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Topic: New owner 1987 Martinique questions
Posted By: snrealestate
Subject: New owner 1987 Martinique questions
Date Posted: October-14-2020 at 12:57pm
CCF Friends,

Thank you all for your Martinique pre purchase answers to all my questions.  Very helpful!

Thank you 3mile for the craigslist ad link from WV.  I bought that boat this weekend and would not have known about it if you had not shared that link.

I am now a Newbie owner of a 1987 Martinique with a 351 PCM.
I have several post purchase questions for any of you willing to share your knowledge and expertise.

1)  What could cause this engine to have a steady miss consistent with the RPM's?  I did not notice it at the water test buying the boat.  It is not an inconsistent miss, skip or sputter.  The miss stays the same frequency as the motor rpm's and causes very minor vibration in the boat in nuetral if that makes sense?
2)  A good online source with good prices for PCM parts?
3)  Is replacing the distributor points with the module a good idea to avoid having to set points gap and dwell?
4)  Should I replace the spark plug wires and distributor cap if the previous owner has not replaced them in 12 years and doesn't know when they were replaced last?
5)  Is it ok to clean the motor with a degreaser like GUNK spray and water spray covering the carburetor and distributor?
6)  Replacing spark plugs needed if it has been 2 seasons?
7)  Good idea to replace the PCV valve if previous owner doesn't know when it was replaced last?
8)  Previous owner added a peacock to the water intake line when he noticed it was running a little warm and didn't replace the water pump impeller.  Not the right way to do this I think?  I am tempted to eliminate the peacock, replace it with a water hose connection to be able to run it out of the lake and certainly replace the impeller instead.  Good idea?  Bad idea? 
9)  The interior wood (or is it faux wood?) panels need refinishing.  Should I sand these and what should I refinish them with?
10) What viscosity of motor oil should I use in GA?  Marine oil only?  Brand of oil?  Change oil every season regardless of hours put on the boat each season?
11)  Change the screw on fuel filter every season?
12)  Ok to use 10% ethanol fuel if I use the Sta-Bil marine ethanol fuel additive?
13)  How often should I caulk behind the transom exhaust ports?
14)  Ok to winterize by just draining all the water out of the manifolds, motor block drains and water pump elbow drain?  Low 20's is normally our coldest winter temps in GA.
15)  A fiberglass shop recommended I have him repair some places on the keel where the gel coat is chipped off exposing fiberglass.  He says that could cause the gel coat on the bottom of the hull to delaminate.  Sounds extreme to me.  My marina owner says he only agrees with this if I was going to leave the boat in the water for weeks at a time.  Boat will be dry stacked and in water for long weekends or a week at the most.

Thank you!!  



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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-14-2020 at 2:02pm
The first thing you should probably do is .................delete the last post in the 88 Martinique price thread that is a duplicate of your post above.

That'll keep any answers you get all in one spot in this thread and avoid totally confusing some of our feeble minds.

15 questions in one post will be tough enough Wink

I imagine you'll get at least 2 or 3 answers to every question, so hang on and use your best judgement when reading the answers


Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: October-14-2020 at 2:45pm
On winterizing, you mentioned the main plugs that need to be pulled out, but, there is a little plug on the side of your heat exchanger for the trans cooler.  Don't forget to let the water drain out there.  I made that mistake a couple of years ago, and it did freeze, and broke the braze that held the bottom cap on.  Not a big deal to fix, just a PIA.  That little plug is tough to get too, but doable.  Also, unscrew your water strainer too to make sure no water in there.  That is the clear water filter thingy at the back of the motor and above the trans area with big hoses on it.  

On steam cleaning/degreasing, I would probably wait until I got it running right first.  You get water in the distributor, or carb and it can really throw you off in trying to track the problem down.  I would start by doing a complete tune-up (new plugs, wires, points, condenser, etc.)  The condenser's can really cause issues, and it is a real easy fix.  My '68 Ford tuck kept blowing them out, and it ran like s#%t until I put in a Pertronix electronic ignition.  But, I have had no trouble with the boat points/condenser.  On the points, you may want to take a thin piece of cardboard and run between the points to make sure there is no oil, or spray on them.  Heck, just throw some new ones on.  

Is your timing set to ~10 deg BTDC?  Check that.

Your carb may need a rebuild too.  But, I would do the tune stuff first to see what fixes things and what doesn't.  You may have a vacuum leak, or may have some jets plugged up.  That could be a fun little winter project for you.  Plus, there is a guy on this site that keeps every part you can imagine for these carbs, and is always very helpful.  He is the Correct Craft Answer Man!  Wink

You may want to do a compression test too to make sure all cylinders are close to each other in compression.  Do this test with all the plugs pulled out, and your carb at WOT.  Make sure you disconnect the distributor cap wire so it doesn't get spark to the plugs.  

This should give you a few things to chew on to get you going.  

Congrats on selecting one of the best boats CC ever built!!  ;) 








Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by snrealestate snrealestate wrote:

CCF Friends,

Thank you all for your Martinique pre purchase answers to all my questions.  Very helpful!

Thank you 3mile for the craigslist ad link from WV.  I bought that boat this weekend and would not have known about it if you had not shared that link.

I am now a Newbie owner of a 1987 Martinique with a 351 PCM.
I have several post purchase questions for any of you willing to share your knowledge and expertise.

1)  What could cause this engine to have a steady miss consistent with the RPM's?  I did not notice it at the water test buying the boat.  It is not an inconsistent miss, skip or sputter.  The miss stays the same frequency as the motor rpm's and causes very minor vibration in the boat in nuetral if that makes sense?
A misfire on one cylinder due to a bad distributor cap, plug wire, plug etc  comes to mind. It could be a mechanical problem associated with one cylinder too. Do a full tuneup of the ignition system as a start
2)  A good online source with good prices for PCM parts?
Discount Inboard Marine, Nautique Parts, SkiBoat Parts Online but shopping around, asking here on CCF will usually get lower prices elsewhere
3)  Is replacing the distributor points with the module a good idea to avoid having to set points gap and dwell?
If you want to avoid screwing around with points, then it's a good idea
4)  Should I replace the spark plug wires and distributor cap if the previous owner has not replaced them in 12 years and doesn't know when they were replaced last?
See #1 do a complete tuneup
5)  Is it ok to clean the motor with a degreaser like GUNK spray and water spray covering the carburetor and distributor?
Sure
6)  Replacing spark plugs needed if it has been 2 seasons?
See #1 complete tuneup
7)  Good idea to replace the PCV valve if previous owner doesn't know when it was replaced last?
They last a long time, but they're cheap and easy to replace so why not
8)  Previous owner added a peacock to the water intake line when he noticed it was running a little warm and didn't replace the water pump impeller.  Not the right way to do this I think?  I am tempted to eliminate the peacock, replace it with a water hose connection to be able to run it out of the lake and certainly replace the impeller instead.  Good idea?  Bad idea? 
I hope it wasn't the NBC peacock Wink
Get rid of the petcock depending on location and put a tee in (search here on CCF for "Timmy T") and replace the impeller so you're off to a fresh start.
This wasn't a water shutoff right at the hull intake was it
9)  The interior wood (or is it faux wood?) panels need refinishing.  Should I sand these and what should I refinish them with?
A guy named Pete handles all wood questions around here
10) What viscosity of motor oil should I use in GA?  Marine oil only?  Brand of oil?  Change oil every season regardless of hours put on the boat each season?
Seasonal change would be good 15W40 Shell Rotella diesel oil is good stuff at a reasonable price used by lots of people, you'll get plenty of opinions here too. Some people like to use rrrrrace oil Wink
11)  Change the screw on fuel filter every season?
Doesn't hurt may be overkill depending on amount of use per season, but they're cheap too
12)  Ok to use 10% ethanol fuel if I use the Sta-Bil marine ethanol fuel additive?
You'll be OK with 10% ethanol and nothing added Plenty of differing opinions out there though
13)  How often should I caulk behind the transom exhaust ports?
if they don't leak, don't fix them
14)  Ok to winterize by just draining all the water out of the manifolds, motor block drains and water pump elbow drain?  Low 20's is normally our coldest winter temps in GA.
Some Georgian will tell you what to do in your area. Antifreeze never hurts though for that record cold snap that might show up
15)  A fiberglass shop recommended I have him repair some places on the keel where the gel coat is chipped off exposing fiberglass.  He says that could cause the gel coat on the bottom of the hull to delaminate.  Sounds extreme to me.  My marina owner says he only agrees with this if I was going to leave the boat in the water for weeks at a time.  Boat will be dry stacked and in water for long weekends or a week at the most.
It wouldn't hurt to fix them, might be expensive but you could do it yourself too

Thank you!!  
That should get you started with some opinions, now more opinions can chime in


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 7:04pm
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 7:08pm
I just finished winterizing my neigbors Chris/Hurcules. It's been a drain only for 72 years and still runs great! Big smile Drain only is certainly an option. 

