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Printed Date: March-03-2025 at 7:32pm
Topic: 176
Posted By: zepper176
Subject: 176
Date Posted: September-25-2021 at 11:34am
| New to forum. Sold my 87 prostar after owning for 27 years and bought a 96 176 with 300 hours on it. Would like to put a new prop on it and was looking at the acme 422. Boat will be used for skiing only, ski speed range 32-34 mph. The other is the rudder, saw a few post about this but looking for an update. For owner changed to the stainless in 97 but also gave me the original brass with the sale - the letter from Correct Craft states that it is not a mandatory recall but an exchange program because of poor handling at low speeds, any thought? was thinking of putting the original back on. |
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Posted By: James T Brockma
Date Posted: September-25-2021 at 12:08pm
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There is a lot of information about 176 rudders on this site and PlanetNautique.com. The original welded stainless steel rudder was used by Correct Craft to “detune” the 176 since it handled and competed to well with the SN of that era when run with an 11-A tabbed rudder. I ran the original prop on my 1998 176 with the base 260 hp engine. ------------- Jim '06 216 '98 SN 176 |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: September-25-2021 at 2:04pm
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When I got my 176, it had no prop. I was recommnended 422 (15.5 pitch) or 654 (same but 15 pitch) I hoped to do a head to head comparison and had each on loan Ends up the 422 had a vibration and I could not get a good run with it. I kept the 654 and am very happy with it. The 422, with the extra 1/2 inch pitch might get you a little more top end, but not much difference, I wouldnt think. Might also negate the effects by reducing rpm a tad. Dont know. I get 44.+ top speed on mine with the "basic" 260 hp engine. If you are just slalom skiing 32-34, you dont need to squeak out every last mph, so the 654 might give you just a titch better hole shot. As far as rudders. There are 3 that the boat might have. The original was a small brass one. I am guessing that is the extra one you have, and not the "top performing" 11A, the big rudder from Nautiques. The second is the ugly stainless, which is on mine, and sounds like what is on yours. As you said, the little brass one performed badly, so CC went to the stainless one. Purists recommend putting the bigger 11A on. I have one to put on mine, but havent done it yet. Also requires you to swap out the port, as the 11A has a larger diameter shaft, which in turn requires reaming out the fiberglass a bit. I have been reluctant to take that on, but the word is, it makes quite a difference. I may this winter as I am spending more and more time in a course and improved tracking might be nice. Otherwise, the stainless rudder is just fine. I would not swap back to the small brass one. I investigated the whole rudder story a while ago, which I summarized in this thread on PN. I still dont have all the answers, but I have reasonable photos and documentation to back the story. (about 1/2 way down page 3) https://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/forum/nautique-topics/show-us-your-nautique/624433-1999-air-tique-176/page3" rel="nofollow - https://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/forum/nautique-topics/show-us-your-nautique/624433-1999-air-tique-176/page3 The best evidence suggests the boat, once marketed and available, started with the small brass one, replaced by the stainless one because small brass one was a poor performer. Although the "needed to detune the boat" story is all over the place, including from an employee at the factory at the time, I have not found that story backed up. Unless....the prototype at the factory originally had an 11A and they "detuned" it with the small brass one before it ever went to market. I have a feeling that is the actual story. Once on the market, they went from the small brass to the stainless. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: zepper176
Date Posted: September-25-2021 at 2:44pm
| Good information- thanks! Post if you decide to modify for 11-A rudder |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: September-27-2021 at 6:53am
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Zepper It sounds like you have the CC letter from the original owner. A copy of that posted here would be a good addition to "the story of the 176 rudder"
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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: September-27-2021 at 12:20pm
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Great suggestion/request/recommendation Ken. Would like to add that to my records. People like to say/think the crappy stainless rudder was the "detune the boat" rudder, whereas it was actually the improve the boat over the crappy little bronze rudder, rudder. I still have no "proof" of the "detune the boat" legend, other than Jody's word, which I am sure is reliable, but I would like to see some "official" documentation or record of that somewhere. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: zepper176
Date Posted: September-28-2021 at 12:53pm
| Have picture of letter on my phone, will post it as soon as i can figure out how to to include a picture in reply. |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: September-28-2021 at 12:59pm
That could take years on your phone E mail it to this guy and he'll post it here on CCF keno439@gmail.com |
zepper176 wrote:Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-02-2021 at 8:51pm
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Here's Mike's rudder letter that came with his boat's paperwork 
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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: October-03-2021 at 9:00am
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That’s a great piece of documentation/ history that proves the crappy stainless rudder was not the “defuse the performance” rudder. Thanks! ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |