rope snap back=ER trip
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Topic: rope snap back=ER trip
Posted By: skirunt
Subject: rope snap back=ER trip
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 9:04pm
Anyone heard of rope snap back??? I was learning how to wake board this weekend(having a hard time getting up) The rope handle recoiled into the boat and hit my wife in the head who was driving. When I got in the boat there was a lot blood and I was looking at two inches of her skull. We got a lift to the hospital in Johnson city via ambulance. Two CT scans later, she didn't have a skull fracture, obviously a lot of stitches were required. She has lost all of her hearing in her right ear and a little in her left, she also has vertigo and balance issues.  We were using a wakeboard rope. I have skied for the past twenty years never had anything like this happen. Anyone ever experienced rope snap back to this degree?? I am currently looking for a new driver. Pay is min. with no hazard pay and must carry own medical insurance ... brain damage is possible.  Anyone in TN Mountains need apply. On the other side where would I get GT40 heads for a 93 HO ??? ------------- 79 nautique 93 nautique |
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Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 9:13pm
I think most here would have. If you have been around water sports, you've dodged a handle. Sorry to hear about your wife. Hope she recovers quickly and this does not affect her desire for skiing. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
skirunt wrote:Posted By: Smithfamily
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 9:18pm
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Never happened to us, ever. However when dragging the line in the water after a fall, to return to skier, it will drag and "catapult" forward some, never even close to the boat. Good you still have a sense of humor, while your wife is possibly plotting to have attempted murder charges brought against you, divorce, and own that boat, wakeboard and all you have!!! Better get her some flowers!! ------------- Js |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 9:26pm
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Flowers, chocolate, jewelry, lots of jewelry. Hope she is OK. ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 9:42pm
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Slingshots happen when you hang onto the rope too long after the point of no return. Acceptable in a pro tournament, and the reason you used to see optional safe-t tops and nets on tour boats in the 80s and 90s. Much less acceptable in a recreational setting. When you fall, let go! Here's hoping for a speedy recovery. ------------- |
Posted By: Got Tiques
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 12:57am
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I use a shock tube on the rope at the pylon which has a chance of deflecting the projectile handle away from the passengers. But I've seen a bloody lip when the rope snapped and just 1/2 f the rope recoiled into the center front seat observer. I've also shattered the mirror on the 88 at Tyler Lake, many years ago, as there is always a fine line between trying to pull it out and hanging on too long. Hollywood has experience with both. Best wishes to your wife! Todd ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4811" rel="nofollow - '78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: baitkiller
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 7:46am
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Somehow this would be all my fault. You will never ever ever hear the end of it.... ever. I hope she gets better soon and the ER didnt hack up her hair doo. You are in deep Bandini my friend. How deep remains to be seen. You said "wake board rope" I have never heard of the Dyneema cored or other zero stretch ropes snapping back... Hmm Ill have to investigate. I always thought that was trait of stretchy or poly ski ropes.. ------------- Jesus was a bare-footer............. |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 9:35am
Kinda unusual to see and hear about a zero stretch rope slingshotting back into the boat but I guess anything can happen. I sure hope your wife is okay and tell her the guys here are wishing her a speedy recovery. That had to hurt!  I've often wondered about the shock tubes and wheter or not I should use one. I did notice that all the slalom skiers in the masters were using them. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 9:48am
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Morfoot, A couple of years ago at White Lake you were behind that new 200. Townsend was driving and I was in the observer’s seat , the rope broke , recoiled into the boat and ended up in my lap – remember? ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 10:11am
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Shoot me an E-mail--- I'll take that challenge!-( Being the driver ) I'll get you up on that wakeboard in no time--- even it we have to pull the Skylark out  Again- Tell the wife- we all hope she makes a speady recovery .... Oak Hollow Lake in High Point will be Ground Zero...... ------------- 66 Skylark http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5041" rel="nofollow - 93 SN If you're not living in NC, you're just camping out! |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 10:18am
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I am glad she is recovering. The site store sells the shock tubes that some have spoken about on this thread. I have one, but have not used it in several years. However, I will start using it again. Guys, Would pulling from the BI High Fly help reduce the chances of this happening or just increase the chances of it happening? I realize that you can not go too far outside of the wake when being pulled on the High Fly, but we are skiing right behind the boat for now as we ( Family) are all learning to carve it up. Donald |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 11:01am
If my understanding of the shock tube is correct it's not going to prevent the handle from springing back. I believe it's there to prevent the first few feet of rope from looping around the driver in the event of a recoil. Sorry to hear about your mishap and hope she's doing better. Tell her guys dig scars! ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 11:14am
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Happened to my dad about 15 years ago. Hit him in the side of the head while he was driving. Luckily my mom was in the boat to drive it back...he couldn't speak English for 12 hours. Vomiting after standing a minute, was in the hospital for a couple days! Anytime we have a new/bigger skier I put them on a no stretch cable rope. Hope she's doing better! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 11:18am
Now that you mention it;..... I do... Isn't your memory the first thing that goes...or is it your eyesight?...... I forget!
Makes since Alan, I do know that a shock tube won't prevent a handle from recoiling back. I thought that through some sort of weird physics law that the tube reduced recoil somehow.  ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 11:34am
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Used to send ropes back in and/or over the boat quite often years ago including a few head shots, took a chunk of gel out of the stern once. Hasn't happened in years and always attributed it to better quality ropes. Perhaps one of you guy's in the rope know could list the best lines for slalom (skiing) and wakeboard that would reduce the chance of recoil. Hope your wife is doing OK Runt |
Posted By: skirunt
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 1:37pm
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This is Dave ( SkiRunts) wife. There is nothing to forgive, it was an awful accident. Trust me, no one could beat Dave more up over it than he's already doing to himself. I will tell you I was was very lucky, this was a glancing frontal lobe blow. If it had hit me in in the side, back or dead on, things would have been much worse. I didn't see it coming and it literally sounded like the world exploded in my head. Thank you for the well wishes. I still am having hearing/neurological problems and have a consult today at UNC. So everyone please becareful whether you are the one in or out of the boat. This stuff happens quick and has the potential to be very detrimental to everyone involved. ------------- 79 nautique 93 nautique |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 2:39pm
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You take care there Dave's wife. You are a trooper, I'm sure glad you aren't blaming, you are right it was an aweful accident. Wishing you a full and fast recovery, hopefully it will just be a story to tell leaving no lasting effects. Make sure your wakeboard ropes are spectra or dyneema. They will not stretch or recoil. It's the Poly P that will stretch and shoot back into the boat. Could we clarify what rope was being used, it was said it was a "wakeboard rope" which should have been spectra or dyneema...but they do not recoil like that. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: halfnelly
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:22pm
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Polypropylene (Poly-P) ropes are notorious for recoil as they have a preengineered amount of "give" to reduce shock at the handle for tournament slalom and jump skiers. I've taken chunks out of the front of my slalom ski trying to get an extra half buoy and popping the handle. A shock tube can help, but for wakeboarding, tricking, barefooting, etc., the rope should be a minimum of polyethylene (Poly-E, or Poly-E with Kevlar) or better yet Spectra/Dyneema because they have very little stretch and will not recoil. Hope your wife has a speedy recovery. |
Posted By: ArtCozier
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 7:18pm
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Shock tubes work; reduce handles in boats by probably 80%. If you are especially skittish about it, use two of them on the rope. Art ------------- "Art" |
Posted By: ArtCozier
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 7:20pm
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Shock tubes work; we have proven it time and time again in competition skiing. Probably cut handles in the boat by at least 80%. If you are really skittish about it, use two on the rope, and use low-stretch rope. Art ------------- "Art" |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 8:02pm
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I had a similiar experience last weekend only without the handle. The ropr recoiled into the boat and across my back and right arm. My effects were nothing in comparison - I had roughly 1/4" raised welts and looked like my wife had been whippin the tar out of me. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 8:04pm
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A speedy and full recovery wishes to Dave's wife ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: ArtCozier
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 8:25pm
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Oh, I forgot the most important thing: I have two pairs of GT40 heads that I'd like to turn into some green paper. One pair is on (the remains of) an engine that went swimming and then was left to sit with water in it. They are still on the engine, so I have not seen their insides. I would sell the pair for $150. The other pair are off an engine and were replaced because one of them has some small external cracks into the water passage. Most of us who have dealt with these engines for a long time know that this is not unusual. We also know that they can be welded up and seldom ever crack again. As far as I know, the other head is useable as-is. I would take $100 for that pair. All we need to do now is find a free ride for them from Orlando to wherever you are. Know anyone going to Dizzy World anytime soon? ------------- "Art" |
Posted By: skirunt
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 8:38pm
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Thanks for the kind words. I am sure I am not the only one when buying a wakeboard rope, if it says wakeboard rope, then you think it is a wake board rope.(d*cks Sporting Goods) I grew up water skiing, when we had kids we got away from the water. Thirteen years passed by quickly, a lot has changed. Back then a rope was a rope as long as it was thin. The education on ropes has been very helpful and hopefully helpful to others. Heather's appointment went well though they do not understand her hearing loss. Off to the neurologist for further testing if it doesn't return with in a week. Marty Mabe ,I will be in touch. Thanks for the offer! ------------- 79 nautique 93 nautique |
Posted By: wataugasn84
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 5:53pm
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David, Sorry about wife's injury. I haven't heard of snap back with that serious of injury. I would be glad to be your driver if I could only get on lake . We usually go to lake Watauga but wife had knee replacement surgery two weeks ago and I haven't been on water yet this year. Now i have the kitchen gutted in a total remodel. ------------- Watuugasn84 |
Posted By: skirunt
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 9:33pm
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Thanks maybe we will cross wakes sometime. We keep our boats at lakeshore. Fast recovery to your wife. Heather is in no condition to travel so my lake trips are on delay. A good time to fix the boat though. Art thank you for the offer but I am going to buy new. Just looking for a source to get them at a reasonable price. Bought the protech conversion, new lifter pump, steering cable, and have a sticky valve. Not bad for the first weekend out and took out my wife. Its going to be a great summer ------------- 79 nautique 93 nautique |
Posted By: ArtCozier
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:03pm
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Out of curiosity today I called Clearwater Cylinder Head. They offered rebuilts with all new valves and guides for $300 each. They said that they used to be much higher when the supply was low, but now they are more available so the price has dropped. Obviously I'm 'way high with what I had hoped to get for mine! Don't let anyone talk you into buying the aluminum ones. They are fine in automobiles with coolant in the system, but lake water will cause you unending corrosion problems where the aluminum meets the cast iron! Art ------------- "Art" |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:08pm
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Ropes can get ya. I've been an old-school kinda guy forever and had never been in a tower boat until last year at Lanier. Riding in the rear seat of Buffalo's BFN, right when i was thinking "this tower thing is pretty cool and keeps the rope up high and outa the way" he turned to pick up someone who had fallen. Guess I shoulda been paying more attention, but the rope skipped quickly across the wake and wacked me real hard in the face. I recovered quickly and never said anything, but remember wondering, "what if that'd been a kid"....... ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:21pm
Jeff, you are supposed to snag that handle with your teeth and never spill a drop of beer  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: skirunt
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:22pm
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Art sounds like a good deal. I was quoted 700 ish per head for a new one. Accidents do happen never would of thought it would have such force. I will buy new ropes, and find a new driver maybe one of those homeless fellows looking for food ------------- 79 nautique 93 nautique |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:54pm
Yep Jim zigged when I shoulda zagged, but still have my pearly whites. Nice ride later that day in your beautiful 93. Great shot here of you and your bride, PM me your email and I'll send to you, photos looks even better in real scale.   ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: P71_CrownVic
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 1:17am
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I wonder if this happens when tubing? HAHA, kidding...I know how homicidal you people get when the 'T' word is mentioned. Glad the OP's wife is doing relatively well. Talk about a freak accident. ------------- |
Posted By: dip
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 12:04pm
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That's the scariest handle pop story I've heard. YES, shock tubes work. Using them with short line skiing is a must. They work to cut down on the recoil of the handle by dampening the rubber band effect. Preventing the line itself from springing forward is another benefit. As others have said, a true wakeboard line will not recoil like that. It is also much better to board without a stretchy line as it is a consistent pull. I would also try to buy equipment like that from real watersports stores like http://www.wileyski.com" rel="nofollow - Wiley's , http://www.h2oproshop.com" rel="nofollow - H2Osmosis , N3 Boatworks etc. so you get the real thing. With most of these there are also very knowledgeable people to talk with. Years ago I lost the handle in a hard pull on a wake cross slalom skiing. The handle flew past the boat on the drivers side and the rope recoiled off the pylon and in front of my girlfriend who was driving. When the handle hit the water with the boat still moving the rope cut across her neck. It scared the s#@t out of both of us. She had a terrible rope burn that for weeks like someone tried to strangle her. We got a lot of strange looks and I'm still not sure her co-workers believe what really happened. Moral of the story...use a shock tube. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 12:27pm
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I will be pulling mine out of the bow and using it now.... Yikes, what a story. ------------- |
Posted By: HatterBee
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 11:36pm
Hey man i was talking with my wife yesterday about your wife's hearing loss. She is a DR of Audiology and she wanted me to tell you to have her hearing tested by an audiologist. It may be something they could fix if caught soon enough. We are in Winston Salem and would be glad to help out in anyway we can. Baptist has an excellent speech and hearing center. Take care! ------------- 1977 Ski Nautique Under Re-construction http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25004&title=1977-ski-nautique-rebuild" rel="nofollow - My Rebuild Thread |
Posted By: skirunt
Date Posted: June-01-2013 at 10:07am
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Hatterbee, sending you a pm. ------------- 79 nautique 93 nautique |
Posted By: AAM196
Date Posted: June-01-2013 at 4:53pm
| Man.... we've been lucky. IHad handles fly into boat....try and use shocktube with all shortline skiers but pulling big guys out on slalom skis that ride the tail deep are equally as dangerous. |
Posted By: skirunt
Date Posted: June-01-2013 at 8:48pm
It seems snapbacks are not that uncommon, I had never had one make it to the boat until MM day. I would attribute it to a 6 3" 220 lb man trying to get up on a wakeboard and holding on to rope until the bitter end. I do enjoy the rush of salom skiing. Maybe need a lesson on wakeboarding since it is new to me. I did watch a U-TUBE video  Heather seems more with it today though is still refusing any prospect of being my driver hopefully when the swelling goes down she will see the light. Still no hearing improvement though. Good ropes, shock tubes and hockey helmet should cut down the risks and knowing when to let go. ------------- 79 nautique 93 nautique |
Posted By: Sid
Date Posted: June-03-2013 at 4:40pm
| One of the guys across the lake goes 210+, competes regularly, and gets into 32 off and beyond every morning, 34 mph. And he hangs on too long. He's not allowed in the boat without a shock tube. Speedy recovery to the Mrs. |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: June-03-2013 at 5:05pm
these nets really did have a functional safety use. ------------- This is the life |