some, not for me. Once the coupler is off, there is alot of work left. That is all. I know all to well my friend, anyway you slice it, I was trying to get Joe the idea he should take the advice given to him here, then learn all you can and do the job correctly the first time. I don't care if the ARE shaft is tapered in both ends, going back in there to fix something else again sucks, especially if it is warm out. And sawzawing the shaft might not be a walk in the park either. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:35am
Lennox bi metal blades and plenty of Anchor lube. 5 minutes tops. The SS will cut like butter. You must be buying cheap blades.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 9:14am
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I have to ask, why did you remove the pictures of the bent strut? Others following your problem would benefit. Post them again. Considering what this thread has revealed, you could not be more embarrassed by posting the pictures again! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 11:12am
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This really isnt as hard is it may sound. In petes video he uses the visuals which helps explain it. But obviously you have three points of contact, transmission, log and strut. If anyone is misaligned or the shaft is bent you will have trouble and it will bind. So you relieved the end on the tranny and the shaft shifted way to the left, so that means either really bent shaft of bent strut. In your case maybe some of both. The strut can be straightened, mine was slightly tweeked. The shaft might be ok but if not the a.r.e. system is a huge upgrade, I love mine. At this point if you take it to a "marine" place they will probably charge you in labor what you could just replace with new parts. Maybe. Dont kick yourself for this, you cant check everything when you are buying something used, its just the way life is. Thats why used stuff is cheaper than new, this kind of risk is priced into the market. Have you always done everything right up to this point in your life? I would say no. You will probably screw something up but thats ok, just relax and try again. Chances are you wont make the same mistake twice. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 1:16pm
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My boat came with bent strut. I was clueless on what to look for & anxious to get an inboard. I would have been nice to know about to get a price break, but not sure seller would have bit on it since it was a sellers market. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 5:12pm
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The strut is bent 1-3/16" starboard. I know it can be fixed but that is really wacked out as the bottom is twisted too. So dont take the coupling off and just replace the strut? Is $320 the cheapest price for an S-19 Strut? Is this normal with the keyway sticking out?  ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 5:30pm
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You really are a good sport about this Joe. But it really has to come all apart, really, we're not joking!  ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: mark c
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 5:32pm
| No, the end of the shaft should be flush with the end of the coupling, the shaft has started to walk out of the coupling, by being run while it was out of alignment. Think how far ahead of the game you are in getting the couling off, should be a breeze now as your halfway there. |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 5:34pm
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no that is not normal, they key way should not be like that. You can find struts on the site here gently used for much cheaper. If someone hit something that hard to bend the strut chances are the shaft is bent too. Get a new or gently used strut, new a.r.e shaft and repack the strut log. Then set the alignment and you will be ready for hours on the water. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 5:38pm
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http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SEF-S-19" rel="nofollow - 280 after 10% off ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 5:57pm
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Jo, that rusty colored powder is an indicator of trouble- it's smut from the fretting of the shaft and coupler and key all moving, rubbing each other from the bent shaft/strut. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 6:05pm
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Joe, You are going to determine if that shaft is straight somehow. Get the coupler off. It is fretted, keyway is suspect, likely bent. It along with the coupler are junk. Cut it off if you want. Buy new shaft and coupler. When new strut, cutlass, shaft, coupler, packing rope, tube of 5200 etc show up, chime back in. While you are waiting for the new parts, check that boat over. That PO sounds like a douche and no telling what he's not telling. I never did see the pics of a bent strut? You are going to have to learn about this boat. You found it, now it's time to read. Lots. I went though a bunch of things on mine, and at first I thought about letting the marinas around here do some of the work I could not do or did not understand. My engine guy was great but every marina I talked with was comprised of idiots. Many times I knew I was talking to someone who had no idea what I was talking about, sometimes they even told me so. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 7:10pm
Here ya go...     ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 7:12pm
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yikes ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 7:20pm
Billy says dont use the socket and long bolt method to remove the shaft coupling or you will ruin it. So I am holding off on removing the coupler for now for fear of ruining it on removal. I think he wants to sell me an A.R.E.but I am way over budget hum ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 7:32pm
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WOW that´s a nice bent! that bent is visible from 10 inches away or less IMHO. I have used the socket and long bolt method several times, never had any troubles, in fact I learned it here from reputable members! hummm.. Anyway I would buy the ARE shaft system, its easier to service it. Shrink fit sound really PITA. A complete ARE with the coupler will run around 300-400... the shaft bearing around 60 a new strut if you need it around 300-350... I have a local made ARE shaft (dual taper) and works like a charm. ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 7:39pm
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D/N.G., Once again I need to remind you that reading ALL our answers is key to this repair. It seems you have ignored the fretting comments, the coupling heat shrink fit as well as the coupling walking off the shaft. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 7:44pm
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I had seen the socket and bolt method later require the coupler and output flange requiring removal and true-up, there is no way to align after they warp. So don't be an animal on the bolts. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 7:46pm
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I highly recommend you start at the beginning of this thread and read through it several times trying not to let your ADD get in the way. How did you miss that bent strut when you inspected the boat? Did you think it was supposed to be like that? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 7:53pm
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I have read through it. I did not look for the bent strut when buying it because I dont know about boats and that is why I asked others to look for me but they said I will be just fine. I would have like to have had one of you guys with me. I was not fine as I had my Nautique goggles on. If the shaft is straight and I leave the coupling on and replace the strut, it will be 99% better than it was. I am out of $$ Its puzzling how something that is "shot" and "junk" ran for 6 years when 99% of the problem can be fixed with a new strut and now the suddenly coupling will never work again. ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:07pm
Really so you are simply ignoring the 10 or so comments about the shaft and coupling???
You have already mentioned you do not have a dial indicator so, how are you really going to tell if the shaft is straight without it removal? The coupling is TRASH!!!!! Get it off as well as the shaft. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:07pm
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Joe - You will be an alignment expert when you are done with this project. Swallow hard & buy the ARE now, you will be glad you did next time you have to take the shaft out. Believe me, there will be a next time! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:09pm
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You're going to be out an entire boat if you continue along the path you are currently on. Now is not the time to penny-pinch. If you can't afford to do the repair properly then leave your boat in "dry dock" per your location until you can afford to fix it the right way. Your continued disregard of the people's good advice on here boggles my mind. ------------- '02 Ski Nautique 196 w/ 5.7 Apex bowtie - Sold '87 Barefoot - sold '97 Super Sport Nautique - originally custom built for Walt Meloon '97 Ski Nautique '83 SN 2001 |
Posted By: Patman79
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:10pm
Man Pete, you are pretty brutal. LOL I understand though. I  ------------- Patrick |
Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:12pm
If you saw the 18 or so other threads he's tried to help him in you'd understand I'm really surprised he hasn't set the ignore feature yet.  ------------- '02 Ski Nautique 196 w/ 5.7 Apex bowtie - Sold '87 Barefoot - sold '97 Super Sport Nautique - originally custom built for Walt Meloon '97 Ski Nautique '83 SN 2001 |
Posted By: Patman79
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:16pm
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I missed em I guess! Thankfully or I might be that hot too! ------------- Patrick |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:22pm
Really?? BTW, Billy uses a slide hammer and I would question that method as well. It's the shock loading of the aft end of the trans. Eric say's he has actually seen the tail end of trans cases busted out from slide hammers. I talk to Billy 2 to 3 times every week so I'll make sure I discuss this with him. So, without the slide hammer or using the socket and bolt trick, how are you planing on removing it? Oh, I forgot, you are planning on keeping the trashed coupling and possibly bent shaft in the boat!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:31pm
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hey Pete, you´ve been talking to 79nautique lately? got some of his mood huh? ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:40pm
Crap, I though you were the one with the ADD, now I'm really confused!! LOL Keep smiling Pete, You can only do so much to help. I would not let this one frustrate me one bit. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:45pm
Seb, As mentioned, yes I think I'm stupid to keep trying. Yup, the old attention span is getting so short that it's tough to maintain and not do a "79" on this one! I haven't talked to him or exchanged emails in quite some time with Chris. It's threads like this one that he would absolutely go wild on!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 8:49pm
Alan, I'm smiling but, it's hard. Yes, it gets confusing but at least I know I'm on the correct track! We all have tried very hard on this one but without much success. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 9:11pm
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Hang in there Pete, success is coming. Keep in mind that very few first time new owners who only just found out what a strut is last week, have ever, ever attempted driveline and rudder repair, steering cable, wiring speakers in coaming pad, carb., trailer brakes, etc. etc. while wanting to be on the water yestarday. ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 10:44pm
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The seller HAD to know it was bent, if they kept that info from you that is some deception there. I'd go back to them. Demand some money back and tell them you'll sue them in small claims court for the cost to repair the strut and other components. While it is buyer beware you might get a sympathetic judge to grant you a judgement of some kind, maybe not all your $$$ back but some...better than nuthin. You certainly could have had a mechanic check it out before buying it. So you do bear responsibility to inspect before you buy. OR- the cost of tuition in the school of Learn As You Go in this case is around $800 or so. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 10:57pm
Joe.... Who cares about the coupler and shaft? It is already junk, right now as you are looking at it, in the boat, now. Junk. So is the shaft. Junk, right now. We have been saying it is junk. It;s junk, they both are. Junk. Get it out of there, they are both junk. Replace the shaft and coupler. Period. Along with strut and cutlass bearing. 4 things Joe. Strut, cutlass, shaft and coupler. Start pricing them and getting them ordered. Anything short of those 4 and it won't be right. You'll end up spending the cash and labor again, maybe even lots more. If you fix just the strut only, you will never get the alignment right with a loose coupler and keyway. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 11:01pm
Air chisel would get it off there now, if you got the angle right. ------------- If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 11:08pm
Andy, Your post pretty much sums it up but really doesn't address all the time we spent way back when N.G. was looking for a boat. I feel the bottom line is he reacted in a "gut" purchase and now is in WAY over his head. Unless he heeds to our suggestions, he will be in DEEP sh**t. Watch, if he does get the boat out on the lake with a trashed coupler, shaft and strut - the trans blow out is next. It doesn't seem the basic concept of a engine to shaft alignment is being understood. He certainly needs big time help. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 11:49pm
if its not bad already.... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: August-01-2012 at 11:59pm
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Sometimes being a boat owner sucks but it builds character. [<:o)] ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: August-02-2012 at 12:06am
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Even a man in the business once told me, "some people just shouldn't own boats" ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-02-2012 at 12:22am
WOW!!!! That's a great one!!! Yup, it's very fitting. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: August-02-2012 at 1:16am
I am starting to see how it is here. ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: August-02-2012 at 3:01am
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Aw come on Joe, tell us how this purchase happened. even though you have tried peoples nerves(can you not see why?)these guys will still help you fix it right. get those 4 parts as has been said and suck it up and fix it. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-02-2012 at 9:18pm
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D/N.G., I see you last visit was today at about 1pm. I'm curious, are you looking for parts or just alternates to the already suggestions made by many here on CCfan? What are your plans? Any parts ordered yet? Please, fill us in as we do not what you to make a big mistake in the direction you seem to be going. We are here to back you up but, you must listen to all our suggestions.BTW, I did talk to Billy today and yes, he loves the slide hammer trick for pulling a heat shrunk coupling off the prop shaft. He swears by it but I still question potential damage to the tail end of the trans. DO NOT use it on your PCM!!! Yes, as mentioned, Eric has stated that the tail ends of the PCM's will get torn up. He as well as Billy confirm that it's cool with the old Velvet's since they are cast iron but NOT on a aluminum case PCM. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |