Right Starter battery for a GT40
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Topic: Right Starter battery for a GT40
Posted By: rrichr
Subject: Right Starter battery for a GT40
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 12:34pm
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I bought a 2001'SN and it came with 2 brand new deep cycle batteries so I need to at least replace one for a starter battery. Been looking around the forum for recommendations including the FAQ to no avail. The battery in the battery whole built in the floor is too tall to put the lid on. Is a group 24 the right size? concerned that it might not be enough for a 5.8 HO. Then what brands are recommended. Does not have to be the most expensive un less the most expensive is really worth it. I don't really listen to much music w/o the engine running and I only have a head unit (no amps). |
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Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 12:51pm
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The group is the physical dimensions. I think group 65 is what you need to fit in the battery box, and a lot here use the Wal-mart Everstarts and have good luck. ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 12:51pm
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You need a group 65 starting battery if you want the lid to close. ------------- |
Posted By: rrichr
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 12:54pm
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Thanks, I think the one you are talking about at Walmart is $61 dollars... thanks |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 1:00pm
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Just get the biggest CCA you can. It isn't 100% necessary to go that high but I believe it does make them last a bit longer if they are operating at less than their recommended work load etc. Guess it isn't as important here as you will probably be running stereo stuff off the deep cycle. ------------- |
Posted By: rrichr
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 1:02pm
I may take the 2nd battery out becuase of the extra weight. I don't like nose diving 
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Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 1:12pm
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If it doesn't have some crazy sound system it's really useless to have 2 batteries let alone a deep cycle. I have a 1000 CA group 65 and a 400W amp. I can run that set up for as long as I want as long as I fire it up once an hour and let it run for 5-10 minutes. ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 1:34pm
I disagree. I went this route twice and both didn't last one season. I found out that to get the max CCA, internal support is sacrificed. Without the support, the battery can't stand up to the pounding our boats give them. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
phatsat67 wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 1:35pm
Did the PO install them? Was it a "marina"!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 1:42pm
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Pete, dad had a Deka new and I adopted it when he bought a new battery for his rig. Same CA as my current battery and we collectively got around 8 years out of it not charging in the winters. My next one was oreilly auto parts branded and with no winter charging it's still going strong in the 86 at about 3-4 years now. My current battery is our supplier who also manufactures Deka. I have high hopes for it as well. Maybe you just drive em to hard Pete  Optima are nowhere near worth the money. Most we see in here are bad and need replaced and we have the proper charger to recharge deeply discharged AGM batteries. ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 2:17pm
You didn't mention the CCA! My two failures were Exide 1000 CCA's. I actually called Exide after number 2 and that's when I found out the internal support is sacrificed. The engineer told me that's how the high CCA's are done in all brands. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 2:39pm
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Exide batteries are JUNNNNNNNKKK Pete. The manufacture the batteries for Rural King and Big R. I bought one in a pinch up at the lake one summer and had to consecutively replace it each spring for 3 years in a row. 4th year I lost the receipt and said F it and bought the O'reilly one. ------------- |
Posted By: rrichr
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 3:36pm
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8122, The PO put the deep cycles in... So you are saying not to go with the 1000 CCA's becuase of short life span becuase of design? OK |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 3:41pm
Zach, Don't worry, I haven't owned one in many years. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 4:14pm
I gotta disagree with you on this one Zach. I bought an optima for my boat before I left WI. In fact the sticker on it says Feb. '01. Ran it for ten years and replaced it because I thought it was the cause of low voltage messing up my starter. It was ten years old after all. So I got another Optima. Didn't fix my starter issue but then neither did a rebuild. A new starter fixed that issue. I bought the new Optima online and didn't have a core charge so the old one just sat on the garage floor for two years (on a rubber mat). I never touched it other than to move it out of my way when I cleaned the garage. Then my truck battery went out so I grabbed the old Optima just for the hell of it and used it to jump start my truck much to my surprise. So I decided I might as well use it. It was way smaller than the OEM truck battery so I had to get my dremel and enlarge the terminal holes on the battery hold down cover so it would fit and it's been in there for a little over a year now working perfectly. It's now 14 years old. I'll never hesitate to spend the money for an Optima again. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 4:27pm
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For what it is worth, my GT40 is powered by a Duralast 41-DL, it came with the boat, it is only 650 CA. Now this will be the kiss of death, but it is going on 10 years, I also do not charge it during the winter. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 4:31pm
Eddie, Don't tell me you believe batteries still need to be stored on something to insulate them!!  There was a time way back when the cases were basically coal tar and the scenario had merit. The case would absorb water moisture and then depending on the floor moisture would create a path to ground so the battery would discharge. That's not the case anymore due to the plastic cases.------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: rrichr
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 4:49pm
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I guess I still believed in the proverbial "Santa Clause" as well.. Thanks |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:03pm
Nice Eddie. I know people don't properly care for things very often and an AGM requires a little more attention keeping it at a full or near to full charge. We just see them bad a lot coming through here. Quality might have also been better 14 years ago before the brand was very popular and production costs and margins came into play. Heck, I was only 13 years old when you bought that battery!! haha. I just think if I can get 6-10 years out of a standard battery without special treatment then why would I throw down an extra 100-120 bucks for a battery that will probably last the same amount of time. It would eventually iron out of the optima lasted 5 more years but how much longer would that take in the scheme of things. Steve you just got the kiss of death! ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:07pm
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Unless you get an insane deal on the optima and the standard battery lasts 10 years the optima would have to last 20 years to make financial sense. Although I get a pretty big charge out of seeing how long of a service life I can get out of things. ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:10pm
Steve, You aren't doing anything wrong not charging it in the winter. I have NEVER charged any of mine plus, they all stay in the boats all winter without any issues. My X battery has to be at least 12 years old. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:15pm
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Same with me Pete, well except this winter. I did put mine on the tractor trickle charger for a few hours when I took the boat apart since it was right beside it. I guess I drive the boat often and hard enough it goes to bed in the winter with a nice full charge. Disconnect the terminals obviously but never take it out. ------------- |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:15pm
Naw Pete, I have a rubber mat laid out the width of my garage in front of the work bench so the concrete isn't so hard on these old knees. The battery just kept it from moving around. Now I have to keep a couple old warped rotors on it for the same purpose. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:27pm
I too feel when driven, they will have a full charge. This last New Years up north, I did go down to the boat house and pulled the battery out of the X. It hasn't been in the water nor on a charger for over 2 years so I was concerned about a self discharge taking the level down to the point where it would freeze and break. I sure would not want acid in the bottom of a wood boat. Anyway, pulled the battery, hooked up the charger, it went up to 8 amps and then immediately down to about 2 amps. No self discharge with this 13 year old battery! I wish I could remember the brand! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:40pm
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My Air Nautique had a Optima red top in it when I bought it. It's been a great battery. But mine is an older one, before they got bought out by Johnson Controls and the quality dropped. I will go back with a AGM, I don't want water bouncing around where the battery is located, at the front of the bow. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:47pm
You know, it's funny- my dad was in my garage a few weeks ago and saw my boat batteries sitting on the floor directly. He very confidently said "you know, you have to get those batteries onto some wood blocks or they will discharge". Even though I knew he was totally wrong about this, I did it anyway so that the next time he came into the garage he would see them up on the blocks. Sometimes you just have to show pops you're still listening! I didn't have the heart to tell him the advice was outdated. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:47pm
I suppose I should just go buy a new one right now, huh? ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:51pm
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Joel, I keep my mine on wood work benches haha. Steve, better get on it and get it done!! I have seen my fair share of junk batteries with our family car dealership back home. 9 times out of ten if it was a dead car it was either a duralast or a reconditioned battery. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:56pm
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The day I drained 8+ quarts of oil out of my friends 351 PCM I noticed he had his battery in the house on a wood block, on newspaper, on carpet... ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 7:03pm
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Hahahhaha. He just wanted to make it well lubricated!!! Back when we pulled my 73 911 out of its storage we drained about 22 quarts out of it. The thing was a dry sump and has a capacity of 11 quarts. No wonder they could never get it to stop blowing oil smoke out of the tailpipe  ------------- |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 7:59pm
You have my attention. More on this? ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 11:55pm
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I tried the 1000 amp battery also and had very poor service. I also talked with the battery rep and got the same story. The really big batteries don't have room for proper support inside and in rough water the plates can touch each other causing failure. They don't do well in the pounding. I now run a 700 amp now with no issues. I don't have a high watt stereo either so I don't have the big need. I do disconnect the battery every winter when I store the boat. A perfect boat set up would be two 600 amp batteries and have them on an isolator so you could switch from one to the other and always have a full back up. I have had kids go down to the boat on weekend camping trips and relax in the boat, then leave the stereo running over night when they leave. It is a bummer to have a dead battery on a boat. Now with Cel phones and Ipads everywhere it seems people are always looking for a place to charge these and boats are available on camp trips. We are miles from the launch so cars are not an option on our camp/ski trips. I have added a 800W beach battery to our equipment list now to avoid the boat being used, it has multiple usb plug ins for charging the toys and doubles to run the blender for drinks. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 12:47am
Zach I have a Motorcraft from Dads Lincoln now in its 15th year,it's not in anything important but I want to see how long it keeps going. The Duralast that was in the 95 didn't even make it 6 months,I think it was dated '12. I'm running Optimas in both now since the GL problem and rather than buy 2 more batteries for the Shamrock I haul them back and forth ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 10:02am
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Good idea Gary, can't drive two at the same time haha. The truck battery is still going strong at 5 years. Hoping for 10 out of it.I have never really had a daily driver long enough to kill a battery. The 67 has had 2 batteries since I bought it in 02 one of which being in it before I purchased it. Walllll mart battery. It died over at the car show because the voltage regulator went out at the cruise night. Picked up a Car-quest job over there and it still cranks it right up every spring. Food for though, ever since I have been working at N3 I went with a company called world wide battery. They are manufactured by Johnson controls like everyone else in the world. in 2.5 years and probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 group 24 and 65 batteries (all 1000CA or greater) I have yet to warranty one single battery. These mostly all power stupid sound systems too. We do disconnect each boats batteries for winter lay up and give them a charge in the spring if the customer opts to have a summerization checklist completed. Before me we used to use a lot of interstate batteries. I've seen a decent amount of those come back under warranty or bad out of warranty. ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 3:20pm
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My experience with batteries has been hit or miss, had dual red top optima's in a suburban that lasted 8yrs, had a motorcraft in my pickup that lasted 13yrs. The 206 came with an interstate from the factory, junk after 3 seasons, replaced with a Blue top which lasted almost 5 seasons, couple seasons on a spare battery, bought a new blue top this spring and returned it this fall because it was giving me problems all year. I typically pull my battery in the offseason and charge periodically over the winter. My buddy who owns an auto repair shop says he replaces more young Everstart's then anything else. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 3:41pm
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They were buying something at work really cheap, Ameristar I think,went thru 2 in a week. My time lost,2 tows and the mechanics time. Our mechanic started getting Motorcraft's for everything,problems gone. Don't know if they are still good though,you know how all companies can squeeze a dime,what's good one day might not be the next. Just found out AcDelco came out with an economy oil filter the hard way,they have a suffix E in the part number. Stamped end plate ,plastic media retainer,I'm taking it back---- ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 6:30pm
Fram makes them and private labels the filter AC. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 6:36pm
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Go figure Pete,they really look cheap I'll have to look what the dealer has put on see if they are trying to raise the bottom line ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: rrichr
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 1:43pm
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So I go to Walmart and the only Group 65 batteries they carry are automotive and all marine batteries are group 24, 27 up to 31 before they do into 4 and 8D's. The lady asked me if I matched it to the correct battery for my vehicle and instead of me just saying yes I had to clarify to her that it was actually for a boat. She told me that Walmart's policy is if you use the battery other than it was intended there is no warranty and I would receive no warranty becuase I said it was for a boat. I told her that it is in fact the required battery for this particular boat but she told me becuase it was a boat and they sold marine batteries it would not receive a warranty. Now I am not saying I did this but one could go to another Walmart in this scenario and say that you have a 2013 Ford Explorer and it matches to a group 65 battery... |
Posted By: OldSchoolBlue84
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 1:47pm
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Go back another day and pick up the group 65 automotive battery and check out. What they don't know won't hurt them ------------- Kostas http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6700&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1984 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 2:00pm
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The day I start taking battery advice from walmart employees is the day Pete starts buying all his auto parts from Autozone! I'd recommend taking the advice presented on this forum and trust that it might be slightly more reliable than your typical big box store clerk. |
Posted By: rrichr
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 2:04pm
| It was not advice, it was their policy and becuase they are a big box store their policy does not take into consideration this scenario. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 2:16pm
Absolutely!! You aren't reading the recommendations here and taking a Walmart employee's advice!!! Slightly more reliable??? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: rrichr
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 2:23pm
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By the way, the group 65 fit perfectly and the lid is closed. I did remove the second battery and the switch. Removed a net 100 pounds from the front of the boat and it looks cleaner and starts immediately with no clicking. Thanks everyone! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 3:31pm
Did the "associate" say anything about you needing a deep cycle or a starting battery? If you bought a marine deep cycle and used it for starting, I wonder if that would be against their policy? I wonder if the associate knew the difference?? BTW, Walmart doesn't warranty the battery, the manufacturer does. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 3:50pm
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I try to avoid walmart like the plague,but end up buying most of my oil there.The wife and I went there a number of years ago to reprint some pictures,one of them being a wedding picture from over 100+ years ago. Got into a big discussion about copyright laws and ended up walking out mad. Went to Walgreens,the clerk actually helped out. If I recall copyright laws at the time was lifetime +25 years. I can see they need enforce newer professional pictures but if your going to get on your high horse you better know what your talking about. In the end we went and bought our own photo printer so we don't have that trouble again. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: February-02-2015 at 10:08pm
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I've been reading the fine print in the USCG boatbuilders guide. This one caught my eye because a group 65 battery is much smaller than my battery box.  Spacers are recommended! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |