302 HMM Fuel Pump
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Printed Date: November-17-2024 at 11:41am
Topic: 302 HMM Fuel Pump
Posted By: djbarber80014
Subject: 302 HMM Fuel Pump
Date Posted: March-22-2014 at 7:41pm
| I am trying to locate a source for a fuel pump for a 1969 Holman Moody Marine 302cid |
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-22-2014 at 8:00pm
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Still have the original? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: djbarber80014
Date Posted: March-22-2014 at 8:34pm
| yes but the diaphragm is shot and the water separator has a hole in it |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-24-2014 at 2:06pm
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I was able to rebuild mine,turned out pretty good and works great. I also added a fitting to add a sight tube. [/IMG]  This was the replacement I used while rebuilding,the inlet and outlet are different but a longer hose fixed the inlet and since I use and Aeroquip hose for the outlet it was no trouble. Keep in mind the Aeroquip is not CG approved. The other problem is that the sight tube fitting is out the rear of the pump which then hits the oil pressure extension tube. I removed and plugged it and put it to the front.   http://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/ProductSearchResults.aspx?wid=141&kw=fuel%20pump%20canister" rel="nofollow - Here is a link for the canister,and http://www.maritimedragracing.com/antique_auto_parts_cellar.htm" rel="nofollow - here is where I got the rebuild kit. On the pump there are numbers on the flange that they will need so if you call have the pump handy. No need to mention that it's marine because it's not and second many places will not sell you marine rebuild parts. Just about any marine Ford pump will fit with maybe the above mentioned mods but few if any have the filter. If you choose to use one you may want to install a fuel/water seperator. If you end up with a new pump and are going to get rid of the old one,let me know. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-24-2014 at 8:13pm
David, Most likely your pump is screwed rather than riveted together. I feel Gary asking if you still have it is he's leading up to rebuilding and not you looking for a new pump. Even if the pump is riveted, they can be rebuilt by drilling out the rivets. I as well as many here rebuild since it's sometimes easier than finding a new old pump. What water separator?? A picture would be great since none of the CC's came with them back then. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
djbarber80014 wrote:Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-24-2014 at 9:30pm
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I believe he has just misidentfied the filter can on the pump Pete. Back in the good old days of Ford industrial engines they all had these pumps. I in fact got my canister from our mechanic at work,at the time he had several in stock.You used to be able to buy them at our Farm&Fleet too. The place that sells the rebuild kit also has the screws at an extra charge so you can make it look like new. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: April-04-2014 at 1:15am
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Hi. The correct fuel pump for a H/M marine engine is a Carter X. It is marked as such with a big X on the side and has a specific casting number on the flange. I believe it is 3618-S for the H/M marine version. They are automotive fuel pumps and are not CG approved. They are a bit hard to find but they show up on Mustang car forums every year or so. The original canister for the fuel filter had a textured surface. Replacement canisters that are a ail able have a hex nut bottom like the one in the photo. I sent mine in to Arthur Gould Revuilders Inc (www.arthurgouldrebuilders.com) and parted with $120.00 including shipping. The repair of the original canister was included. They are hard to find and you will be bidding against guys with Shelby Mustangs and Holman Moody race cars. They will buy a 3618-S and have it re-stamped 4441-S and change the bottom casting. There are 4 on eBay right now. They range from $949 to $1,250. Be very happy if you have the correct one. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 12:04am
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David, I see you were on site yesterday so what's up? Common courtesy dictates some kind of response. You ask, we deliver and nothing from you!!??  How about some pictures of the boat? A diary entry if the boat is a CC would be great too. Tell us more.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: djbarber80014
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 2:32pm
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John, I glanced briefly through my phone yesterday but was not in a position to respond; I am taking all the good information you are all supplying to note. At this point the boat is a mess and not worthy of photos beyond this one 
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 5:02pm
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David, Thanks for responding however I'm not to sure the picture posted is worth it due to that junk Fram filter you have on the engine!!  Yes, if you do some research, they are the worst out there. All marketing hype and poor filtering.------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 5:35pm
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Don't be so hasty there Pete. I saw a well known HM powered Mustang in the Mt Dora show that had a Fram. If it's good enough for a Meloon they should be good enough for us David tell us more about your boat and please show us some more current pictures! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 5:56pm
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That engine is BEAUTIFUL! I too would like to see the boat. It looks like you may have the original fuel pump and filter canister on the engine now. It is a bit hard to see in the photo but i'm pretty sure. I will be watching this to see how it progresses. I have been distracted on another "emergency" project again and haven't gotten anything done on my Mustang yet. I commonly see the fuel line hacked like yours has been between the fuel pump and the carburetor by adding an inline filter. Some people apparently don't realize that the fuel pump canister contains a filter that is much larger than the puny inline they placed between the fuel pump and the carburetor. I guess that is for fuel that picks up a lot of contamination between the fuel pump and the carburetor. The fuel pump canister allows moisture to separate from the fuel and sink to the bottom. The originals are frequently rusted out because few owners take them off periodically to dump the water and replace the filter. It is much better to have a steel line between the fuel pump and carburetor. all of the added rubber lines and fittings are potential leaks, as is the cheap plastic in-line filter. I don't like fuel leaks in boats. BTW what carburetor is on the engine. It looks like the original Autolite C8AF AE carburetor on there too. Don't let that slip through your hands!!!! It will be more expensive than the fuel pump to replace. It was used on very early Shelby GT350s, police interceptors, and some race cars built by Holman Moody but not generally on "regular" cars. There are owners out there who would love to find that. It is a bit odd that they have removed the oil pressure sending unit and replaced it with a mechanical gauge under the dog house. also, that ugly green color on the throttle and shift brackets appears to be original. Every H/M that I have seen that were unmolested were like that including both of mine. http://www.mustangtek.com/4100/C8AF-AE.html" rel="nofollow - Autolite C8AF AE I would like to hear more about your project. Here is where you will find the X on your Carter X. They were rated for higher fuel flow than the standard units and were used on some performance BBFs, particularly the FE motors and also on nearly all Holman Moody and Shelby engines.  ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 7:35pm
John, I completely missed the hacked fuel line!! That orange thing on the engine distracted me! Yup, the USCG would not be happy with that inline filter. As John mentions, a steel line on the high pressure side of the fuel pump is best. Some hack must not know what's up!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 7:47pm
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I don't know John,looks like a 2 bbl to me.If it is it's the 200 hp model like mine. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 9:43pm
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I think you're right Gary. On second look it does appear to be a 2V.You are a better observer. It looks to be very nice and complete. It's nice to see another one out there. I tried to read the HIN in the photo but can't tell if it is an M or an MSS. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-06-2014 at 11:20pm
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Wood motor box too John,I wonder if the back seat is wood or glass? More pictures please David! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: djbarber80014
Date Posted: April-07-2014 at 12:35pm
| Bottom of canister is rusted and the canister did not have a filter in it. Diaphragm is a mess so it does not move fuel. Back seat and floor panels are glass, back pad for the back seat is original; no seat pad. Original fuel tank was rusted but had a good friend fabricate a stainless tank to replace it. One original Airguide and one international above the steering wheel. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-07-2014 at 4:20pm
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What is the serial number David ?,one that John had and mine were 27 boats apart! Mine is 2567 built in December 68 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |