Starter out?
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Printed Date: November-16-2024 at 6:29pm
Topic: Starter out?
Posted By: TommySki
Subject: Starter out?
Date Posted: June-16-2016 at 5:55pm
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I have a 1992 Sport Model: PLD-PR-R12PT Serial: 330303 End of last year I noticed that occasionally the starter wouldn't engage when I turned the key, maybe one out of 5 times. Didn't really think much of it. This year I am just getting to putting the boat in the water and of course now it doesn't engage at all. I suspect its the starter, the black relay on the back of the motor clicks and there is power to the starter itself and the battery is fresh and fully charged. A call to the local dealer told me they also suspected it was the starter. Any other ideas? Thanks for any and all suggestions/help/insults/etc. Tom ------------- '93 Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-16-2016 at 6:36pm
| Instead of suspecting get out the VOM and check for 12V getting to the starter on key turn. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-16-2016 at 7:11pm
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Tom, The local dealer would love to sell you a starter!! $$$$$. Diagnosis over the phone?? BS!!!!As mentioned, get the VOM out and find out what's going on. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: June-16-2016 at 8:06pm
| there is always 12v at the starter large wire/ terminal when the battery is hooked up, Hollywood is referring to the small wire on the starter solenoid, which only gets power when the key is in the on position. |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-16-2016 at 8:28pm
Depends on the style of starter he has whether there is always 12v there. You're referring to the newer style which he may or may not have. I figure Hollywood is referring to the older style |
Dreaming wrote:Posted By: TommySki
Date Posted: June-16-2016 at 8:43pm
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Thanks all for the suggestions. I'll have to run get a volt meter. Mine's not at the lake. I know there is power to the starter, not sure if its a full 12 or not. I'll do some more digging and see what I can find. ------------- '93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-16-2016 at 8:53pm
| How about a picture of the starter and the solenoid/relay on the back of the engine ? |
Posted By: TommySki
Date Posted: June-17-2016 at 2:21pm
Here are pics of the relay and starter. I'll have my volt meter at the lake later today to run some diagnostics.  ------------- '93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-17-2016 at 2:46pm
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That's the new style like Dreaming was describing. Should have 12v all the time at the big lug on the starter (sounds like you do. Then you have the solenoid on the engine and the other solenoid right on top of the starter. When the key is turned to START you should then have 12 v supplied from the engine mounted solenoid to the starter mounted solenoid thru the black/white (or whatever color it is) wire in your second picture. If you get 12v there and it doesn't run it's either the starter or the solenoid mounted to it. If you don't get 12v there with the key in START. then go back to the solenoid on the engine as the likely problem. Hope this is understandable |
Posted By: TommySki
Date Posted: June-17-2016 at 3:18pm
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Makes perfect sense. I'll test it later today. Is the engine mounted solenoid/relay interchangeable (ie something I could pickup at the local auto parts store) or does it have to be one for this specific engine? Thanks, Tom ------------- '93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-17-2016 at 8:50pm
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You'll get varied opinions on the automotive ones from people, but it will work 84 F-250 with a 351 W should get you the same style solenoid Can't go wrong with a marine one though. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-17-2016 at 10:45pm
| How do the battery cables look? Any corrosion or looseness at the terminals? I'd be cleaning my connections and verifying they're tight before doing anything. |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: June-17-2016 at 11:06pm
This could be a Pete quote.......
------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: TommySki
Date Posted: June-18-2016 at 2:15am
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OK, Volt meter testing confirms that its the starting relay and here is why I believe that. Very little to no corrosion anywhere on any connections. 1) There is constant 12V to the starter. 2) Never power to the starter solenoid lead when the starter does not engage. 3) Starter ALWAYS engages when I use my handy screw driver to direct jump the leads on the solenoid itself. With this information I used the recommendation provided by KENO to purchase an 84 351W from the local auto parts dealer for $20. This looks identical to mine on the boat, even the mounting bracket is the same. I will install this one in the morning and assume that this will fix my problem. If this unit does work is there a need to purchase a marine grade one or are these really the same? Thanks for all the help!! ------------- '93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-18-2016 at 9:29am
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The short answer would be that the marine solenoid and the auto solenoid may both be sealed and equally corrosion and explosion proof but............the marine one has been tested and certified. They could be exactly the same except for the certification, then again they could be made with different metals etc. Some older auto ones had a vent hole that you don't want on the marine version. Like I said in a previous post you'll get different opinions but with the marine one you know what you are getting. |
Posted By: TommySki
Date Posted: June-18-2016 at 4:36pm
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Good new is that fixed it, starts every time. Bad news is after about an hour on the water its now not idling well at all. Runs fine at higher RPM and under load but is very rough at idle and up to about 2000 RPMs. Seems to be fuel or possibly carburetor related. Seems unlikely to me that the carb would all of a sudden get out of adjustment. Although I've never looked I assume there is a water separator, that will be my first check. Second is that I put some questionable gas in from the shed that sat over the winter, perhaps some bad gas? Is there a way to drain the gas tank without siphoning it all back out? Many thanks. ------------- '93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: June-18-2016 at 5:45pm
| Run a bottle of Seafoam through iT. Then replace fuel with non ethanol, see what happens. |
Posted By: TommySki
Date Posted: June-18-2016 at 10:25pm
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Good news all around. I took the boat out and ran it for about 10 minutes and the issue cleared itself up. I suspect I had some debris clogging a carb jet. Ran it for a couple of hours with no issues and even got a pass in for myself. All I want for fathers day is a pass in the morning and one to finish the day, life is good. Thanks all for your help. ------------- '93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-18-2016 at 11:24pm
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Tommy, Tommy, Tommy There's something you need to know about old gas. You NEVER put it into your boat, You take it out of the boat and get rid of it in some sly and devious manner.  There 's a thread on here somewhere about what people do to get rid of it. Myself I pour it into the neighbor kids old jeep when he ain't around, Only problem is if it runs like crap he comes to me to help him fix it but that's OK cause the boat runs good and his carburetor is really simple. That thing has run on some really really bad gas. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-18-2016 at 11:29pm
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Regarding old gas as well as used paint thinners, I put them in my oil drain pan and burn them off. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |