Sanger DX II Build Quality?
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Topic: Sanger DX II Build Quality?
Posted By: supersonicus
Subject: Sanger DX II Build Quality?
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 1:23am
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Hi Guys, Anybody got any impute on the Sanger DX II's build quality? Big time CC guy here, but not a big fan of the current 200cb gel coat lines and CC does not want to deviate for me (if I'm going to drop 70k for a ski boat I need to be in love with it). Talked to Sanger today and the DX II really sounds like an interesting option and its priced right to boot. They do custom options too.. A few boats ago I strayed from CC with a Mastercraft Prostar and the build quality was less than impressive. Don't want to make a similar mistake again. Thanks, Matt |
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Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 9:34am
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Remember you guys saying the replacement for the 80' was a MC. Maybe you need a better hookup at CC, give Zack a call at N3 in Indy perhaps he can help you get exactly what you want in a 200. As far as Sanger, there is one regular here, Andy aka "GlassSeeker" who owns one, hopefully he will chime in. Thought I read somewhere they still do their stringers with wood. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 11:07am
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Build quality is excellent, they have been around for a long time. These are ski boats, so don't expect any of them to be Rolls Royces to begin with. Build materials may seem less but it's really out of simplicity. A bit thinner foam, carpet, vinyl, gauges. They remind me of the American Skier build quality of the 80s (awesome boats). A few late 90s boats in my crew and they've held up wonderfully. I would absolutely buy one before a current comparable M brand model. Did you change you mind on a BFN? ------------- |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 11:34am
My local CC dealer here is checking another avenue at the factory for the minor deviation in gel coat I would like. Indy is my next thought but I prefer to keep my business local if possible. Yes, they do still use wood stringers. They like the dampening quality and low weight of wood. Since their production volume is low the extra labor of stringing the boat in wood is not a problem for them. Makes sense to me... |
quinner wrote:Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 11:38am
I would love to do a bfn, but there is nothing really out there that makes sense for the way I would like to do it. I'm thinking new boat now. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 11:52am
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A crate XS 550 + 1985 Barefoot Nautique would be like half the price of a brand new boat. ------------- |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:11pm
True. My thought was to restore a early bfn up like a "correct" new boat with the exception of a warmed up big block. I just can't find a donor boat that makes sense. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:14pm
There is no extra labor involved with using wood stringers. The weight argument is incorrect- almost every alternative I can think of weighs less than wood. The dampening quality is an ok argument, but there are superior materials that would dampen just as well- theyre just more expensive. The only reasons to use wood are because its cheap and readily available. All of the major players (CC/MC/Bu) have found it worthwhile to invest in molds for their fiberglass stringers, and either leave them hollow or fill them with foam. It is probably more cost prohibitive to do that on a low volume builder like Sanger. Composite coring options that could be used in place of wood are not cheap- so they choose not to use them. Making an argument on the continued use of wood based on anything other than cost is really just marketing spin. Wood is simply a "good enough" material... and thats ok. All of the manufacturers have to make choices based on cost, volume and ROI. Bu and MC glue down their stringers, for example... not how I would do it, but "good enough" for a production boat. If youve got the coin for a new boat, and the time to dedicate to a project, you could have one BADASS rebuilt BFN. Heck, give me $40k and I'd build you a sweet one. 
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Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:18pm
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I like where HWs head is at. I am also interested in what type of price point a DX 11 with a hot motor is if you don't mind sharing? You'd never wear out a 550 in a footer because it would pull a couple guys 45 at about half throttle ha. Hw the XS has headers and the XR has exhaust manifolds. The XR saves you about 6k over the XS because of the shiny bling bling. The wood stringers seem bad but knowing what we all know now and (I assume better sub structure build quality than in the 70s and 80s) the DX being well cared for would probably last a lifetime without substructure repairs. Is there a Sanger dealer up north? ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:23pm
Tim, Lets start BFN Rebuilders LLC. Brand new barefooters for 35k. Completely dialed in and ready for another lifetime of footing.  ------------- |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:28pm
I don't think its out of line to share since they just emailed me a quote 45.7k with an Indmar 409. No dealers here, just factory direct. How sweet would the Barefoot Unique be with the 550 in it???;-) |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:30pm
25k??? |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:40pm
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That's not to shabby!! I bet you can trim a few extra $$$ off that if you get serious. ------------- |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:52pm
Hmmm. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:54pm
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There is a Sanger dealer 15 minutes from me. http://www.twinlakesmarine.com/m_vehicledetail.asp?pov=3368186" rel="nofollow - They have a brand new DXII Indmar 409 on the floor . Several weeks away from ice... ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:56pm
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Hw is on the right path. ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 12:58pm
How much would it be worth to ya to find out? It would probably be much more reasonable/reliable to put a 450 in it- but if you really needed the 550 my guess is you would be close to the price of that sanger - if the 450 would do then it would save you considerable coin. If your serious talk to Reidp/BJ and have them put you together a price on that package ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 1:09pm
How long have you been looking? Can't find it or don't want it (a BFN) anymore? ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 1:28pm
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I agree with HW and Joe... the 550 is supposedly a ~$20k option on CC's. I assume that is over the Excal, which SkiDIM sells for $9200. Those engines are not cheap. Even a 409 in a BFN would be a monster... it would be every bit of a 55mph boat, I would imagine. If youre looking for a brand new BFN, then look no further than the Barefoot Unique. If you want to do the project yourself, then you have to be patient- BFN's just dont pop onto the market every day. Zach, it'd be awesome to get into the business of restoring CC's... but add up the costs of structural, interior and engine work- not to mention all the general maintenance stuff and incidentals, let alone the exterior cosmetics- then pay yourself a decent rate on the labor. Dont forget the cost of the boat itself. If people are expecting "new" BFN's with composite structure and new bobtails, I dont think we'd be in business long if we sold them for $35k. At least not the way I work! Heck, Sanger is a low volume manufacturer and is using wood structure and theyre getting mid 40's, apparently. Im actually surprised its not higher. For $25k, I dont think you could buy a BFN and a 550, let alone marry them together or do any work on the thing! |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 1:40pm
Got one? |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 1:44pm
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Looks like its all settled. ZR 450 in the Barefoot Unique. A new Sanger isn't going to do 70mph. Are you giving up on that dream? ------------- |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 1:50pm
Even a 409 would be awesome in that boat. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 2:57pm
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Agreed Tim, If everyone here started paying themselves a labor rate nobody would own old boats we would just make payments on new ones!!! A 409 in a footer would be a bad dad package let alone a 450. Those high winding 6.0s would sure sound wicked through dual exhausts. ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 3:10pm
Is that how you want me to have them quote it? My guess is that it would save 4.5-6k over the 450. You could always add more power later, after the 409 is out of warranty and the money tree had grown back some. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 3:22pm
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 3:37pm
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Personally I would go to reid at racecity/PCI Marine to put in a 409.. as they deal PCM engines and are familiar with what it takes to properly install new engines in old boats - but yeah between the cost of the boat, engine, and install it wouldnt be cheap. Just worth it! The trade in of the current 351 *might* cover the install/refit cost (not including the engine of course) of the new 409, ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 3:43pm
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Last time I checked I had access to a NOS 390 with no Cats that was fairly affordable. Don't know if the piece is still around. PCM prices their re powers with all associated wiring and sensors to fit it in a non EFI boat. ------------- |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 3:56pm
| The late model engines are neat stuff. Miles and miles of care free fun. For me however, carburated big block all the way. Rebuilt and properly tuned 454 with few tweaks here and there, yummy... |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 4:00pm
+1 I'd add in the 1.23 trans as well though... to keep that prop spinning RH. That'll drive a shaft change too. |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 5:10pm
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Who cares about real GPS numbers....dial up the Airguides and go for a hot 302 in a Tique with the vents open .....makes you feel like you're going much faster than 70mph ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 5:45pm
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Who cares about Airguides!!! Get the trim just right, twist up that 9.9 and prepare for flight!  ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-31-2013 at 6:29pm
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Hw, that boat fits you so well. ------------- |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: November-03-2013 at 12:13am
Don't be so sure about that, they used to build boats much faster and Im sure they could pull one of those molds back inside and make another one, just won't be a DD. They use some some pretty high dollar treated wood called Aqua Beam. From what I understand it won't rot more or less the same thing people are building here with CPES and Fir stringers. |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: November-03-2013 at 7:04am
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when you guys say CPES do you mean Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer? ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-03-2013 at 7:11am
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Yes ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-03-2013 at 10:21am
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You have that right HW,Low weight,no wood and High Output 2 strokes are the way to go   ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-04-2013 at 10:23am
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I guess I should have said DXII... I'm up for a slow boat ride any time Gary! ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: November-04-2013 at 10:53am
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Gary, does that one have an in floor whisky chiller for HW's burbon? ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: November-04-2013 at 12:24pm
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Those certainly are pretty sweet rides.. Got to love the all around utility of aluminum oil burners. Sure correctcrafts are nice but they don’t quite compare to the power and pedigree of my classic mirrocraft sporting a direct from cypress gardens – new for 62 Johnson Super Sea Horse 40 seen here on the left. http://s62.photobucket.com/user/jhf6659/media/530068_3777336156085_1789344530_n_zpsb3852e3f.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Here it is in action – driven by my father - helping pull my 83 up to speed as it is struggling to pull a multiple ski run. Notice the lack of windshield - now I can't say for sure the used this exact boat at cypress but a 1962 40hp johnson super sea horse and no windshield.. what are the chances. http://s62.photobucket.com/user/jhf6659/media/IMG_0052.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Unfortunately due to the rarity and importance of the 62 I was forced to pull it off and put it in the garage this year and have replaced it with a newer Nissan – but she will still be available in case we need to pull it out when the old 83 just can’t get her done alone. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-04-2013 at 1:06pm
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At least she's still going Joe and saved for prosperity.Unfortunately Dad started using his in saltwater and the 64 Merc wasn't up to the task. Thats why the newer Merc is on there. Being at the time in his mid 80's I was not wild with the idea of him being out there by himself anyway so this helped a little. Zack you can put ice or fat sacks between the seats  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: November-04-2013 at 2:17pm
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Johnson made such a good engine back in the day Joe. We had a 77 25 hp on a fishing boat and later on a pontoon. It required two fuel filters and one CDI box in its entire existence. Was still on the lake up until 2 years ago or so. My brother has an 85 3 cylinder 70 horse Johnson that runs better than a fuel injected 2 stroke. I tracked down a fuel line leaking into the air box a few years ago and it was back in business. Seems as if they have fallen out of the new markets as a good brand which is a shame. ------------- |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: November-04-2013 at 2:55pm
| I think this is the 3rd or 4th topic this thread is on? Lets go for 5. |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: November-04-2013 at 3:09pm
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Once we couldnt talk you into spending your money to build us a sweet BFN to play with we had to find other ways to amuse ourselves. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: supersonicus
Date Posted: November-04-2013 at 3:20pm
| Ha, actually I'm good to go. It's my better half that's steeling my mojo right now. I'm working on her. |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: November-05-2013 at 12:55am
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On the serious side, if you are bringing the outboards into it ... It's pretty easy to get an outboard Barefoot Sanger up to to 70 mph. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-05-2013 at 8:32am
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I love old stuff, but one thing I don't reminisce about is old outboards, especially those oil burners from the 50's and 60's. My family had a 1958 Johnson 50 hp, one of the biggest hogs ever made, for 10 years. We'd bring 24 qts of Sinclair outboard oil with us for a 2 week vacation. It had ports in the cowling so you could change spark plugs without removing it. We were fortunate to have it but it was a pig. You guys ought to jump on that little Whaler like Correct Craft. That's a pretty cool little boat. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: November-05-2013 at 9:42am
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For the most part I agree with you Bruce, and would have nothing but an inboard for daily driver and tugging, but I do have a soft spot for old outboards. I could be talked into one of these in a heartbeat. There's one of these for sale for $1200 up by Uncle Todd's that I was almost thinking of having him go look at for me, but I am going to pass.  An older couple, friends of my parents, had one when I was a teen. I would offer to clean it for them and then go tear-assing around the lake in it. Fun little boats. There is something very nostalgic about the smell of the old 2-cycles. The 60s vintage motors like Joe's old sea horse, the variety of old evinrude styles (of which we had three on our old Thompson and Hiliner, and of course the old "towers of power" Mercs. My daughter's boss is into old Feathercrafts and has a couple. They are pretty cool too. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-05-2013 at 9:57am
Larry, I like the boats, just not the engines. Our journey into classic boats started with this 1962 Custom Craft Manta Ray we found out in a field in Albany, Maine. We paid $50 and sold it to a guy from CT for $300 after we found the Mustang. My wife was so impressed with the 500% profit, we've had the green light ever since. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: November-05-2013 at 10:10am
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I don't know Bruce, 500% profit is 500% profit, but that Manta Ray looks like a keeper to me. Did your wife's "green light" come with the understanding that you would be flipping all your other projects for a profit? That's a good one!!!! (not saying you couldn't turn a profit, saying I don't think it's too likely you will be selling any of your collection any time soon) ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: November-05-2013 at 10:39am
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Soo many toys so little time. Before my first mustang purchase reformed me I was the old outboard guy around these parts. I had literally dozens of them lying around most given to me in payment for working on other outboards. I have been thinning out the herd for the last 7 years and now after a trip to the scrap yard and some swaps at the local discount marine last week I am down to a 20, two 40s, and a 115. I had one of them orange and white gt 160s (two actually one was a parts boat) – 100 hp Johnson, it was fast and light but not so tough as my Tahiti so they went down the road cheap a move or two ago. At this point I don’t really have the desire to put energy into restoring or even maintaining a full glass hull with vinyl interior with outboard power but an aluminum utility that doesn’t even need to be winterized/covered/fussed with is still a thing of beauty. I traded a bellows job on an alpha for the mid nineties Nissan 40 hp for the mirrocraft and haven’t had time to mess with it due to a move hopefully it ends up reliable. The Johnson had run great for years without trouble but the ethanol the last two years was just causing havoc with the varnish coated cork float. Two carb rebuilds a summer for two years and off it came… would like to someday get a new float (nobody makes a modern replacement but there is still some nos cork around) and dip it in tank lining epoxy and see how it holds up. While I remain enamored with some of the old outboard designs, the new 4 strokes are just so much better I would find it hard to justify day to day usage of one of the classics, whereas the classic fiberglass inboards remain very usable relative to their modern day counterparts. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-05-2013 at 10:58am
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Larry, fortunately we all know that these old Correct Crafts are like having money in the bank, and the one thing you can't get back when you sell them, no matter how much money you get for them, is the time you put into them, so we're saving them. We've got a 1987 Johnson 9.9 that I bought new. It has been a great engine behind a Lund 14. We've taught many kids to ski behind it and me and a buddy even used to trick ski behind it quite a bit. I had to pay someone to service it for the first time last year. The power head was coming loose for some reason. I do like that engine and do like the smell of 2 cycle. Joe, the classic inboards are very useable and I think relatively inexpensive to get into. They're the best value in boating out there. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: November-05-2013 at 11:58am
My daily driver for about 13 years. Fun little boat with enough uuumph for barefooting and slalom.  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |