351 commander help
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Printed Date: October-08-2024 at 12:43pm
Topic: 351 commander help
Posted By: rob1911
Subject: 351 commander help
Date Posted: May-15-2014 at 1:09pm
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hey guys first time posting on here, iv been looking for a cheap boat for the last couple of months and one of my old slalom buddies calls me up and says he knows where i can get a free 84 american skier I'm only 19 so she was right in my price range. i scooped it up yesterday and pulled her home, the guy i got it from said it had been sitting for two years, but ran fine prior. she was completely filled with rotten leaves so i tore out the carpet and spent forever pressure washing everything. I already got a new starter, plugs and a battery, turns over with the key still !! so what i really need now is to find out where i can get parts to she if it will start. i can't seem to find much of anything. i know i need a new impeller, distributor cap, and fuel filter. thanks for any help in advance! |
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Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: May-15-2014 at 1:29pm
| Congratulations! First off, do you have the title clear and in hand? Otherwise this could turn into a he said she said battle with terms of grand theft thrown in. I've seen it happen. Parts are common and can be through supporting businesses of this site. Make sure your starter is for the correct rotation, right hand presumably. Stay away from places like auto zone, the guys here will rip you a new one. Always remember there's a difference between a marine part and it's look-similar twin auto part that cost half as much. |
Posted By: rob1911
Date Posted: May-15-2014 at 3:29pm
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yes i have the title !! also yes i made sure it was the correct right hand rotation starter. i gave christens marine a call waiting on call back |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: May-15-2014 at 4:17pm
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Nice find Rob, Free is always extra sweet. I already have a couple concerns. First off, I hope you know that an '84 American Skier would not be a Correct Craft. So, you ether have a typo on the model year or you own an American Skier. Fantastic boat I might add. You'll love it. I own an '86. If indeed it is an American Skier that boat never had a RH rotation engine installed in it. They all came out of the factory with LH engines so you have the wrong starter on it if you installed a RH. You mention Christen's Marine and waiting for a call. I assume you mean Christines' Marine and are inquiring about new upholstery? Christine's Marine will only cater to Correct Craft so if you're talking about American Skier, they won't help you. I've already tried that. Lastly, post some pics. I would love to see some and if it's truly an American Skier, I can turn you on to another Skier specific website. The guys here however are awesome and they might give you a little grief but it's all in good fun. Stick around, you'll learn a lot that can help you in maintaining your boat from them. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: rob1911
Date Posted: May-16-2014 at 12:44pm
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Sorry about that i did not know correct craft ever made a model called the american skier. It is a actual american skier produced boat. As for the starter i got lucky, I actually purchased the right one. there is a small electrical repair shop near me, i took the old one in there and he looked it over and sold me a new LH starter. and yes Christines' Marine I just left a voicemail asking if they had any 351 commander parts. i got a call back yesterday and they asked for some pics of the motor to find out which marine make it was. i just asked about a new impeller fuel filter and distributor cap. heres some pics http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2742_zps6b71f7ca.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2741_zpsd8d1018e.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2740_zpscbd9182c.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2739_zps30b2b1e0.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2738_zps0c21d090.jpg |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: May-16-2014 at 12:51pm
    
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Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: May-16-2014 at 12:55pm
That's a nice looking boat  Fore engine parts, take a look at N3Boatworks, Nautiqueparts and Skidim. Skidim especially has a cool marinization identification page: http://www.skidim.com/marinization.asp" rel="nofollow - http://www.skidim.com/marinization.asp |
Posted By: rob1911
Date Posted: May-16-2014 at 6:36pm
thanks ! i like the baby blue, going to look nice when she gets all buffed out  might be a dumb question but will it be ok if i use pcm parts for there 351 or do i have to find commander specific parts. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-16-2014 at 6:54pm
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Don't buy parts for the marinizer buy what you need by who made the part. Look up or post a picture of the pump,Commander didn't make it, it could be a Jabsco or Sherwood etc.The distributor is the same,there will be a tag on it,perhaps a Mallory or Prestolite and go from there. You'll have to get rid of those pvc exhausts and duct tape clamps too  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-16-2014 at 9:07pm
Yup, I agree! Someones been doing a "back yard hack job" on it!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Gary S wrote:Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: May-16-2014 at 9:15pm
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Those are probably the American Skier mufflers. They are a little different than CC's Nice find, cool boat. |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: May-17-2014 at 3:54pm
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wow...heard this story while me & Eddie were footing this am. Very nice looking boat-you are gonna love it. Keep the pics coming as you clean it up! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: rob1911
Date Posted: May-17-2014 at 5:43pm
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yeah its definitely been rigged up somewhat i think the guy who owned it before had very little mechanical know how... or was just lazy. once i know the motors solid I'm going to start looking else where. I'm going to cut out the old fiberglass floor first and gut everything out off there and start fresh ! i noticed the bench seat upfront is glassed to the dash... i don't want to have to cut it out and reglass it in, but i can't think of any other way to get to the rotten floor out and replaced from under the bench seat ??? i got some part numbers off of the distributor, its a prestolite marine SAE-j1171 D3JL-12100-0 3 B 7 IBM7008s 2 S in that order. on the fresh water pump i could not find any manufactures name. i took a pic of the numbers on the pump, http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2760_zps30f6ad09.jpg and the fuel/water separator should be easy to find it is a merc. going to look for everything part wise when i gett of work tonight, used up my 30 min lunch break getting the part numbers |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-17-2014 at 6:06pm
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The distributor has the screw down cap,I think with that info and the info you posted above will get you the parts you need for it. Maybe even a NAPA will have them in their marine catalog,Prestolite marine distributor with screw down style cap. The pump picture looks like a fuel pump pic to me,take another from a little further out getting the whole thing in the pic. That whole boat should clean up real nice,great find! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: rob1911
Date Posted: May-17-2014 at 7:20pm
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right on ! il try nappa tomorrow theres a shop real close to me. and yes i took a picture of the fuel pump lol here is the water pump, it is a sherwood pump. http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2780_zps89075f19.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2779_zpsf4bb19f5.jpg and I'm guessing my impeller will be inside here http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2777_zpsd22f8b10.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b612/robharvey296/IMG_2774_zpsf93595ba.jpg thanks for the help !! |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-17-2014 at 7:39pm
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Here is a pdf on the pump,it also shows it apart so you can figure how to take apart. Don't lose that pic you took so when you put it back on you do it right,it will fit back on 2 different ways,but only one will work correct. Genuine Sherwood impellers are best. http://www.sherwoodpumps.com/FileAttachments/Marine-Distribution/en-us//Literature/MPG_3047_09959_TECH.pdf" rel="nofollow - pdf for pump ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-17-2014 at 9:11pm
Rob, The CCfan site does not automatically post links. Go to "post reply" and not "quick reply" click on the world icon and a window will pop up where you put the description. Clicking OK, the next widow is where you past the copied address. PLEASE use the preview feature to check your posts. You have done it twice in this thread!!
Plus, having an American Skier on a CC site isn't the greatest!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: May-17-2014 at 9:12pm
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right on ! il try nappa tomorrow theres a shop real close to me. and yes i took a picture of the fuel pump lol here is the water pump, it is a sherwood pump.   and I'm guessing my impeller will be inside here Actually, that's your tranny cooler. Your impeller will be in the Sherwood mentioned above -Brian   thanks for the help !! |
Posted By: rob1911
Date Posted: May-19-2014 at 1:04pm
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yeah sorry about the links ! i got in now. and yeah i was prepared to catch some *************** for posting here lol I'm correct craft biased for sure thoe, so this was the first site that came to mind. all the boats the family owned has always been correct craft everyone on my lake has nautique and correct craft as well so iv already been getting a hard time from them 
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Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: May-19-2014 at 1:58pm
The observers seat base is a part of the deck. The only way to properly remove it is to remove the deck. It really isn't difficult. The rub rail cover strip comes off and then there are about 100 stainless screws that attach the deck to the hull through the rub rail. Unplug the wiring harness from the engine and pull the plug harness back up to the dash so that comes out with the dash when you lift the deck off. The steering, throttle and shift cables need to be disconnected from the helm and throttle control. You'll also have to remove the rear seat back and disconnect the gas tank fittings (filler and vent tube) and sender wiring as well as the anchor light wiring. Undo the speedo tubes from the top of the brass oscillation tubes mounted on the transom right behind the gas tank as that tubing is run through the deck gunnels. Unscrew the observer seat base screws from the floor and with two or three other guys the deck will lift off really easy. You can set it on four saw horses then and have easy access to the floor and hull. I know it sounds like a lot but it really isn't that bad and sooooo much easier to work on then. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |