If one Flyhigh is good, two is better!
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Topic: If one Flyhigh is good, two is better!
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Subject: If one Flyhigh is good, two is better!
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 1:19am
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No tower needed. Today I set up and tested my Double Stack Super Flyhigh. I got a 2nd Stainless steel Flyhigh and pulled the cables out, put it on the pylon then put the 2nd Flyhigh on top of it then let out and ran the cables to the front bow strap like normal and viola Super Flyhigh! It's 11.5 feet off my floor. Sets up, takes down in same time as it takes to set up a pylon extension. Just have to run a leader because you can't climb it. Worked like a charm. Happened to have a 250lb footer and after I skied it at my buckfifty we had him go and torture test it, it did flex a bit but nothing crazy, Willie skied some wakes with it at 45, the wake is super nice. I'll get some pics and vids this week maybe. ------------- This is the life |
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Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 1:26am
| I often wondered why that would not be a suitable replacement. Looking forward to pics. |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 2:56am
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Any side to side pull? ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 4:20am
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The only time I really watched it was with the 250lb guy on it and during his deepwater it flexed as he went over the wake cheeking hard to get outside once he was up it relaxed and as he did 2 foot wakes at 45 it looked like it would move back and forth about 2-3 inches but nothing that you can feel while skiing. It's not ideal but it works and looks OK. and comes right down easily. I set it up following a friend's pattern where he used one of BI's alum flyhighs and he had to cut off the cables(i just slid them out of the SS flyhigh and can put it back together no harm) then he put the ss on top. I did SS on SS and it looks more uniform and I did adjust the cables out so it looks exactly like it would on just one. There is a mid tow point and a low. It's a cleaner look I think. I'll get em posted soon this one I posted a while ago is Jerry Kanawyer's being used at a competition.  ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 10:54am
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Looks great! You could also add a jib! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 12:06pm
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Andy, I have to ask why so high? Is the friend of your's competing pro? I didn't realize pro's needed that much "crutch"? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 12:50pm
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The barefooters put a fly high on a tower so there must be something to pulling from that high up. My kids discovered the slalom course and a standard pylon is all we use. Fly high sits in the garage unless we have wakeboard guests. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 3:30pm
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Why do pro wakeboarders "need" a tower? Is it a crutch for them too? I guess it must be. Yes, pro barefooters are setting world records on the Super Fly High. Yes, it is approved for International competition. Years ago! Here is what you will see at a United States barefoot tournament these days. So you can either ski on the 7 ft or the low pole or the SFH. It's your choice. Most competitors want any edge they can get. So guess where everybody is hooking their ropes.  ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 4:04pm
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More float Pete, you should try one with the tube. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 4:59pm
Don, As soon as the ice is off the lake, I'll be sure to try it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
TX Foilhead wrote:Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 5:37pm
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Here's the rule: D) Points of Attachment. Towboats shall be equipped with towing attachment points on the centerline of the towboat with a minimum of two heights. Text0: 1) Mandatory Lower Attachment Point. When the towboat is standing still with no occupants aboard, the lower attachment point shall be a minimum of 65 cm and a maximum of 1.2m. Text0: 2) Mandatory Middle Attachment Point. When the towboat is standing still with no occupants aboard, the middle attachment point shall be a minimum of 2.0m and the maximum of 2.25m above the water. Text0: 3) Optional High Attachment Point. When the towboat is standing still with no occupants aboard, an optional attachment point shall be permitted to be located approximately 4.0m above the water. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 6:44pm
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I have already had a tower and SFH on my competition barefoot towboat, I did not like the tower so this Double Stack lets me fully outfit my competition barefoot towboat without a tower allowing for the low, med, and high tow points. And it all comes right down and stores away easily. Alot of different "redneck" superflyhighs have been seen and I wanted to do it with off the shelf parts without altering them or the boat permanently in any way. This is a possible solution for others. It cost me $360 to get high. Everybody else pays $3000.   ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 7:33pm
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For those considering the SFH, it adds weight and makes a cumbersome tower fold even more if you have to for storage. I like the non constricting/obstucting double pole idea. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: March-31-2013 at 9:09pm
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Consider this: When the SFH was being considered one of the big complaints was cost, 1k for a tower extension(SFH) and you needed a tower that it could mount to 2 to 3k more. If anyone had taken the time to simply figure out that you could take a 2nd Flyhigh and stack them up (It's just too simple!) how many towers and SFH's would have been sold? yes, some would have, and the tower with the SFH IS an AWESOME set up, very stout. But alot of people would be double stacked and they will be. You can pick up used Flyhighs for cheap, all you need are the poles if you have a flyhigh already. I should note that this is all to fit a 2.5 inch pylon. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: turningpoint84
Date Posted: April-01-2013 at 2:26pm
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-01-2013 at 2:40pm
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The double stack has been around, nothing new. A 1 piece custom pylon extension might even be cheaper. Tournament skiers have fallen into the trap of "needing" the ridiculously high pull now since the competition is likely using it. Besides "records" it really doesn't matter. Ski better than everyone else, no matter what the conditions. ------------- |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-01-2013 at 4:14pm
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Double stack has been around? Really? where? who? when? Nobody foots on the low pole anymore and nothing is stopping them. Why? perception? maybe. Skiing better than everyone else will always be the way to win. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-01-2013 at 4:25pm
I believe his point was that of course everyone is going to use the higher tow point, if given the choice. It makes everything easier! No one chooses the low pole in competition because it puts them at a disadvantage. Are we seeing a new breed of tricks that are being driven by the higher tow point? (I have no idea). I can certainly see the higher tow point being useful as a training tool, or fun to goof around with... seems like its almost cheating to be able to use it in competition though. Im surprised its become the standard. ------------- |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: April-01-2013 at 4:26pm
One of those kind of fundamental ideas. Reminds of when I used to follow Nascar a little closer than I do now. The commentator asks the driver what is the most important consideration in today's race. Typical answer: "Oh, in this race, that would be track position" In other words, being in first place. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-01-2013 at 11:10pm
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As a matter of fact it has hatched a new breed of tricks. I think that between 3 and 5 new tricks were just invented and submitted and assigned point values which were just increased due to the difficulty(which they under-estimated). They are variations of the sideslide and associated with ADV. The sideslide actually has been done for years, there are pictures of Scarpa in the Second edition of John Gillette's Barefooting that shows Scarpa sidesliding on a level boom directly and off a 5ft handle. It was never a recognized trick for whatever reason(stubborness?) Have any of you barefooted on the 4M pole? I'm just curious. The comments kinda indicate: NO. "Everything" is not easier. Some things are easier. (A rookie learning longline backdeeps is probably benefited the most by it) All I will say is that if you can't do it on the 7ft or the 3ft you are not going to just go do it on the SFH. It's not THAT much "easier" except in the imagination (but perception becomes reality so I'm dying to see what you guys can do on one! since it's so easy! It's cheating! Aren't you curious what tricks you will suddenly be able to do!?) After extensive footing on a tower(7ft) and a SFH (~14ft) and the low pole(3ft)--- I'll just say it's a lot more fun but it isn't much easier if you don't know what you are doing. I won't be going back to a 3 foot pylon any time soon though either. As far as it being cheating it's available to everyone to use so it can't possibly be cheating, playing field is level. If you can't do them now you are not going to get on a SFH and do anything new without learning it the old fashioned way- skiing on your feet. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-01-2013 at 11:26pm
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If the super tall pylon doesn't provide the same effect as a high boom when skiing on the 5', then you can disregard my comments. I'm sure it makes everything easier just like the 8' pylons are easier than the low pole. I wouldn't turn down a pull! I do find it interesting that these 12' poles are becoming the 'new normal' in competition, that's all. Seems like it would be more of a training aid. ------------- |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: April-01-2013 at 11:58pm
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I used to cosider booms training aids, and advanced footers shouldnt be using them routinely, only to learn a new trick and then immediately move the trick to long line. I thought those who used booms just to perform were taking the easy way out. I have very much changed my line of thinking tho. Traditional 3 event barefooting is great and should stick around, but that is not to say that a different branch of the sport can not evolve. I think advance level footing off a boom (and SFH) is just an evolution of the sport. It brings the skier to the audience (those in the boat) plus allows much better video opportunity. Plus (and especially in concert with a SFH) opens a whole new spectrum of tricks: various boat starts, hand stands (or whatever they are called) and advanced ADV tricks off the SFH. I have to say that the thrill wore off watching the tricks evolve, but then one day I was watching an Andre video and he did a dolphin start to back and an ADV to back and I thought, well that is pretty impressive. I am just making a case here for Andy's arguement that using a boom (and a SFH) has allowed the sport, or at least the freestyle aspect of it, the aspect that seems to get the most attention these days) to evolve and grow and if long line off a SFH is an extension of that growth into conventional long line trick runs, why not? ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 12:06am
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What effect are you talking about? Are you saying having a high boom is making everything easier? try a tumbleturn on a high boom and tell me how easy it was compared to a lower pull. A high boom is no good for a whole bunch of tricks. It is to learn sideslides mostly. The high pole is here to stay.  ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 12:13am
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William Farrell won't do turns on the boom because they are too hard there, it's easier longline. Whaddya think of that? ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 12:42am
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I guess it's kind of funny that I have moved the rope down to the low pole just for kicks and I can still do everything on the longline that I can do with an elevated towpoint so perhaps it is all perception. It just feels awkward when you get used to a higher pull and then go low. And for people used to a low pull a high one feels awkward. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 1:02am
At least now I can cruise around without a tower or anything on my boat if I want to. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 1:21am
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The biggest mistake a barefooter can make is to think he has graduated from the boom. That will be the end of learning anything new. I'm aware of some peoples attitudes about "boom skiers" or as HW puts it "dangling from a boom" and my opinion on that is you have to learn somewhere, somehow, some pretty impossible barefoot tricks get learned dangling from a boom, I'm living proof, learning the sideslide at 48 years old dangling from a boom and now I am probably the only 51 year old doing a longline sideslide in the country...maybe the worLD muhhahahaha ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 10:56am
It all comes down to the advancement of the sport......and I am all for that. I personally can't wait to get me some piece of a SFH!!!!! 
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 11:34am
Is that a trick question? Does the higher pull not make the vast majority of tricks easier by taking pressure off the feet? Maybe Im totally missing something. Ive never used an extremely high boom, but have played with "reasonable" angles plenty. I find tumbles on a moderately angled boom much easier than the long line- long line low pole being the toughest. Of course, tricks where the more extreme line angle fight you are easier with a lower attachment point (toe holds, etc). Theres a youtube video of Andre's brother using a comically high boom... to the point where flips look almost easy. Thats the extreme end of the spectrum we're talking about, I think. I dont think anyone is attacking you, but you seem to be taking the comments a little personally? I think the higher pulls are great training tools and fun to play around with- it sure makes the freestyle videos on youtube more fun to watch! Im all for the lack of a tower on a boat as well, so kudos there. I just find it interesting that the 12' attachment points are becoming the standard for conventional tournaments. It seems the natural progression of things would have you learning tricks on the boom, then graduating to the SFH, then graduating to the FH (or even low pole), with each step being incrementally more difficult. Clearly the higher tow point isnt going to make an average footer a great one (heck, look at me  ).Anyone know whether the SFH's are allowed in barefoot racing? Seems like that would provide a pretty big competitive advantage. We notice a big difference in how far/long we can foot just going from the low tow point to the FH. ------------- |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 12:02pm
They aren't the most attrative addition to a ski boat. Has the optimum height been realized yet? I think booms and FHs are great as I've watched my kids make fairly quick progress from not knowing how to barefoot at all to being comfortable on the boom to long line. |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 12:08pm
Yes  ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 12:23pm
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I am just a little worried about the safety of it. I have been standing next to a sail boat mast that buckled and it was the closest I have come to death (and believe me I have done a lot of stupid things). What does the joint look like between the two tubes? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 2:43pm
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Slip joints, Stainless steel tube...there are 4 slip joints total. I was more than just a little worried with that 250lber on there but it looked fine. I don't think this will make it on to the long list of stupid things I've done. Maximum height has been set by the rules. 4.0 Meters. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 3:01pm
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I have no idea if it's allowed in the barefoot racing. My guess would be be that it would be allowed. Seems like racing has dwindled since Chuck lost his finger. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 3:03pm
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The tow plane photo is a perfect illustration: Do any of you think there is any less weight on his feet? ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 3:04pm
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A high pull from a bouncing boat sure sucks. This is also a reason I prefer PE rope over spectra. Andy has made mention if this as well, how Willie still uses it because its got some stretch. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 3:06pm
Physics says yes. Please tell us more about this lost finger. ------------- |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 3:18pm
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I'm not aware of the exact details but during a race last year or year before Chuck lost a finger to the rope somehow. Please then do the physics and tell me if a 75 foot rope hooked to a 4M high pole is able to reduce the 150lbs of the skier's weight and by how much. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 3:26pm
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A general statement skiers have made is that it feels like it adds 2 mph I'd say it feels like it increases your margin of error (Barefooting is always skiing on the edge of disaster) I think the place I notice it the most is front one foot wakes feel "safer" ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 3:26pm
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As long as there is tension in the rope the answer is yes. You would need to calculate the drag (probably impossible to do), measure the tension in the rope (much easier) or measure the stretch of the rope (with known properties) under such skiing condition to get a close enough answer. You get me one of these 3 and ill do the math! The answer is absolutely yes Andy. ------------- |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 3:36pm
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my guess would be that the rope is not inclined enough to reduce the skiers weight on the water by even 1 pound. I've skied it enough to know too. here's 245 feet of rope drooping while I ski on it.  ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 4:03pm
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Please be wary of the using mid-attachment point - the mast sections could buckle without cable support there. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 4:09pm
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Outboards are bouncy compared to inboards. It's surges on the end of the line which is worse with stretchy rope and skiing backwards. Willie told me that when we put Mike Corral (250lbs)out there it was going to stand my Sanger DX inboard up and then bounce up to speed. I just laughed and said "It ain't no Malibu Willie" as Willie accelerated even with a 12ft pole the Sanger jumped immediately on plane and took off no bounce. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 4:15pm
I may add a cable or two along the length, but we watched that and tested that mid towpoint too and it did not move. I think we will get out tomorrow and I will take pictures at least if not video. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 4:21pm
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Not to throw a wrench in here but if a 12' fly high is so great why then do they not sell one? Why not add 3 or 4 together if higher is better. If you got the rope high enough I bet your feet wouldn't even touch the water. Thus another new trick! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 4:30pm
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Because they want to sell you a tower and an extension for 3000. 2 together is rickety enough, 3 or 4 it would be leaning over. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 5:02pm
Its a small amendment to enhance the sport. Kind of like surfers who go out and buy a $130,000 boat and then add a $3000 NSS to enhance a 10 mph, stand there on a board like a lump, sport. Well, no, maybe its not like that at all. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 5:07pm
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I went ahead and assumed line tension to be equal to the skier's weight. This calculates to a 17.4% lightening effect skiing a 75' line 4m off the water (which is ~10 degrees). weight loss = line tension x (pull height/rope length) ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 5:29pm
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So what your saying is to make things equal, when I foot next to HW his line should be tied to the underside of the platform and mine should be on the super fly me higher!! |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 6:35pm
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I think the math is fuzzy, get out there and barefoot on the high pole and then tell me how much "lighter" you are on the water. I don't feel lighter. There is some low pole footing in here, some SN wake crossing(treacherous) and alot of footing. I owe tons of thanks to Roy for putting all the videos up on the tube. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 7:00pm
I feel lighter. I notice that I can foot farther, or the same distance with less fatigue, when using a higher tow point. Thats just physics. Hopefully Joe will draw a free body diagram for us... Im a little rusty.  ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 7:14pm
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You are certainly entitled to your feel, but the free body diagram doesn't lie. I already threw the FBD I drew with the trigonometry in the recycling bin. An experienced footer going as fast as you do just might not feel it. I ski from a variety of heights and line lengths. Come ski 90' from the waterline with me... You might feel a difference. When I need to get my DXII SFH fix I ski with 2 from this picture.  ------------- |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 8:44pm
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Now Those girls are more than 17.4% lighter LOL ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-02-2013 at 8:47pm
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Look at Billy Nichols endurance record, low pole, 2 hours and 45 minutes... ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: April-16-2013 at 8:59pm
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I ski with one of them in the picture too(not the same two as Hollywood) ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-16-2013 at 11:57pm
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I've been a slacker with my camera lately but the Double Stack has worked just fine, easy to set up and take down, looks decent, satisfies my friends who ski on tower extensions. As I understand it one of the towerless boats at Nationals this year will be outfitted with a double stack. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-17-2013 at 12:00am
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It will be this one from the beginning of the thread. Probably set up exactly like it is here. [/QUOTE] ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: Foot_Fungus
Date Posted: April-17-2013 at 2:00am
Speaking of mathematics depending on which 2 you choose I'd wonder if their avg. age was over 17.4 lol. ------------- '94SN Restoration underway... |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-17-2013 at 12:51pm
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That's what I love about these high school girls man. ------------- |
Posted By: Toothstud
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 1:21am
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if the position of the rope does not affect how "light" you feel on the water, I'd like to try an underwater attachment. In all seriousness, theres different forces involved in the above scenario. The tension of the rope provides a combination of 2 forces, horizontal and vertical. A low pull provides mostly horizontal force, and as you raise the height of attachment, vertical forces are increased. Whether that increase in vertical force is felt by the skier is subjective and depends on a lot more factors that I'm sure most non physicists/engineers are aware of. ------------- '88 SN 2001 |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 2:31pm
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My standard pylon is 27 inches off the floor so when barefooting off the standard pylon the rope goes down from your hands to the pylon. After skiing on the 12 foot pole I have moved it down to standard pylon and it "seems" like the rope does go under the boat! ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 2:09am
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hey andy you still in picture debt!!! lol ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 3:38am
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yep I'll fix it...Footin' Friday! Sunny 80 little wind should be good for pics. 4 footers. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: May-03-2013 at 11:27pm
ta da   Bonus pictures! What's SUP ???   ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-04-2013 at 12:17am
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i like it! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: May-04-2013 at 12:26am
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Sweet, all of it... ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: May-04-2013 at 10:12am
| I can see where the bonus pictures and the super long poles work together really well!!! |