Rolled the dice
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Topic: Rolled the dice
Posted By: burban65
Subject: Rolled the dice
Date Posted: June-12-2020 at 5:14pm
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So............if by chance someone would buy a 1984 2001 that has not been ran since the end of the 2018 boating season (in the Midwest) what items besides the below would you feel should be checked before giving it a battery charged key turn (with fake a lake on) and then maybe a drop in the lake for a ride. 1) Impeller change 2) Thermostat change 3) Oil and filter change 4) Check tranny fluid (change?) 5) Check / change plugs 6) Carb cleaner? Abbreviated back story - boat was owned by same family since 1987 and was winterized properly and maintained by a mechanic. Appreciate any inputs the group would have on this one as I have had some risk / reward conversations with myself a few times over the last few days on this subject matter. ------------- SRB |
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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-12-2020 at 5:24pm
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I wouldn't call it absolutely necessary, but pulling the plugs and rolling it over for 10 seconds or so with the starter will circulate the oil and you'll see it build pressure on the gauge. You're taking the plugs out anyways 
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Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-12-2020 at 5:33pm
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Keno........I will add this to the list..........Thanks! ------------- SRB |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: June-12-2020 at 7:12pm
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I would also check all hose clamps for tightness & also do an alignment. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-12-2020 at 7:46pm
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Noted and added to the list.........Thanks Chris! ------------- SRB |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: June-14-2020 at 11:07pm
| No reason to change the thermostat, unless info was given that it’s bad. |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 12:32am
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Thanks Paul.........was trying to do "easy" items just to be proactive but understand your take. . I bought the boat without hearing it run, driving it etc.... so am a bit excited to say the least to play with it some. Boat and trailer are original, floor and stringers are very solid so I took a chance based on the owners feedback that it ran well when they put it away. I have the annual in laws / family gathering next weekend at our house so spent this weekend getting the house, outside, boats etc... ready for that so I only got to look at the new "toy" parked in front of the house.. My goal is to have it ready for a test run by the July 4th weekend. ------------- SRB |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 9:59am
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I would check & lube the impeller put some fresh gas in it hook up a bucket and hose and see if it run's. Then start with the preventive or necessary maintenance, no sense putting the cart before the horse. IMO By the way I bought my 2000 Sport with out hearing it run, no big issues and the price was right. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 10:24am
Plus 1. I've started boats up that have been laid up for 5-6 years plus without any problems. Agree to getting it started and then take a look at what's needed and that's without doing anything to the RWP. Squirt some gas down the carb throat for a prime. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
gun-driver wrote:Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 12:49pm
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Thanks for the inputs Paul / Pete! The PO had a new impeller (still in package from Nautique Parts) in a box in the boat so I am probably going to go ahead and put that in (that is within my skill level) and then prime it a bit and see what happens with the hose hooked up and running.. Quick check yesterday showed that the oil level was right on and oil looked good. Tranny fluid looked very good and level was right where it should be. The anticipation of how this is going to turn out is all part of the fun. I sold my 85 awhile back and getting this 84 has just reminded me how much fun the chase, purchase, and messing around with the older (80's era is my sweet spot) CC's can be......right down to the unique smell of taking the cover off. I know most people on this forum understand those feelings. ------------- SRB |
Posted By: Jonny Quest
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 12:57pm
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I know that some may consider this to be over-kill, but oil pressure and cooling problems are 2 of the fastest ways to kill an engine. As such, I would change raw water impeller, thermostat and temperature sending unit. As for oil, you mentioned an oil change. I like the higher flow oil filters -- particularly the K&N. I would also change trans fluid as peace-of-mind. If you don't know when the carb was last rebuilt, that may be a good project to consider. A carb re-build is not expensive and is not very difficult to do. Cheap insurance in my opinion. JQ ------------- Current 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 1:55pm
You are correct: Over kill 
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Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 3:13pm
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Gun Driver advised new gasoline. Great advice. Old gas can make your valves stick in your cyl heads. Then you face engine overhaul or at least a valve job. Today’s fuel is safe for maybe 6-7 mos. If older than that dump it. If your tank is only 1/4 full today you could probably fill it with premium gas drive a little on the trailer to mix it up and be ok but fresh gas is needed to avoid problems. WE NEED PICTURES!!! It should be easy to get this boat on the water next weekend. It is best to change your oils and adjust the hose clamps when they are warm or hot. Stiff cold hoses don’t seal well. Impellers are cheap and yours has been sitting two years plus it may have run before that, change it. Pictures! ------------- |
Posted By: Jonny Quest
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 3:17pm
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Over-kill is a symptom of BOD ( Boat Obsession Disorder). I got it bad... JQ ------------- Current 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
Posted By: flyweed
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 3:43pm
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check the belts for dry rot, wear, excessive play and tighten or replaced, check the plug wires as well. check all hoses and the clamps that hold them on. When some winterize their boats, they loosen the belts to take tension off the pulleys, and raw water pump, etc, so check tension as well. ------------- '93 Ski Nautique NWZ, Air Boom Tower Drink Tonight..for tomorrow We Ride! |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: June-15-2020 at 4:19pm
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Drive it like you stole it. !!!!!!! ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens 2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
Posted By: onebigdog
Date Posted: June-18-2020 at 10:18pm
| After you run it with the fake lake, take the input hose off the transmission oil cooler and check for crap than can clog water flow through the cooler.. |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 12:06am
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Finally got some time to play with the 84 this weekend. Put the new numbers on, changed the oil, filter, impeller, new battery and T stats as those items are within my skill level. Went to fire it up and....................turned over but will not fire. Had spark at all the plugs, gas going into the carb when the throttle was pumped (poured gas in the carb before initially turning over. Condition reminded me of a lanyard off type situation that I have experienced with my newer Nautiques. I remember the 85 I had, and sold, had a master power fuse but did not see anything like that on the dash. There was a switch below the Nav switch (pic enclosed) that I could not figure out what it was for. Brochure here on the site did not help me. I got frustrated and called it quits. I am very week when it comes to mechanical troubleshooting and will not pretend otherwise thus would appreciate any / all inputs from the regulars on the forum. as to what I should try next. Besides the boat not starting it was fun crawling around and messing with it, cleaning it up etc.... The garage in front of the house out on the street was a bit warm at times but not complaining about good weather. For the most part the boat and trailer are all there so it should be fun to play with for a bit (after I get it running) before deciding next steps. I did take a few pics so I would not catch flack from you guys but I am still working on zipping them down to size to get them posted............will keep trying. ------------- SRB |
Posted By: Jonny Quest
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 12:29am
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Safety kill-switch lanyard in place? You'd be surprised how many times this has confounded folks... JQ ------------- Current 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 12:47am
 /Users/owner1/Desktop/84 dash switches.png ------------- SRB |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 12:53am
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Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 1:04am
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JQ I have been burned by that (lanyard off) on my 05 before so can relate. I do not see anything like a lanyard on the 84 though. Puzzled as to what that switch below the Nav switch is........see first pic above. ------------- SRB |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 2:00am
That second switch down is the infamous unlabeled spare switch that feeds...............nothing. It's come up numerous times here on CCF It comes from the factory with a hot feed into it and no wire on the outlet so you could use it for whatever you wanted or just leave it as is. A dive under the dash would tell you if a PO used it for anything |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 2:34am
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If there was a lanyard or anything resembling a lanyard, it's function is to kill the spark by interrupting power to the coil. (Different from a fuel injected boat that might kill power to the fuel pumps instead) This isn't your problem, since you have spark at all the plugs and there's not a lanyard anyways. Not being there, I'd guess that maybe you didn't pour enough gas down the carb throat to prime it or..........maybe too much and it was flooded. If it ran at the end of 2018 and you're getting spark it should at least start. I'd turn the key in the morning and see what happens. If it doesn't start, pump the throttle a couple of times and try again. I won't ask a silly question like did the PO tell you it had a brand spankin' new starter or anything like that |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 11:16am
