prop recommendations
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Topic: prop recommendations
Posted By: JPASS
Subject: prop recommendations
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 9:14am
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After replacing the ProTec in our boat, I wound up dinging the stock 3 blade OJ on a tree stump in my buddy's canal when we took it out for a test drive the other day. There's no detectable vibration at the wheel or through the drivetrain, but I am definitely going to have it sent out to be repaired eventually. I was also wondering what would be a good prop for a 92SN closed bow should I decide to just replace instead of repair my existing prop. I don't really care about top end as I spend very little time at WOT. I do notice the boat can sluggish when trying to pull up heavier people (240+lb) with a fully loaded boat. So may be something with a much better holeshot. I know ACME is always coming up in these types of threads. So what do you guys recommend? ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 9:21am
| My experience is a new Acme is not much more pennies than repairing a prop. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 10:09am
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A new acme will cost 2-3x any prop repair I've ever heard of, but still worth it. I probably would not pay any money to have a federal fixed, you can probably find one in good shape for less money than a repair would cost. Better yet, fix it by hand and put it on the shelf as a spare and put the $ towards a new prop. Jpass, proboss? Propping a boat for best all around use is best done by determining wot performance IMHO- even if you "don't care about top end speed". So baseline performance numbers would be helpful to have in order to give you the best recommendation. |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 10:31am
If that's your experience, you better find a new prop shop. I concur with Tim, 2-3x the cost for a new Acme over repaired. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Orlando76 wrote:Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 10:41am
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it's a 5.8L Pro Boss 351W with a 1.23:1 trans. I believe I have a 13x13 OJ. When I ran her Saturday before I dinged the prop I hit about 45-46 at 4900 RPMs. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 11:01am
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Stock prop on that boat is a 14x16 and would result in numbers similar to what you posted. 13x13 is a 1:1 prop. You want an acme 422. |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 11:11am
I agree, need to find a new prop shop! I did not try Delta bc at the time I may or may not have realized they repair federals. Since JPass and I are local to each other I figd I'd offer my experience to him and say locally, repairs do not pay off. It's less than $100 savings in the end. Idk, maybe deep down I wanted to try an Acme and needed the extra push. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 11:24am
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I wouldn't "pass" up a deal on a 654 or 470 either. ------------- |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 11:34am
Add 1442 to that "pass" list also. But I feel like Tim the 422 would be my first choice with 1442 second then 654 third and 470 fourth. They will all be far better than your old Federal. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: a0128
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 1:17pm
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Check out this link - may be helpful. http://www.wakemakers.com/nautique-wakeboard-boat-propellers While yours is not a Sport, the prop recommendations would be valid. |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 1:26pm
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I was trying to post some pics of the markings on my prop, but I keep getting an error message (same as others). Here's a video showing some slop I have in the prop. The side to side movement is only the prop, not the shaft. Is this normal or did hitting the stump do more damage than I thought? ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 2:58pm
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Your Prop is not seated into your shaft. Buy some valve lapping compound, spread a little around on the shaft taper where the prop sits, put a little in the prop also. Mist it with a little water then put the prop on the shaft with no key way in place. Spin it on the shaft while gently moving it forward. Keep doing this for several minutes. Wash off with soap and water. Now install the prop on the shaft with no key way again. You might wipe the shaft with a little WD 40 or a light oil at this point. As you install the prop now and slide it forward it should slip forward and stick in place due to a good fit. Mark your shaft on the engine side of the prop so you know how far it needs to slide on to fit properly. You may need a prop puller or a gentle tap with a rubber mallet to pop it off at this point. Lastly make sure your key way fits the shaft properly, should be no play. Make sure the key way also fits your prop well. Install the prop with a key way on the final install. Make sure the prop slides all the way on and matches up to the mark you put on the shaft. If it matches the mark on the shaft you can install the lock nut and cotter key. If it does not match back up to your mark on the shaft you need to find out why. Usually it means the cotter key is not fitting well and you may need to file it for clearance. After you run it with a properly seated prop you will need a good prop puller to get it off each time. There are good Utube video's showing this procedure and you can even use some Prussian blue to test fit your prop and look for good contact on the shaft. The taper fit is what locks the prop to the shaft, the key way and nut will fail if the taper fit is not good. Your prop will also run smoother if fit properly. |
Posted By: mark c
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 4:14pm
| Also make sure the Key isn't sitting so far forward its in the arc of the groove where the keyway was cut. This lifts uf the front edge of the key and won'tlet your prop slide all the way forward and sit on the taper properly as it jamms the very front edge of the key into the prop keyway and all your torque is being transmitted thru the key into the shaft. |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 5:00pm
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Your prop is not on correctly in that video. Your boat and mine are awfully similar. I purchased a 422 and am very pleased with the performance. Great power out of the hole and good top-end speed. Here's a link from the FAQ: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12866&KW=proper+prop&PID=145077&title=proper-prop-installation#145077" rel="nofollow - Proper Prop Installation ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 5:10pm
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The castle nut was loose enough to remove by hand. The prop pulled right off with no effort at all. Definitely not seated properly. I have some valve lapping compound and will lap everything together. I still cannot post pics, so I can't show you the keyway and key. I took some quick vids and will post as soon as they upload to YouTube. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 5:16pm
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Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 5:59pm
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So I lapped the crap outta everything and it fits much better. Took quite a few whacks with a piece of wood and mallet to get it off after the first dry fit without the key. When I put the key back it was about flush with the end of the prop before I cranked on the nut. I tightened everything as tight as I could by hand. There's very little play (almost none really). Front of prop lined up with my tape mark. Still need to get another cotter pin. I'm assuming it's safe to loosen the castle nut enough to line up the holes as opposed to trying to tighten it up to get the holes to line up. Nautique has cotter pins, but they are closed when I get off work. Wondering if Ace carries SS cotter pins? Anyone know? Am I good to go with my install? ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: baitkiller
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 6:06pm
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Any hardware store (not home improvement store) will have SS pins as will NAPA. ------------- Jesus was a bare-footer............. |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 6:18pm
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Loosening the castle nut to get the cotter in is standard practice. You don't really have to tighten them that tight either. As long as it's seated right the prop will tighten itself to the prop shaft. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 6:24pm
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Awesome. I can still see the ramp portion of the key-way on the strut side of the prop. I'm assuming this is normal. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 6:38pm
You probably already know, but to save you a toe or knock on the forehead, leave the castle nut on a few turns so when the prop lets go it stays on the shaft rather than flying into thin air. Sounds like you're good to go! Now back to your prop selection decision ..... ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 6:54pm
| Sounds like you made good progress, it should be quieter and smoother properly seated. I have run your prop, a OJ 14x16 4 blade and recently a 224 Acme 4 blade, with the 310 HP Pro Boss GT40 in our Ski Nautique I like the 224 the best but have not yet tried a 422. The 4 blades seem smoother than the 3 blade and acceleration is better while top speed is similar. |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 7:07pm
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I'm going to keep an eye out for an ACME 422 ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 7:09pm
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Me too! I'm running a 1442 on my Sport but want to try the 422 after reading Mark's comments on it. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 8:18pm
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Remember to take your old cotter pin with you to Ace to make sure you purchase the correct size. ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-11-2014 at 8:43pm
way ahead of you, but thanks for the reminder. I always bring the old part, or at least a pic, when hitting the stores for a replacement. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: tjca77
Date Posted: August-12-2014 at 12:36am
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Just saw a used 422 for sale over on planet. Here is the link if you are interested. http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=29880 |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-12-2014 at 9:29pm
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New cotter pin installed. Had to back the nut off a hair, but it's hardly finger tight. Too loose? ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-12-2014 at 9:51pm
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The nut DOESN'T hold the prop on. It's a properly fit taper. I've had boats with NO prop nut and the prop is still fine!!! Lap it to the shaft!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-12-2014 at 9:57pm
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I understand that Pete. Just making sure. I also understand the prop will tighten when I put it in the water first time after reinstalling prop. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-12-2014 at 10:45pm
No, the prop should be tight on it's taper before it goes in the water. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-12-2014 at 11:02pm
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It's as tight on the taper as it's going to get. I guess I'll find out how I did when I take her out this Saturday. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-17-2014 at 9:57pm
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My prop is a right handed prop correct? I'm looking at a used Acme 422 for $205. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: August-17-2014 at 10:37pm
| Yeah |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-17-2014 at 10:42pm
Just wanted to confirm. There are no markings on the prop notating rotation direction that I can see. Took it out Saturday. Didn't feel any abnormal vibration, but then again there's always enough to make the dash mounted mirror shake. It's one of those things where you're not sure if the vibration has always been there or is new now that you're paying attention and looking for it. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 9:25pm
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So a forum member kindly offered me a replacement OJ like I have for next to nothing or I can get this used Acme 422 for $205. We wakeboard 99% of the time. http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/showthread.php?29880-ACME-422-For-Sale" rel="nofollow - Link To Ad ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 9:37pm
| FWIW, I don't think I could ever try any other prop but an Acme. Plus $205 doesn't sound bad. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 9:38pm
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You definitely should go with the 422 over another OJ. I saw that ad mentioned earlier, it's a long way away from me and the guy only has 3 posts on PN, so be careful. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 9:45pm
I thought about that. His reply to me asking if it was still for sale: "Yes - still for sale. Replaced it with a 654 as previous owner was more of a skier than a wakeboarder. The 654 gives me better starts when the ballast tanks and bags are full. I don't really need the top end the 422 provides. I can send it COD via UPS. You would need to present the driver with a Cashier's Check or Money Order. Thanks, Mark" ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: a0128
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 10:02pm
I'd be careful too, however I am a pretty trustworthy guy. New to PN and CCF. Bought a 1999 Pro Air Nautique a couple of months ago and loving it! Prior boat was a 1979 Ski Nautique. |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 10:14pm
| Wowza. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 10:31pm
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Hi Mark, and welcome to CCF! No offense intended obviously, just have to be careful buying "stuff". Jpass, guess it's safe to buy the 422, so go for it! Quite a difference moving to the Pro Air from your '79 Ski, huh. I love having all the room for gear in a bigger boat. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 10:35pm
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Mark agreed to send it and accept payment on delivery. That's pretty hard to turn down. He has to have some trust in me to make such an offer. Thanks to everyone for the help. Can't wait to try out the new prop. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Airfooter
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 10:40pm
What's wrong with this response? I'm just wondering in case I need to sell something with my lack of posts.  ------------- 1992 Nautique Excel |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 11:31pm
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my question would have been why didn't he go for the 1442...that's what I have on my PAN and I love it ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-18-2014 at 11:52pm
| Bigger boat needs less prop, 422 for a proboss SN. That's a steal for a 422, can't believe you waffled for a second... I almost bought it and I already have one. |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 12:10am
I was pretty set on getting it as I thought it was a great deal. I was already talking to the seller through PN before realizing he was a member here. I still wanted to run it by you guys here on the forum. More so to look at the condition of it in the pics prior to pulling the trigger. No waffling at all, just doing additional research and getting opinions. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 8:14am
Bet you a cold one you'll like it better than OJ and it'll put a  on your face!
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Posted By: a0128
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 4:36pm
Thanks for the welcome. The 79 Nautique was a great boat; fast and nimble. Loved it for what it was. The Pro Air is certainly more roomy, smoother and a great beginner to intermediate wakeboard boat. I don't ski any more but have pulled a few skier types and all have liked the wake (ballast tanks empty of course). Once the ballast tanks are filled (we also use a couple of fat sacs) the wake is perfect for my kids and their friends. JPass will have the prop on Thursday so he should be back on the water this weekend. 
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Posted By: AAM196
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 4:44pm
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JP, Did you get the 422 on? I run one on my 99 and like it! I'm sure it will do fine on your nwz but interested to hear what you think. |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 5:04pm
| It will ride like a new boat with the new prop! Since you are lapping the prop and really doing things properly, it may be a good time to check the alignment on the shaft, packing, and cutlass bearing. |
Posted By: Toertel
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 5:30pm
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Mark, I guess that means that despite the message from 8/12 via PN I will not get the prop? JP no hard feelings from my end re you! Enjoy the new ride! But if I come down to FL, I'll ask for a pull ------------- 1994 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 5:43pm
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FWIW, a friend of mine had a prop repaired by a guy named Skip down in Fl. He did a great job, cost was very reasonable, and fast turnaround. He sells some props on Ski-it-again website. He has incredible knowledge about props and SN, and I think he has some used stuff. He has a new 422 listed for $380. In case anyone is interested. I have no affiliation with Skip, only got his name from a good friend that was very satisfied with his work. |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 6:05pm
| $386 from delta w/free shipping |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 7:51pm
Definitely a good idea. I'll need to brush up on how to check the alignment as I've never done it in the year and a half we've owned the boat. I think I have the prop lapping down-pat. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 7:52pm
Thank you sir. Looking forward to getting it installed and on the water to try it out. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 7:56pm
No problem with the pull. I'm pretty sure there will be another 422 on here shortly. I got a PM from a member stating he would be listing some used props (a 422 was one of them) for sale soon. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: *mtrbtr*
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 8:57pm
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I have dealt with Skip from FL too. Traded him a 654 for an 1868. Good guy. Said he worked for Nautique in the past too. ------------- 2006 SV 211 (sold) went to the dark side 97 Sport Nautique (sold) 89 PS 190 (sold) 05 Four Winns H180 (sold) 89 Four Winns 180 Freedom (sold) 75 MFG (sold) |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 10:47pm
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Seb, if another one comes up I'll hold off, if you want it go for it. I'll keep my eyes open as well, would like to find one to try before the season is over. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Toertel
Date Posted: August-19-2014 at 11:54pm
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63 skier, don't worry and got for one. Thanks thou! Mine is fine and that way I got something to do as a winter thing ------------- 1994 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: August-20-2014 at 12:46am
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I've got the same situation, mine is fine as well! I'm happy with my 1442, but the part of me that likes to keep trying stuff makes me want to try the 422, think I might like the lower rpm at ski speeds. I bet a few come up for sale with fall coming. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: August-22-2014 at 9:28pm
Ready for a test run. Thanks again Mark.  ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |