Not starting-redux
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Printed Date: October-06-2024 at 10:16pm
Topic: Not starting-redux
Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Subject: Not starting-redux
Date Posted: July-09-2017 at 12:23pm
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Hey all, I'm a frequent lurker and haven't had much cause to post, but now I have something way over my head. I have a 2000 Air Nautique with a brand new battery. The other day I went to fire it up and I get one click, then the power shuts off completly. Have to re-enter my code on the keypad and try again with no luck. I seem to have power to the solenoid atop the starter, but after that I'm lost where to go next. Electrical systems are like spanish to me. I understand a little but not much. I've read a boatload of posts on this similar thing but couldn't track down the one that matches exactly. It seems it could be a variety of issues, any thoughts on where to go from here? ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |
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Posted By: rebel skier
Date Posted: July-09-2017 at 12:34pm
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Start with your battery cables and connections. Hit them with a wire brush and reconnect. Then re-check. |
Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Date Posted: July-10-2017 at 12:24am
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OK, did that. Took my dremel tool to the connections at the battery and looked at the main ground to the engine block. All looks good, no corrosion. How do I check the main breaker box under the steering wheel? Any chance that is getting shorted out somehow? ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |
Posted By: fgroce
Date Posted: July-10-2017 at 8:43pm
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Do your gauges respond when you turn on the power? If not you need to find the 20 amp fuse that powers the dash. The fuse may be in the positive loom near the battery or ?. I heard they did a modification to move the fuse to a better spot but do not know where. I had to replace my fuse holder this year it was shot. Hope this helps. ------------- FGroce 88 Ski Nautique For 28 years Now 2002 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: July-10-2017 at 8:48pm
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I believe that mdvalent (mike) went through a keypad issue with his 2000 sport, and the solution was to buy a new key pad. I know your probably some troubleshooting distance from that happening, but you should probably keep it in mind, the keypads are not bulletproof, they do go bad. I was unable to find the thread, but suspect it was ~5 years or so ago |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: July-10-2017 at 9:16pm
| Here's that http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26345&PN=3&title=2000-sport-keypad-help" rel="nofollow - old thread |
Posted By: fgroce
Date Posted: July-10-2017 at 10:19pm
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I do hope it is not the key pad, Nautique parts was out of the key pad a couple weeks ago and did not have a date when they would be available. Hope they are in stock now. ------------- FGroce 88 Ski Nautique For 28 years Now 2002 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Date Posted: July-10-2017 at 11:27pm
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Thanks for the thoughts! I pulled the starter completely out and did a quick bench test on the driveway with my wife's car. Seems like it is ok, but going to run up and get it tested by the pros. I have some lights on my keypad, but am not sure how to go about testing it. I'll read that other post tonight and see if it makes sense. Sounds like skido might be the place for a replacement. ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 12:42am
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You stated you purchased a new battery. What type of battery did you buy? Was it a Starter Battery, Dual Purpose Battery or Deep Cycle Marine Battery. Starter Battery is the correct answer. Is your throttle in neutral? I giggle my throttle before I start my 2002. Is your emergency lanyard in its proper place? If not it will not allow you to start. If the keypad is bad, you can reprogram to take the combination out of the system. Some have reprogramed their pass key with just using the numbers on one side of the pad. I hope this helps, Donald ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens 2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 12:54am
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[QUOTE=gravyleg pirate] How do I check the main breaker box under the steering wheel? QUOTE] Under the helm, your breaker box has maybe twenty buttons that should be soft to the finger touch. Touch each one and if it is hard then it needs to be reset. You reset it by pushing them in. There also are breaker buttons on the back of the engine near the EMC box. Right above the transmission. Look for tripped breakers there too. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens 2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 4:35pm
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OK, I jiggled the throttle and it appears to be in neutral, the lanyard is attached and when I remove it the button drops quite a ways so it feels ok. All the breakers look and feel unpopped under the dash. I'll try reprogramming the keypad when I get home to see if that helps. I like the idea of using just one side. Right now I'm only using 2's and 3's. Thanks for all the replies, this is half the fun of boat ownership right? ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |
Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 4:36pm
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The battery was from our local battery shop and is a deep cycle. where would I find a starter battery? That type doesn't ring a bell to me. ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 4:57pm
The deep will work for now starting the engine but don't expect it to last long. They are made for long low amp loads like a trolling motor or accessories which is the exact opposite of cranking an engine. There's nothing "marine" needed for a starting battery. All that is needed is an automotive battery rated for starting. Evidently the guy at the battery shop needs his "bell rung"!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
gravyleg pirate wrote:Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 6:21pm
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Learn something new everyday! Had no idea about the battery and didn't realize there were so many threads on that very subject.... Just heard from the automotive electric shop that tested my starter and said it was nearly completely full of rust and it's too far gone to rebuild. So, is it better to get a new one from skidim, or NP? Or is an automotive starter ok here? I'm not sure if I have the GM or Ford engine. It's a 5.L PCM, 275hp ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 6:49pm
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I'd go with a Marine Starter from Skidim or Nautiqueparts. Should be easy to find since yours would take the same starter as an Excal, since it's small block Chevy based. There seems to be a few variations depending on top or bottom mount. I believe this is what you need, but you might want to confirm with a phone call before ordering: http://www.skidim.com/STARTER-GM-LH-305_350_454_60L-Top-Mount/productinfo/RA122009/" rel="nofollow - http://www.skidim.com/STARTER-GM-LH-305_350_454_60L-Top-Mount/productinfo/RA122009/ |
Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 7:02pm
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My starter is a bottom mount. Have to lie on my side with my arm under the block to about my shoulder to get that thing off! Thanks for all the info! There is an amazing amount of knowledge just floating around here! ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |
Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Date Posted: July-11-2017 at 11:44pm
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Update>>> The shop i took the starter to had a marine starter in stock for $100. Couldn't pass it up and has to be better than the old one full of rust. Installed it, checked all the connections and.... Nothing. I get a faint "beep" to the right from under my dash and that's it. Nav lights come on, blower works, but horn only clicks. Any thoughts on where to go from here? I was convinced the starter was shorting something out, but now I'm at more of a loss than before! ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-12-2017 at 12:11am
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Are you getting power the start relay (solenoid) I terminal and is it engaging? If so, check the voltage in from the battery and out to the starter. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: gravyleg pirate
Date Posted: July-17-2017 at 6:58pm
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Quick update, I started from the beginning and secured everything from the battery on back. Charged the battery overnight with a new charger just in case it wasn't fully up. Brand new starter installed after it failed the bench test miserably. took off both ground wires and scrubbed them for a better connection. something worked. don't know what but the whole thing fired up and ran like a champ for about twenty minutes on the lake. Then it died, with no restart whatsoever. Turns over really well but no catch at all. Had to be towed back. Will be starting a new thread to share the next big repair project! ------------- GLP "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane" 2000 Air Nautique 216 (for 19 years) 2005 Air Nautique SV211 (2 months and counting...) |