Gas Prices.. falling anywhere?
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Topic: Gas Prices.. falling anywhere?
Posted By: 62 wood
Subject: Gas Prices.. falling anywhere?
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 3:36am
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Gas has been 3.99 here since a week before huricane Issac. I keep holding off on filling the 40 gallon tank in my truck. Is the price falling anywhere in the country? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 4:09am
Not that I have seen. I paid $3.85 in Cottage Grove Wisconsin two days ago, and $3.61 in Indianapolis the day before. I wouldn't hold my breath. Even if it goes down $.10 a gallon the savings on 40 gallons won't buy you a Starbucks, and on my car it wouldn't buy you a Snickers bar. Where is that time machine when you need it? In 1972 I paid $.26 per gallon in Texas. Looks like our buddies at the oil companies are giving it to us in the tailpipe. In July 2008 oil was $145 per barrel and gas was $4.00 a gallon. The price now is $99 per barrel and the price is $4. Where is that 30% decrease in gas prices? It's good to be king. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
62 wood wrote:Posted By: dochockey
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 11:36am
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My mom drove a VW bug. Gas 26 cents life was good I'm still not sure on how gas is bought today by these speculators but I bet if they had a stake in it things would be very different ------------- 1989 Teal Ski Nautique 1967 Mustang Harris Float Sunfish |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 11:45am
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John, the truck with the empty tank is the "toy pulling" truck. I pretty much use it when we go out of town to play... which probably aint gonna happen any time soon anyway. It went up 30 cents over night before the hurricane. Amazing how it takes forever for the price even go down a few cents. Other killer, we just got our quarterly "fuel surcharge letter" from our main cabinet supplier. Looks like an average kitchen's shipping cost is going up another $140.00. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 12:09pm
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Steve, At least you aren't filling up the 40 Gallon tank with diesel!! WOW, it's been a killer for several years. The only savings is the better mileage they get. I would need to really think hard about buying another one especially since you need that extra tank that you now need to put that emission needed stuff in!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 12:10pm
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Still going up in NY + 2 cents this morning to 3.99 at the cheapest outlets, looks like they rode hurricane panic right through the seasonal changeover to the "cheap" winter gas that happened 2 days ago.. I have a 150+ gallon long weekend coming in 2.5 weeks, looks like I will be drinking cheap beer and mid grade whiskey for a while... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 1:04pm
Pete, What year is your "Burb? What does it get for mileage? Probably makes little differnce with or without a boat behind? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 1:05pm
The best I can get out of it is about 20MPG on the highway. It must be the torque of the diesel so it doesn't make a difference if there is a trailer behind it nor if the AC is on or off. It's a 95. I want to see if I can make it to the 350k mark. (it's got 250 on it now) ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 1:07pm
Joe, After the first few, they all taste the same. A small price to pay.  . ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 3:30pm
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Where at 3.70 down here in Tx.. And seems to jump .10 every wk or so.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 3:46pm
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$3.50 here in the city, $3.75 out in the sticks where it stays higher. Just returned from an expensive weekend outside of Ft Worth with the boat and a tear drop camper, pulled it with the 250 that has a V10! Only gets about 8 mpg, but my 150 will drop below 10 mpg and won't haul that set up @ 75 mph. The rest of year it pulls duty as the lawn truck and pays its own way so I keep it around. If I remember correctly there were a couple of refineries on the east coast that were to be shut down back in the spring, and a refinery fire in CA in late August. Those things cause an actual disruption of supply, add in Iran and their sword rattling keeping the speculators bullish with all the free money the Fed is printing and we have $4.00 fuel for the boat. I guess it's a good thing the steering cable kept it out of action for a while, I'd hate to have to cut back the beer budget. |
Posted By: oldcuda
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 4:17pm
| WOW 8mpg with a pickup!! I just drove a tractor trailer from Ct to Dallas and average mpg was 8.3.I had a light load of tortila chips.Average fuel price was 3.96 per gallon.The only way to survive out here is to keep your foot out of it. The fuel surcharge does not really get substantail till the price gets up about 4.60 a gallon and if you are real carefull on fuel there is money to be made. |
Posted By: dochockey
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 4:34pm
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Gas at my doc is 4.99 but it's E free I drive a f150 just put gas in 3.89. here in MI. it was 4.01 ------------- 1989 Teal Ski Nautique 1967 Mustang Harris Float Sunfish |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 4:37pm
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4.19 up here.I noticed on Saturday that there were alot of boats just idleing by. We were laughing about http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/13036074-418/dead-monkeys-found-in-crate-shipped-to-nw-indiana-refinery.html" rel="nofollow - this and how it affected our prices. Then we found out http://www.cspnet.com/news/fuels/articles/update-6-bp-ids-stations-sold-spec-fuel" rel="nofollow - they must be a key ingredient when this happened and now we have to pay more for a substitute. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 4:39pm
WOW,how things have changed in the trucking industry. In the late 70s and early 80s. I was in the trucking industry. Our overall fleet averaged between 4 and 5 MPG. 73,280 and 45X96 back in those days. We first averaged over 5mpg with the newly introduced Kenworth "anteater" and we were happy with that. One of our accounts was Jays Potato Chips and we pulled 45' possums loaded with chips. It didn't change the mileage much. I often wondered why the light duty trucks are such pigs. I worked with a guy who drove a V10 Ford Excretion. He said he had never seen double digit mileage from it in the 70-80K miles he owned it. That included several family trips from Chicago to Florida to see the mouse. He traded it for an Escape and had enough money left over at the end of each month to buy a Mustang GT as a toy (car, not boat). It looks like the Sprinter is pretty good for its size. I liked the fin boat story towing cross country with one. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 4:46pm
Hey Gary, how long did it take the valve company to notice that their plant management was missing? ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Bakchose
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 5:02pm
| I paid $4.18 this past weekend in Southern Maine to get the boat to the trailer. The weekend befpre it was $3.95. Gassed up the Camry on the way home in NH. Cheapest I found was $3.91. Got back to the City and the new gas station just down the street was $3.71. Arrgghhh!!! I've never seen gas prices in MA less than NH before! |
Posted By: oldcuda
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 6:01pm
| They love to change the prices from state to state. You use to be able to schedule fuel stops based on previous experience not any more.What was the cheapest(use term loosly) last week might be most expensive this week you have to check prices everywhere every trip. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 6:10pm
I don't know John,but they were dead by the time they found them. How long does that take  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: watrski
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 6:13pm
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Gas is still pretty much the cheapest thing I put in my boat.... ------------- Tubing Sucks. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 6:29pm
I agree. My wife and kids in the boat are way more expensive than the fuel!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 7:08pm
But even their cost must pale in comparison to your monogram shirts, PFDs, and tubing gear. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 8:31pm
Thanks big time John!! You always have some interesting comments!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 9:08pm
I really hope to meet "the legend" (that's you) at the Blackhawk show and buy you one of your favorite drinks. Judging by your Atom, fine garments, and other tastes its probably Dalmore 62. In that case I'm afraid you're on your own. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 9:17pm
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What???? Gas prices are high? You'd never know it by watching the news. Seems when a republican is in office high gas prices are teh leading story every night, because clearly it is the fault of the adminsitration. Now its "move along folks, no news here...nothing to see here..." ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 9:24pm
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$4.01 is the lowest I've seen it this week. It's amazing, 2 months before a presidential election and gas hitting $4 and QE3 is barely mentioned in the news. I love the spin that $4 is the new $3 and it will be good for us in the long run because it will make us conserve. Heating season's gojng to be expensive. |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 11:31pm
Can you not connect the dots? This administration has pushed for alternative fuel sources and has threatened to cut of the oil industry corporate welfare. Of course the oil industry does not want that to happen. That is the explanation behind the price of crude being 30% below the record levels of $150 per barrel, yet the price is hovering at the all time high. The price will decline after the election as surely as it does after each major driving holiday regardless of who wins.. It is the free market capitalist system that we all know. Most businesses hedge their bets, you can bet the oil companies are doing it now. BTW, its not limited to the oil industry. That's what lobbying is all about. Backed up with a little persuasion its even more compelling. The extra profits earned don't hurt the bottom line either. Don't be nieve. Also, the heating season should be less expensive than it has been in years. Natural gas is near recent historic lows. Why are we not running our cars on it too. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 11:48pm