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Thanks for the feedback Ken! I think I need to put more gas down the carb as I was pretty lenient the first time. I did not even get a slight pop of any kind. I am optimistic that my next round of playing with the boat (probably not until this coming 4th weekend) will go better. And thanks for the info on that switch! ------------- SRB |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 11:33am
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When you checked the plugs for spark, were any of them wet with fuel? When you go to try it, don't pour gas down the carb first, in fact if your accelerator pumps are working, and you said you saw them squirting gas when you pumped the throttle, then you shouldn't need to pour any gas in. Pump the throttle a few times, turn the key and see what happens. Good luck! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 11:33am
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Steve, Which direction is the engine cranking? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 12:39pm
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David - no wet plugs Peter - embarrassed to say but will admit I can't answer the question as to direction the engine was cranking ------------- SRB |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 1:36pm
Ken hinted on the rotation:
------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 2:25pm
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Pete..........Noted on your input and Ken's hint. Will update the group when I revisit later this week. ------------- SRB |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 2:50pm
Aw shucks Pete, I was just setting you up to ask "the question" So Steve, if you're looking back at the engine from the driver's seat while you're cranking it over, it should be rotating CCW. In standard marine engine terminology, a reverse rotating engine like your boat came with, rotates to the Right when viewed from behind meaning it would rotate to the left when viewed from the front. If it's got a nice shiny new starter and it's rotating CW when looking from the driver's seat, the starter is wrong and you'd need a starter for a Reverse Rotation engine. Let's hope for "prime it and turn the key" working for you
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Posted By: Jonny Quest
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 3:03pm
I would recommend caution....only 1-2 tablespoons of raw fuel down the carb throat. You don’t want a hydraulic lock condition. JQ ------------- Current 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
Posted By: LongLakeWI
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 6:04pm
| I hesitate posting here since I'm a newbie and really don't know *************** but I have an '82 SN2001 which is the exact same boat as the '84 (I believe.) The first year I had it I remember it just wouldn't start and i found the RED "reset" button on the back side of the engine pressed it not really knowing what it was and it fired right up. I hope you get her going and she roars down the lake on the 4th! |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 6:17pm
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Michael............I was a newbie way back when........can't believe how many years I have been on this forum, reading post from all these guys and soaking in the fun and memories it has provided me. I have a high degree of confidence I will get the boat running and any bugs worked out with all the input / support I will have from the group. Although I too poke and prod a few of the members more than others (you know who you are) I really respect them all and value their inputs as well as their forum presence. I was saying over the weekend if only so and so were here from CCFAN this boat would be running in no time at all. And...........your red button input is noted. ------------- SRB |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: June-29-2020 at 6:56pm
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Hey LLWI You survived your first thread with mention of pulling tubes without any real abuse from the usual suspects. And.............I hope your backseat turned out nice and cushy like this one in your second thread Stick around, have fun and don't take anything too seriously 
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Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: July-06-2020 at 12:08am
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Update - Got the boat fired up Thursday night. As some of you thought it was not getting enough fuel. Ramp is only a few minutes from my house so I dropped the boat in the water and ran it for a bit. Temp peaked after a few minutes running and then came down to around 180 for a few minutes then went back up. I shut the boat down and let is sit for about 15 minutes and then fired it up again. Temp peaked again after a minute or so on the water and this time did not come back down at all so I shut it down and called it quits for the night. Some questions.........any negatives to pulling the T stat and running the boat so see if the temp issue changes? I know the impeller was changed correctly so what would be next steps in temp diagnosis.......... is there a way to verify the temp gauge is correct? Temp issue aside, the boat ran well, no vibrations at any speeds (I did not push the limits only ran it up to about 25 mph), boat turned smoothly, boat slipped into reverse / forward well so nothing else major discovered.......so far. Boat idles way to fast so I need to address that. Appreciate any suggestions on next steps from the group. Boat troubleshooting aside..........I hope everyone had a great 4th weekend! ------------- SRB |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: July-06-2020 at 1:28am
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It's really unlikely that a brand new thermostat is bad. My suggestion would be to run it on the trailer with a timmy-tee feeding it water, search here and you'll see it's a simple way to run your engine on the trailer, just a few dollars at the hardware store to set it up. When running on the trailer, you can see the water flow coming out the pipes, so you know you are getting good flow from the raw water pump. The advantage to the tee setup over a fake a lake is you aren't pressurizing the raw water loop, it's pretty much operating as if it was in the water. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: July-06-2020 at 9:13am
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What did your temperature peak at? Since you put a new thermostat in, what temperature was it? And for the silly question, did it get put in "pointy side up" ? No thermostat for short term testing won't be a problem |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: July-06-2020 at 11:20am
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Thanks for the follow up inputs / questions Ken and David. Ken - T stat was from Nautique parts - THERMOSTAT KIT – PCM FORD ENGINES – 143 DEGREES MOST ENGINES 1995 AND OLDER. T Stat was installed in correct orientation..........I don't mind those type questions at all. Temp gauge just maxed out to the right and stayed there (besides coming back down for a short time on my initial run).......not sure what max of the gauge is. Hoping to get more time messing with the boat this coming weekend so will have more to share. ------------- SRB |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: July-06-2020 at 11:56am
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Seems like the most likely possibilities are minimal cooling water flow, or bad sender or gauge. I'd check connections at sender and gauge. What gives me pause about that is that at one point it did drop to 180, meaning it is functioning to some extent. Again, I'd like to see adequate water flowing out the pipes first to eliminate raw water pump issues. Then pull the stat if you want to prove that out. Then look into sender and gauge. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: July-06-2020 at 4:09pm
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Thanks for the follow up inputs / questions Ken and David. Ken - T stat was from Nautique parts - THERMOSTAT KIT – PCM FORD ENGINES – 143 DEGREES MOST ENGINES 1995 AND OLDER. T Stat was installed in correct orientation..........I don't mind those type questions at all. Temp gauge just maxed out to the right and stayed there (besides coming back down for a short time on my initial run).......not sure what max of the gauge is. Hoping to get more time messing with the boat this coming weekend so will have more to share. Also, boat was idling pretty fast but would stay running and not cough at all but would cut out / die when trying to apply throttle.......wondering if bad gas (tank was full when I got it) contributed to that condition or if I should be looking elsewhere to address that issue??? ------------- SRB |
Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: August-10-2020 at 11:41am
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All, GREAT to be back on the site......I was so needing some feedback from the group over the last few weeks. Quick update - drained the old gas out and put 10 gallons of new fuel in the boat, Replaced fuel filter and.......boat is starting and running fairly well. I did take out the T stat and took a 25 minute spin on the lake. Boat was idling high so I adjusted that a bit. Temp was running around 140 ish and maintaining. Boat was taking on some water (more than normal quantities). Questions I have now: 1) Any potential severe issues that could arise if I continue to run the boat without the T stat? For whatever reason boat temp pegs out when T stat is in (per prior post I did try a new T stat and it was placed in proper orientation) 2) Taking on water - looks like both "channels" where the starboard / port exhaust sit and run out the back are taking on water as soon as I lower the boat down into the water off the lift. Assuming this is from the bellows at the stern of the boat but not sure. I have felt around them and they seem to be intact. Appreciate any input from the group on this one.........sealing, replacing, where else to look etc...???? I need to pull the floor back off and run the boat back out on the lake for a bit to see if water is coming through the shaft / packing as well. Appreciate any / all feedback from the group on the above. ------------- SRB |
Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: August-10-2020 at 12:29pm
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Couple things- Check/tighten all clamps on the exhaust system hoses. Since t-stat is out, put it into a pot of boiling water and watch it (hopefully) open. Since you're close to ramp, remove any rear seat/center floor/rear partition and launch. Don't start. Watch and locate where water may be entering. Just spitballing ------------- 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |