Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
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Printed Date: November-17-2024 at 11:01am
Topic: Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
Posted By: Gonne929
Subject: Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
Date Posted: December-30-2006 at 8:16am
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I am thinking of upgrading the intake manifold on my 84 PCM. Is anyone aware of any clearance issues between the engine cover and spark arrestor with the added height of the intake and the carb adapter plate? If so is there a "low rise" arrestor that is available? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4946&sort=&pagenum=2 - 84 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5573&sort=&pagenum=1 - 99 Nautique |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-30-2006 at 9:54am
The Performer will raise the carb about 1.5". Here is a pic of a Performer, Weiand Stealth, and stock intake manifold:
To see if you will have enough clearance with your current flame arrestor, put some clay on the arrestor and close the motor box. That will let you know how much room you have to work with. There are some low profile arrestors out there, but it can be difficult to find one with the fittings you need (1/4" fuel line and 5/8" breather). They do exist, though. Another option would be to reduce the height of the carb spacer. If needed, I may replace the 1" stock spacer with a 1/2". You would just need to plumb a fitting in for your PCV line. Or, if the engine box doesnt shut, you can just prop it open with a piece of wood. Lots of options!  ------------- |
Posted By: Gonne929
Date Posted: December-31-2006 at 8:41am
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Awesome. Thanks for the info. I was thinking of using clay/putty. Which intake are you running the Edelbrock or the Weiand? Any preference? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4946&sort=&pagenum=2 - 84 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5573&sort=&pagenum=1 - 99 Nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-31-2006 at 12:20pm
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Im running the Weiand. Its a little more aggressive and reportedly has better midrange power. I never installed the Performer, so I cant give a first hand comparison. Im very happy with the Weiand, but there are many here who run the Performer and have seen a nice improvement. ------------- |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: December-31-2006 at 3:16pm
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put me down on the list of Edelbrock owners,gobs of torque,and a good steady 400 rpm idle.My stroker was built for low to midrange,thus the Edelbrock .If you are going to rev the motor,4000 and above i would look at something else............ boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 83SN2001
Date Posted: December-31-2006 at 9:26pm
| TRBenj, how does the boat run out of the hole with the spacer on the aftermarket intake? I have the edelbrock but left the spacer off. By the way, I took my arrestor apart and cut 1/2 inch off with a dremel tool a rea$$embled. |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-01-2007 at 3:34am
I have a weiand also,great midrange punch and top end power. I had to put on a low profile flame arrestor that is about 3in high.
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-01-2007 at 3:08pm
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83, I have no driveability issues with the manifold/spacer. Even with my more aggressive cam, it idles at 600 RPM and does not stumble out of the hole.
MM, I notice you have the PCV plumbed into the manifold itself- any issues with that cylinder running lean? Any issues with your throttle cable binding? I raised the bracket so it mounts closer to horizontal.  ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-01-2007 at 7:17pm
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MM; Nice lookin' motor. I am always jealous of you guys that can actualy work on these boats. I don't think I will ever get back the "oil-change" level.
Hope you and Blondie had a great New Years. Where's the pics? john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-02-2007 at 3:18am
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jbear..New years was great, Im going to post some pics under(happy new years) an intake and a motor dress up kit and yours can look just as good, check out (summit)
TRBenj...no it dont run lean. I think I do need a new cable, and i need to get rid of oil cap and put the hose back on! I have a new holley 130gph fuel pump and I want to put a K&N flame arrestor,and a air vent handel, and a 750 double pumper(mech secondary) a good way to bolt on 30hp! 
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Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-02-2007 at 9:32pm
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MM; Saw the pics. Nice party. Looks as tho Blondie had fun.
"Summit"....is that a parts place? john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-02-2007 at 10:50pm
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[QUOTE=jbear]
"Summit"....is that a parts place? Yeah..its not just a parts place, its the candy store of parts! Give it a look(summitracing.com) |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-02-2007 at 11:22pm
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Wow...unbelieveable! You guys who know what you are lookin' for must love that site. Looks like you could spend some money there. Thanks.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-03-2007 at 8:15am
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Jbear, Summit has just about anything you could ever want and their prices are usually the best around. Ive had good experiences with them.
MM, Im a little confused- why the big power gain with increased fuel flow? Are you currently running lean? Ive asked here before about the vacuum vs. mechanical secondaries and the resounding preference was for vacuum. Can you give us any insight? ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-03-2007 at 11:40pm
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Tim: Been lookin' at that website. Wow lots of stuff there I know nothing about. Quess a guy could spend some money there. Like 62wood says, ya just gotta go ahead and try. I am just always scared to take anything apart on my boat. I have been pretty lucky, all the boats I've had and I've never had to do much on them execpt the oil. On the other hand, after all these boats you'd think I would know how to do something by now.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-03-2007 at 11:46pm
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TRB...Why are you running that spacer? my motor dont run lean at all,it runs great! The PCV is to relieve block pressure, the higher the RPMs the more pressure you will have! On a stock motor a 600cfm carb is fine, the vacuum secondaries open slower, then the mechanical secondaries and the 750 has more CFM. CFM is
(cubic foot per-min) of air-fuel mix. The 750 will give you more acceleration and top-end horsepower My boat runs 53-mph with a stock, cam , heads and prop. At this time next year I will have it running 60mph, thats my goal. |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 12:11am
| Jbear..have the catalog sent to you anyway, its much better to look at the book, if you need help with anything just let me know. But if you are going to get an intake, for your boat and the fact that your a footer I would go with the performer for better pulling power. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 8:08am
MM, Im not concerned about your motor running lean in general- I have been told that plumbing the PCV directly to the manifold may cause that one cylinder (looks like youre tapped into #4) will run leaner than the rest. Have you ever done a plug check? If you dont like how fast your secondaries are opening, why not switch out the power valve? Im using a 7.5 and it opens at the same point as stock (with the 6.5). Not sure where the advantage of a double pumper comes in for a ski boat. I would think a 600 CFM carb would be more than sufficient for a 351w unless you stroke it. According to this http://www.csgnetwork.com/cfmcalc.html - carburetor CFM calculator (and others like it), even a motor with 100% volumetric efficiency will only need more than 600 CFM if you run past 5900 RPM. At a more realistic 92% VE, you can run up to 6400 RPM before you need a bigger carb. If I were to get a new carb, Id go 750 too- it sure wouldnt hurt anything. I would think that gaining 30 hp from the swap would be unrealistic, though. ------------- |
MaddMarxx wrote:Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 9:07am
I concur, especially with stock heads and cam. BTW the PV has no effect on the actuation of the secondaries, one needs to change the diaphram spring. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 9:47am
That'll teach me to post before having my morning coffee. Not sure what I was thinking, as the PV is on the primary side. Thanks for the correction! ------------- |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 12:44pm
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good luck with the 60 mph. stock 351 and 53 mph in a SN please blow smoke up someone elses a$$.
Why remove the spacer,, another stupid idea, it's not for the PVC it's to add horse power by means of better fuel atomization before entering the cylinder. oh well, if you added a larger carb and did not change anything else your not realy doing anything, unless it was already undersized to start with, 30 hp increase a little far fetched because your not flowing anymore gas thru the cylinders, cam lift hasn't changed or the duration or the piston size or the valve size. Your ideas on HP gains are far fetched bullsh*t most of the time. this being one of them. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 91nautique
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 1:38pm
Translates to--- Leave the 600 where it is-post more pics of blondgirl-beer and boats |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 4:43pm
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I never said my motor was stock , just the cam and heads are right now, but not for long..
Dont you have some parts to to mail off or something?? |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 4:54pm
Obviously youve got the Stealth and an newer Mallory distributor... you hiding anything good under those valve covers? ------------- |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 5:35pm
| yeah...It has .40 over flat tops,high volume oil pump,roller chain, roller rockers,all ARP bolts to name a few. And soon it will have a roller cam and lifters along with new heads. |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 8:14pm
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Mark, guess who's back?????? was kinda quiet, there for a while i thought he lost intrest in all us dummies............ boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 8:30pm
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MM, how are you converting to roller?
What type of roller rockers? I have some 1.6 pedestal mount FRPP RR's that Ill be putting on this spring. I also picked up some valve covers much like yours- I a$$ume the RR's fit under them without any issues? ------------- |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-04-2007 at 10:14pm
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Tim, my money says the RRs will fit under those vc's, as we just put a set of FRPP 1.7's on a 302 with lower old style vc's. But after installing them and conferring with several real motor heads, I think my money may have been spent elsewhere in terms of HP on a 5200rpm engine, but I got swayed by the add'l lift of the 1.7 vs stock 1.6 ratio, FWIW.
MM, while 60 is a lofty goal, I think it's reachable, but with something approaching 400 HP I'd bet. But a nice cam and alum heads (or equiv irons) along with what you already have will get you close. I'm working towards that same plateau so keep a look in your mirror. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 3:44am
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reidp...I agree with you on everthing you said! I have the (ford racing RR) also, I love that clatter sound they make at high RPM. They are just like the the Crane energizers. I kinda like the (pro-comp) alum heads, I dont know what cam I want yet. 400hp sounds about right and if that dont do it, a set of hi-teks will ice the cake..
boat dr...The quiet was nice..but you know..all good things come to an end.. 
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Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 3:55am
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One thing to keep in mind is that our ski boats are not designed for high speeds. They are instead designed for pulling and tracking a straight course through the slalom buoys. They do a great job at this but at the sacrifice of speed. Even the barefoot boats which come equiped with big block engines just barely break 50 MPH. If you are going to try to get 60 MPH out of your boat you will probably need more than engine mods. With your mods you'll be able to yank the tow rope out of king kong's hands but your boat will still only run about 46 to 50 tops. And that's with everything just right. Just my 2 cents. ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 4:41am
Hey nutty..tell that to this guy his boat runs 74mph on (NOS) and about 63or64 without..
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Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 6:52am
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obviously you havn't been in a CC when it becomes unglued at high speed. Thats right these boats are not saintly. It is very violent and if you screw around at those speeds you better be the only one in the boat so you don't take someone with you. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 8:31am
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GottaSki,
Curious what you are referring too or what experience you may have had or witnessed, an issue with the motor, hull, water conditions or something else that would cause such a catastrophic failure? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 8:50am
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I'm not a naval architect, but I would think the 81 and earlier hulls would be more capable of 60 mph than later hulls. Once the hulls started intoducing spray relief pockets and reverse chines to knock down spray, and to drive the nose down for flatter wakes, then I would think you've greatly limited the hulls capacity for speed. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 9:06am
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I believe it was an '84 2001, 425HP 454. Upon returning home from footing the driver pretty much paralleled a wake from the boat ahead of us, crossing gentlty to the other side of this boat, we were about 200 yards back. Our boat was running high forties, maybe fifty when it after a slight bow rise and drop was induced from the wake cross, it abruptly spun, swapping ends faster then one can do with steering inputs. the boat rocked up high on its gunnel as it settled, must have thrown up quite a wall of water. The decel was violent, One pa$$enger flew out wildly, he dove after hitting the water. I was stuffed up under the dash, the driver had to pull me out. IF overturned I likely wouldn't have been located in time. Aside from the extra speed, there was no horseplay. The manuever was not beyond what one would do parelleling boat wakes when pulling a footer, to extend the run, but a little hotter than most footing speeds. The rudder and steering were checked, no malfuction, could have been rudder stall, but maybe too much of the bow hit water and it combined with a little steering input and it became unstable..beyond the science, it was unpleasant and without warning. It will cure one of showing off for pa$$engers. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 9:22am
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Okay, I don't mean to start an argument here but I would think that if you want to go fast it would be cheaper and take a lot less horsepower to start out with a boat that is designed to go these speeds. Say like a ba$$ boat or something like a Checkmate (if you know what that is) will easily run 70 MPH with 200 HP. Then you can use the extra money you save (because ski boats usually sell for more) to buy the gas to go that fast. I'm not saying that it's impossible to get 60 - 70 MPH from a ski boat. The point I'm trying to make is that if you want to go that fast why not get a boat that is made to do that and leave the ski boats to us skiers. ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 10:17am
Nutty, I see your point but I have to disagree. Some of us are skiers AND like to go fast. Having a CC that can push 50 or even 60 doesnt detract from its ability to pull skiers. In fact a faster boat will usually have a much better holeshot, hold speed better and pull more barefooters (or one barefooter at a higher speed). Many upgraded engine parts are made out of aluminum or stainless steel, which are much lighter than their stock cast iron counterparts. Making the engine more powerful usually involves making it more efficient- meaning fuel efficiency may be improved as well. Obviously if speed were the only goal another hull would be a better starting point. The advantage to having a fast CC is that it does everything a stock CC can do, but it does it a little better. Plus, improving your CC is fun. Whats the harm? ------------- |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 11:20am
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Gotta,
That would have shaken me up too, I've never seen or heard of that happening. Are you saying the bow dug into the water causing the boat to 180? Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 2:15pm
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Yes, That is what I suspect, but hard to be sure, I was facing rearward. With the thrust well behind the center of ma$$, and some extra drag on the bow, I think its plausible. Once the boat and its vector gets out of sorts a few degrees, I think its unrecoverable, somewhat like a forward swept wing. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 5:52pm
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Kawasaki had a hull design flaw in their 1996 zxi1100 watercraft.It could turn violently to the right180 degrees without warning on perfectly smooth water at speeds over 50 mph,or while crossing a wake at less than desireable angles.They applied a fix that consisted of the dealer bonding a molded part to the front of the hull to change the shape,and 97 models were redesigned with this change in affect.Not a ski boat,but food for thought.These watercraft exhibited NO ill handling at slower speeds. Worst part of this story is that those jet skis would go almost 60 in stock form,so you didn't even have to go looking for trouble to find it. Be careful.I doubt running 5-8 mph faster than stock will harm you,but start pushing +15 mph and you got to start asking yourself if it's really worth it.
Just my opinion Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 6:17pm
We can't even get our boat to 40 mph! ------------- |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 6:26pm
Leave one of the coolers and a couple of the girls on the dock and you should be fine  BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 6:31pm
Hw, We need to check that rig out this spring, something bigtime wrong there. I think you have about 1000 hours right, may be time for a timing chain. I had 800 hours on a MC and it slowly started losing power(couldn't even hold speed with 1 barefooter), talked to PCM, they said put a new chain on it and it ran like brand new til I sold it a few years later. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 7:31pm
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Gottaski- My Dad back in the day used to have a Chris Craft with a straight 6 in it.I remember him talking about what they called speed turns, where they would throw the wheel over,the bow then taking a nose dive and the prop then walking over the surface of the water spinning you around. Of course back then they couldn't go very fast to begin with 100 hp or so and a wooden boat.I'll bet thats what you guy's did unknowingly, good to hear everyone was ok. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 8:49pm
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Gary, I used to have an old Chris Craft. It was a 1959 Capri model and it came stock with a 283 Chevy engine. Of course I re-powered it though with a freshly rebuilt 327. It would do exactly what you are talking about in your post above. That was before they started putting fins on the bottom. This boat was also very flat on the bottom compared to boats built now days (in the past 20 years at least). It was fun doing these power turns and usually resulted in the person setting in the pa$$enger set getting really soaked. I can also get my Ski Centurion to do the same but it takes a lot more effort. I think I've heard some folks refer to this as a boom-a-rang. ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 9:06pm
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Hey TRBenj, Please don't misunderstand me. I am not opposed to modifications at all. I like to mod my engines as well to make them run more efficient and get a little more power. As a matter of fact, I have a set of re-worked GT-40P heads and a cam and intake ready to go on my Ski Centurion (351W Indmar). I figure these mods should be good for about 300 - 315 horses and possibly 46 MPH. If I can pull ahead of the guy in the boat next to me, that's great but I'm not going to race it. The mods that most people talk about on this site are all fine. But I'd stay away from things like nitrous. I think that's just going overboard but that's me. ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 9:14pm
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I echo BKHs point, and while I'm no naval arch either, I do have a degree in architecture but I still have a crappy boathouse.
Along the lines of speed though I also see the 81 model year cut-off in regards to highest speed potential in terms of practicality, and for mainly the reasons he mentioned in addition to wider beams and more weight. Of course you can make ANY of them go faster, and I'd be trying, it'll just take exponentially more HP to do it with the newer boats, evidenced partly by the fact that it takes 330+/- HP to get the same speed in a new boat that an older boat got with 250HP. Run a new boat along side a vintage hull and notice the higher ride angle and add'l hull out of the water in the older boat. And also notice the way it bruises your kidneys at the helm and jars your knees crossing the wake, but that's a different, non-debatable sidebar. There's just more easily obtainable speed, but I've always wanted whatever boat I had to run a little faster or a little faster than the other guy with the same boat. Good and valid points TRBenj(Tim). As for adding speed to a ski boat I too would have to take nutty to task. Would you call Ford ridiculous for selling the popular Lightning pickups, or GM for offering a 400HP LS-1 Trail Blazer? They weren't originally intended for higher speeds. And while you may justifiably say they've been engineered to handle the extra HP, I don't think that an extra 5-10 mph in a CC is pushing the envelope for an experienced operator. We're talking fun and personal enjoyment here, and it's my personal opinion that riding in or driving someone's 70 mph ba$$boat or 70 mph Donzi, DOESN'T nearly compare to the thrill of running a Correct Craft inboard at 55-60 mph with open exhaust. I go to bed almost everynight dreaming of a ride in Bill Burgess' (SS-201) boat posted my MaddMarx above, but then I do have a disease. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 9:15pm
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Hey MaddMarxx, where did you find that
Delco 12si alternator. What amperage rating is it and how much did it cost? ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-05-2007 at 11:53pm
I got it at place in Orlando called (TRS) I think it is 75amps, and I paid $75, the guy will make any amperage you want! reid..well said. |
Posted By: Munday
Date Posted: January-09-2007 at 8:45pm
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Riedp make me smile, contractor's have stinky boat houses too.Inside is good right?I'm with you on speed is fun,you don't wanna get out run
by same type boats. My Dad and group called that problem swapping ends not speed turns.Whar happened to them was repowered old century like a 56 16' with 327 about 1966=68 since the shaft angle was so steep the extra hp lifted the rear till the prop would across the surface,violent spin.Problem was solved with a single center fin.I remember watching them drink a case of beer talkin about where to mount it. I think a 79 SN type hull would run in to the seventies and wouldn't it be a hoot out of the corners. Munday |
Posted By: huey
Date Posted: January-18-2007 at 2:27pm
| To all you speed freaks out there, I just shake my head and say "Natural selection" |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-18-2007 at 10:22pm
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So if I understand you correctly Huey, what you're saying is that like with the synonymous "Survival of the Fittest" thing, the speed freaks will inherit the boating world based on an inherent ability to lead the pack and thus increase their chances of prolonged survival. Good point and thanks, as I never thought of it that way. I must get back to making more HP. But I think you meant to say you "nod" your head. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-19-2007 at 2:21am
| Look at it like this, the cooler is on the dock with the last beer in it, who ever has the fastest boat gets it... |
Posted By: huey
Date Posted: January-19-2007 at 8:57am
Ya, that's what I meant 
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Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-19-2007 at 11:22pm
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I'll split that last beer with you Mark. Hopefully it's a 40. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-19-2007 at 11:31pm
| A 40 it is..reid..Are you still going to come down for the seaworld show? I was told it was pushed back to October for this year, thats good for me b/c I need more time to get my boat in shape.. |
Posted By: JR_VIC
Date Posted: January-20-2007 at 3:30pm
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I have one for sale in great condition with the carb adapter. $100 shipped.
Thanks!  ------------- "That's not a Snow Cone that's my Ring!" |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-20-2007 at 10:09pm
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MM; Can I use this for my 351? Remember we were talking about something like this a couple weeks ago when you suggested Summit. But it looks like this might be what I need. Would I need anything else to make this work? Go easy on me now, you guys know I never go under my motor box.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: nautiquefanatic
Date Posted: January-20-2007 at 10:14pm
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JR_VIC
I think I need this intake, will you email or call me with a phone number. Thanks PC (980)581-0006 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3448" rel="nofollow - 1973 Ski Nautique http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=830" rel="nofollow - 1979 Barefoot Nautique |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 4:13am
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Anyone looking for an intake? I have a Typhoon by Professional Products. Part # is 54023. It fits 351W's. I also have a newly rebuilt pair of GT40P heads. They have stainless valves, teflon seals and Crane valve springs. Bolt holes have been drilled to 1/2" for use on 351's and they have screw in rocker studs and pushrod guide plates. They were rebuilt by a very meticulous machinist who also rebuilds aircrafts. I also have 2 camshafts (performance), a set of Rhoads lifters, An SA Gear True Roller timing set, a set of roller tip rocker arms and a set of slightly used Keith Black Silvolite Hypereutectic pistons. All of the above is for a 351W. I am selling my Ski Centurion because I bought a 1995 Malibu w/350 Merc Chevy based engine. So I don't need these Ford parts anymore. I will sell pieces or I will sell the whole collection of parts. Everything is new except the pistons and heads (heads have all new parts). I'll be glad to provide more details about any parts. Right now everything is boxed up and in storage but I can get to it in a couple of days. ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 9:15am
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Nutty, Can you send me an email with specs onthe cams, I may be interested in some of these parts if the price is right. Just started tearing my motor down to install some gt40p heads yesterday. Thanks
mailto:acote13@yahoo.com - email ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 11:36am
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Jbear...that intake would work good for you but it sounds like nautiquefanatic wants that one, you should talk to nutty about the typhoon thats the intake "79" is always talking about its very close to the same thing, and I think he said it was new.
Nutty..I am interested in gt40p heads and maybe some of the other parts..thanks mark (321)231-6041...anytime.. |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 12:12pm
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Guys, there are two good 351W intakes about to time out on ebay in the next few hours if JrVic's and Nutty's are gobbled up. There are others there as well.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EDELBROCK-PERFORMER-RPM-FORD-INTAKE-351-WINSOR-NICE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36474QQihZ013QQitemZ230078533475QQrdZ1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-351-W-WEIAND-STEALTH-ALUMINUM-INTAKE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQihZ001QQitemZ110079439992QQrdZ1 ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 12:13pm
Looks to me like JBear asked first. MM is right, that intake will bolt right up to the '80. ------------- |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 1:51pm
A quick glance back to the subject of the whole speed thing from the past weeks/month, I just happened to look back in the REFERENCE SECTION and noticed these forgotten but very poignant and descriptive sales brochure headings. What kind of boats were these? Any questions?
 ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 1:56pm
| They were the hot boat back in the day, when the biggest outboard was a 75 hp Johnson or maybe an 85 merc, and the IO's were 4 cyl Volvos with Webber carbs that didn't run half the time. |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 2:28pm
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Right on Riley. "Hot" had a lot to do with speed as they were just about the fastest production, non-race type boats available, but also the attitude that they exemplified. Even today, and of course I'm quite biased, but as other owners here will attest, you when pull a clean vintage CC up to a crowded dock, the attention quickly swings from the modern "hot" boats. That's practically the foundation behind the love for cla$$ic boating. I really wish there was a market for and that Correct Craft still produced a Speedboat. But I don't doubt that when I'm 70 years old that I won't be hunting for a CLa$$IC orange hulled '03 GT-40 SN. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 2:42pm
| I grew up summers on a big lake. Only the wealthy people had boats like that back then, (1950-1960s). I drove my first inboard in 1963, a new 17' Resorter, a friend of my father's. I grew up dreaming of Correct Crafts. We got a 67 Barracuda in 1970 and kept it until 1980. What I wouldn't do to get that boat back. |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 8:07pm
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Vic; I am interested in the manifold. If you have already promised it to Paul I guess it is my loss. Sorry for the delay; Sunday is real busy around here and I just got on. Shoot me an e-mail with your number if it is still avaible. E-mail is in my profile. Thanks.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: JR_VIC
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 9:34pm
Hey nutty...please e-mail your number right away as I was planning on buying a cam next week along with lifters and roller rockers. Heck I may even be interested in the heads and pistons as a package deal. Please contact me as soon as possible because I am ready to buy. E-mail address is in my profile. Thanks! ------------- "That's not a Snow Cone that's my Ring!" |
Posted By: JR_VIC
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 9:41pm
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nautiquefanatic...I have this same intake posted on planetnautique as well and had a PM sent Saturday afternoon before you posted here. I gave him untill Monday AM to buy it and he already sent a PM stating he was going to Paypal me the funds. If that deal falls thru it is yours. I'll let you know on Monday.
Thanks! ------------- "That's not a Snow Cone that's my Ring!" |
Posted By: nautiquefanatic
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 9:54pm
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JR_VIC.....I want it...BUT, it does look like jbear inquired first, so let him have it if he wants it. If the deal falls through with either person......I will pay you instantly with paypal.
I didn't mean to jump in front of jbear!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3448" rel="nofollow - 1973 Ski Nautique http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=830" rel="nofollow - 1979 Barefoot Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-21-2007 at 10:36pm
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Paul: That is very fair of you. Thanks.
Vic: I will take it if your other falls thru. Shoot me a e-mail on monday with a phone number, I'll call ya and send a check. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: JR_VIC
Date Posted: January-22-2007 at 10:25am
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Sorry nautiquefanatic and Jbear the original buyer from PN paid with Paypal last night so the intake is sold.
Thanks! ------------- "That's not a Snow Cone that's my Ring!" |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: January-22-2007 at 5:02pm
if it was 54022 (polish) or 54024 (chrome) I would be all over it. But it is a great intake regardless with a lot of features others don't have and would be great for jbears or anyone else's 351w motor ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-22-2007 at 7:49pm
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Nutty: Looks like I lost out on the other manifold. Is the Typhoon still avalible? How much?
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-23-2007 at 2:56am
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Jbear, I think I paid about $135.00 + shipping for this manifold a little more than a year ago. It is bran new, still in the box. Yes it is still available. I tried to research the current going price. There's one listed on e-bay right now for 135.99 plus 20.50 for shipping. I'll let this one go for 115.00 plus shipping (exact shipping cost that is - I won't triy to make up the loss by overcharging for shipping like most e-bay sellers do. My number is 480-365-8989. Give me a call tomorrow anytime. Brian ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-23-2007 at 9:24am
JBear, have you measured how much motor box clearance you have? I suggest you know how much room you have to work with before you decide on a manifold. There are a few low profile flame arrestors out there if you need to gain some clearance, but they can be tough to find with the proper fittings. The Performer is only 1.5" taller than stock- not sure how the other ones compare. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-23-2007 at 11:05am
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jbear, shoot first ask questions later!
If it doesn't fit and you get cold feet I'm first on the list! ------------- |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: January-23-2007 at 11:16am
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just because Timmy's annal about flame arrestors doesn't mean everyone else should be. The arrestor isn't an issue and is an easy fix if it needs to be shortened. I'm pretty sure that the professionel products is the same as the Edlebrock. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-23-2007 at 11:26am
Jbear...I agree with Hollywood, pull the triger and get it, and move on to your valve covers, so when Reid comes down for the race, maybe we can all meet at my house, and install your new parts, and drink some brews and BBQ.. 
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: January-23-2007 at 11:41am
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john the professionel products intake does sit about an 1" higher than the edlebrock so you will need to use a shorter flame arrestor than you have now. Just look at what you have now, determend how much clearnce you currently have, then that will let you know if you need a new one or not. Regardless you should be able to cut the lower section of the arrestor off to get it to work no big deal. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-23-2007 at 5:26pm
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Hey Jbear, send me an e-mail with your shipping address to nuttyskier2002@yahoo.com. ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-23-2007 at 8:49pm
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Nutty: Just went to pay-pal and sent your funds. Thanks again
Thanks to all you guys who encouraged me. But especially MM who has already agreed to help me get this manifold on. This should be fun, you guys know I am a guy who never goes under the motor cover. Don't worry, I'll keep ya all informed how it turns out. john ps to 79; Did you get my phone message? ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-24-2007 at 4:54pm
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Jbear, your manifold is on its way. I sent you an e-mail with the tracking #. Keep us all posted on how the install goes and good luck. ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: January-24-2007 at 5:17pm
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Jbear
When you bust the first knuckle wipe some blood on the motor & your in the "club". Actually it’s therapeutic to “wrench” and it keeps me happily married ! Congratulations !!! ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-24-2007 at 9:34pm
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waterdog: I have never attempted something like this manifold job. But fortunatly MM called and offered to help. Added bonus: I get to meet Blondiegurl. So this should be fun and maybe I'll learn a little something. And I won't have to be embarresed when ReidP or 79 look under my motor box.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-25-2007 at 8:43am
| Jbear, call me when this manifold swap happens. I just love to do that stuff. I would also like to meet you guys and be able to see the '80. My cell is 407-733-3599. |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: January-25-2007 at 11:34am
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Jbear
You've got lots of good help! In a couple of hours of wrenchin' you can say "I" swaped intakes. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-25-2007 at 4:49pm
jbear, do you keep a hair brush in your tool box?  ------------- |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: January-25-2007 at 7:32pm
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you guys are bustin jbear's balls prety hard.
Jbear don't let them get you down, the 87 is all stock right now. Next winter will be a different story. This year stringers, floor, and gel coat repair by Eric. Next winter motor mods and comsmetics. Oh yeah spelling was never my strong point in school. Was a gear head since age 3. ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-25-2007 at 10:31pm
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Backfoot; We are gonna do the manifold, thanks to MM, at his place in Orlando on Feb 17. The famous ReidP is gonna be there. Heard from him tonite to confirm this. You can ride over there with me if you want.
Kevin; I really do have tools in my box, just don't know how to use 'em. But you know I have hair spray, a brush and a comb in the box. But I try not to get my hair wet. Waterdog; Thanks to all that good help I'll get this job done. Couldn't do it on my own! Bfn; You gotta have big shoulders on here sometimes. I can take the ball bustin' from my buddies here. Is the Eric from this site doin' all this work for you? Are you a Ford millwright? I always heard millwrights knew how to do everything. Funny coincidence, I went to high school (long ago) with a Jim Bragg. Think that should about cover it. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: January-25-2007 at 11:42pm
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John, I might be down there by then, might have to tag along if you guy's don't mind. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: nuttyskier2002
Date Posted: January-26-2007 at 1:27am
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Sometimes I wish I still lived in FL. Sounds like you guys are going to have a blast. Jbear did you get my e-mail about your tracking #? Aren't you glad you used paypal now so the manifold could get to ya sooner? Payment was almost instant. I put the money to a good cause. I bought a Weiand action plus manifold for my Malibu 350 Mag (the one I'm getting the Vortec heads ready for). By the way, for anyone who does not know, anyone with a paypal account can send money to anyone else with a paypal account just by using their e-mail address. ------------- 95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: January-26-2007 at 11:23am
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Nutty...Thanks for helping jbear out, I think he will be better off with a new intake over the older one! Good luck with your new boat, I hope it works out well for you..Thank you
79..BACKFOOT..You guys are welcome to head over also, that way jbear and I can sit back and drink some cold ones and let you guys do all the work.. 
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: January-26-2007 at 11:39am
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Max thought the whole purpose was to crisson John to the ways of a mechanic? He won't learn much if we do it all for him, I was just planning on handing out cold pop's, aka BEER ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-26-2007 at 11:42am
Geez, by the time all you guys get into that engine, the '80 could be runnin' close to 400HP. LOL. Anyway, I just want to meet everybody and if we have a few cold ones, that's even better. I'm not too familiar with Ford's anyway. That's a four letter word to me. 
Jbear, I just need to know how to get to your place and a time. I'll email you for more specifics. |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: January-26-2007 at 5:04pm
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"Couldn't do it on my own!" B.S. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: January-26-2007 at 5:12pm
Yeah, that JBear is a regular Huck Finn, isn't he? BKH------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-26-2007 at 6:06pm
If anyone wants to test this out my email is acote13@yahoo.com Glad I could help out ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |