What Weight Oil
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Printed Date: September-16-2024 at 7:09pm
Topic: What Weight Oil
Posted By: skitique179
Subject: What Weight Oil
Date Posted: July-12-2013 at 9:33pm
| Time for the first oil change after the engine engine rebuild. It has break in oil in it now. Planning on using Vavoline VR1 for the zinc. What weight would you guys recommend? |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-12-2013 at 9:38pm
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20-50 VR1 ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: July-30-2013 at 3:26am
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What about high mileage oil? Will the extra zinc swell leaky seals and such? ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: July-30-2013 at 9:49am
High mileage? He just had the thing rebuilt, it's basically brand new! Ya crazy canuck!  ------------- '02 Ski Nautique 196 w/ 5.7 Apex bowtie - Sold '87 Barefoot - sold '97 Super Sport Nautique - originally custom built for Walt Meloon '97 Ski Nautique '83 SN 2001 |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: July-30-2013 at 11:07am
------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
bhectus wrote:Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: July-30-2013 at 1:37pm
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True. It was hypothetical. My engine is old, and there is a little bit of oil in the bilge. Not sure, maybe rear main. I was wondering if anyone out there has used high mileage oil to do a cheap fix. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: July-30-2013 at 3:05pm
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I don't think the seal swellers do anything but gunk up the innards. The RMS replacement is a weekend job. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-30-2013 at 8:29pm
I do not believe any of the "high mileage" oil contain the ZDDP needed. You've been watching too many oil commercials on TV!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jallyjames
Date Posted: August-10-2013 at 4:59am
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i would use 5w30 or 10w30 both are widespread engine oils.... ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-10-2013 at 5:25am
Tell us what 5w30 or 10w30 oils have enough ZDDP in them to protect the old flat tappet engines. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: August-10-2013 at 9:41am
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5W30 is too light for the heavy load on a boat engine. 10W30 is bare minimum. 1200 PPM of ZDDP is a must however, drastically limiting what the options are. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-10-2013 at 10:02am
Chris, I was poking at what I feel is just a spammer from India that has no idea of what he's talking about! I'll bet he has no idea of what ZDDP is,------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: August-10-2013 at 11:18am
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Pete - Who knows, maybe wakesurfing is the new fad in India! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: jbach
Date Posted: August-12-2013 at 1:21pm
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i decided i wanted to use one oil for everything i own, i use shell rotella T6 synthetic 5w-40 for all vehicles, wet clutch motorcycles, etc, etc. i use the shell rotella standard 15w-40 for the GT-40 in the boat boat, but i'm also switching that to the T6. i've just seen several recent used oil analysis showing the T6 between 1200 and 1300 ppm of zinc. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: August-12-2013 at 7:35pm
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Does Synthetic work OK with a wet clutch? I thought they needed the extra friction of old school oil. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: jbach
Date Posted: August-13-2013 at 12:00pm
| good synthetic oils are perfectly fine in a wet clutch. what you don't want in a wet clutch, or shared engine/trasmission lubrication are additional friction modifiers in an oil. They are marketed as "energy conserving" oils. |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-14-2013 at 3:42am
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Hey guys, I was hoping for a consensus of sorts on what motor oil to use. I'm hoping to use the same oil in our 1984 SN2001 and our 1974 Mercruiser 140. In my 40 year old Mercruiser 4-cylinder, which I've owned for about 15 years, I was using Mercruiser 4-Cycle 25W-40 Marine Engine Oil 92-802837A1 (or Q1 for Quicksilver). It has served me well, but I've gotten really tired of the lack of availability and the high price (probably just to print Merc or Quicksilver on the label). The oil specs required by the old Merc aren't much. Some other folks have almost convinced me to use SuperTech 15W-40 from Wal-Mart. It is easily available and not expensive, and meets a lot more specs than my old Merc requires:
My 1984 Ski Nautique 2001 has Pleasurecraft engine model PRD WR R10. Should the ZDDP levels be a primary concern? Mercruiser 4-Cycle 25W-40 Marine Engine Oil: 1500 ppm ZDDP Valvoline VR1 20W-50 Racing Oil: 1200-1300 ppm ZDDP Super Tech 15W-40 Universal Motor Oil: 1200 ppm ZDDP Though I did come across this (if it's on the internet, it must be true, right?): http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7589743" rel="nofollow - ZDDP oil analysis results We always put fewer hours on the boats than we'd like each season (about three months up here in Wisconsin). I doubt if either boat would see more than about 50 hours a year. I change the oil & filter each Fall. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Steve |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: August-14-2013 at 9:12am
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The Super Tech is not what I would use in the SN, as the lower priced oils have a weaker additive formulation. Since there is only 1 oil change per year, you are only talking an extra $12 to get the VR1, right? There is much internet chatter regarding this, & quite a bit on this site too. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-14-2013 at 9:43am
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Valvoline VR1 20w50 or Mobil1 15w50. ------------- |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-14-2013 at 10:44pm
Yes, it's less about the money and more about feeling that Merc is ripping me off. Maybe not, though, if they really have high levels of quality additives. But I'll settle on one for both boats.
I think it's coming down to those. Plus maybe Amsoil for some people. |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-14-2013 at 10:50pm
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______________________________________________________ MOTOR OIL OK, so for motor oil, it looks like Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 20W-50 or Mobil 1 15W-50. Here are some details: Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 20W-50 Spec Gravity @ 60°F: 0.888 Zinc: 1400 ppm Phosphorus: 1300 ppm http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/vr1_racing.pdf" rel="nofollow - Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil Mobil 1 15W-50 Density @15.6º C g/ml: 0.87 Zinc: 1300 ppm Phosphorus: 1200 ppm http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf" rel="nofollow - Mobil 1 Engine Oils Table http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/NAUSENPVLMOMobil1_15W-50.aspx" rel="nofollow - Mobil 1 15W-50 I don't see anywhere that Merc/Quicksilver reveals their ZDDP levels. The internet numbers are from private testing. ______________________________________________________ OIL FILTER I like the info put together by Steve K (skutsch) in his http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29603" rel="nofollow - Oil Filter Comparison/Evaluation thread. I have a question in to him about his average weightings, but here are the individual grades, not caring about price: FILTER: FILTERING/QUALITY/surface/volume K&N HP-3002: B/A-/b+/a Fram Xtended Guard XG5: A-/A/c/a Mobil 1 M1-302: B/A/a-/a Wix (NAPA) 51060: C/A-/b+/b+ Purolator Pure-one PL34631: C-/B+/a-/b+ Now, a lot of really smart guys on here *hate* Fram oil filters, so I am not going there, in case I ever post an engine pic on the forum! So I'm left concluding that the Mobil 1 M1-302 and the K&N HP-3002 are the best choices. Are these the right part numbers for a PCM 351W (I haven't looked them up)? ______________________________________________________ TRANSMISSION FLUID Yes, I'm trying to kill all these birds with one stone.
So I conclude: Conventional ATF, Dexron/Mercon, not synthetic, Dexron III is best, flush it at least twice. Does that about cover trans fluid, gentlemen? Apparently any manufacturer's Dex III is ok to use... ______________________________________________________ Thanks. Steve |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-16-2013 at 10:44pm
| Steve K and I are cleaning up a few details on the oil filter study, stay tuned. |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: August-16-2013 at 11:26pm
Will do. I need an oil filter, and want to get the right one. Also need to change my tranny fluid. Mine has brown fluid, so it must be old.(not dextron) Want to get that right the first time too. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-17-2013 at 12:27am
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Corey, The results are pretty clear, and we're just cleaning up some of the numerical ratings. First, Steve K said the part numbers do NOT necessarily correspond to the right oil filter for the PCM 351W (they were the specific part numbers used in the study), so we'll need to cross reference some of them. Second, all of these results are from the one study. Other studies will show some variation, and some filter designs may have changed since the study was done in Jan 2011. It is worth looking up your filter's specifics in the http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/oilfilterstudy.html" rel="nofollow - Oil Filter Comparison Study , especially the http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/oilfilter/gradesheet.htm" rel="nofollow - Oil Filter Grade Sheet and the http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/oilfilter/filterconstruction.htm" rel="nofollow - Construction and Comments . Note that this grade sheet includes price in the weighted average (rated slightly higher than media surface area and media volume). What Steve K did was sort the results and also look at removing price as a factor. I agree with not including price--in our northern climate, I change oil and filter once per season, so the filter price doesn't matter to me. Also, the top five filters are all very good, so if one is on sale at a great price, it could be used for that oil change. Third, we're just firming up some of the numbers. I believe the main result will be this: there are about five oil filters that this study finds to be very good. After that, things begin to drop, and there are some really terrible filters. Note that we are assuming that these rankings, based on the filter part numbers used in the study, can be extended to other part numbers from each manufacturer (hopefully a good assumption). It looks like the five filters found to be very good are: Fram Xtended Guard, Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Amsoil, K&N We'll post the numbers soon, but I'd be comfortable with any of these (well, except that, as I said, some very smart folks on here *hate* Fram oil filters, so I'm not going there). Thanks again to Steve K for sharing this good info. Steve R |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 4:15am
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Update on the oil filter rankings... see the http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29603&PN=2&title=oil-filter-comparison-evaluation" rel="nofollow - Oil Filter Comparison/Evaluation thread. The grades table follows.  . |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 1:27pm
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Is this the right mobil 1 filter? http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/EngineOil/OilFiltersAccessories/PRDOVR~0171633P/Mobil+1+Extended+Performance+Oil+Filter.jsp?locale=en ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 8:09pm
From member convenience, it will help if you post a http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/EngineOil/OilFiltersAccessories/PRDOVR~0171633P/Mobil+1+Extended+Performance+Oil+Filter.jsp?locale=en" rel="nofollow - proper link ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 8:41pm
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These oil filter numbers are for a Ford 351W. The Ford 351W OEM oil filter was the Motorcraft FL1A. The Pleasurecraft Marine Engines oil filter number is PCM R077001.Here are the cross-referenced filter numbers, in essentially the order of the grades table above: Mobil 1 M1-301 Royal Purple 30-8A Amsoil EAO15 K&N HP-3001, PS-3001 NAPA Gold 1515 Wix 51515 NAPA Proselect 21515 Purolator L30001 Bosch 3500 Fram PH-8A Motorcraft FL1A Delco PF2 STP S8A Please look these over and reply if you see any errors. Thanks. Steve |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 8:57pm
Here we go... . |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-20-2013 at 4:51am
Are you guys running the dino or the synthetic? dino -- "Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil (VR1)", 20W-50 p/n VV211 synthetic -- "Valvoline Racing Synthetic (VR1) Motor Oil", 20W-50 p/n 679082.0 Both have 1400 ppm zinc and 1300 ppm phosphorus. Looks like the synthetic is about $2.50 more per quart. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-20-2013 at 9:43am
Personally, I use the conventional VR1. If I want synthetic, I use the M1 15w50. I have been able to find the latter in the 5 qt jugs at Walmart recently for ~$25. ------------- |
Posted By: lakedog55
Date Posted: August-20-2013 at 4:11pm
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Either the k and n has the wrong grade point average or the amsoil is off and one other one. Theres no way 2 D's are going 2 B's. And then again I was at Florida State in the late 80's ------------- Lakedog55 |
Posted By: lakedog55
Date Posted: August-20-2013 at 4:14pm
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I guess the gpa could be weighted in certain categories. If that was the case then it could be possible if not then you guys need to check your math. Thanks Mike ------------- Lakedog55 |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-20-2013 at 8:15pm
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Mike, Per the original study: 30um Filtering (weight 5) Overall Build Quality (weight 5) Media Surface Area (weight 1) Media Volume (weight 1) GPA = [ 5 x Filtering + 5 x Quality + 1 x Surface + 1 x Volume ] / 12 The original study also included Price and weighted it at 1.5, but we tossed that out. Yup, Florida State was a party school in the 80's... I went to UW-Madison, same thing. Steve |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: August-20-2013 at 9:16pm
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Man north of the border can sure be a pain for some of this stuff. Finally tracked down some VR 1 20w50 conventional at Napa auto parts for 7.59 a litre. Thats cheaper than the 11 bucks/ltr Lordco quoted me for the mobil 1. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: lakedog55
Date Posted: August-20-2013 at 10:05pm
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Steve, Thanks, Luckily I did not step in anything to nasty today. Although the water is pretty much like old bath tub water right now. I thought wick made napa and carquest filters. Mike ------------- Lakedog55 |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-20-2013 at 11:32pm
| Yes, I think most if not all NAPA and Carquest filters are made by Wix. But each one is made to the customer's specifications. I saw a youtube video comparing a Wix and Carquest filter, and the only difference for those specific models was in the number of pleats in the filter material. |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: August-26-2013 at 12:37pm
I'm waking a sleeping oil-thread dragon here, but does anyone run that Mercruiser oil? Where I live, there's more West Marines nearby that Walmarts or good auto parts stores. West Marine stocks the Mercruiser oil, so I can put my hands on that more easily than VR1 (which I'd probably have to ship). The Mercruiser looks like it has enough ZDDP, so would it be otherwise suitable? |
Posted By: boardersdad
Date Posted: August-27-2013 at 2:38am
Brian, I've used it for years in the Mercruiser 140 I/O. But since I made the post you quoted, I've found that the 1500 ppm number is old. Nowhere can I find anything official from Mercury Marine / Mercuiser / Quicksilver that gives the current zinc and phosphorus content. What I find are other people complaining that Merc won't print it any more. So the concern (conclusion?) is that they may have reduced the content. I'm just tired of companies being too good to list the contents, and charging me up the ying yang for their mystery products. Steve p.s. "ying yang" is a technical marine term |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: September-01-2013 at 11:09pm
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Has anyone tried or know the hot rod and classic car oil by Lucas? They have a 20w50 with high zddp. Just wanted to know if it any good. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: fyrhog
Date Posted: September-03-2013 at 2:30pm
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Take a look,,good site. http://www.shopthedude.com/index.cl |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-03-2013 at 6:58pm
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Ron (and Corey - I'll explain it here), CC fan does not automatically post a true link. http://www.shopthedude.com/index.cl" rel="nofollow - Ron, here's a proper link First you go to "post reply" and not the "quick reply". Clicking on the world icon will bring up a box where you put in a description. Click OK and the second box will come up and that's where you past the copied URL. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: September-03-2013 at 8:43pm
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http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=388&catid=25&loc=show" rel="nofollow - Lucas Oil Hot Rod and Classic Car oil 20w50 Thanks Peter. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |