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Topic: Airguide Speedometer Conversion to GPS
Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Subject: Airguide Speedometer Conversion to GPS
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 2:33am
Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am holding in my grimy little hands the first Airguide speedometer prototype conversion to GPS. I tested this prototype today and it appears to be working well.

No more leaks or clogs!

Stand by….
Dean
Classic Boatworks



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Posted By: must_dash
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 5:14am
Pics are the real proof....
How have you done it?

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Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 11:09am
Interesting.

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Posted By: gR@HaM
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 3:04pm
The suspense!!!..

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'82 Ski Tique


Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 5:14pm
I have to keep you guys guessing....

It is a little soon to go into too much depth as we are still working out the details. What I can tell you is that it worked pretty cool in the test.

Dean


Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 5:42pm
Hmm, very interesting. Are you integrating it to look like an analog gauge with a dial indicator and everything?

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'87 Barefoot - sold
'97 Super Sport Nautique - originally custom built for Walt Meloon
'97 Ski Nautique
'83 SN 2001


Posted By: delovett
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 7:31pm
This is quite exciting

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by bhectus bhectus wrote:

Hmm, very interesting. Are you integrating it to look like an analog gauge with a dial indicator and everything?


Yes, the exterior will look identical to your pitot gauge. The back may have to have some modification for an external receiver. We just had a discussion about integrating an internal receiver but the faces would have to be changed from metal to plastic. The external receiver is a more proven technology.


Posted By: AAM196
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 7:49pm
yeah baby lay it on us... anytime your ready... now works for us... digital speed sweet analog look... I'm in!


don't want to take over thread... anyone know where to get a pointer for a 1999 style airguide? I got a bent one

this style...
http://www.nautiqueparts.com/speedometerairguide-usedonnautiquesto1999.aspx


Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 8:03pm
Andrew -

I have a working, yellowed, white face early 90's Airguide says Correct Craft (not Nautiques) that you can take off my hands.....cannibalize it for the needle or put a white face on it... PM me for price if ya want it........

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 8:16pm
"don't want to take over thread..."

Ahhh.. Thread thief... think I have to report this to the FBI, Special Thread Investigation unit...


Posted By: rosconole
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 8:48pm
i am ready to go to the perfect pass gps speedo, anyone like dislike it?

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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 9:07pm
PrecisionStar is going in the BFN in 3 weeks.... I'll let ya know...

Your thread is really jacked now! Ha.......

BTW - I like the Stargazer GPS upgrade in the 206 so far...... Guess I'm all GPS.

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 9:09pm
Wooo is me


Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 9:14pm
Dean:

It just shows you there is a buzz about Marine GPS..... Thanks for bringing the Airguides along......... Good on ya' Mate!

(Now back on track, I hope )

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-07-2013 at 9:26pm
I am just kidding around...


Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: January-08-2013 at 12:59am
i´m also toying with the idea of a gps speedo, if this goes along i´d be more than interested!

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-08-2013 at 1:05am
This project is going forward. We are not far away at this point just working on the fine points.


Posted By: turningpoint84
Date Posted: January-08-2013 at 1:53am
Doesn't seem to complicated! Sounds awesome!

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Posted By: Toeboat
Date Posted: January-09-2013 at 10:44pm
You can count me in for a future sale! 89 BFN.

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06 Ski Nautique w/ZR6
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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-09-2013 at 11:37pm
Very cool... start saving your pennies because we are real close!


Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: January-10-2013 at 12:02am
What's the timeframe for production completion and until you are able to start filling orders?

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'02 Ski Nautique 196 w/ 5.7 Apex bowtie - Sold
'87 Barefoot - sold
'97 Super Sport Nautique - originally custom built for Walt Meloon
'97 Ski Nautique
'83 SN 2001


Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-10-2013 at 12:13am
I am not sure. I think one or two months.


Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-10-2013 at 10:26am
Dean - What will be the price?

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Posted By: gR@HaM
Date Posted: January-10-2013 at 10:36am
The all important question!!

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'82 Ski Tique


Posted By: turningpoint84
Date Posted: January-10-2013 at 11:42am
I'm sure price depends on cost of the speedo.

I'd assume with my educated guess in the $500 range.

Speedo at $200, GPS $100-150, Labor to modify and then you need to make a profit.

I think selling a kit where someone could modify their own speedo would be a great idea.

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Posted By: dwouncmd
Date Posted: January-10-2013 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by turningpoint84 turningpoint84 wrote:

I think selling a kit where someone could modify their own speedo would be a great idea.


+1

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-10-2013 at 3:35pm
Gee guys, you have this all figured out....
It is too soon for me to give you a price. It will be competitively priced and I do intend to provide components for those that wish to do the work themselves.
This will be a retrofit so I assume the buyer already has the speedometer.


Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: January-11-2013 at 4:52am
Originally posted by ClassicBoatwork ClassicBoatwork wrote:

Gee guys, you have this all figured out....
It is too soon for me to give you a price. It will be competitively priced and I do intend to provide components for those that wish to do the work themselves.
This will be a retrofit so I assume the buyer already has the speedometer.






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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 1:58am
I need some input. One of the limitations I am running into for the Airguide retrofit is the total sweep of the needle motor is 315 degrees.
On a 3 to 50 mph dial, like most of you have, the needle has to do one of two things.

1. To reach 50mph the needle comes to rest at 5 mph.
2. If the needle settles at the post or 3 mph it will not quite reach 50 mph, the needle will top out at 47 or 48 mph.

How big of a deal is this? I know if I were calibrating for myself I would let the needle set at the post. I have never had a boat that would actually go 50 mph! Does yours?
The gps will actually read up to 200 mph. The limitation is the scale not being over 315 degrees. It appears that finding a motor that will cover a broader range of degrees is problematical
but I am not certain about this.

In YOUR opinion is this a problem that should be resolved before further development?

Thank you for your input,
Dean


Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 9:53am
You will find lots of boats here that will run 50 or above!

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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 10:01am
I think most of us would care more about our speed over 40 than under 10.



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Posted By: JMurph
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 10:16am
Originally posted by ClassicBoatwork ClassicBoatwork wrote:

I need some input. One of the limitations I am running into for the Airguide retrofit is the total sweep of the needle motor is 315 degrees.
On a 3 to 50 mph dial, like most of you have, the needle has to do one of two things.

1. To reach 50mph the needle comes to rest at 5 mph.
2. If the needle settles at the post or 3 mph it will not quite reach 50 mph, the needle will top out at 47 or 48 mph.

How big of a deal is this? I know if I were calibrating for myself I would let the needle set at the post. I have never had a boat that would actually go 50 mph! Does yours?
The gps will actually read up to 200 mph. The limitation is the scale not being over 315 degrees. It appears that finding a motor that will cover a broader range of degrees is problematical
but I am not certain about this.

In YOUR opinion is this a problem that should be resolved before further development?

Thank you for your input,
Dean


I would let the needle rest at the post and I would not stop development so that the remaining 2 to 3 mph could be reached before proceeding. Even though many boats here can reach 50 mph, I don't think it's necessary to catch that on your Airguide. Most of the folks who are concerned with their very top end speed would have a digital handheld gps (which is easier to read) with them or someone else in the boat tracking the speed. I see the Airguide conversion more geared toward knowing how fast the boat is going during actual skiing, etc. If you're going 48-50, you're probably closer to WOT, unless you have a boat with a modified engine.


Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 11:34am
Your set up NOW would work great for me as 'Miss Scarlett' still has the stock motor in it and with the 540 prop she'll only do 46-47 MPH on a good day. If I changed my prop I might get an extra 2MPH on the top end and would want the upper scale to be accurate because I'm barefooting.

Of course if you're able to fine tune it and get the full range then it would be awesome. I appreciate the work you're doing for the sake of keeping them original but yet modern. Way cool!

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Posted By: turningpoint84
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 11:36am
I'd be happy with 3-47 mph.

I figure just put in instructions that allow the user to adjust it to how they would want it?

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 1:40pm
Tim, you ever GPS your '88? If so, thats the fastest one Ive heard of. Most are slower than the earlier (82-86) 2001 hulls, which are usually right around 45-46. I wouldnt expect any other prop to be faster than a 540... so you'll probably never pick up that 2mph with a prop change.

Tough call on which way to skew the speedo... *most* boats dont go faster than 47-48, but some certainly do. Personally, I dont care how fast Im going if its less than 6mph though- so Id opt to lose a little bit of resolution on the low end.

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by turningpoint84 turningpoint84 wrote:

I'd be happy with 3-47 mph.

I figure just put in instructions that allow the user to adjust it to how they would want it?


This is the current thinking. I just want to make sure that you have a solution that is acceptable to most. As stated above the GPS will handle speeds up to 20 mph. We are including a calibration for those of you that have 60 or 80 mph Airguide gauges. The scale works with those fine.

Thanks!


Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 1:45pm
oops 200 mph


Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by Morfoot Morfoot wrote:

with the 540 prop she'll only do 46-47 MPH on a good day.



Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Tim, you ever GPS your '88? If so, thats the fastest one Ive heard of. Most are slower than the earlier (82-86) 2001 hulls, which are usually right around 45-46. I wouldnt expect any other prop to be faster than a 540... so you'll probably never pick up that 2mph with a prop change.    


Dammit Tim, you burst my bubble.    I went back and checked a post I did posting the results of the 540... 43.5 was all she did and yes that was using a GPS.

You mean I can't act like a fisherman who caught "The Big One'?

Errrrrr I mean I'll hit 47 after I remove the pitots as they are causing a 3 MPH drag.

I stand corrected! OOOP...my bad      

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-14-2013 at 3:01pm
Tim, if you lied I would have believed you.    Those numbers line up with the other late 2001's (at least '87-88) that Ive seen. '89 with the 1.23 is a little different animal.

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-22-2013 at 12:24am
The Bad and the Good

First the Bad: I withdrew my participation in the development of the GPS retrofit with the company I was working with. The business terms are simply unacceptable.

Now the Good: I am not stopping work on the development of a retrofit. I have already begun working with two sources to engineer a retrofit board and a frame to hold the board in the proper position. My goal is to have the board fit onto the frame so you remove the mechanical mechanism and replace it with the new frame, attach the board, attach the dial, attach the adjustment knob (if you have one), and close up your speedometer. I will use your input in the design.

Dean


Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: January-22-2013 at 6:30am
Don't forget about us metric boys...
Does it fit a KPH speedo as well?

(On another note: I will not bump the lenses thread this month... )

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 12:58am
On again.

I am happy to report we have worked out our business terms so are back on track.


Posted By: Tonali_III
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 1:02am
I want one! I want one!

My Hotrod Southwind project should be hitting about 65 or 70, we think! (We hope!)

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 1:20am
Originally posted by Kristof Kristof wrote:

Don't forget about us metric boys...
Does it fit a KPH speedo as well?

(On another note: I will not bump the lenses thread this month... )


I don't think KPH or MPH matters but I am checking to make sure.

On your non-bump, just today (in the USA) I found another alternative. I will get a sample soon. If this works I will at least get any pre-sales taken care of, at a loss mind you This guy has "as many as you want" NOS lenses. They are not the correct shape but he has "One hundred years old grinding machines". Says he knows exactly what I mean and can make the correct shape. Needless to say they will be a bit pricy. But we will actually have them!

Also now have a full line of replacement dials and they are beautiful! I will get them on the web site asap.

   



Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 1:49am
Originally posted by Kristof Kristof wrote:

Don't forget about us metric boys...
Does it fit a KPH speedo as well?

(On another note: I will not bump the lenses thread this month... )


KPH are not a problem. You have a little different calibration sequence but other than that it is the same.


Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 1:56am
Just wondering what most guys will do - install 1 of these & leave the other pitot driven? Install 2 GPS? Remove the remaining Airguide & fill the hole in the dash?



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Posted By: Tonali_III
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 2:05am
Actually, I have an old Teleflex MPH gauge. A Mark III, I believe.

Remember, you started this.

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Posted By: Tonali_III
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 2:08am
Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

Just wondering what most guys will do - install 1 of these & leave the other pitot driven? Install 2 GPS? Remove the remaining Airguide & fill the hole in the dash?



2 GPS? Are you serious? I say leave it the other Pitot driven. Just make sure you mark the GPS one. The GPS reads relative to the satellite, irregardless of water movement. The pitot is relative to the water. Theoretically, unless you are in absolutely still water, one will always read faster than the other.

It's like the difference between airspeed and groundspeed in a plane.

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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 2:11am
I bet someone will install 2 - won't be me though.

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Posted By: rosconole
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 2:36am
Theres only a few things you should be doing below 5mph,if it started there thats fine , most of the big 30-50' gunship GPS speedos dont start till 10-20 and go to 160 or so.

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 2:53am
Everyone should have TWO!!

There is an option to install two gps units and operate them with one receiver.

Where you start the calibration, low or high speed, will be determined by each user.

If you don't boat on a river or the ocean with a strong current ground speed vs speed with or against current is minimal or non-existent. Like most things in life what one prefers is determined by individual users.


Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 9:39am
looks like there will be a market for the unused pitot drive speedos we will remove! lol



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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 10:51am
GPS is now, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Correct-Craft-Ski-Nautique-Electronic-Speedometer-Ad-1980-/400391129284?pt=Motors_Manuals_Literature&hash=item5d392bc8c4&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - This was then

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 12:25pm
My pitots are coming off GPS or no GPS. Looking forward to this. I might get a larger tach for the other speedo hole and put a heater vent-hand warmer in the old tach location. That's the plan anyway.

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Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 12:49pm
HW, I think I am for sure adding a heater box to my boat when the time comes to rip the floor out.

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Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

My pitots are coming off GPS or no GPS.


Original grey and black? If so, dibs when you pull them off.

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 1:41pm
They are yours. The barb is broken on one of them, probably from the same ***************s that siphoned my gas tank dry over the summer.

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Posted By: turningpoint84
Date Posted: January-23-2013 at 1:45pm
Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

HW, I think I am for sure adding a heater box to my boat when the time comes to rip the floor out.


I'm going to do the same.

I actually read a big write up on this about 6 months ago, on how to do it on a newer boat, but i seriously have no idea on how to do this on an older boat, meaning where to put the water hoses.

It get's cold on the water at night and i enjoy a good heater, i figure i can hide it up under the dash, then send a vent to the passenger and driver, and maybe finagle a 3rd to the back, but i'm undecided on that.



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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-28-2013 at 10:17pm
Sweetheart Deal – Tell your sweetheart what you really want

We are offering the Speedometer GPS conversion for a discount and I will install your unit at no charge until February 29, 2013. http://www.classicboatwork.com/classicparts/gauges/airguide/gps/cc.html

Currently we have mounted the prototypes on the frame that holds the mechanical parts requiring removal of the internal parts and frame modification. I need to install a few in order to work out the details of an alternate mounting method and write clear instructions. Once I perfect an alternate installation method I will offer a kit for those that wish to install the unit themselves and save their mechanical internals.

We ask those that take advantage of this introductory special to work with us to resolve any issues and share your experience on the forum.

We guarantee your satisfaction.

Questions?   
Post here or email coolboats@classicboatwork.com or Phone 916-774-0529


Posted By: cphase
Date Posted: January-28-2013 at 10:20pm
http://www.classicboatwork.com/classicparts/gauges/airguide/gps/cc.html" rel="nofollow - Proper Link

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-28-2013 at 10:29pm
I don't know how you did it but Thank you... oops.. I see the insert link button up there now!


Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: January-28-2013 at 11:43pm
you need the old airguide to do the work?

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-28-2013 at 11:56pm
Yes, I will install the unit into your speedometer.

Ahhh, Argentina.. I see. If you wish to take advantage of the special and install yourself that is okay. I can hold off shipping to you and supply an install kit when I get it worked out. Or you can use your current frame and I will walk you through as much as I currently know.

We are all learning together here!
Thanks,
Dean


Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: January-29-2013 at 12:14pm
Guessing you can do them for different faces, but how about surface mount units? Sorry if this question was covered earlier.

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: January-29-2013 at 2:24pm
Yes, the conversion should fit any Airguide speedometer.


Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: February-19-2013 at 3:33am
I have added more information on the GPS conversion:

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We also now have a form for questions and quotes:
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Posted By: turningpoint84
Date Posted: February-19-2013 at 12:45pm
you link just takes us to this thread.

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: February-19-2013 at 1:17pm
arg.. I don't understand these links I guess...

http://www.classicboatwork.com/classicparts/gauges/airguide/agr/agr.html

http://www.classicboatwork.com/classicparts/gauges/airguide/gps/gpsretro.html

http://www.classicboatwork.com/form/gpsform.html

Sorry about that... Dean


Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: February-19-2013 at 1:59pm
Originally posted by ClassicBoatwork ClassicBoatwork wrote:

arg.. I don't understand these links I guess...


Yeah...still needs a little work

Here you go.

http://www.classicboatwork.com/classicparts/gauges/airguide/agr/agr.html" rel="nofollow - Air Guide Service

http://www.classicboatwork.com/classicparts/gauges/airguide/gps/gpsretro.html" rel="nofollow - Air Guide to GPS info

http://www.classicboatwork.com/form/gpsform.html" rel="nofollow - Inquiry Form

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-19-2013 at 2:05pm
Dean, go ahead and quote Larry's post above, you'll see where everything fits.

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: February-19-2013 at 2:05pm
Thank you!


Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: February-19-2013 at 2:13pm
I think I see my errant ways... I added the quotes to my link and your software does that automatically.


Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: March-27-2013 at 9:10pm
I have finished my first pair of GPS retro-fits.
I took the pair out this morning in our car and they track together great.


Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: March-28-2013 at 10:37am
The sweep on the flush-mount only goes to 40mph? I thought it was going to go to at least 47?

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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: March-28-2013 at 10:46am
Originally posted by bhectus bhectus wrote:

The sweep on the flush-mount only goes to 40mph? I thought it was going to go to at least 47?


The flush mount pictured is a "fancy" Electro-Speedo....... not a typical flush mount pitot-driven Airguide which has a dial that is calibrated to 50 MPH.

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-28-2013 at 12:59pm
It looks like the optional electronic speedo from around 1980.

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Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: March-28-2013 at 2:05pm
HW is right on. Wasn't there a set of those on ebay a few weeks ago?

That GPS is tempting. I would like to fill in all the pitot holes on my transom and never have to worry again.

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Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: March-28-2013 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

HW is right on. Wasn't there a set of those on ebay a few weeks ago?

That GPS is tempting. I would like to fill in all the pitot holes on my transom and never have to worry again.


Now that is the right kind of thinking!

Someone told me the Electro Marine was used for only three years. Paddle wheel?


Posted By: ClassicBoatwork
Date Posted: March-29-2013 at 4:24pm
nautic Laugic did a pretty good video on the installation process.
I cringe when he tells you to cut off the nipple on the diaphragm though!!
I have never seen that plastic frame before.   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axiv4Gw_N2M&feature=youtu.be%20" rel="nofollow - Video
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Posted By: Dank
Date Posted: March-29-2013 at 5:04pm
So how much are you selling the DIY kit for?

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Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

It looks like the optional electronic speedo from around 1980.


My 1980 came with the Electronic Speedo, but I replaced it with an Water Pressure Air Guide. I am thinking that 1980 was the only year that this was offered .

Very Cool Stuff.

Donald


Posted By: Wet-N-Frugal
Date Posted: April-09-2013 at 9:37pm
More info on the GPS upgrade:
You can see the 'fluidity' of the needle movement on this you-tube video. The video walks thru the Calibration Procedure. For a 5 to 50 MPH gauge, Cal points are sampled starting at 10 MPH, upward every 5 MPH, the last point at 45 (Full Scale minus 5 MPH). The result is an accurate speed report across the full 50 MPH.
http://youtu.be/SwXAfIttEQM


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Posted By: cphase
Date Posted: April-09-2013 at 9:44pm


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Posted By: winniskier
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 8:16am
I am considering a speedometer conversion to GPS as I am too cheap to jump all the way to a Perfect Pass.

Please send current thoughts about an Nautic Logic upgrade.

I prefer an internal GPS receiver. Nautic Logic claims that the internal and external receivers have the same excellent reception. Do you agree?

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 9:19am
You lose the Nautique face on the internal receiver- it comes with a generic one (presumably pre-calibrated). I and several others have run the external receiver version for a while, they work great. Smooth, reliable and great customer service from NauticLaugic. I added a 2nd one this winter.


Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 10:19am
If you ski I couldn't imagine not having Perfect Pass. I was hesitant for the longest time until I started skiing other boats with PP/ZO.

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Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by ClassicBoatwork ClassicBoatwork wrote:

I need some input. One of the limitations I am running into for the Airguide retrofit is the total sweep of the needle motor is 315 degrees.
On a 3 to 50 mph dial, like most of you have, the needle has to do one of two things.

1. To reach 50mph the needle comes to rest at 5 mph.
2. If the needle settles at the post or 3 mph it will not quite reach 50 mph, the needle will top out at 47 or 48 mph.

How big of a deal is this? I know if I were calibrating for myself I would let the needle set at the post. I have never had a boat that would actually go 50 mph! Does yours?
The gps will actually read up to 200 mph. The limitation is the scale not being over 315 degrees. It appears that finding a motor that will cover a broader range of degrees is problematical
but I am not certain about this.

In YOUR opinion is this a problem that should be resolved before further development?

Thank you for your input,
Dean


My take is that there's nobody concerned with speeds below 10, but there are quite a few boat owners who travel just below or very close to 50 (my SS will hit 48). I'd rather be able to read high end then hit the post on the low end.


Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 12:34pm
This thread is 3 years old, not a relevant discussion as the product is already out there.

If you need to read the upper 40's and higher with accuracy, you can go to a 60mph, 80mph or a custom face with a custom scale if you want... the GPS gauge can be calibrated to any scale you'd like. I am running a custom 80mph scale on my BFN... reads accurately into the 60's.


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

This thread is 3 years old, not a relevant discussion as the product is already out there. .

Yes, let's just forget about all the new members who have come on since the old post!

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Posted By: LaurelLakeSkier
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by winniskier winniskier wrote:

I am considering a speedometer conversion to GPS as I am too cheap to jump all the way to a Perfect Pass.

Please send current thoughts about an Nautic Logic upgrade.

I prefer an internal GPS receiver. Nautic Logic claims that the internal and external receivers have the same excellent reception. Do you agree?
I've had great success with NauticLogic! I tied their gps speedo/receiver into a Perfect Pass system to avoid adding a paddle wheel and the hole it would require. A great system. Since then I've put a set of their GPS speedos in my FlightCraft to replace the AirGuides—I'm quite happy with both systems.

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

This thread is 3 years old, not a relevant discussion as the product is already out there. .

Yes, let's just forget about all the new members who have come on

Happy to talk about the speedo all you want, but it is too late to influence the design considerations as that was set in stone many years ago. Geez you need some reading comprehension help sometimes Pete!


Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 1:08pm
That's pretty clear, Tim. Oh well. First thing to go....well....maybe second.


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

   it is too late to influence the design considerations as that was set in stone many years ago.

I'm glad to hear your model T is still running well Yup, design considerations never come to play after development since they are "set in stone".

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-17-2017 at 1:52pm
If Henry Ford stopped in and was soliciting feedback on how to improve his prototype before putting it into production, then I'd say you missed the boat Pete.

You're not going to re-engineer this GPS conversion kit at this point in order to gain 3mph worth of travel. That feedback was already presented, and the design was finalized in 2013.

There are other options to work around this limitation that I mentioned. Your argumentativeness is not exactly helpful.


Posted By: winniskier
Date Posted: March-30-2017 at 9:56pm
Meanwhile back at the ranch, I've been given the chance to buy a never-used 2010 Precision Star GPS Speedometer rather than undertake a conversion. Perfect Pass says that the original 2010 speedometers updated 1 time per second, (1 Hz), the new ones have a 5 Hz GPS, and the 2010 model should work well, just has a slower refresh speed when accelerating. Is this a model T or last year's model? Do you think there will be a meaningful difference?

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