John, I connect the dots way differently than you.  $4 gas is the threshold that has put the brakes on any economic gain in my region. Heating oil is upwards of $4 and will pass that if it keeps going the way that it is. Natural gas is not an option for me or most people in my state. Although the percentage is dropping, most people including me, heat with oil. A half to 2/3 tank of oil cost $650 to $800 and goes 4-6 weeks if your house isn't big and is reasonably efficient, and you don't mind dressing warm. I'm glad I'm not too old to work.I'd love to see natural gas used in cars. So far only fleets like municipal buses are using it around here. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 11:54pm
Won't help Bruce John. For some reason that maybe Bruce can explain,Easterners use oil for heat. As for natural gas for cars,I saw a Honda a few years ago at the auto show. Very nice concept,much better than a hybrid IMO. Here are two reasons why IMO is why it's going to be a long time in coming.1- It would take a long time to get refill stations up and running for cross country trips and the biggest problem- Taxes. If I fill it at home from my gas main how is the Govt going to collect the road tax? And you know the easist way to do that is-- put a gps device in each vehicle and charge per mile.You know how that will play out,just like it did at my old place of employment. Oh no guy's it's not for or to be used for discipline,it's for YOUR safety. People will be upset. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-18-2012 at 11:55pm
I have got to learn to type faster  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-19-2012 at 12:03am
| Gary, I think Maine is too rural for gas to have ever taken hold, although several big lines have been run through the state in the past 10 years and there are some new developements that are using it. When I started appraising real estate in the 80's I noticed that the only areas of my city, which is the largest city in the state, (70k+-) only had gas in the old neighborhoods. It seems like from the 1950's up until recently gas was seldom installed. Neighborhoods built in the 1800's up to the 1940's mostly have gas. I've heard it was due to a strong oil lobby, but who knows? People are getting away from oil now, but I'm slow to spend a ton of money on new technology like pellets. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: September-19-2012 at 12:13am
Larry, I have posted the Obama / Democrat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdScVerrBU" rel="nofollow - video where they were complaining about $2 to $3 gas in another "heated at times" off topic post. No one has ever responded to why they arent crying foul today? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-19-2012 at 12:15am
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I know what you mean about rural,you would not know it now if you drove around here now but when my Grandparents started to build this house in 47,there was no gas service here either. He started making plans for propane but by the time he had to make a decision about a furnace,a main had been placed. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: September-19-2012 at 12:18am
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[QUOTE=john b] BTW, its not limited to the oil industry. That's what lobbying is all about. Backed up with a little persuasion its even more compelling. QUOTE] That is why we have 10% Ethenol in our fuel today and threatening to go to 15%. It AINT because its better. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-19-2012 at 12:52am
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Several thoughts. 1. Gas lines are very expensive to install in areas where the geology is principally granite or hard rock, and it is subject to shifting. That may account for it being less common in some areas of the east coast. 2. There are CNG cars on the road today. The home compressor unit that compresses the gas from about 3psi delivery pressure to 1,500 Psi, and is necessary to refueling your car, has a metering device. Taxes are paid by therm, just like it is metered to your house. At a filling station it is metered just like gasoline. 3. Ethanol is not a bad fuel, but is certainly not the only answer. It increases the octane rating of gasoline dramatically, keeps the combustion process cleaner, and prevents fuel system freeze and water problems (in closed systems). The guys in my Shelby Dodge club that race very high output forced induction engines (usually running over 30psig boost) commonly use E85 due to its extremely high octane and controlled combustion temperatures. There is less energy in it so you must tune with larger injectors for it. I only boost 24 psig and drive on the street, so I can get by with 93 octane pump gas. 4 Most gas stations already have natural gas infrastructure for heat, and could easily install a compressor and receiver tank without needing a new delivery system. It could be upgraded over years as CNG vehicles are phased in. 5. Hybrid technology is good, and is improving constantly. It is not dependant on the fuel used for an energy source as it only captures wasted energy and saves your brakes. 6. As a wise man on this site once said "If you do what you always did, you will get what you always got". Tesla stock 09/2010 $19.58 09/2012 $31.50 They are the leading provider of hybrid technology. FORWARD. It's not just an election slogan, that's why Toyota uses it and has profited on the Prius. I wouldn't buy stock in old energy technology any more than I would invest in photographic film or print media today. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: September-19-2012 at 1:35am
I still would, in a second. Fossil fuels arent going anywhere anytime soon. Film, and soon the print media are gone because something better came along. Nothing better has come along to replace fossil fuel. Yeah, solar and wind and hybrids and all that are nice ideas, but until they are economically viable (read: actually doable profitably), fossil fuels arent going anywhere. Certainly the billions of taxpayers's dollars that have been thrown at (wasted on?) failed alternative energy ideas is proof that their time is not yet. Not to say it won't happen some day, but no time soon. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Foot_Fungus
Date Posted: September-19-2012 at 1:43am
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john, wanted to chime in on a few of your points: 3. Ethanol should not ever be an answer. While I agree with you on your performance points(granted it only applied to newer vehicles or modified fuel systems), the problem is two-fold. A. it is heavily subsidized by the govt to make it profitable to the famers, so without that it would drive ethanol prices close to double straight gas, and B. just remember that the more corn that goes to ethanol means the less goes toward food and the feed we use to grow food(ie cows/chickens). So while gas would get cheaper food costs would sore offsetting any price advantage. 4. The problem is the infastructure is designed around low volume. in order to meet the demands of a fueling stations you would have to signficantly upgrade the supply systems and lines. Though CNG is currently one of the top areas car mfgs are looking towards. 5. While hybrid technology pays dividends at the pump there have been several studies that long-term ownership costs and initial costs far exceed the regular gas engine equivalents. For the Prius in particular they were able to show that it would cost an owner a few thousand more over a 10 year period vs. the camry with all factors held constant. Most scientists will also agree that we will not run out of petroleum in our lifetimes or that of our children or grand children. The recent discovery of oil sands and very large caches under the northern oceananic regions have forced the studies from the 90s to be re-evaluated and most of academia believe that the previous reported "extinctions" were far exagerated. Granted, we will eventually run out on some grand time scale. My personal opinion is that the gas combustion engine still has tons of room for improvement. The fact that we have 300hp v6 engines and even 400hp v8s getting in the mid 20s is proof there is a ton of efficiency we can still squeeze out with advances in fuel delivery and computer controls. But just my 2 cents. ON a side note are you sure tesla is the leading hybrid group? I think you have your terms confused, tesla specializes in zero emission electrics not gas hybrids. I know they are considered one of the top 3 for zero emissions vehicles, but GEM, a sub group of diamler AG, is the leading producer and has been since 2000. Though I may be wrong, I'm pulling this from memory. ------------- '94SN Restoration underway... |
Posted By: dwouncmd
Date Posted: September-19-2012 at 10:08am
All this talk about gas prices and 400 hp v8's makes me want to go burn some behind a boat... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6535&sort=&pagenum=2" rel="nofollow - 89 SN <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6567&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow">7 |
Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: September-21-2012 at 3:27pm
| Charlotte, NC is at $3.90 to $3.95 per gal for regular as of today go across the border to South Carolina (10 miles approx) it is $3.40 per gal |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-21-2012 at 8:59pm
You left out the fact that a drought like this year can wipe out the fuel source. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: September-26-2012 at 11:52pm
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WELL FINALLY!! Oil went under $90 / barrel AND our gas prices fell!!!!! Was 3.99 on Monday... Today.... da da da daahhhhh. $3.98  . ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 12:53am
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409 here today Steve ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Cuda Chris
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 1:47am
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$3.79 for premium by my house. Washington DC is over $4 a gal. 12 years ago when I was graduating from college gas was 89 cents a gal for regular in Georgia. ------------- 1968 Barracuda Super Sport |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 5:27am
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OMH, here is a little blip on Tesla. They provide technology to some manufacturers and are now beginning to provide the drivetrains for some Toyota and Daimler cars. Sorry you have to cut & paste my link, I can't post a proper link with my phone. http://venturebeat.com/2011/07/20/tesla-toyota-100m-rav4-deal/ ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 9:39am
