05 - 2006 Wont Start
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Printed Date: May-19-2024 at 2:18pm
Topic: 05 - 2006 Wont Start
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Subject: 05 - 2006 Wont Start
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 7:21pm
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So my 206 will not start. Tried the tether switch but no luck. I am thinking there is an issue with the fuel pump as when the start code is entered the fuel charge is not smooth and sounds like a faint "clicking". Thoughts? ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 7:42pm
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If everything was perfect earlier and you think it's the tether..... your throttle was bumped out of neutral... ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 8:03pm
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Just have been bit by this before....always easy to check the tether.. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 8:09pm
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Air206 wrote:Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 10:49pm
| So it cranks but does not fire and start? Or doesn't even crank over? |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 11:32pm
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Seems the other posts lean toward throttle position. Neutral safety switch? Not up on new boat technology but in both of mine if I get no action I just rattle the throttle a bit to get true neutral and then they fire right up. ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 11:34pm
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This is a long long shot, but I remember there was some discussion on here about the fuel water separator filter. It seems like it has to been changed periodically or it will not let the engine start. Being that the boat is kind of new to you, it may just be time to change it out. Hopefully, it is just in gear. It is hard to have the entire fleet running at once. 
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 11:53pm
Between my fuel issues and Greg's trouble,luckily for you Don that we didn't unload these problems on to you  would not want unload my troubles to a friend------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: The Godfather
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 10:24am
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Check battery and throttle position ------------- Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen.... |
Posted By: The Godfather
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 10:25am
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Does the horn work on the keypad ------------- Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen.... |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 12:57pm
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Have you checked the cap, in 500hrs I have been thru 3. When cycling the ignition on are both fuel pumps running? When my fuel pump crapped out symptoms were the same, the remote one mounted to the starboard side of the block (low pressure iirc} was the culprit. There is also a relay which could be the issue. Zach helped my diagnose and change mine out, give him a call. |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 6:02pm
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Battery / throttle position / horn on keypad all checked out (new battery btw). Tried to grab a video of the symptoms - battery about dead on IPad so a quick link http://http://youtu.be/VNAHxbjsuFI" rel="nofollow - 206 wont start ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 6:34pm
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Did you say whether or not you heard the fuel pumps engage if you turn it on but don't crank it? Cause it sounds like its cranking but not getting fuel. I know you've fought the FCC tube and fuel pump fight before, but it sounds like its not getting any fuel. The clicking is weird, could that be the low pressure pump trying to pull fuel and failing? ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 6:43pm
Greg, When your battery gets charged, see if you can fix your link.  It won't work for me. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 6:48pm
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Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 7:06pm
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Do not hear the fuel pump after entering the start code and pushing the start button. Typically you would enter the code, press the start button once, here the the pump "charge" the system, the system alarm/alert horn and the hit start again and away you would go. Kind of frustrating..... ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 7:52pm
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we may have a winner. Of course, remember who the diagnosis is coming from. Is it turning on when you crank it? ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 7:52pm
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Greg that weird clinking clunking noise that you hear after you stop cranking ????? Does not sound like a relay but it may be the fuel pump. Find the low pressure pump that quinner mentioned and see if it is the source of that noise. Put a hand on it and see if it is vibrating while making that noise. It could also be the high pressure pump in the FCC but my dollar is on the LP pump. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 9:10pm
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Greg, do yourself a favor and get a test light. Test the pump wiring while someone else runs the normal ignition processes. If you get power there try to start it. When it doesn't restart remove your FCC canister and see how much fuel is in there. If it's full that isn't your issue. Bear in mind that full in the FCC canister is probably about half given the volume that the pump and fuel filter take up inside. If you have no power to the pumps start looking into the relays under the rectangular cover at the rear of the engine. quick and easily you could give it a snort of starting fluid and crank it and see if it fires. If it doesn't fire than there is an ignition issue or a sensor of sorts causing the ECM to shut the ignition off. ------------- |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 9:14pm
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This won't help at all, but I like your old school Wake Tech board there. I got one of those too. :) ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 9:16pm
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The weird clicking must be the Perfect Pass servo eh? ------------- |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 10:16pm
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Have the test light in the tool bag. Odd that today it went with the first try in the driveway then when backed into the water same freaking symptoms....floated boat off trailer to a "level position" and it cranked up after a couple of tries. Came back to the ramp after pulling Luke for +/- 45 minutes shut it off when loaded on trailer and tried to start and same $h#t.....boat is now back in the garage with 2 days of rain in the forcast. Granted it should make no difference if the boat is level or not but could this be an indicator of poor / limited fuel delivery to the FCC? Need to get this figured out before NYD as this is the boom tow boat for the tourney. Zach if you don't mind can you send me your cell just in case? ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 12:38am
Gary, This is why I was offering to keep this one ( Greg's 206) running while he was working on that 70 Mustang. I was going to keep your Mustang limbered up while you were figuring out that Vee Drive and restoring that Shamrock. Call me a giver !!!!!!!!  After last summer I am basically a Holley expert. I now know just to go buy a new one and forget about the rebuild. Donald |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 12:43am
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Donald Please take note I have not brought up your fuel / carburation issues....I can sY that the mustang will go through fuel darn near as fast as you could pour it in. Think it may be on par with Tim's BFN ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 1:14am
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Zach is giving you gold - but if we are taking bets the low pressure fuel pump is the usual culprit. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 10:37am
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Greg, check your PM for my cell. I am not "working" this week but if you end up needing something expedited just call me (I will probably be at the shop Monday shooting my 351 in the paint booth). Maybe it just needs some holiday booze to make it come back to life haha. ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 11:06am
| Greg, sounds just like when my LPP went bad, sometimes it would start, others nothing. |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 11:26am
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Thanks CQ What were you referring to as the "cap" in your earlier post? Any pointers for pulling the pump if that proves to be the culprit? I am guessing pulling the FCC remains a big PIA much like it was on the GT40. If the low pressure pump is what feeds the system for starting, I would most likely call this the culprit as well as once the baot is started there are no performance issues. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 2:31pm
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Dist Cap was "cap" reference. The FCC on the newer version is much easier to service then on the GT40. Low pressure feeds the FCC while the high pressure (inside the FCC) pushes to the injectors. The low pressure was pretty easy to change although Zach did most of the work, lol, couple fuel lines, electrical connector and 3 bolts IIRC. If you open the FCC change your filter if it is more then a couple seasons old. Thought I read somewhere the HPP is not marine specific and can be had for around $50, oem will be north of a hundo. Your local CC dealer or any PCM dealer "should" stock that pump if you are in a hurry like I was. |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 3:15pm
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Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 3:33pm
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CQ You are a lucky fella - Zach fits in the space behind driver seat and between engine and side of boat much better than me What was the thought behind replacing the distributor cap? ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 9:15pm
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Hey now Joe did most of the swap CQ. Greg, the dizzy caps on the 5.7s are notorious for big time corrosion. Both in automotive and marine world. They work perfectly one day then nothing the next. Easy to take a look see or just pull the coil wire and see if spark jumps from the cap to the wire. ------------- |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: December-28-2014 at 10:37pm
Reason # 101......... I LOVE my 6 Liter!  ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 12:01am
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Shouldn't we all be so lucky Steve! ------------- |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 12:29am
Ha! Lucky nothin! I PAID for that engine............ Just not paying much now.....  ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 12:30am
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Hope you are feeding the beast some of this discount fuel that is available right now ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 12:44am
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Greg: Saw your Mustang Run Vid.... we both are enjoying cheap gas! Whoo Hoo! ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 9:58am
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So I'm painting the 351 today. I pulled a plug to crank it to TDC Compression #1 before I pulled the dizzy. The plugs have in the neighborhood of 7-800 hours on them and look new still. I am having a hard time telling myself I need to change them just because I am shooting paint on them. I think I will tape them off :P Speaking of engines that never need servicing ------------- |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 10:45am
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I tend to put off changing plugs that look good. Unless the porcelain breaks, they don't fail all of a sudden anyway, so change them next year. Or the year after. Or ..... ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 10:46am
Yes Zach it was better then a Nascar pit stop, you, Joe, Paul, Lewy + Timmy, Chris Adam and a few others wandering around, thanks to all! Greg, like Zach said, caps are a known issue, has put me in the no start zone before also, good thing is the Automotive and Marine version are no different so that can be had at Napa. just saw under $2 gas for the first time here this weekend, too bad my lake is ice and boats are all in hibernation. |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 12:00pm
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hey now, don't blame me, all I did was watch, I don't turn wrenches on my own boat, I can't afford to pay Zach to fix yours if I break it! ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 10:24pm
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Spoke with Zach - new pump on the way. UPS willing this time tomorrow I will be cursing those darn three bolts and waiting for first light on Wednesday to hit the water for the water test. Perhaps the Mustang will become the 206 tow boat..... ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-31-2014 at 4:13pm
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New pump installed, worked great in driveway (flat ground) then no go on the ramp (on an angle) - boat off the trailer and floating all is good. Cycled several times this morning and all seems fine now. Will be launching again leter and will try on the angle again and see what happens. Zach Thanks for the quick ship. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: December-31-2014 at 4:43pm
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If you hadn't cycled the pump enough to fully fill the FCC then it could very well have lead to the on the ramp difficulty. If it happens again I would consider selling it to Donald. (Or changing the lpp relay) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-31-2014 at 6:16pm
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Just back out without issue this time. Will see what happens tomorrow at the tournament as this is the boom division tow boat Thanks to all for suggestions / advice ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-31-2014 at 7:37pm
I personally would not want to burden Don with troubles,might even have trouble sleeping at night ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: December-31-2014 at 8:13pm
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Good deal! ------------- |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: January-01-2015 at 1:44am
Joe, thanks for looking out for me.  However, since the boat is not 100% the sell will require a huge discount in price. Then I will bring it to White Lake 2015 and beg, once again for the second year in a row, for a team of people to help me fix it. I should be running 100% my mid summer. I love it when a plan comes together. 
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Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: January-01-2015 at 1:53am
Gary, Wrenching on a FIRE SELL 206 will keep me awake a night with excitement. Greg has a half ( Split) paddle. I have a complete paddle. Heck, my family will be so happy to have it, we will just paddle around Lake Norman with it not running. We are simple people. Happy New Year, Donald |