UH OH! Did we hose the engine?
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Topic: UH OH! Did we hose the engine?
Posted By: nautique_man
Subject: UH OH! Did we hose the engine?
Date Posted: May-06-2014 at 10:22pm
 We've got a 2008 CC 206 with a PCM EX 343. Husband's boat-(I'm the cheap good looking mechanic)  Anyway, to make a long story short, he winterized the boat last fall, and started it up this spring. BUT, he forgot to open the fresh water valve  and drove it for about 10 minutes until the engine went into reduced power mode. He went back to the dock, engine was hot (of course). He is going down this weekend to check it out, to see if any damage was done. Herein lies the question: how do you check for damage in a situation like this-and what tools are necessary-I've ordered the Rinda Techmate scan tool-as that would give us a starting point to look for any freezeframe stored codes, and also any current codes that the engine is throwing. Any other suggestions? Compression test? Impeller involvement? I'm open to suggestions. Oh yes, he will open the fresh water valve this weekend.
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Posted By: mark c
Date Posted: May-06-2014 at 10:41pm
| About the only thing you can do, is change the oil, and change the raw water pump impellar. Any other damage if there is any is already done at this point, but 10 minutes without cooling water is not all that bad, at idle or low speed operations. Did it loose oil pressure, or start making any weird mechanical noises prior to being shutdown? |
Posted By: baitkiller
Date Posted: May-06-2014 at 10:44pm
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The impeller is toast. Start there. Pull hoses fore and aft of the pump because the pieces will go both directions. Back flush until you find most if not all the pieces from what used to be your impeller. Next concern is the exhaust. Look at the risers, is the paint blistered? Look at the hoses, are they melted? Service as found. I would probably change the riser gaskets as a precautionary measure. Check the oil for water, pull the oil fill cap and look for droplets or emulsion. If water is found, forget all the above and go to the nearest bar. Order a double, and another. \ Pics needed or course. Not of the boat but of the hot mechanical wife types. ------------- Jesus was a bare-footer............. |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: May-07-2014 at 1:02am
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My first concern after replacing the impeller would be the head gaskets. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: May-07-2014 at 1:25am
+1 john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
baitkiller wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-07-2014 at 7:53am
I'd suggest trading in your husband and keeping the boat!  Yes, we all do make mistakes and hopefully his will not cause major issues.------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: May-07-2014 at 11:23am
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Your fiberglass exhaust down hoses after the manifolds could be a problem, as the other guys said, new impeller, if the old one is missing peices check the hoses for the impeller shrapnel. After that run it and watch everything, temp gauge, hoses for leaks, etc. My guess is you will be OK, limp mode may have saved the day. |
Posted By: nautique_man
Date Posted: May-07-2014 at 3:28pm
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Ok guys, this is what the plan is after looking at responses, talking with the dealer, and with PCM: 1. Replace Impeller 2. Check for shrapnel from impeller 3. Clear hoses around impeller by flushing out with water 4. Check Oil, make sure no water in it/thinned out 5. Feel exhaust hoses for soft areas 6. Start boat, run Techmate scan for logged/freezeframe codes and for live codes-as sensors might have overheated 7. Hold breath and hopefully not have to go to bar. Nautique tech did say that ECM scan is critical so glad i ordered it. Will send mechanic pics if you all prove to be on the money about this! |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: May-07-2014 at 6:41pm
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I would take everything in this thread to the bank except what was posted by Me, PBrain, Jbear, TimD, Baitkiller & Mark C.....
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Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: May-07-2014 at 6:59pm
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When looking for pieces of the impeller, take the thermostat out, sometimes they get stuck under it. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: nautique_man
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 8:30pm
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Ok Boys, He got the old impeller out-and not too bad, not too bad I don't think, but look for yourselves-next step is replacing it, and then using scan tool. Stand by for more info. Susan   |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 8:46pm
| At least you don't have to go looking for lost vanes, they seem to all be in tact just abraded a little. |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 8:48pm
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susan the nautique man? when I saw the first post I assumed a mechanic named nautique man with a husband was a gay couple...guess I've been wrong before. that impeller doesn't look too bad at all...of course, I've never seen one out of the packaging so I have zero point of reference, but at least all the spinny things are still there. ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: nautique_man
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 8:53pm
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Yes, I was thinking that we don't have to go on a fishing trip for lost vanes. So far so good. Nope, sign-on is due to husband, too much work making another, I'm just a mechanic wife that is in charge of driving the boat, and fixing it for free. |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 8:55pm
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do you have a sister? if so there will be line ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: nautique_man
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 8:58pm
| Nope. They broke the mold when they made me. Only one in a line-my father was a mechanic...his father was a mechanic....my uncles were all mechanics...you know the movie. Same idea. |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 9:32pm
Dies it have positraction?  ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: nautique_man
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 10:06pm
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Ok! Impeller replaced. Started boat.Then ran Techmate scan- the only code that came up was a freezeframe code of overheat- expected that. No current codes. Operating parameters seem to be normal- so he's taking it out tomorrow and see how it runs. Bullet dodged, bar time averted.  Appreciate the input. Susan |
Posted By: cphase
Date Posted: May-09-2014 at 10:57pm
Wrong piece of equipment  To completely diagnose the issue you will need a Hewlett-Packard model 5710a with flame analyzing detectors preferably the floor model since it was turbo-charged!  ------------- Thanks, Jeff http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6549" rel="nofollow - 82 SN http://www.archlinux.org" rel="nofollow - Arch Linux |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: May-10-2014 at 1:03am
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how is Jbear's computer going to help? ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: hotboat
Date Posted: May-10-2014 at 9:38am
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------------- Brian |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: May-10-2014 at 12:21pm
THIS is Classic....Love it! Great Line, Great Quote and all filmed locally.... YES!...... It's Open and it's Real!  Sorry for the thread jack.... Yes, that impeller is toast and appears to all be there. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: MustangMadness
Date Posted: May-10-2014 at 12:54pm
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Glad you ended right side up, but I would still change the oil. Now let's see some pics of the one and only hot mechanic.. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-10-2014 at 1:11pm
 ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: nautique_man
Date Posted: May-10-2014 at 2:36pm
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Ok so boat test drive is this afternoon-I feel pretty confident that it's going to go well. Yes, will change oil soon. Nice to see the real sac o suds exist. Yes, will entertain you all in a few weeks with a picture you are dying for, though probably not all that exciting. Has to wait until this leg cast comes off in a few weeks-I do think my virtual fix with my helper onsite worked pretty good this time
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Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: May-12-2014 at 11:06pm
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