Wont Start
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Printed Date: November-16-2024 at 6:43pm
Topic: Wont Start
Posted By: brettmac
Subject: Wont Start
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 4:21am
| 88 Dominique wont start after layup. I have tried to start the boat, replaced the plugs, coil and battery. It tries to fire, but wont catch all 8 cylinders. Motor was fogged with marvel mystery oil. What am i missing? |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 7:23am
| Good supply of fuel? How does the gas smell? |
Posted By: brettmac
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 10:57am
| Gas is coming from a fresh gas can. Boat was laid up with a full tank of premium non ethenol with stabil. Seems like she's pushing ton of gas down the carb. Belching black smoke and it looks like mystery oil can be seen in gas going down carb. She wants to start, but wont catch on all cylinders. Have cranked down the new battery twice without a start up. Just a lot of popping and farting. Getting discouraged. Help and thanks to all of you. Brett |
Posted By: brettmac
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 11:00am
| Did i use to much marvel mystery oil to fog motor and now it is inhibiting starting? |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 11:04am
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Unlikely unless its really full of junk, you might simply be flooding - try to hold the throttle all the way open and crank it over, don't pump the gas just hold it open and be ready to pull back on the throttle if it catches. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 11:05am
Plugs may be coated in oil, the first start after sitting and fogging can certainly be labored. So you're pulling fresh gas from a remote can rather than relying on what's been sitting in the tank? Mine still won't start after layup on 6 month old gas, stabilized or not (no e-free here though). I'd give it the sniff test in any case- and give it a shot of fresh down the carb throat just to be sure. |
brettmac wrote:Posted By: brettmac
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 11:20am
| Have tried all of that. Changed the plugs, fresh shot down throat, holding wide open, at idle etc. Nothing seems to make a difference. |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 11:41am
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Fuel fouled plugs? Are the plugs wet when you check them? If fuel down the carb won't get her to fire, maybe confirm that you have spark at all 8 plugs?? ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 11:42am
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That's a good point. I was also going to also mention, double check that you didn't accidentally jumble up the plug wire order, when you were replacing the plugs etc. |
Posted By: oldcuda
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 12:04pm
| Pull dist cap and check for cracks or moisture sometime condensation gets inside during storage. |
Posted By: brettmac
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 12:21pm
| Plugs are wet when pulled. Haven't confirmed all 8 are getting spark. Good idea. Have only looked at one on each side for spark. Pulled cap and everything seems in order. Is it time to replace cap, rotor and plug wires. Hate to keep throwing money at this without any guarantee that they are the issue, but again am getting frustrated. I have owned boat for three years and plug wires look good. But they are the ones she came with. IDK what else to try. Thanks again to all. Keep the ideas coming. Regards Brett |
Posted By: sberard5
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 1:44pm
| Sounds like some sort of ignition issue to me as well. Same exact symptoms as when firing order is out of sequence. Double check your firing order and pick up a cheap inline spark tester (5-10 bucks) that you can try on each individual cylinder. That way you can see if and when it's firing. Also, if you're replacing things, points and condenser doesn't hurt. I believe the point gap is .018". You'll get it going with the help of CCFan network, they've come through to help keep my 76 Ski Nautique going. Good luck |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 2:00pm
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plug wires are probably not the cause, don't go messing with them right now. verify your firing order first. new plugs are gapped to .035" ? |
Posted By: brettmac
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 8:03pm
| Ok team CCF, i verified the firing order and brought home a spark plug tester. All 8 cylinders are getting spark. Damn thing nearly started during plug test. It didn't however. And yes Hollywood the gaps are good. How bright are those tester lights supposed to be? It seemed it was brighter on some of the cylinders than others. Brett |
Posted By: Duane in Indy
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 8:28pm
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It was running when you parked it. That says the firing order and timing is OK. Unless you messed with that part. Throw in some new plugs or rinse those off with brake clean. I prefer new cause it would not hurt to have new at start of season. Hold choke open and hold throttle open also. Use a hot battery and crank it over. If it does not go in 10 seconds or so THEN give her a few good squirts of gas. You sound like you have a combo of fouled plugs from the oil and old gas and also maybe a weak battery. Also always good idea to keep the fire extinguisher and or a blanket handy when doing all this. It ran before and it will run again. Good Luck, Duane  Keep the Starting Fluid at home!!!! ------------- Keep it as original as YOU want it 1978 Mustang (modified) |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 10:34pm
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Check ballast resistor. It is bypassed during cranking, which would give you some limited fire. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 11:06pm
Assuming this is a PCM engine he has, the ballast resistor is not bypassed during cranking. PCM never did it this way Others like Indmar for example did. If you look at a wiring diagram for a PCM engine, you won't find it. Some people have done it on their own, thinking it makes for better starts. KenO |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-08-2016 at 11:54pm
| Yeah- what KenO said. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-09-2016 at 12:12pm
Just to recap
Fresh plugs, fresh gas, weak spark. Time for a distributor tune up. |
Posted By: brettmac
Date Posted: June-09-2016 at 6:44pm
| That's what I was thinking Hollywood. Thanks to all who chimed in. You guys and gals rock. i will post update after cap and rotor replacement. Brett |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-09-2016 at 7:50pm
I really don't see anywhere where you mention what's under the distributor cap. Does it have points or is it an electronic conversion? It seems like you want to change the cap and rotor but make no mention of anything else under there other than "everything seems in order" which isn't very descriptive. You don't exactly tell what the cap and rotor look like either. Maybe Pete will come and tell you he gets 35 years out of a set of points or maybe it's 50 but it's with some attention being paid to their condition. Don't listen, get a new set if you're getting a new cap and rotor I bet Hollywood's tuneup would/ should include points if that's what is hiding under. there and then you might as well do the condenser too while you're at it. Could be a weak spark you're getting from some points that need attention You also mention that you verified the firing order, but haven't said what it is and hopefully the plug wires are going in the right direction around the distributor cap too. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-09-2016 at 8:56pm
Ken, I'm glad you brought this up. Yes, I too see no mention of what's in the distributor. If points, what is their condition? Have they been filed to clean them up? A surface corrosion is common after a layup. Ken, Yes, I do get fantastic life out of a set of points but not the 50 years you mention!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: brettmac
Date Posted: June-11-2016 at 7:37am
| Replaced points, cond, cap & rotor, plugs and coil. Started once for a second and buddy inadvertently shut it down. Wouldn't start up again. What am i missing? Brett |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-11-2016 at 8:22am
What makes you say "Seems like she's pushing ton of gas down the carb." ? After you try to start it, is there gas dumping down either the primary or secondary bores of the carburetor |