Nautique 196 - PCM PRO boss 40 gt efi
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Topic: Nautique 196 - PCM PRO boss 40 gt efi
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Subject: Nautique 196 - PCM PRO boss 40 gt efi
Date Posted: August-29-2013 at 6:50pm
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Hi guys News in the story of the Danish chaSe on a ski nautique. I found a Nice Nautique 196 - PCM PRO boss 40 gt efi. The engine: the thing is that the seller says it needs a new fuse box because the plate is fried. Have you heard about this? He talks about it cost 700 us. The engine Can turn around but only manually because of the electric problem. |
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Posted By: Foot_Fungus
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 12:04am
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if he means the giant black rectangle on the back of the engine that has the sparkplug wires coming from it, then yes they are expensive. But I though the trigger(distributor) usually went first? spare coilpacks/fuse boxes are a little hard to come by. I think I may have a spare I'd sell. THe usual and better solution is to ditch is for a standard distributor swap which usually runs around $600US. The catch is you would also have to trash the EFI and spend another $700US to get a carb to swap. ------------- '94SN Restoration underway... |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 12:31am
the breaker section is not so cheap to replace either. I just bought 1 breaker switch for $25 but I think there are 10 or so. plus shipping to Denmark, plus installation. I could see how that could get expensive if you were paying someone to do it. FF is right about the protec gear, that gets expensive, but is replaceable with standard parts. If you have multiport injection, you may need an intake manifold as well as the other parts mentioned. It appears to me that the pro-boss injection is TBI, so no intake manifold would be needed in that case. My "where to start with this engine rebuild" thread has some pictures that might confirm which type of engine you have. If you can get a really good deal on the boat, the work might be worthwhile  can you get some pictures?
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Posted By: 89Martinique
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 12:36am
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Dreaming, those are breaker/switches, not the ignition. Foot_Fungus, you have a spare? If you ever want to get rid of it, please, let me know. And yes, the Pro Tec ignition has many little problems that ultimately leads to its demise. I still have mine, once in a while it does act up, no die why. But it works fantastic when its not acting up. And its really nice because most of the time I dont ever have to pump the throttle for starting, it adjusts the timing and smooths the idle out all on its own, points doesn't do that... I actually wish my CC had the pro tec, bummer it doesn't... ------------- Current Boats: 1992 Supra Comp-TS6M PCM 351w HO Pro Boss Pro-Tec Ignition - Full Composite (no wood stingers!) 1989 (3rd Gen) Correct Craft Martinique B/R PCM 351w Power Plus 1984 E-Scow Keuka Lake, |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 12:52am
True, But the OP is asking about the fuse box, so I was thinking he may be talking about the breaker panel to the lower left of the helm. with the translation to English, some terminology definitely gets interesting 
I may have a lead on a protec spare for you if your interested in buying one... PM me and I'll give you a phone number. I ordered some manifolds and a fuel pump set from this guy. manifolds came in good order, fuel pumps were both DOA, so as of now, I wouldn't pay much for his Protec set up, but it might be worth the conversation  |
89Martinique wrote:Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 4:02am
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Hi guys Talked to the seller again this morning. He says its called the PME circuit breaker box. Does this ring a bell :-)? Thanks for all ya help. Its a bit tempting to build carb ón it. But it Will Loose some power Right? I Will get you pictures. |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 4:23am
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Must be this one :) http://www.nautiqueparts.com/breakerbox-pmeselectyearmodel.aspx What Can be the reason to its fried ? 
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Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 6:13am
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Pictures of the boat. It has been stolen and now sold to the owner from the insurance. It's my dream boat, but it needs some work. Is it possible to get drawings of the original platform to?        
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Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 7:49am
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That boat should go very cheap to make it worth! Lots of hard to find missing parts...odd the motor box seems from another boat, it doesn't match the boat colour combo. ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 10:02am
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I believe there are a lot of mis-matched parts on that boat. Engine box, driver seat appears to be blue (green stripe on hull). There appears to be a lot missing off that GT-40 too. I don't know about drawings for the platform, but they are available in the "Store" on this site. This should definitely be a low, low price based on the condition and items missing. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 10:47am
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Thanks for post guys... The boat with trailer is mine for 3600 US. In Scandinavia these boats are extremly expensive. This one will cost about: 18000 US Where to find the parts? Ebay Or in here? Im pretty good handy man ;) - Im thinking of building my own interiour and a lot of the other things. |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 12:14pm
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I think $3600 is about the right ballpark for '00 to '02 boat in that shape. Obviously the more you can negotiate it down the better. Rounding up parts is going to be the challenging part. Probably going to have to scour ebay and everywhere else including here to piece it back together. You may decide, in order to move your project along, to buy some of the stuff new. I would imagine much of that stuff is available as replacement (new) parts as well. Hook up with Zach (Phatsat67 here on CCF) who works at N3 boat works here in the US, they seem to run a lot of boats through that dealership and he is always coming up with creative solutions for used parts, meaning I think they a good number of wrecked boats come through there as well. For instance, you don't necessarily need a complete observers seat, but if you can pick up used shell with the hardware (hinges, lift mechanism and attachments) your a long way ahead over building your own. Much easier to cover a shell then to try and build one from scratch. I think you have a good project, with time and patience you should be able to whip that thing back into like new condition. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 12:18pm
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Thats a low price... but also lots expensive parts are missing. And you don t know the engine condition... seats (observer and stern) are definetely hard to find and odd to ship, unless you can some how custom made a new one with its own hinge system. Combing pads you can fab them if you can find a similar boat and make the templates. I wonder if those digital gauges are functional...they tend to go bad. its a big project! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 12:21pm
same advice Steve huhh?  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 12:27pm
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Seb, you are absolutely right and you are much more familiar with the challenges of importing parts. I just keep thinking, even if he has to buy $10k or $12k USD worth of parts, he is still ahead. $10k of parts buys a lot of stuff. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 1:21pm
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It would be a really pretty boat put back the way it was supposed to be. I wasn't a fan of the green on the neutral (masters scheme) hull, but that green is killer on white. To my knowledge I do not have an observers seat base. I do have platforms but it would probably be cheaper to measure and make your own over there? I can get pretty good rates via DHL for shipping. Looks like a closed loop cooling system on that GT-40 pretty rare probably was used in salt water? Check everywhere for corrosion. If that is already your dream boat wait until you drive it ------------- |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 4:23pm
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My absolute dream boat ! Thanks Zach ! I will hook you up when I hopefully buy it :) I will make a trip to it next week, one last view before my desision. Yeah, in denmark there is only Salt Water. So closed cooling system is the best. As i understand the engine gets a bit higher temp, but that should be good. About 80' Exhaust manifolds are saltwater cooled. Yeah i was thinking building my own platform. 2 choises. 1: Teak ( looks like a milion ) 2: Stainles stell frame with glassfiber platform in the middel. Then a new couch in the back and a observertor seat, and properly a new drivers seat :) |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: August-30-2013 at 8:40pm
| I hope you're good with electrical wiring. I think that thing is going to be a wiring/electrical nightmare. |
Posted By: Foot_Fungus
Date Posted: August-31-2013 at 11:30pm
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Im confused I thought we were talking about a protect system? that boat in the pics does not have a protect system. that is a gt40 engine(notice the standard dizzy). ------------- '94SN Restoration underway... |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: September-01-2013 at 4:52am
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Yes, the seller told mé it Was a gt 40 engine. Is it only a efi engine then ? With out protec? What does the protec dó? Thanks |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: September-01-2013 at 5:17am
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The Ford GT40 PCM engine is much nicer than the early Protec fuel injected engines from PCM. It is multipoint injection for starters. It was put together using mainly Ford parts so it makes sourcing parts much easier. Most of the parts cross over from the EEC1V based V8 auto engines. This may not help you much in Europe but in the US most of the auto chain stores carry these parts. From the pictures you can see the ECM hanging down this is the only part that is quite difficult to source. This is a bit of a worry and the general condition of that engine is not good. Salt water and being left uncovered to the weather for some time are not kind to electrical parts and wiring. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: Foot_Fungus
Date Posted: September-01-2013 at 1:22pm
Like lewy said, YES, it being a gt40 makes it much easier to repair and get parts for. I'd send the guys at skidim an email and they can probably direct you to where to find that replacement breaker for cheap. And YES being a gt40 it does NOT have protec. Again that's a big plus for you. ------------- '94SN Restoration underway... |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: September-02-2013 at 4:17am
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Great, thanks guys.. My plan was to dismount the engine this winter and repaint it and change the things there needs to be changed. |
Posted By: fun2u
Date Posted: September-02-2013 at 5:43am
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My plan was to dismount the engine this winter and repaint it and change the things there needs to be changed. ------------- www.worldofwarcraftgold4u.com | www.rsgolds2u.com | www.ffxi2gil.com |tau2gn0ah. |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: April-28-2014 at 6:24am
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Hi guys News in the project, the boat is finaly mine. One happy CC SN owner. The project is starting this summer, but the boat is first in the water next year. So im now asking for some help. The previus owner has tryed making his own wirenet. and The E-Box is done ! Does anyone now if its possible to buy a complete wirenet for this boat and engine? And a E-box :) Here is pictues in the garage, i will pick the boat up SOON! :) :) :) |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: April-28-2014 at 6:32am
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Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: April-28-2014 at 6:36am
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Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: April-28-2014 at 7:34am
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Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: April-29-2014 at 5:35am
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Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: April-29-2014 at 5:39am
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Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: April-29-2014 at 5:40am
 
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Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: April-29-2014 at 12:19pm
Wirenet???? Do you mean wiring loom? The Ebox is the PME "Gateway" power distribution box. http://www.nautiqueparts.com/breakerbox-pmeselectyearmodel.aspx" rel="nofollow - PME Power Distribution Box ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: April-29-2014 at 12:36pm
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Wirenet, Wiring loom. I believe the term that will be most understood when working with American parts providers/sources would be Wiring Harness. Gotta love the English language and all it's interesting twists and turns... ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: April-29-2014 at 4:41pm
Drawings? No drawings here but I got pics. Looks like a 2000, which mine is also, with the same beam, so I assume the platforms will be the same. I'm sure Tim will correct me if I'm wrong. Congratulations on the new boat, can't wait to see you bring it back to life!                  ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: April-30-2014 at 5:24am
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Thanks guys :) Please just correct me, then its easyer for me to search for the new parts in USA. Wirring Loom sounds right, when I google it what I means comes up :) :) Where to buy a wirring loom for this engine? And yes, the PME box to. That platform looks realy nice ! Something like that I whant to build. When the boat comes home I will start the build thread :) |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: April-30-2014 at 7:06pm
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You might want to decide if replacing the PME Gateway Box is really the way you want to go. That method will allow you to keep using the touchpads... but, there's a high probability that those will be toast as well. Also, what year is this boat? It's in the era of problematic speedos, if it's a 2000 or 2001. Usually this site always preaches to keep it original, but in this case, that may be impractical. You might want to just wire up the whole thing from scratch, go kind of old school with it. Take a look at this page: http://www.skidim.com/products.asp?dept=1155" rel="nofollow - Skidim Wiring Stuff They sell a pre-wired instrument kit. Then, you could maybe get a Stargazer Perfect Pass to add in for your Speedometer/Speed Control. |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: April-30-2014 at 7:20pm
Brian, it is a 2000, and you can see the questionable digital gauges in this pic...those will definitely need to be tested, and the replacement ain't cheap. ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: April-30-2014 at 7:39pm
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Good eye. Yeah, I would think it might be easier to just go traditional with the Fuel, Temp, Oil Pressure, and Voltage Gauges and Tach. Just pick a set (or individual pieces) with the right sizing for the cutouts and complimentary color scheme. Then, you could go with either a Precision Star Speedo or go Full Stargazer with it if he wants speed control as well. Actually, the Stargazer would take care of Tachometer duties as well. If you go about half way down the 1st page of this http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32637&title=86-fish-nautique-gettin-put-to-work" rel="nofollow - Fish Nautique Thread you can get some wiring inspiration. It looks daunting, but definitely more cost effective than trying to recreate the factory installation in this case. |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: April-30-2014 at 9:56pm
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Just went back to start of thread. You have a challenge on your hands there with wiring an electrical items on a GT40 2000 boat in that condition. Trying to obtain a GT40 wiring loom is going to be difficult. Only option maybe a donor boat somewhere? Being in Denmark is going to make it even harder. Jody from Florida Inboards did a few engine swaps on GT40 engines and may have a wiring loom. I remember that he had a ECM at one stage also. Good ECM's are getting quite scarce and the market price is increasing. What is wrong with current wiring loom?? I agree if the PME box is NBG the possibility that touch pad is also bad. Looking at the original pictures I also question the condition of the ECM (computer). Looks like the mounting bracket with breakers and ECM has been turned sideways to allow for the closed cooling to be fitted. If you have to replace PME, Touchpad and ECM it is going to get expensive quickly. I would first test your current ECM before I went any further as that maybe the final hurdle that makes staying original not practical. Do you know of any other GT40 powered boats locally or nearby who could test your ECM for you? I would offer to test it for you but sending it to Australia will have a freight cost component. But quite happy to do it. Good luck with project. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: May-01-2014 at 5:37am
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Thanks so much for all ya input ! Really amazing. Would it be possible to this engine to wire it up so it could run with out the wirring loom? It could be really good with org gauges but i Think i go with new analogs. |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: May-01-2014 at 5:39am
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Btw: i Will read the toget threads today! Thanks. Sending the box to Australia would be no problem! Really really thanks! |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: May-01-2014 at 10:50am
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Need to take a couple of steps back here. The GT40 has a engine wiring loom that goes from the ECM back to all the sensors, breakers etc in the engine bay. There is also another wiring loom that goes from the engine back to the dash area.(in a normal analog gauges and breaker panel with ignition switch setup). In your case this will more than likely go back to the PME distribution box. Nicola get some more pictures for us:- 1. Firstly The wiring loom the previous owner was making. 2. Picture of wiring at rear of dash pod (I think some digital gauges have been replaced already) 3. The wiring and plugs from PXE gateway box. 4. Picture of "10 way" plug that goes from engine to dash both ends.(see explanation below) I think the previous owner may have been looking at replacing wiring loom at the PXE to avoid purchasing a replacement unit. It could be done but will entail a full rewire with standard breakers, gauges and ignition switch. The GT40 wiring loom on the engine has a plug that then goes to dash panel. It is somewhat of a standard PCM setup. This wiring loom could be custom made locally but get a picture as you may already have this wiring but just need to modify it somewhat at the Gateway box and dash. The GT40 manual refers to this loom as the 10 way connector. Skidim refer to it as a eight prong plug harness. Happy to test your ECM for you PM me and I will send you my address. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: June-11-2014 at 4:05pm
| Hi guys... A little news but slowly, has startet a new Company wich have taken a lot of my time, next week im going to bring the boat back to my place and Them the project starts for Real :-) |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: June-12-2014 at 12:48pm
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Thanks for the update. Keep plugging away as you can. ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
Posted By: nicolajjetrider
Date Posted: June-19-2014 at 7:24am
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Hi Guys :) ITS HOME ! You can follow my new thread and build thread here: http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33896&PID=436065 Thanks ya all! |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: June-19-2014 at 10:25am
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Cool. I'll check you out on your other thread. Here's the direct link: http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33896&PID=436065" rel="nofollow - http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33896&PID=436065 |