Electrical
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Printed Date: November-17-2024 at 12:34pm
Topic: Electrical
Posted By: enjoyinglife
Subject: Electrical
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 12:38pm
| I just replaced my ignition switch and starter and cleaned battery cables and charged my battery. When I go to start my 1999 Super Sport, the first or second turn of the key, I get nothing. Not even a clicking sound. But when I turn the key a third time, the boat starts right up. It always starts but I get nervous when we are out in the middle of the lake. There must be a corroded wire or bad connection but I have no idea where to look. I have also been reading discussions about deep cycle batteries and starting batteries. Which is recommended for my boat? |
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Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 12:46pm
| You'll want a starting battery. How's the starter solenoid? Typically mounted top rear of older engines, modern ones idk. Sounds like it's going bad. My experience with them is so bad I almost want to carry a spare. |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 12:50pm
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I was having the same issue this weekend and solved it by replacing my 1983 solenoid with one I had lying around from 1985 (should be good for at least another two years) That is not to say that you don't also have some low voltage or connection issues, but an weakening solenoid would also be more likely to be effected by a lower voltage supply. Considering it is the only part of the starting circuit outside of the wiring you didn't replace it is the likely next step. I was lucky enough to be able to repeat my problem with a voltmeter in hand or I probably would have replaced the same parts you did. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: enjoyinglife
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 1:17pm
| I had to replace the switch and starter as the key stuck in the ignition and kept the starter running. By the time I disconnected the battery the starter was on fire. I'll check the solenoid. I am assuming that "starter battery" simply means a normal car battery. I believe I have a deep cycle. What are the concerns with a deep cycle? |
Posted By: HatterBee
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 1:33pm
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Deep cycle batteries are designed to drain down with moderate loads applied to it over a long period of time. A starting battery is designed to take high loads at short periods of time. Using either battery for what it is not designed for will give you poor performance. Besides it is difficult to find a good deep cycle that will provide the amount of cranking amps needed to turn these motors over as many times we normally start and stop over a long period of time. You are way better off with the staring battery. I'm sure others will chime in as well. ------------- 1977 Ski Nautique Under Re-construction http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25004&title=1977-ski-nautique-rebuild" rel="nofollow - My Rebuild Thread |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 1:41pm
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You might not of had the key stuck. One of the side affects of using a deep cycle is that they weld the contacts in the solenoid keeping the starter turning ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: enjoyinglife
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 3:22pm
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The solenoid is connected to the starter, correct? I replaced that with the starter.(included) Or is there an ignition solenoid located somewhere else? When you talk about a starting battery, do you mean just a standard car battery? What cold cranking amps are recommended? |
Posted By: oldcuda
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 5:22pm
| May be a starter relay before the solenoid.Had same issue myself last week changed solenoid on starter next day no problem.600-650 cca marine starting is usually plenty. |
Posted By: enjoyinglife
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 6:21pm
I don't really understand the reasoning behind this. Can anyone explain. The reason my starter stuck was definately because of a faulty ignition switch as I had to break the key off to remove the ignition from the dash. I am leaning toward changing the starter rely since its only $20.00 |
Gary S wrote:Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 6:29pm
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Never mind--- I didn't realize it was a 99. Earlier engines have a separate relay/solenoid mounted on the rear of the engine. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 6:39pm
For what it's worth, I almost always run a group 24 dual purpose with no problems (my solenoid problems are on another vehicle). I do this bc unrelated reasons. That's probably what you're running bc I don't think a group 27 deep cycle will fit. Have the battery checked, if it's ok I'd use it for rest of season. |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 6:43pm
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if there is a starter relay and not a remote solenoid then yes by all means replace that ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 7:20pm
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There very well may be a remote solenoid as well as the one that's attached to the starter. I think many of the more modern ford motors are like this. The remote should/would be under that black plastic cover on the back of the motor (towards the front of the boat on a V-drive) and look like this: 
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Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 9:12pm
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Randy, What you are describing sounds exactly what my engine was doing. I first replaced the starter but the same problem persisted. Sometimes just a click, sometimes it would start. I then replaced the starter solenoid which is pictured above and located on the back of my 1993 engine. My engine now cranks over with gusto on the first key turn every time. I was able to purchase the relay switch at a marina close to my home. Admittedly, it is a big store - but I'm just saying that on-line shopping is not your only option. I took in the old relay, they looked up the part number and gave me a new one right away. And you don't need a deep cycle battery. Look at the specs in your owners manual. Going by memory, you need a regular group 65 battery (size) with 350 CCA's. I think I purchased a battery with something like 850 CCA's. DO NOT tell the person at the parts store you are buying it for a boat. They will try to give you a deep cycle battery all day long, but that is not what you need for a Ski Nautique. Somebody back me up on the group size and CCAs please. ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
Posted By: enjoyinglife
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 9:57pm
I am pretty sure the solenoid is on the starter but this is the relay I was thinking might be the culprit. I still have to confirm that the yellow wire from the starter connects to this relay. It's on the front of the motor. I am thinking about contacting tech support to get a wiring schematic. I will double check for a second solenoid as well. |
Posted By: enjoyinglife
Date Posted: July-14-2014 at 10:09pm
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Below is a pic of my starter. Isn't that the solenoid on the top? This is why I'm puzzled. I have replaced this whole unit plus the ignition and still it takes a few turns on the key to get the starter turning. Not even a click, just dead than after I return the key to the off position and 'retry' the boat starts right up. 
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Posted By: oldcuda
Date Posted: July-15-2014 at 12:05am
| Yep that's the solenoid I am not really familiar with the Fords/PCM but there is probably a relay in the circuit somewhere before the power gets to that. |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: July-15-2014 at 1:17am
Yup. Well, that's one of them.
This one is for either the fuel pumps or ECM, not the starter. |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: July-15-2014 at 1:31am
 This photo helps explain it a little. On the older boats, this WAS the starter relay and the starter was just the starter, no relay attached to it. On the later Fords, this became the relay to the relay. Not sure why they kept using the old remote relays with the newer starters, maybe cause it was a hub for other electrical stuff. But I'm guessing you have one of these guys in there behind the black square cover and if you do, it could be what's giving you problems. That said, you want to get a starting battery too. |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: July-15-2014 at 3:03am
Randy - you are correct. That is a relay, not a solenoid. I still stand by the fact that I replaced that relay and I don't have the problems you are describing any longer. Your 99 might have a newer/different relay, but I bet that is the problem. That, and you have the wrong kind of battery.  ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
Posted By: enjoyinglife
Date Posted: July-21-2014 at 1:41pm
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SCORE!!! I changed the remote solenoid under the black cover and my baby starts immediately. And for an encore I replaced the steering cable. Now I can steer her with one finger. Thanks for all your help. Randy |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: July-21-2014 at 3:02pm
Nice  Glad to hear that worked out. |