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Topic: FRAM.colors got me thinking
Posted By: Guests
Subject: FRAM.colors got me thinking
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 11:37am
Since my raft has Fram colors,, Should I trade it in?



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Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 12:02pm
I'd say you were good. That's about the only good thing a tube is good for. However, I'm gonna say you lose a few points for those empty beverage holders; you need to load em up like a gunbelt.

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Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 1:50pm
It looks like she has a single round in the chamber. Isn't that a Corona bottle screen left? That tube looks very comfortable. I wonder if it is "Pete Approved"

By the way, are Fram filters REALLY that bad? I don't think so. They sell them by the kijjilions, and there aren't a corresponding number of engine failures out there.   


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 2:00pm
davidg.. Most all on here say NO-to fram...So, I will be switching mine out.. Another poster... claims that he cuts his filters open ,, To see after use,, Told me to stay away from Fram.. He rebuild motors like I change my shoes... Which can be a lot...


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 2:03pm
david.. The person is Cadunkle,,, Nice guy--- SAID_STAY AWAY... And so did Pete.. so if those 2 are lining up toghether, best to stay clear,, of fram..


Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:


By the way, are Fram filters REALLY that bad?   



Now you are just stirring the pot.






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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 2:38pm
I was shopping for my filter the other day, and since moving, could not get my standard that I have used for years. In the interest of retaining my membership here, I avoided Fram, but in looking at others, saw that others referred to paper elements. I thought the paper element was the feature that made Frams undesirable.

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Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:

Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:


By the way, are Fram filters REALLY that bad?   



Now you are just stirring the pot.






Perhaps a bit, but, I don't have any issues running Fram Filters. I quite honestly think this is a bit of urban legend. I run both Motorcraft and Fram. No issues with my engines.

Of course, I don't run much over 3,000 rpm for tubing, so I may not be stressing the filter as much as others do


Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 2:53pm
Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

Isn't that a Corona bottle screen left? That tube looks very comfortable. I wonder if it is "Pete Approved"

By the way, are Fram filters REALLY that bad? I don't think so. They sell them by the kijjilions, and there aren't a corresponding number of engine failures out there.   


First - NEVER use GLASS bottles at the lake, pool, ect...

Second - In the 70s fram WAS top shelf stuff. Today they are
manufactured as cheap as possible.

Plastic by-pass valve.

2/3 filter material of a NAPA oil filter.

If the money is equal and I KNOW one brand is better than another
or a brand is cheaper that another, myself, I'll ALWAYS go with the better quality.

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Posted By: wwchevy
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by eljayrx eljayrx wrote:

Since my raft has Fram colors,, Should I trade it in?


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Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by Waterdog Waterdog wrote:

     Plastic by-pass valve.

    


And what is wrong with plastic sir??

Just kidding. I make my living in the wonderful world of plastics. I think they use 33% glass filled nylon 66 in a lot of those filters. Same material used in all sorts of underhood components, and auto tranmission filters. It is tried and true. And, there are suppliers out there that try to make it as "inexpensively" as possible because industry is so competitive, everybody wants their materials cheap, cheap, cheap!!! It still has to meet certain specs though for automotive use.

The thing that caught my eye is the fact there is only 2/3 the filter media. That is probably more of an issue than the plastic.


Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by Waterdog Waterdog wrote:

    

If the money is equal and I KNOW one brand is better than another
or a brand is cheaper that another, myself, I'll ALWAYS go with the better quality.


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Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: April-18-2013 at 8:51pm
So this is available in other older threads (using the search command), but this was one of the studies, that really shed the light on Fram - its a very detailed tear down analysis:

http://wetwesties1.tripod.com/oilfilterstudy/" rel="nofollow - Oil Filter Analysis

Or you skip the analysis and go directly to:
http://wetwesties1.tripod.com/oilfilterstudy/oilfilters.html#recommended" rel="nofollow - Recommended Filters
http://wetwesties1.tripod.com/oilfilterstudy/oilfilters.html#avoid" rel="nofollow - FIlters to Avoid

I noticed this study is getting pretty old (it wasn't when I first ran across it WAY too many years ago now). Probably time to go out and do some research again...

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Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 12:58am
Steve.....great info on filters. I hadn't seen that before. I was actually thinking of going out and buying a Fram and a Motorcraft and cutting them apart to check the main design differences. Thankfully this guy did all the hard work.

I have a friend who manages an O'Reilly's Parts store. I will pick his brain to see what a parts guy has to say about filters, and Fram in particular.


Posted By: OldSchoolBlue84
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 1:15am
Does this include FRAM fuel filter/separator as well? Is there another manufacture? I ordered one for my 84 and noticed it was FRAM, but original. Thanks

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Posted By: jbach
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 1:57am
Originally posted by skutsch skutsch wrote:

So this is available in other older threads (using the search command), but this was one of the studies, that really shed the light on Fram - its a very detailed tear down analysis:

http://wetwesties1.tripod.com/oilfilterstudy/" rel="nofollow - Oil Filter Analysis

Or you skip the analysis and go directly to:
http://wetwesties1.tripod.com/oilfilterstudy/oilfilters.html#recommended" rel="nofollow - Recommended Filters
http://wetwesties1.tripod.com/oilfilterstudy/oilfilters.html#avoid" rel="nofollow - FIlters to Avoid

I noticed this study is getting pretty old (it wasn't when I first ran across it WAY too many years ago now). Probably time to go out and do some research again...


I would say that is a bit dated being 13 years old. Oils have changed a lot in 13 years too. Fram is now probably one of the best on the market from what I've seen from Jeep people who are far more anal about maintenance than us boat people. They were also on the screw Fram bandwagon until a couple years ago. That being said, I've always used Wix and I'm s ticking with it.


Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 9:18am
I cut apart a used puralator from one of our cars. Punched a hole in it & let it drain for a day, then sawed off the can.    I was just curious after reading all of this banter for 5 years. It was OK inside (no cardboard), would buy it again.    It was interesting to see the pattern of crud on the pleats - it was only slightly dirty.

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Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 11:06am
Originally posted by OldSchoolBlue84 OldSchoolBlue84 wrote:

Does this include FRAM fuel filter/separator as well? Is there another manufacture? I ordered one for my 84 and noticed it was FRAM, but original. Thanks


I went with a NAPA fuel filter/water seperator instead of the Fram when I changed mine out a couple years ago. I have the part # written down at home in my owners manual so I can post it here if need be. I may have posted it once here before so you may try a search to find it.

I've always gone with Autocraft filter after hearing and seeing that thread on Oil filters and how bad Fram was. Yes they may have changed but the Autocraft filters are just as easy to find as Frams so why bother.

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Posted By: baitkiller
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 11:43am
Opinion on Bosch filters?
I have been running them lately although I have an open NAPA wholesale account, I can still get my chosen oil cheaper at Wally world or Costco. WW stocks Fram or Bosch. I chose the Bosch just in case I accidentally post a photo of my engine.

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Posted By: baitkiller
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 11:47am
Originally posted by baitkiller baitkiller wrote:

Opinion on Bosch filters?
I have been running them lately although I have an open NAPA wholesale account, I can still get my chosen oil cheaper at Wally world or Costco. WW stocks Fram or Bosch. I chose the Bosch just in case I accidentally post a photo of my engine.




OK I read the study above and the Bosch is very good.

I guess I could have done that first.

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Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 6:48pm
Again, as I pointed out and Jbach reitterated, that material should now be considered dated. Have not had time to update my research but there must be some newer tear down analysis - just no time to look...

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Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: April-19-2013 at 8:01pm
More FRAM reading:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/eating-crow-fram-oil-filters-my-visit-frams-r-d-facility-dayton-ohio-1261517/" rel="nofollow - http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/eating-crow-fram-oil-filters-my-visit-frams-r-d-facility-dayton-ohio-1261517/

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Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: April-20-2013 at 2:48am
Gary....That is good info on Fram. As I suspected, people seem to want to beat up on Fram, and its the stuff of urban legend. I am sure their filters are just fine. Oh well! Let's just discuss politics, religion, or which oil is the best

I got the oil changed in my car today, and I asked the owner of the Merlin's which filter he thought was best, and he said Wix. He said something about a company called Champion Labs that made a lot of the filters on the market today. My guess is you have a few contract manufacturers, and they make filters for the whole market, with color and slight design differences for each brand name.



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