paint shaver pro . is it worth the $
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Topic: paint shaver pro . is it worth the $
Posted By: farmer
Subject: paint shaver pro . is it worth the $
Date Posted: December-30-2006 at 10:53am
| Has anyone used a paint shaver pro to remove gelcoat. It looks good but is it worth the money? $700 for everything Farmer |
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Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: December-30-2006 at 11:14am
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Farmer,
Not familiar with that device. I would think carefully about DavidF's advise. He's done an awful lot of this with very good results. On a side note, my neighbor was a body man for 20 years. Specialized in Corvettes. He did a 98 Air Nautique which had been run up on the rocks in Tahoe. He used the tools of his trade (DAs, plane sanders, etc.) and also got good results. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-30-2006 at 11:40am
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Farmer, if you were going to do that for a living its probably recomendable, for one time use i dont think it would justify the cost. a good air type low rpm grinder is what we use to strip corvettes and thick paint. even if you bought rolls and rolls of 36 grit and a good DA (hutchins) it wouldnt equal the 7 beans for the shaver, plus a DA always comes in handy. Eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-03-2007 at 11:27am
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The only tool I'm familiar with is the Porter Cable 7403 which is basicly a rotary sander that was designed to remove paint from bevel or drop siding on houses. It has wheels on it so it depth of removal can be controled. Is this the tool you are reffering to? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: January-03-2007 at 7:18pm
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No,the tool I'm talking about is sold by American International Tool industries and is called "paint shaver pro" or "marine shaver pro" same tool, just a different use. This one uses carbide bits(3) to do the cutting.Nice tool but it is pretty expensive. I'm in the process of designing my own version with the help of a neighborhood "mechanical genious". Should be fun. Here's the web address:
http://www.paintshaver.com/marineshaver.html They have a good video that shows the tool in use. