Sanding/buffing project
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Printed Date: November-16-2024 at 10:50pm
Topic: Sanding/buffing project
Posted By: TRIP
Subject: Sanding/buffing project
Date Posted: July-01-2013 at 5:13pm
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It's about time I'd do something about the appearance of my boat. New upholstery, trailer restoration, new cover are on the wishlist but they'll have to wait. New board racks are on the way. The hull is heavily oxidized so that's going to be the first project. I had a little leftover Rubbing compound that I applied on the transom (looked worst). It cleaned it up tremendously, but it still doesn't shine so I think wet sanding is the way to go. Anyway, someone can bring back some stuff from the States for me now so I'm looking to get the materials for wet sanding and buffing etc. Can someone confirm that these are the right items: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N9OE1E/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A23ADOZFIJNPFB" rel="nofollow - Super Duty Rubbing Compound http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001PCHPRI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A23ADOZFIJNPFB" rel="nofollow - Perfect it II Rubbing Compound http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XBJ61U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER" rel="nofollow - Finesse it II http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E48H9I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1BVLNYYEQXY2X" rel="nofollow - Wax A http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MDHECA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A23ADOZFIJNPFB" rel="nofollow - rubber sanding block will be helpful, right? I can get dry/wet sanding paper locally and think I should be able to find the pads around here too. Any tips and comments are welcome! ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
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Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: July-01-2013 at 5:35pm
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Those are the right items! You should be in good shape with that list. And yes, the rubber sanding block will be a good item to have as well. ------------- '02 Ski Nautique 196 w/ 5.7 Apex bowtie - Sold '87 Barefoot - sold '97 Super Sport Nautique - originally custom built for Walt Meloon '97 Ski Nautique '83 SN 2001 |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: July-01-2013 at 5:50pm
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Thanks! Would be a pain in the behind if I'd order the wrong stuff. Placing the order right away! ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: July-02-2013 at 10:41am
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I stick with the same line, all Perfect It and start with Super Duty Rubbing Compound on a wool pad. Since shipping may be an issue, pint bottles of everything would be plenty, but get a quart of the Super Duty Rubbing Compound. I use all 3M pads, they're color matched to make it easy. It will shine after the 1st round of compound, and just gets better with each round. I've also found that if you pic a spot and start sanding with the highest grit you can quickly figure out how far down you'll have to go with the sand paper. I use the Colonite cleaner wax 920 followed by the Paste wax 885, cleaner goes real fast, 2 uses from a bottle, but has some solvent in it as well as grit so it takes of things that normally require a lot of elbow grease to remove. Paste Wax can lasts forever, I got at least 10 coats out of my 1st can. |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: July-02-2013 at 10:51am
 Results!  This is a terrible pic, but in person its hard to tell which way the exhaust tip goes, you can see the reflection even though the pic is grainy. |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: July-02-2013 at 12:15pm
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That looks amazing! Many thanks for your tips. I ordered the stuff but it's not sure if it'll arrive in time for my friend to bring it back next week. Else a friend of her's is coming and bringing it early August. In the meantime I can look for the pads and tools. ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: camprnik
Date Posted: July-08-2013 at 6:01pm
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Nice pictures!! Can you give some more detail in the steps you took? You started with the Super Duty Rubbing Compound then went to the Perfect it? Also did you do it by hand or use a buffer/random orbital? thanks!!! and again, awesome looking boat! |
Posted By: Toeboat
Date Posted: July-08-2013 at 8:31pm
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WOW!!! Unbelievable shine. ------------- Toeboat 89 BFN w/454 bought new and still love it. 06 Ski Nautique w/ZR6 72 Promo |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: July-09-2013 at 3:37pm
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The transom was wet sanded starting at 600, it had a sticker on it that didn't get replaced so I had some extra work to get rid of the ghosting. I do 4 steps of polish with the compounding, I'm lazy and the compounding takes out most of the sanding marks. If you're anal about the sanding and truely get it to 1500 then you can skip the compound. Everything is done with a rotary, actually read the bottle which said 2000 rpms in the past I've gone to 3000, seemed to work just as well, a little slower but easier to hold on to the polisher. I think most people would be thrilled with just the first step of polish, the next 2 just make the reflection brighter and clearer, but aren't as big an improvement as the first. |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: July-15-2013 at 4:42pm
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Bummed; my friend who brought the 3m-stuff from the US for me discovered when she opened her suitcase that customs took out the bottles because they are "flammable liquids". Boat wax etc for fck'sake. :| The 'challenges' of living in paradise... |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 5:30pm
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Damn.... it's been more than a year! Now finally picking up this project again. Like I wrote before customs took out some of the bottles. 2 Made it, but my friend took the labels off that said "inflammable liquid". She didn't bring the labels, so now I'm not quite sure what I have here!  I checked online and it seems that the black bottle is Super Duty Rubbing Compound (3M 05954) and yellow is Perfect it II (05973). However I also saw a black bottle which was (05928) Finesse it II, though in all other pics I saw that was a white bottle. What do you all say? Looks like I still need to get the Finesse it II. ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 6:09pm
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Super duty - black Finesse it ll - yellow You should be able to feel the difference between your fingers the SD will be more gritty |
Posted By: oldcuda
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 6:21pm
| Been a while but my finnesse was always black. |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 6:40pm
Well those 2 answers aren't going to get you anywhere  Just squirt some in your hand, the finesse is much finer(and whiter) than the super duty. |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 8:15pm
Well.....you know what they say...." Once you go black , ya never turn back!"  ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
oldcuda wrote:Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 8:19pm
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Thanks guys. The thing is that I ordered 4 products: - 05954 Super duty - 05973 Perfect it II - 05928 Finesse it II - and wax. Only those 2 bottles arrived. So they are 2 of those 3, but which ones, and the 3rd one I'll need to order again.  ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 8:24pm
Guess when it comes to squirting stuff on your hands we have to listen to Allen. I heard he's an expert with that. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 9:12pm
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White stuff nonetheless ------------- |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 9:32pm
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I am pretty sure that all the perfect it products are in a purple bottle, the lid is color coded to the pad you are supposed to use, the finess it products are not, so I think you are missing wax and perfect it 2. I agree that the heavy cut compound was black last time I ordered it. get out your buffer, you are not going to hurt the gel with either product, you should be able to tell which one cuts faster by experimentation. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-04-2014 at 11:30pm
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I just bought a bottle of 05973,yellow bottle marked 3M rubbing compound ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: September-05-2014 at 12:06pm
| What color is the compound in the bottles? I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure I have the yellow one (Super Duty)and the compound is white. The colored compounds are in purple bottles and have tops that match the color of the liquid. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-05-2014 at 12:15pm
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White in mine Don ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-05-2014 at 12:44pm
| I've seen all different colored bottles, can't tell what's in it without the label. Finesse-it II is white and slippery. The compounds are tan and gritty. Super duty is thicker and grittier than all of the 3m intermediate compounds I've used, but I'm not sure you can tell the difference without having seen them both before, or having them side by side. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-05-2014 at 1:07pm
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My super duty is in a black bottle Perfect it is purple Finesse it II clear I don't know anything about "colored tops" that Don speaks of. All the caps are white ------------- |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: September-05-2014 at 5:04pm
| All my purple bottles have a top that matches the color of the compound inside and the foam pad they were designed to work with. I've had them for a few years so they may have changed things, but it's pretty idiot proof. |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: September-05-2014 at 7:32pm
Mine too, and they are about a year old, so I think they haven't changed anything. Amazon.com would have pictures of each bottle if you want to look for product pictures |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: September-05-2014 at 8:15pm
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Looks like 3M is changing up bottles all the time. I checked today and the black bottle had more orange colored stuff in it and much grittier than the yellow bottle, which had more off-white/yellow liquid. Now all I need to get is the Finesse it II, I believe. And the pads. And sanding paper. And some extra time! On to the next question: Pulled off the stickers I had on it today. What's the best way to get rid of residue of stickers? Current status:  Pretty obvious where the stickers were! Thanks everybody for all your help! ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-05-2014 at 9:05pm
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Acetone or Xylene ------------- |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: September-06-2014 at 12:30pm
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3M makes a good product in a spray can I picked up at the Autoparts store that works great.. Bug, Tar and Adhesive removal. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: November-20-2015 at 3:30pm
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LOL 2.5 years later I've finally started cleaning up the hull. I can't get the 3M products here, so I'm looking for a replacement for the Finesse It. Anyone know what the equivalent from Meguiar's is? ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-20-2015 at 4:23pm
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Sander, Does Meguiar's still have the abrasive level graph on their bottles? I'd look for the finest and give it a try. I've used their finest for buffing out varnish but the bottle is gone. How's their web site? I'll take a look at it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-20-2015 at 5:13pm
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WOW!! They sure do have the products. It's been awhile since I've purchased any. http://www.meguiars.com/en/automotive/products/g19216-ultimate-polish/" rel="nofollow - Looking at their site, I'd say the Ultimate polish would be the equal It says it's the last step before waxing. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: November-21-2015 at 12:30am
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Awesome, thanks! Gonna try to find it. Next issue: acetone doesn't cut it to get sticker residue removed. It makes it soft, but it keeps sticking. Afraid I won't be able to find the 3m removal stuff. Other ideas? Since we all like pics here, a before and after pic.  Still not done with the first stage. I tried 600 grit sandpaper but didn't do anything. Found a scouring sponge (think what it's called) that does the job. When done with a lot of force at least. Probably translates to 150 grit or so, so it does leave a lot of scratches, but they do come of with the 600. Now first need to get the sticker-crap off before I can go to the 600. ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: geecee
Date Posted: November-21-2015 at 1:49am
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i wouldn't use acetone on there. try benzine, but you will need some elbow grease ------------- 1983 Ski Nautique '2001' -Chev 350 Mercruiser -Custom Wake Tower -Custom Interior |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-21-2015 at 6:48am
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Acetone is a strong solvent but it evaporates way too fast. Zylene or Toluene will do it. We haven't been able to purchase Benzine in many years here. It was among the first substances that was proven to be a carcinogen. You wouldn't be able to get within 1000 miles of the state of California with the stuff! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: geecee
Date Posted: November-23-2015 at 3:33am
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haha okay scrap that idea then. TIA (This is Africa) we can get anything we want here just about :D ------------- 1983 Ski Nautique '2001' -Chev 350 Mercruiser -Custom Wake Tower -Custom Interior |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: December-03-2015 at 12:57am
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Cr@p, what a project! Got the sticker residue off (sunflower oil I think it was, helped a lot but still a heck of a job to get it all off!). Now got some 30 estimated hours into the project, and just got to 400 grit, after 280! But now getting the hang of it, confident it'll some day end (doubted that for a while!) and that it will actually come out pretty well. Now to finish the 400, then 600, 800, 1000 and 1200, then buffing polishing finishing and waxing....  OMG what have I started?!------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 5:48pm
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Update: Finally finished wetsanding. Took about 70 hours total. And now there's still some ghosting from removed pinstripes... But anyway now ready for the next steps. Never done anything like this so looking for some guidance and making sure I got everything! I got 3M Super Duty rubbing compound and Perfect it II. I ordered Finesse it II and wax but they never made it here. You can't get any of the 3M stuff here, so I asked for suggestions and Pete found the best replacement for the Finesse it II from Meguiar's., which seems to be the Ultimate polish. Then some wax. Any recommendations, or what to look for? Acetone to clean the hull in between the different steps. I'm borrowing a polisher, need to get the pads. Wool pad for the rubbing compound, wool or foam for Perfect it? And foam for the Ultimate polish. Polisher at a lower speed with every step, starting at 2000rpm for rubbing compound, correct? Am I missing anything? ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 5:57pm
| what do the labels on the bottles say? |
Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 8:15pm
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No labels. A friend brought them from the US. Customs confiscated first 2, so she took labels off these. It worked, but no labels. ------------- http://www.flyzone-cr.com" rel="nofollow - FlyZone Costa Rica Wakeboarding http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8406&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1997 Super Sport |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 8:35pm
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Since you can get online, check out AutoGeek.com. They sell just about any detailing thing you can think of and recommendations about what pads do what. I've had pretty good luck with Chemical Guys pads with the honeycomb patern for vehicles and the white pads also worked well with some cleaner wax on a neighbors boat with an orbital polisher. If you can get a couple of each pad and some pad cleaner, it really makes a difference to have a clean pad. Had I known that when I did my boat I would have gotten 2 of each. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 9:26pm
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For wax I recommend Collinite's. It's made for high voltage insulators, but they don't mind if you use it on a boat. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: December-23-2015 at 8:32am
+1 I've heard nothing but good things about Collinite. Gonna give some a try this winter. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-23-2015 at 8:43am
If the product is in original containers post a picture and perhaps a member has some sitting around or info can be found on line
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-23-2015 at 1:16pm
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would have been nice if friend put the labels in their pocket instead of the garbage 2000 rpm is plenty usually recommend 1200-2000 |