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Strut bearing and shaft advice sought

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Topic: Strut bearing and shaft advice sought
Posted By: swilliams
Subject: Strut bearing and shaft advice sought
Date Posted: July-25-2022 at 4:08pm
1976 Martinique with Omc 260hp. I just installed an Acme 540(from Tim) and then moved on to a shaft alignment. I was able to get that done although my strut bearing is worn. I have several questions about the driveline. First, the strut is “stamped” AF2500-6 which appears to be original to the boat. It has a shaft opening length of 5 1/8” and the set screws are not conducive for a 2 piece bearing. Is it possible to cut a 6” bearing down to make this work? Second, my drive shaft is stamped “50” near the coupler. The prop to strut clearance is 3”and tip of prop to bottom of the boat is 1”. Does this seem correct? Should I be closer to the strut than 3” or was this factory? I do not have any issues with performance, etc. Moving forward I would like to install the A.R.E shaft but do I keep it at the current length or shorten it? Not sure how much prop tip to boat clearance I would have. I have pics of all of this but I have asked Keith on several occasions what can be done to have the Tool bar show up on my posts to allow me to post them. I’d like to change the strut bearing soon but I’ve heard the coupler can be a pita to re-install. Currently don’t have the funds for the A.R.E shaft. Thanks, Steve

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1976 Martinique,350 Omc. 1975 Glastron/Carlson CV16,115 Merc.



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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: July-25-2022 at 8:50pm
A 76 Martinique and a 76 SN shared the same driveline components.

The standard shaft length is 50 inches which is probably the 50 stamped on your shaft.

They also had lots of distance between the strut and the prop hub. It could vary depending on the prop you have on when you're measuring it but something in the 2 1/2 inch range plus or minus a little, sounds right for a 76

If you don't have any vibration issues with the worn strut bearing, taking into account the "fun" involved in removing the coupling and the "double fun" involved with reinstalling it with the engine in the boat, I'd run it just the way it is till you get a double tapered shaft. Then you cut the old shaft right behind the coupler and remove it from under the boat and install the new double taper  shaft You'll have to remove the rudder or remove the strut to allow sliding the old shaft out and the new one in since the rudder is straight behind the shaft

Or............You could remove the strut from the boat and slide it off the shaft and replace the bushing on the workbench, then reinstall the strut and check your alignment. You'll probably have to unbolt the coupling from the transmission to give enough wiggle room to slide the strut off the shaft and back on or you can remove the rudder instead.

Another choice that sounds easy but is kinda hard is buying or building a special tool that clamps around the shaft and can push the old bushing out and push a new one on with the shaft installed

You can shorten the bushing to fit the strut with your favorite cutting tool.

A general thumbrule says you want about 10% of the prop diameter for your blade distance from the hull.

That would be about 1.3 inches in your case, you're a little closer but that's OK.

You've probably read on here that the prop hub should be about 1/2 inch from the back of the strut with fancy terms like "minimizing overhung load" being tossed around

Now if you try to go shorter with the shaft, that distance between the blades and the hull gets closer and if you try shortening it any from your 50 inches, you'll run into hull clearance issues

That's just the way CC did some shafts back then.

It been good for 40 something years the way it was built with all that distance between the strut and the prop. Not ideal, but hard for you to change with the measurements you've got

PS good luck with that tool bar request Wink


Posted By: swilliams
Date Posted: July-26-2022 at 8:20am
Thanks for your insight Ken! It appeared to me that everything I measured, etc. probably was that way from day one. What has me a bit stumped is the stamped number on the strut. It appears to the the same as a 154 (from pics and Gary S’s strut,shaft and rudder paper). Not totally hung up on that though. Looks like my off-season will be busy but worth the effort. The boat is yet to hit the water this season but I’m anxious to see how the 540 performs versus that beat up old Federal. You’re right, after 40+ years it’s still doing well. And I still continue to hunt for nos parts! Thanks again.


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1976 Martinique,350 Omc. 1975 Glastron/Carlson CV16,115 Merc.


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: July-26-2022 at 9:00am
Here's a link to an old thread

It was a 78 Martinique getting a new strut bearing among other things.

On page 2 post 2 you'll find reference to the same strut number AF 25006.

I'd figure it's original and stamped on at least some 154 DV struts over the years
 
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22104&PN=1&title=cutlass-bearing-questions" rel="nofollow - link

For some strange reason I keep an eye out for black Mallory springs and an old CC gas cap Wink


Posted By: swilliams
Date Posted: July-26-2022 at 9:15am
Ken, found 2 nos exhaust manifolds(log style) this spring and Omc “engine blue” spray paint. Seems like I have nothing better to do but I enjoy it. That link is a good read by the way.

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1976 Martinique,350 Omc. 1975 Glastron/Carlson CV16,115 Merc.


Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: July-26-2022 at 11:45am
From very recent experience, I would ad that those little set screws that secure the bearing can be a pita. Many times they need to be drilled out. Then re-tap the 2 holes in a 'plus size'. SS set screws are hardware-store, 
All this easier with the strut off the boat. 


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1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun"

'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!"


Posted By: swilliams
Date Posted: July-26-2022 at 1:20pm
I love to take things apart so when I was under there installing the new prop I thought I’d try to loosen those screws. They are slotted head set screws and I thought these might be troublesome.Nope, loosened easily. Think I’ll get Allen headed set screws as spares though.

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1976 Martinique,350 Omc. 1975 Glastron/Carlson CV16,115 Merc.


Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: July-27-2022 at 12:36pm
When I removed my strut bushing I used a hack saw blade and even a saws all to first cut it as close to the strut as possible to weaken it on both sides and then collapsed it and pulled it out.  No fun at all.  Since then I have seen guys using all thread to make a press to take out the old and install the new bushing.  I think the all thread bolt method would be faster if you have the right pieces available to press it out and then back in.
Most people install the factory type rubber new bushing.   I tried the new Delryn plastic bushing available.  Delryn is used to make hip joints and even used in ball joints on cars so it is very tough stuff.   I only have 100 hours on it so far but it seems to have worked very well.   Guys run the factory type over 1,000 hours so I have no idea if this plastic bushing will last that long.  It does offer near zero drag so that is good.  If you choose to use the Delryn type bushing be aware the set screws need to hold it in place but the plastic is flexible so when you tighten the set screws it collapses the plastic.  I ended up drilling holes in the plastic where the set screw needed to seat and tapping the plastic hole to match the set screw.  On install I put red locktite on the threads so it would not work loose.   Only 100 hours of use but good so far.


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Posted By: swilliams
Date Posted: July-27-2022 at 2:14pm
Mark, I took a look at the Glide brand bearings at General propeller. So I’m assuming yours is similar and would you have tapped into the “meatier” portion of the bearing? Would you have drilled all the way through that area, leaving your set screw short of the bearing surface? I wonder if boat manufacturers are using these in lieu of the rubber/brass bearing? Pricing seems about equal.

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1976 Martinique,350 Omc. 1975 Glastron/Carlson CV16,115 Merc.


Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: July-27-2022 at 3:27pm
I had the strut off my boat, when I bought this boat with only 98 hours on it the strut, shaft and prop were all bent.  With the strut off I did drill all the way through the new strut bearing/bushing and tapped it to match the thread on the strut.  Added the red loctite and installed making sure to not let the threads get close to the running surface inside.   I like the fact that I can spin my prop with 1 finger, no drag in the new strut bearing but again, I can't tell you how long they will last.  Maybe others have used them longer than I have.  Automotive ball joints started using this same technology back around 2004 so I was aware of how well it worked in cars so I tried it.  So far so good.   If I did it again I might use a little film of silicone between the strut and the plastic bearing just to help glue it in place along with the set screws.   

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Posted By: swilliams
Date Posted: August-01-2022 at 12:30pm


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1976 Martinique,350 Omc. 1975 Glastron/Carlson CV16,115 Merc.


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: August-01-2022 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by swilliams swilliams wrote:


Holeeey  ****   congrats

You got a picture posted. Wink

Might need an explanation of how

I won't ask if the boat is upside down Wink


Posted By: swilliams
Date Posted: August-01-2022 at 1:00pm
Well, if I would pay attention to the fact that images cannot be posted from an iPad, then all would be swell. Several conversations with Keith turned on the light in my head. Using my laptop at this point. I am having issues with my Diarie as I cannot preview it. Can't explain the orientation of the pic...just be grateful you can see oneCool

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1976 Martinique,350 Omc. 1975 Glastron/Carlson CV16,115 Merc.


Posted By: swilliams
Date Posted: August-01-2022 at 1:02pm
Now if I could find someone to loan me their Strutpro, I'd change that bearing!

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1976 Martinique,350 Omc. 1975 Glastron/Carlson CV16,115 Merc.



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