Engine rotation ’65 barracuda
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Printed Date: November-27-2024 at 1:46pm
Topic: Engine rotation ’65 barracuda
Posted By: Old Man Barlow
Subject: Engine rotation ’65 barracuda
Date Posted: October-18-2006 at 3:24pm
Brother and I bought '65 CC Barracuda that we thought would be cool to restore. Allegedly good to go except missing engine. Mostly original parts and needs some paint, polish, & upholstery.
Okay, embarra$$ed to admit it, but we picked up and rebuilt a 302 ford (out of a '72 Ford Mustang) to drop in said Barracuda, and am now becoming aware of reverse rotation and special reservoir-forward oil pan(to account for considerable engine angle) .
So anyways, how do we verify rotation, get proper oil pan and if rotation is wrong on our engine, where do we look for 302 Ford w/ proper specs????
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Old Man Barlow
'65 Barracuda
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-18-2006 at 3:59pm
Your boat originally came with reverse rotation engine, If you built one from a 1972 ford and didnt change crank shaft, piston direction, etc then you now have a standard rotation engine so now your prop will turn the wrong direction once you get it to turn by indexing the transmission pump that is,
anyway I say whats done is done in terms of rotation, index the transmission, get a LH prop, and go boating. Don't be too embarra$$ed could happen to anyone BCCFC (Before Correct Craft Fan.Com)
Whats this about a reservoir-forward oil pan? The old interceptor ford 302s utilzied a pretty large Oil pan but the reservoir is in the back and they will work fine, yours probably will as well. Take a picture of it for us. You would not want a foward sump pan.
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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001
1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
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Posted By: Old Man Barlow
Date Posted: October-18-2006 at 4:08pm
Thanks for the feedback. In my haste to post I may have misinterpreted what my brother said about oil pan(fwd vs. rear sump).
Also haven't really studied the boat and engine in months, but we intend to make progress on restoration after hunting season.
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Old Man Barlow
'65 Barracuda
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Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: October-19-2006 at 6:20am
I think the 'van pans' are forward sump.
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
River Rat to Mole
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Posted By: dinows
Date Posted: October-23-2006 at 1:24pm
This is my first time on this forum, have owned CC for 30 years. I am swaping my 84 seized 351 for a 1974 302 out of a Penn Yann. My 302 goes the wrong way and have been reading about this indexing the transmission pump thing on other forums that cures this problem, could someone please tell me a little more about this procedure?
Thanks Dino
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-23-2006 at 5:36pm
Two things need to be done when placing an engine of a different rotation than the current one into a boat with velvet drive 1:1 transmission. The first is to index the hydralic pump that provides pressure to the clutch plates so that it creates pressure when turning in the new direction. The pump is located in the front of the transmission surrounding the input shaft. If you look closely you will see there are two direcional arrows one for standard and one for reverse rotation on the transmission, as well as a mark on the pump that will be aligned with one of the two on the transmission. You simply remove the bolts holding on the pump turn it to align the other mark and then reinstall the bolts.
The second thing that will be needed is a new propellor that turns opposite of the one you currently have. Once those two things are done you can go forward in forward and all is well.
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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001
1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video
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Posted By: dinows
Date Posted: October-23-2006 at 6:05pm
Thanks for the info, you have probably saved me a ton of money!!! ONE MORE THING. Will my bell housing and manifolds bolt on to the 302, anything else I should know ??
Thanks in advance Dino
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: October-23-2006 at 6:45pm
the starter, and dist are not interchangable from rev to standard rotations as well as some circulation pumps. They are interchangable from 351 to 302 but not when comparing engine rotation. Everything is interchangable with the exception of the oil pan and intake manifold from a 351 to 302 provided that the engine rotation does not come into play.
Also you will have to flip the RWP 180 as well you can not just change the impeller it's non-directional.
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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique
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Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: October-23-2006 at 10:14pm
Be very careful if you swap oil pans with different location sumps.you will have to change the oil pump pickup if you do this,and it may require a different main cap bolt to support the pick up tube in its new location.I have seen this done incorrectly and starve the engine for oil.Make sure you get ALL the necessary parts if you go that route,not just the pan & pickup
Mike
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Posted By: dinows
Date Posted: October-24-2006 at 12:17am
Thanks and I might just luck out and have the 302 be reverse like my 351, is there an easy way to tell if the 302 is reverse without starting it up ?
Thanks Dino
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Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: October-24-2006 at 6:44am
Turn the front damper with a breaker bar CCW, if it sucks where it should and blows where it should, its reverse, else it aint.
Don't forget your mismatched vintage engines will have different external balance, so don't go swaping flywheels.
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
River Rat to Mole
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Posted By: dinows
Date Posted: October-24-2006 at 10:20am
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boy that was a curve ball, Someone mentioned that the firing order would tell, any truth to that ?
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Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: October-25-2006 at 12:34am
IMHO, for what it's worth - I would sell the auto engine, take the money and apply it to a reverse rotation marine engine. I think you are otherwise facing too many problems... IMHO
In fact, to keep everything in order and have the motor mounts line up with the original holes I think you should look for a 318 (same block as the original 273) chrysler - that's what came in the Baracuda - am I right? But that's just me.
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Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: October-25-2006 at 10:52am
you can look at the harmonic balancer as well to determind rotation some while indicate before and after on them.
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Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: October-25-2006 at 7:33pm
A '65 Barracuda most likely came with an early polyhead M318.
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Gary
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS
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