No Go
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Topic: No Go
Posted By: GregD
Subject: No Go
Date Posted: April-08-2020 at 10:52am
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Took my 1965 American Skier out for my first run. 1964 260 Interceptor engine and I believe it’s a Borg Warner Velvet tranny??? Was running great, on plane and moving along. All of a sudden, lost propulsion. Engine running fine. Boat wouldn’t go in reverse or forward. Shift cable is fine and moves the armature. Prop still on the shaft and looks to be keyed properly. Didn’t make any noise or anything. Luckily had paddles to make it back to ramp. Also asking on Facebook pages maybe some of same guys here too. Fluid seemed a little low, so added half a quart (now about 3/4” above full cold and sitting). Going to try it out again today at the ramp. Any ideas form any guys here on why it would be going sting and just give up like that with no indications anything was going wrong? Is there a shear pin somewhere? Thanks! ------------- 1965 American Skier |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-08-2020 at 11:39am
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Greg, Did the engine rev up when the problem started? A half quart of trans fluid is a lot so, it sounds like that's possibly the problem. Any signs of where all the fluid went? Was the trans cooler drained for winter layup? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-08-2020 at 8:32pm
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If you added fluid and it was still "No Go" (FB info)and you're thinking it might be the pump or the pressure control valve, it's pretty easy to check the pressure while the transmission is installed in the boat with a gauge and a few fittings fittings. The control valve can be removed/inspected/replaced with the transmission installed in the boat if that's suspected to be the issue. There's a spring inside the valve that controls pressure unless it's broken |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: April-08-2020 at 10:13pm
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Or the cable just became unhooked. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: roadtrip
Date Posted: April-08-2020 at 11:42pm
| Hope the problem is simple to fix. A failed damper will do what you've described but isn't a simple fix. |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-09-2020 at 10:44pm
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Sorry for delay, wa shaving issues logging in on my phone to reply. Cable connected and shifting trans armature properly. I do not recall the engine revving up when it slowed. Dropped it in water and same thing happened. The output of trans (and shaft) turned slowly clockwise in neutral, forward, and reverse, but never really engage into gear. Did not notice any trans fluid coming form exhaust. I did call a local boat guy who just happened to work on Velvet drives when he was in military. he said he thought it may be the pump. What model is it in this old 1965 boat? 70C? I think 71C and 72C came in the 70's didn't they? ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-09-2020 at 10:45pm
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And thanks for all the help everyone! ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-09-2020 at 11:58pm
I hate shaving while I'm on the phone  Is your tag still on the transmission? Right in front of the dipstick. in the picture below There's a good chance it's a 70 series based on the year and engine size. Do you have a manual for the transmission, if not then click on the link and you'll have one from the CCF reference section http://correctcraftfan.com/Downloads/Velvet_Service_Manual.pdf" rel="nofollow - link  Have the guy check the pressure control valve before taking the transmission out, it only takes a few minutes and there's a chance it's causing the issue. Might be a slim chance but I'd pull it out and inspect it for internal binding or a broken spring.. Like mentioned earlier the operating pressure can be checked in the boat also. |
GregD wrote:Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 11:35am
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My dipstick is metal and on the right side with the shifter on the left. One of the cooling lines comes in the top and there is a "vent" on top. Looks different than that picture. I took video of the trans barely moving while in gear. I'll grab a screen shot fo the top of trans to help with the model ID. ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 11:46am
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Picture of top of trans: https://flic.kr/p/2iNQQXD Picture of shifter side of trans https://flic.kr/p/2iNN9mz ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:01pm
Greg, I can't get to your pictures even after copying and pasting in my browser. Maybe someone else can or, you could try posting them? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:19pm
Greg, Found the pictures. Must have been a problem up here with my Frontier internet!  Ok, you have Dearbomatic trans. The early versions were very problematic and even the third wasn't the greatest. They were build by Dearborn Marine division of Ford and had a very short lived production lasting lest than 10 years. Parts can be a problem. There is one person that does rebuild them. Bruce (CCfan member riley) if he sees this post can post the phone #. If the boat was mine, I'd be looking for a bell housing and Velvet Drive. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:30pm
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Greg, Found the person who works on the Dearbo's:
------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:36pm
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Thanks all....seems that some are saying just replacing with a velvet drive may be the better option that working on that Dearborn since they tended to be problematic. I'll get ahold of Jim and see if he has some easy suggestions that may help. ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:38pm
Keep it original?
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:43pm
I remember some one having trouble with AT&T as well. I'm thinking the trouble is between the key board and the chair  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:44pm
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Would a rebuilt velvet drive be a "drop in" replacement with just needing to route the cooler lines? Or is the spacing way different requiring a different drive shaft, coupling, etc. ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:54pm
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The good news is the 260 Interceptor fires right up and runs strong. Unfortunately when the trans gave out, I was about a mile upstream on the Ohio river and had to make sure I paddled close enough to shore to make the turn to the ramp. Yikes, that was unsettling. When choosing between original and reliable, I'll take reliable. If I can get both, that's a good thing. I think I may have the third version of the Dearbomatic trans because it uses ATF if I read the google pages right. ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:54pm
Gary, I'm hearing that with all the stay at home orders that the internet is at a peak nearing overload. It's pretty common for my Frontier service to "overload" and I'm told it's due to one of their servers going down and then others needing to pick up that traffic. Today when I copied and pasted the flickr, it simply would not load. I tried it several times!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 12:56pm
Not a problem at all. Even with the ACBS, reliability and even more safety overcomes originality. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 1:00pm
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If I were to buy a rebuilt Velvet and bell housing would it be pretty much drop in, bolt up, hook up/adjust linkage, hook up trans cooler lines, and good to go? I have worked on cars a lot, but never on a boat so "spacing" concepts in a boat are new to me. ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 1:24pm
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Probably no Greg. Motor mounts most likely won't switch over so you would have to source them as well. Holes won't line up in the stringers so a fill and redrill would need to be done. Possible drive shaft work as well. All in all not an impossible job but certainly not a drop in. Pete maybe their squirrel powered CO equipment is getting a work out Thought I had heard they were having financial problems awhile back ? Pretty much the General telephone of the 21 century ? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 1:32pm
I guess it's a good thing I posted a picture of a Borg Warner transmission You might want to do some research on bellhousings before just getting what you think is right. Since you say you have a 260, it would have the early SBF bellhousing bolt pattern with 5 bolts holding it on. Most later stuff has a different pattern with 6 bolts They're a little hard to find these days for a marine application unless what you have now has the same transmission mounting pattern you could use that. You'd maybe need a new damper plate to go along with everything else and maybe some new transmission mounts. It won't be the simplest of "swaps" |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 1:34pm
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Well, a call to Jim later today is in order then. Thanks all. Who knows...maybe I'll get lucky and he'll tell me its just the pressure regulating valve and there are a few easily changed parts to make it work again. Worst case sounds like I can pull the trans myself and ship it to him for a rebuild. ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 1:41pm
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A good thing to remember is that any talk of pressure control valves etc or any suggestions by people was before you figured out it wasn't a Borg Warner. Talking to Jim is your best bet
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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 1:43pm
You must have done some "updating" over the years on the oldies I guess to stay as safe as you can be, right Pete?
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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 1:50pm
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Here's some reading in the link below http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20154&PN=1&title=63-transmission-help" rel="nofollow - link |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 2:39pm
Fusing is the most common "update" ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 3:25pm
But... But Pete That didn't answer my question How about things like your fuel pumps, carburetors, starters, alternators/generators bilge blowers etc? |
Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 5:20pm
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Jim is a super nice guy. Gave me a couple of things to check with trans installed before going to remove it and sending it to him. Also told me that the velvet drive is a direct bolt on with just a "shim" to the plate in back side of engine back a little for better spline engagement to trans. Hopefully it is just the little control disc in the shifter or the spring. He said the pressure relief valve could be stuck open too. ------------- 1965 American Skier |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 8:27pm
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If you click on the link below you'll find starting on page 41 of the manual a section on your Dearborn Model C. courtesy of the CCF reference section It has some good info/pictures for you to help with visualizing Jim's suggestions http://correctcraftfan.com/downloads/Interceptor%20Manual.pdf" rel="nofollow - link |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 9:29pm
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I think I'll be optimistic and say that you'll find the problem without taking the transmission out of the boat
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Posted By: GregD
Date Posted: April-10-2020 at 10:05pm
Thank you for pointing me to the right page and for being optimistic!  ------------- 1965 American Skier |