BTW, it's also been running on points for 72 years too. No EI convertion in the works!


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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 7:18pm
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I just finished winterizing my neigbors Chris/Hurcules. It's been a drain only for 72 years and still runs great! Big smile Drain only is certainly an option. 

BTW, it's also been running on points for 72 years too. No EI convertion in the works!

But.........has it ever popped one of those plugs in the block whatever they're called? Wink


Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 7:40pm
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

 
BTW, it's also been running on points for 72 years too. No EI convertion in the works!

1 day a year for 72 years is not that impressive Wink LOL


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Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 8:18pm
Yeah Gary, those boats “up north” don’t get out much. I bet Petes entire fillet gets less than 25 hours/year.


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I just finished winterizing my neigbors Chris/Hurcules. It's been a drain only for 72 years and still runs great! Big smile Drain only is certainly an option. 

BTW, it's also been running on points for 72 years too. No EI convertion in the works!

But.........has it ever popped one of those plugs in the block whatever they're called? Wink

I guess Pete doesn't wanna answer the question but the link below just might answer it Wink

http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42970&title=core-or-freeze-plugs" rel="nofollow - link


Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 8:37pm
Every year on August 3 it must be busier than H E double hockey sticks. Your 25 hours are crammed into 24. In Pete's case he has 3 boats, that's alot of running around in circles- might as well pull a tube.......

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Posted By: snrealestate
Date Posted: October-15-2020 at 9:57pm
Thank you, Keno!


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-16-2020 at 5:41am
Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I just finished winterizing my neigbors Chris/Hurcules. It's been a drain only for 72 years and still runs great! Big smile Drain only is certainly an option. 

BTW, it's also been running on points for 72 years too. No EI convertion in the works!

But.........has it ever popped one of those plugs in the block whatever they're called? Wink

I guess Pete doesn't wanna answer the question but the link below just might answer it Wink


This was a classic case of not probing the drain hole due to a drain cock without a removable stem. The location of the drain is behind the RWP and it's so close that a removable stem will not fit. I now remove the stop completely. Would getting some RV anti in it have helped? I don't know and I don't what to see if it would have. Drain and probe si key and again anti freeze is an option. 


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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-16-2020 at 7:07am
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I just finished winterizing my neigbors Chris/Hurcules. It's been a drain only for 72 years and still runs great! Big smile Drain only is certainly an option. 

BTW, it's also been running on points for 72 years too. No EI convertion in the works!

But.........has it ever popped one of those plugs in the block whatever they're called? Wink

I guess Pete doesn't wanna answer the question but the link below just might answer it Wink


This was a classic case of not probing the drain hole due to a drain cock without a removable stem. The location of the drain is behind the RWP and it's so close that a removable stem will not fit. I now remove the stop completely. Would getting some RV anti in it have helped? I don't know and I don't what to see if it would have. Drain and probe si key and again anti freeze is an option. 

So Pete

Maybe you should explain to Scott why you're telling him to just drain it but  in your infinite wisdom you drain and then pour in a gallon of antifreeze to mix with any water that might remain after the drain job on your engine(s)  It must be the mandatory option for you  Wink

How many people here on CCF have popped the "plug" that's right above the starter because some water remains there on a SBF tilted at an angle.

Now what's Scott have for an engine..........it's a 351w mounted at an angle, not an old Chris/Hercules

Kinda hard to get all that water out on that side of the engine no matter how many holes you probe

Here's a quote of yours from an old thread

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by Cumby Cumby wrote:

Hey, ive read some people drive around with the boat on the trailer after they fill with antifreeze. Do you think that is necessary, or OK to just drop the bow some, drain and fill?
Thanks
 
There sure are anal people out there that go way over what's needed!  If fully drained, there's no water so there's no need to try and mix it up. Lowering the bow isn't a bad idea since the starboard block drain is forward in the block but, as Chris mentions, it does depend on the angle the boat is sitting on. I lower the bow if it's on a trailer but never if it's hanging in the boat house. Don't forget there is still the drain only method. I did it for years and now just throw in almost a gallon.


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-16-2020 at 7:26am
Scott

Send a PM to Nautiquehunter who lives not too far from you and ask him what he does to winterize every year.

Maybe he'll see this post and give an answer here, otherwise send him the PM Wink


Posted By: burban65
Date Posted: October-16-2020 at 10:52am
Reading threads with both Pete and Keno on them (and both providing input) is much more fun than the work I am knee deep into while sitting at my deck in the office this morning.
I owe you BOTH a profound. "THANKS"  for your participation in CCF Forums over the years!
Back to workSmile


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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-16-2020 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by burban65 burban65 wrote:

Reading threads with both Pete and Keno on them (and both providing input) is much more fun than the work I am knee deep into while sitting at my deck in the office this morning.
I owe you BOTH a profound. "THANKS"  for your participation in CCF Forums over the years!
Back to workSmile

Burb.......glad to keep you amused and distracted from work.

You'll have to check with Pete to see if he's glad to keep you amused

Since you're logged on right now, get back to work and earn your paycheck, quit surfing CCF till later Wink


Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: October-16-2020 at 6:44pm
I think we need to see some pictures of this Martinique.  

Pete.....I bought that Star Brite Teak Kit this year. It worked great.  Brought my platform and trim pieces back to new.   


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-16-2020 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

I think we need to see some pictures of this Martinique.   

Plus 1. 


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Posted By: 3mile
Date Posted: October-18-2020 at 7:57am
You are welcome! Glad it worked out. I have an 87 Riviera if you want to PM me any specific questions. Don't post here much but have lurked the last 5 years or so. And yes. Send a pic!


Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: October-19-2020 at 10:32am
Here in North Carolina, I just drain the water out, the best I can. With plugs out I find a few steep hills and such them replace the plugs in the holes. My boat stays on a trailer. 

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Posted By: snrealestate
Date Posted: October-25-2020 at 8:34pm
CCF,

2 more questions regarding my 1987 Martinique with a 351.

1)  If I don't know when the trans fluid was changed last, should I leave it in or have it changed?  I know with some transmissions it's best to leave the fluid in if it is old?
2)  Am I ok to occasionally run 10% ethanol fuel if I add StaBil marine ethanol fuel additive?


Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: October-25-2020 at 8:49pm
Sure, change the fluid.  It is cheap peace of mind.  I myself don't buy into the fluid-change-hurts idea.

Ethanol gas OK until it breaks down after several months.  Stabil helps but it is best not to store many gallons over the winter.


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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-26-2020 at 8:38am
Originally posted by snrealestate snrealestate wrote:

CCF,

2 more questions regarding my 1987 Martinique with a 351.

1)  If I don't know when the trans fluid was changed last, should I leave it in or have it changed?  I know with some transmissions it's best to leave the fluid in if it is old?
2)  Am I ok to occasionally run 10% ethanol fuel if I add StaBil marine ethanol fuel additive?

No fair asking question #12 in your first post over again, cleverly called question #2 this time?  Wink

See the part in RED about plenty of differing opinions.

 
Originally posted by snrealestate snrealestate wrote:

 
12)  Ok to use 10% ethanol fuel if I use the Sta-Bil marine ethanol fuel additive?
You'll be OK with 10% ethanol and nothing added Plenty of differing opinions out there though

Besides, you got plenty of opinions when you asked on FB







Posted By: snrealestate
Date Posted: October-26-2020 at 1:17pm
You are right, Keno.  I needed to pay better attention to questions answered that I asked before.  Too much on the brain Shocked
Thank you!


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-26-2020 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by snrealestate snrealestate wrote:

You are right, Keno.  I needed to pay better attention to questions answered that I asked before.  Too much on the brain Shocked
Thank you!

But you'll never get a consistent answer to that question Wink


Posted By: snrealestate
Date Posted: November-08-2020 at 12:49pm
CCF,
Trying to post photos of my 87 Martinique.  I have tried the buttons at the top: Insert Image and Copy and Paste.  The 5 photos are saved as jpg files in my dropbox.  Help anyone?
Thank you for the referral to Discount Inboard Marine for my parts, and thanks to them for referring me to Gene Zobel in Chapin SC.


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-08-2020 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by snrealestate snrealestate wrote:

CCF,
Trying to post photos of my 87 Martinique.  I have tried the buttons at the top: Insert Image and Copy and Paste.  The 5 photos are saved as jpg files in my dropbox.  Help anyone?

Scott,
Yesterday and again today, posting pictures are a problem. I know Keith is working on the issue. 


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