79 ski tique trailer loading problems
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Topic: 79 ski tique trailer loading problems
Posted By: Gump
Subject: 79 ski tique trailer loading problems
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 12:51pm
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The trailer I'm told is stock to the boat. The sides of the hull have scratches from the previous owner and then I added some. I then added carpet over wood to the top two inches of the inner fenders. It still friggin scratched the hull last time. Really upset about this. Is this a drive on or float on trailer and what can I do to prevent this? Pics are here http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30700&PID=404988#404988 |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 1:04pm
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So the boat is getting scraped by the fenders? A better picture of the inside of the fenders would be helpful. ------------- |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 1:08pm
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I had a ton of trouble loading my 78 Tique on that trailer on shallow ramps. Also, if the ramps weren't level (side to side) it was a nightmare! So, people are gonna tell you you just don't know how to load an inboard.... but it is REALLY hard with that small, flat-bottomed boat on that small A frame trailer. It is a drive on trailer...I had better success with less of the trailer in the water. If the back floats when connected, you have little hope to keep it straight. Let the A frame bunks guide the nose and hopefully the stern should follow upon loading. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 1:13pm
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Try only putting the trailer in and leaving the tops of the fenders out. That's one of the problems of having a painted boat,you have to be extra careful. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: ST79
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 1:32pm
| I have the same problem with my 79. It is the weight distribution so I get it on the trailer and stand on the fender and it goes on right. I know it is not the right way but the only way I have found |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 1:47pm
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If you are suggesting driving the boat on the trailer while being outside of the boat, that sounds like a bad idea. I agree that the boat needs to be level to make sure both chines end up on top of the bunks (trailer needs to be level as well) but driving from the middle of the boat where you can still safely reach the throttle and steering wheel is a much safer option. Of course, that doesnt help the original poster if he is simply experiencing scratches from the fenders. Having the trailer at the proper depth (tops of the fenders just above the water) and an appropriate material on the inner edges (carpeted wood, etc) should help this scenario. ------------- |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 2:42pm
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Nice boat.. Yeas you don't want to scratch that Black paint !! I had the same issue loading my 77' Tique at first. Then one of the guys here told me to do the same as being suggested (only back the trailer in where you can see the very shadow of the fender under water). Problem solved.. I see in your pics that the guide ons could also probably get bent inward a little to better your chances at a ceter catch, but if you practice what was said above, the boat really will center itself and stay inside the fenders.. Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: ST79
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 2:47pm
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Middle did not help it kicks it to one side. I get it to about 6 inches from the bow stop and get on the fender and give it a little gas and turn it off and put a chain on the front. What happens it is not the fenders but it is the bunks that puts more than scratches in the boat. I know it not the safe way but the only way I have found including trying to stand in the middle. |
Posted By: Gump
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 2:49pm
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I'll get better pics. I only carpeted a 2" piece of wood on the inner fenders because i was worried if the tires upon bouncing on the springs moved up they would hit the inside of the wood. once i get pics maybe someone can suggest a better approach. I was trying to float it on as the previous owner stated he did with the front bunks just out of the water. I'll try the fenders out of the water approach. Paints fubarred from this problem on the sides of the hull but I want to figure it out before getting it repaired. |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 3:01pm
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One thing that the PO (Waterdog) of my old Tique did on the trailer was to add a 5-8 inch piece of wood as a guide AT THE BASE OF THE GUIDE POLE. It is only about 2 inches wide but 5-8 inches tall. They helped to center the stern chine a lot. I'll look for pics........ ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-19-2013 at 8:50pm
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I have to say I have never had a problem with my 77 Tique on shallow or deep ramps. I stick the trailer in the water so the tops of the fenders are showing (I have a LB so I have extra tall fenders) and drive the boat on while the trailer is being pulled out by the tow vehicle. I have added keel rollers on my trailers (discussed in other threads). This brings the bow of the boat up to better match the angle of the trailer in the ramp. BTW, I'm not even a "pro" at loading the Tique since it is wintered in the boat house and rarely sees it's trailer. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gump
Date Posted: September-15-2013 at 11:16pm
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TRBenj wrote:Posted By: ST79
Date Posted: September-16-2013 at 9:37am
| My 79 it is not the fenders but the bunks as you pull in the weight distribution take the side below the bunks |
Posted By: Gump
Date Posted: October-02-2013 at 2:27am
That didn't work out well. The trailer needs to be way in the water making sure the rear of the bunks are well under the bow of the boat. Since it's a A frame trailer which means the back of the bunks are wider toward the rear and the front of the boat is narrower than the rear of the bunks, the front of the boats sides get wedged in between the rear of the bunks scrathing sides. I just need to put the dang trailer WAY BACK in the water, and float it on till the nose of the boat hits the nose pads on the front of the trailer. Essentailly the hitch was in the water to get the rear of the bunks from hitting the sides of the boat. |
Posted By: natscott1974
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 11:58am
| That seems to make sense to me Gump , I see some "scratches" on the sides of my hull from previous owners. I go deep :) and pull mine on with a rope due to the ramp we use. I like the idea of the drive on method the best. New SKI-N owner so still trying to figure things out. |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 4:06pm
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I've found two ways that works every time for the 16's. Either approach at an angle so the starboard chine is atop the bunk first. Or stand or kneel in the center of the boat to keep it level. |
Posted By: Gump
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 7:36pm
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Those ways don't work with this trailer and boat. Been doing it a while now. Only way to prevent damage is to put the trailer in deep and float on. The guide pole things are about a 10 inches out of the water. Float on till the bow hits the bow pads on the trailer. The bottom of the boat and trailer don't touch each other till I pull it out. Granted half of the Subaru Outback is in the water but the rear doors don't leak. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 7:49pm
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Eric, Many including myself have had excellent results with mounting winches on their trailers. They are especially useful on ramps that are real steep. With a steep ramp, the bow of the boat will hit the bow stop but then when pulled out, the aft end of the boat will sit down on the trailer causing the bow to be aft of the trailer bow stop. With a winch mounted higher that the bow eye, it will pull the forward end of the hull up and then the bottom will be more in line with the trailer bunks. I agree with the comments that only the tops of the trailer fenders should be out of the water. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gump
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 8:05pm
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Thanks. I had the sides repaired so I don't chance it anymore and just sink the trailer deep. Luckily I have a decent ramp I go to. I leave the bow chain loose then hit the brakes or a friend and I can shove the boat forward and then snug it all up. I think part of my reasoning to need to go so deep is due to the low height of the trailer hitch on the Subaru. It's been a fun boat. Took a while to get the hang of not being able to steer in reverse. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 8:35pm
Many have done the "hit the brake" trick including myself before the trailer additions. It's certainly not the safest thing to do. Yup, a winch sure does the job plus, I've also added keel rollers to two of my trailers. They aid in bringing the bow up as well. With the hull on the keel roller and the winch pulling, the hull centers itself on the wishbone bunks.
Oh but they do steer in reverse but, more towards port due to prop walk when in gear. Towards starboard, give it some gas, then take it out of gear and it will steer. I'm glad you got used to it. Yes, they are fun boats. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gump
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 9:06pm
| Thank you. I'll have to play with reverse more. It sure doesn't do much though. |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: December-02-2014 at 2:12am
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I second what Peter said above. My dad welded me a nice winch platform. Its a little bit above the bow eye, and after a bit of trial and error, I made a small black mark on the gel that when lined up with the top of the bow v-pad I have, the boat is snug once the stern drops down as it pulls out. It centers fairly well and is easy enough to nudge over while the bunks are wet. I have that same trailer, and so far I have always used this float on method for my 78 SN. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: December-02-2014 at 2:16am
You can see the winch and bow pad in the foreground..... ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: December-05-2014 at 9:39am
Steve, Huh? That was before me. Tops if the fenders out of the water. I've only loaded the Tique under power a couple of times. Always just walked it up, the bad thing is my trunks were wet when I hopped in the truck. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: December-05-2014 at 10:12am
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Interesting Andy - I thought you made the addition ..... The side "bunks" at the bottom of the guide poles helped when the ramp was slanted side to side...... under power or walking it up. I'll look for pics.......... Maybe Wayne has some. Steve ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: December-05-2014 at 10:32am
hard to tell for sure with that picture but the fenders appear to under water and by the looks of what little guide pole is sticking out of the water that trailer is way too deep for loading a boat. |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: December-06-2014 at 3:01am
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Lol, true. I was wondering if I was gonna catch it for that. That there is my maiden launch. Never even seen the boat float till this pic. I don't back it in that far now, however I do have it in enough that it floats right up to the centre support at the front of the bunks. That way there is less pressure on the winch to pull it up to my mark. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: December-06-2014 at 11:14am
Well the boat looks absolutely beautiful. |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: December-06-2014 at 7:33pm
+1 ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-07-2014 at 10:03am
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Also the background bluffs. Very nice lake! The ramp looks like a shallow grade. Part of the problem? Do you have same issue at a steeper ramp? ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: December-07-2014 at 3:04pm
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Thank you. Its Alouette Lake in Golden Ears Provincial Park. I do all my loading so far with that bow rope. I pull it over from the dock where my wife is holding it after backing in the trailer, and pull it into place. I have never drove it on yet. As for the depth of the ramp, I have not noticed a major diff between here an other lakes. Same procedure seems to work for me, however I found out on the last day of use this year that my winch was underated, and was bending a little bit each use. I had to do the brake method to slide the boat forward after the winch bound up. I am still practicing to make perfect....will try fender depth next time for sure. I bought a heavier one for this next season, and have bolted it better. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: January-13-2015 at 4:11pm
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Our 78 Nautique on a Nautique trailer, low boy type had rubber fitted to the boat side of both fenders, I sometimes got a rubber mark on the boat but no scratches and we drove it on every time. The rubber as I recall was 1/2 inch or so thick and fitted the exact shape of the fender. I found this old photo from the day we had our cover made. This was our UNIQUE Nautique. The color scheme was actually done by the people that stole this boat. It was recovered and I fixed all the stuff they broke. I bought it from the insurance company after recovery. We kept the color scheme, It really looked great on the water. If you look close you can see the rubber on the inner fender edge. This helped avoid injury to the boat while loading. Sorry I have no better pictures. 
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-13-2015 at 7:54pm
I just put new carpet and ply on my 77 LB inner fender skirts since the ply had rotted out. (yes, I CPES'd the new ply  ) The carpet is the turf type same as whats in the boat and on the trailer bunks. No black marks for me! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sweet1
Date Posted: January-13-2015 at 10:18pm
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I have a 77 tique. I know exactly what you mean. I have found 3 solutions to the problem. 1. I had the boat as light as possible and float/drive it til it sorta lines up. Then use the uprights on the trailer to make sure it is straight and not on a fender, then drive forward with your weight in the middle of the boat. 2. Fenders of the trailer need to be just under the water level. 3. No matter what, a shallow ramp are a nightmare! Unless you have a winch! After fighting all the time to get it on the trailer (original) I added a winch, welded it on it's own stand. It's so easy now. I launch and retrieve by myself all the time. I drive the boat close. Then hook the strap. It slides up clean and easy, dead center every time, no scraping ever. So worth the effort to get a winch. With the winch if you have someone with some weight standing in the very back and centered it just flys into position. Who ever decided power loading was a good idea must of had a very steep ramp. ------------- “We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us really happy is something to be enthusiastic about” Charles Kingsley |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-14-2015 at 10:09am
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If anyone is contemplating a winch, they have been discussed in several previous posts. I too feel they are a great addition. I'd like to say again that the winch should be mounted higher than the eye on the stem and I also like to add a keel roller just aft of the stem. This combination will bring the bow high when loading and more in line with the angle of the trailer on the ramp. Then, when out of the water, you will not come up short with the boat sitting aft of the bow stop. This prevents the need to use the "slam on the brakes" technique to slide the boat forward to the bow stop. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: January-14-2015 at 12:39pm
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That describes almost exactly what I have on mine. I just have to make sure I winch it up to a certain point otherwise the hull is short of the stop after the boat is pulled out. ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: January-14-2015 at 2:32pm
| Winch!?!!!? That ain't original. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-14-2015 at 2:42pm
Per ACBS rules, safety overrides originality. So, just go on slamming on your brakes.  BTW, many ramps are now outlawing power loading due to the damage it causes. What are you going to do then?------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: January-14-2015 at 2:56pm
| You can power load without blowing the dirt out underneath the ramp. Sure, if you leave the bunks out of the water you're gonna have to give it the go go juice but we basically float the boat off and on with minor assistance of the engine, say no more than 850 rpm's. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-14-2015 at 4:32pm
Todd, You may be considerate with the loading technique but how many out there are not? There certainly are people that do spoil it for others and in this case the reasoning behind power loading being banned at many ramps and more to come I feel. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Faceplant
Date Posted: January-15-2015 at 12:39am
| Every lake that I go to in Michigan , power loading is banned . |