| It's dropped down to $3.80s and $3.90s this week. The State just reported lower receipts for sales tax and a poor outlook for the next quarter due to high gas prices, so it is hurting the economy. Why are prices so high relative to crude prices? |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 10:45am
Because they can! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 3:04pm
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Dropping slowly here, getting easier to find below $3.50. There is still a large refinery out of commission on the West Coast, and also something on the Gulf Coast which has the speculators exited. The refineries that are running are making as much heating oil, diesel and other things they can sell overseas because the difference in the price of Brent Crude and West TX Intermediate. They can buy WTI and sell it for Brent prices elsewhere. The price at the pump is based more on the Brent price right now than the WTI. The oil coming from South Dakota and Canada is even cheaper than WTI, but due to the lack of infrastructure (Keystone XL and other pipelines that aren't there) the shipping costs are very high. So what brings the price down? I don't know, but there are actually reasons for it other than because they can. |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 3:07pm
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[QUOTE=Foot_Fungus] john, wanted to chime in on a few of your points: 3. Ethanol should not ever be an answer. B. just remember that the more corn that goes to ethanol means the less goes toward food and the feed we use to grow food(ie cows/chickens). So while gas would get cheaper food costs would sore offsetting any price advantage. QUOTE] Just heard on the news yesterday that pork is going up 12%due to the lack of feed corn. I don't understand why more people aren't buying diesels to tow with and making Bio-diesel. My F-250 gets between 14-16 mpg pulling the boat at 70-75 mph. I've been making and running Bio in my F-250 since '06 and my wife's '07 Grand Cherokee costs me about a buck a gallon to make. When we went to Tennessee for the mini I put my 91 gallon tank in the bed and ran round trip(1200mi)on Bio. Only fuel I pay for goes in the boat!!! 
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Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 4:23pm
| Bio diesel or even straight vegetable oil was a hot thing around here in 06/07. Once everyone got finished cleaning out their fuel filters and other stuff I don't know many who will even try to use it. Too much hassle to make it and spend the time to get it right. Natural gas will be the next thing here in TX at least, and that's a few years down the road if you aren't in the middle of the oil patch where you can already do it. |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 4:37pm
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I've read about people dumping just about everything in their tanks from used motor oil to vegetable oil. It doesn't work that way. If you do it right, which isn't hard or rocket science you won't have any problems. I can make 80 gallons a week with only at the most 2 hrs of actual hands on time. Even if you buy conventional diesel the diesel gets much better fuel milage than a gasser. My 5.4 F-150 got around 8 mpg pulling my 16' enclosed snowmobile trailer, with the same trailer I'm getting 14+ with the diesel pulling on the same trip. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 5:27pm
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395 today. Having been there and done that I'm not going to go out and spend dollars to buy a diesel to save cents so I can take a trip a couple of times a year. On our trip home from SJRR '11 pulling the Mustang with my 6cyl Jeep going 70mph I got 16.1 mpg and spent 325.93 on gasoline. It would take a long time to recover the initial cost of the upgrade. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: rogier
Date Posted: September-27-2012 at 5:41pm
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You guys are still lucky with gas prices. I just filled the boat at a do-it-yourself station with the lowest possible prices, and paid 9.11 US $ per gallon. This is cheap compared to the on-the-water station where I paid 10,02 US $ per gallon on average last season. I converted the boat to be able to run on regular gas and liquid propane. It consumes about 10% more if it runs on propane, but the price of propane is about 60% lower than gas, making me a cheap wakeboarder for 3,64 per gallon of propane. I fill using tanks for a forklift, and have the whole system setup with automatic closure valves etc. |
Posted By: dochockey
Date Posted: October-16-2012 at 1:41pm
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3.59 in Richland MI ------------- 1989 Teal Ski Nautique 1967 Mustang Harris Float Sunfish |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 3:23am
Jeez Gary...they said exactly the same thing in Ohio..lol.. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 4:01am
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$3.699 in Minocoqua, WI. It took 11 gallons to get here, but I was pulling a small utility trailer. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 9:43am
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When oil hit $90 -100 a barrel gas went to $3.00 when it went over $100 to $120 it went to $4.00 ----- Now it is under $90 a barrel and stil near $4.00 WTF? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 11:47am
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To refresh ones recollection of history I suggest going to the http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx" rel="nofollow - gas buddy site and set the duration to 8 years and click the button that shows oil price along with gas price. The shortish answer to WTF is that in the short term market oil is both limited and infinite, supply is not controlled by demand but rather opec’s willingness to produce. Gas supply is not infinite due to refinery limitations and is easily manipulated by speculators. Demand for gas is only one part of oil consumption and as we all know demand falls off like a rock at 4 bucks. At the peak of gas prices (and demand) under gwb there were still additional demands on crude oil price for heating oil, plastics production, power production, etc. Many of those have yet to return due to construction not coming near the bloated bubble levels, but more importantly due to the prevalence of cheap natural gas. The refineries therefore are the primary oil price driver (outside of the 25% tax we all pay to the speculators). The difference between now and when gas prices peaked in 2008 is that the price to heat our houses over the winter is about half what it was then, plastics prices are considerably cheaper, airline tickets are cheaper, etc. This does show market inefficiency because the market is driven completely by demand and not by production costs, but it is a tremendously colluded market with many shared resources and no real ability to compete with the established players. We are talking about Oil, and nobody did make that. It was stuff that you end up finding under your feet, or more often than not on public land, treating it like a true product of labor from an economics standpoint is nearly impossible. We need to realize that the oil in Saudi Arabia basically pumps itself out of the ground and is still profitable to produce at 27 dollars a barrel but all the north American sources are relatively more expensive and without higher oil prices many are not economically viable at all. This is the real reason for the north American oil boom of the last 4 years.. no one just discovered north Dakota or the oil sands, it just became economically viable to produce oil there because of the oil spike in early 2008. Technology has also been a factor but again that technology came about because of investments made when oil prices were high (I remember $145 a barrel and not being able to work in my shop that winter). Is it a conspiracy to keep gas prices high, I suppose it could be but it if is the refiners and big oil companies are behind it. Certainly there is no government motive to raise them. The type of robust regulation you would need to see actual competition at the drilling and refinining stages of production would likely be counter productive, greater financial regulation is of course needed but blocked by serious lobbying. There is no point to be scored here from either side.. the true cost of that gallon of gas to the world your children will inhabit is probably closer to the price they pay in Europe than the price we pay here in the us. Gas at the 1.85 levels we saw at the height of the economic crisis encourages manufacturing moving overseas (due to cheap shipping and relative attractiveness of coal production) and US oil production to fall off to the point where we wouldn’t be building any keystone xl or even xs pipelines. It also leads people to buy the cheapest possible refrigerators, air conditioners, furnaces, cars, generators, light bulbs etc.. which tend to be copies of 20 year old american designs shipped over from china or india. Higher energy prices drive consumers to efficient products produced by the world’s best and brightest, which both helps our manufacturing economy and leaves a better world for our children. Cheap American natural gas to encourage industry to relocate back to America (and keep home heating costs relatively reasonable) combined with reasonable oil prices (70-90) and gas prices (3-4) put America where it needs to be to build real sustainable growth. If you want to pay a buck a gallon consider moving to Saudi Arabia. If you want to see a liberal or socialist plan go to europe or japan and see what they are paying. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 11:54am
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President Obama didn't answer the question if $4.00 gas was the new normal or if it was the Dept of Energy's job to bring down the cost of gas. $4.00 gas is hurting the Maine economy and I have to think elsewhere. |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 12:12pm
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Truth, you can’t handle the truth! Seriously no he didn’t answer the question cause the answer is yep 3-4 dollars is the normal has been for 6 years except when the economy was in complete free fall.. get used to it. If I was on the stage with a guy who was completely willing to lie and say that the 1.86 a gallon number was realistic and that it was obamas fault and all he had to do was issue more permits and destroy a few nature preserves and that would happen I wouldn’t answer the question either… Except how he did answer, which was to say that yep if Romney destroys the economy to the point where nobody is willing to spend any money on anything just like bush did then yes gas will be $1.86 again. And no it is not the job of a government office to control the price of a global commodity I am shocked that any conservative would even consider such a thing as being part of the role of government. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 12:26pm
| I would have liked to hear him answer the question honestly instead of diverting to wind power. Wind power is not the answer. Wind power in Maine was viewed as a great thing 10 years ago, but not so much now that we've got it. Many view it as a scam that ruins the enviorment and requires enormous government subsidies. It's actually causing the cost of electricity to rise. Someone said a while ago that the Dept of Energy has never created any energy, so if not regulating or at least trying to influence the price of gas when it spikes, what is their role? |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 12:52pm
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The mission of the Energy Department is to ensure America’s security and prosperity by addressing its energy, environmental and nuclear challenges through transformative science and technology solutions. There are agencies that deal with manipulation of markets creating artificially high prices.. of course every appointment to those agencies has been filibustered by the republican minority in the house. The Chinese/europeans/japanese/koreans are winning the clean energy race that will determine the leaders in the world your children will inherit, as much as we want to complain about excessive government spending on wind, solar, batteries, etc and the US companies that have gone bankrupt after recieving grants and loan guarantees in every case they went bankrupt because they were competeting against a much more heavily subsidised (like 10-100 times more)foreign entitiy like the chinese solar cell producers and the korean battery manufacturers. Either we want to live in world where we use american technology and ingenuity to compete with first world countries on future technologies, or we want to enter into a race with saudi arabia and iran as to who can rape our land of all its natural resources quickest while at the same time destroying the environment as necessary. Anti wind power propaganda is just that, propaganda. I have yet to see a windmill set a single persons well water on fire, or produce a drop of acid rain. You really have to contort yourself sideways to find a legitimate environmental concern with windmills. It is a long term solution with paybacks that take more than a single generation.. it will need government support to compete against established energy sources that have already had centuries of government support. The us does not want to be behind in that technology. Short term solutions and technologys are the realm of private business.. america has always worked best when the federal government supported long range development. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 1:04pm
You need to be more open minded towards wind power. It aint all propaganda from the antis. I thought it was a great idea 10 years ago when our then governor declared wind to be the State of Maine's greatest natural asset. Coming in to a pristine area and forever changing mountain tops to install wind towers has a significant negative affect on the area and its people. Liberals and conservatives that live in those areas are pretty much in agreement on how they feel about wind power. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 1:09pm
Geeeze, imagine this post getting political..  Why then, did Obama, Poloisey, and Hillary use it as a political tool when slamming the "Repub's 2 buck gas" a few years ago? BTW, $3.76/ gal this morning, back to pre-Issac prices... Lets see, up 30 cents overnight, back down .30 in two months... AND we are HAPPY about it. ........What a great country!  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 1:11pm
Willing to spend and able to spend are 2 completely different things. My very basic math says WTF to that Joe. My annual gross revenue averaged over the 17+ years I have been in business: Bush Admin +25% Current Admin -65% Don't be a hater Joe, your boy is a puppet, he needs to go!! BTW, apparently gas is free on my dock, somebody siphoned out Hollywoods boat at some point this summer. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: snipe
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 1:25pm
Gas is $3.49 in Menomonee Falls, WI. (That's today 10/17/12) It depends on where you drive. It can be one price at one place and another right across the street. Go figure.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=4810" rel="nofollow - 80 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 1:26pm
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The fact is when gas prices go up they do it immediately and disporportional to the time and amount they come down. Consumer is always the one getting it up the a$$! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 1:29pm
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If you want to blame the losses of 2009 on obama when it was bush that created that situation and signed the budget for that year then yeah obama really screwed us. I am looking at my 401k happy that it is finally making progress again and thinking there is no way I can afford another republican in office for at least another 4 years. 2 dollar a gallon gas can only come out of OPEC nations.. the price of having gas prices at that level for years was keeping in power dictators that ruled thier people with an iron fist to keep the place stable enough to provide uninterupped low cost oil. Whether we want to continue living in that world or not the people of the middle east apparrently don't. American simply can't and shouldnt want to win a race to the bottom where the lowest labor costs and lowest gas costs prevail. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 2:00pm
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Not to get too political here, but I feel today's price of gas (whether its 2 bucks or 4 bucks)is a minor inconvenience compared to what the national debt is ultimately going to do. http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EW5IdwltaAc?rel=0" rel="nofollow - Sobering video? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-17-2012 at 2:00pm
Conservatives call that the free market.. supply and demand, nothing to see here.. move on about your day. There isnt much immediate Obama can do about it with the tea party running congress... but he cant say that in a debate or he will be beat up for blaming someone else. I call it an unregulated free market, the only possible solutions are additional regulation or a planned economy where the government sets the price. Is that what you want, are you some sort of commie? This is america bend over and salute the flag! Solution offered by Romney.. we drill more.. we have and as everyone has pointed out it hasnt done anything to help the price. we should reduce regulations on oil companies... well how did that work out for us - Romney was right that oil production on federal lands fell 14% between 2010 and 2011 (it is way up over the course of the last 4 years but that one year it did fall). That drop is entirely due to the gulf oil spill and the aftermath, so letting them guys take care of themselves hasnt exactly proven to help provide a steady supply of cheap oil Solution offered by Obama - we should go after market manipulators - blocked by republican filibuster we should cut demand by producing cars that use less gas - in progress but is going to take a few years (done without congress) we should drill more to make sure global supply issues cant cripple us but we should do it safely - in progress (mostly driven by higher oil prices) we should invest in alternate energy that will further lower demand - kinda in progress - we wasted a bunch of money by starting this but since 2010 we have not followed up and so the industries will die and therefore default on the loans we gave them while the koreans and chinese are getting a head start on the economy of the future. The problem with romneys solutions of drilling and lowering taxes is that Obama already did them... cause that is the short sighted type of crap americans like and he wanted to get reelected. Romney does propose lowering regulations.. but not the ones that effect the small business man, those are all state and local ones he cant effect, all he can do is turn once again turn loose wall street to use my 401k to line thier pockets. Give me slow and steady recovery over voodoo economics anyday. I am just glad there is only another 20 days of this nonsense! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: October-18-2012 at 2:34am
Joe, Wind mills kill 200 golden eagles each year, and thousands of other birds. People living near them also complain of headaches and annoyance. I was in duluth this weekend and following the great lakes shipping . One boat that came in was a dutch registered ship bringing in foreign manufactured wind mills. If we are not getting the manufacturing or shipping, how is this investment helping? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: October-18-2012 at 2:39am
Joe, Bush signed the budget congress gave him. Obama was in congress and voted for the budget that gave him the problem he inherited. Your 401k is doing well thanks to QE 1,2,and 3. Its all artificial, we are due to have tha bubble burst, and when the inevitable inflation kicks in from all the funny money we are printing your gains will be more than offset by the loss of your dollars value. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: AirTique98
Date Posted: October-18-2012 at 3:35am
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Must be getting close to the election....$3.33 tonight over in Parma [JBear will know where that is] on my usual Wed. night out. ------------- Bill http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5549 - 98Air Nautique Former Owner: 1990 Ski Nautique 1981 Ski Nautique 1976 Ski Nautique 1971 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-18-2012 at 4:16am
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wow...cheap in Parma. BTW..just read where the Parma Town Mall was sold. This weekend it was $3.50 something at Rocky Top in Tennessee but rose steadily as we got south on the way home. Saw it as high as $3.79 as we got off the highway. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: October-18-2012 at 9:58am
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Once again Joe, You write alot of words and say nothing. Your 401 may be doing great but I was better off four years ago, and yes I blame Obama for tricking many Americans into voting for him. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |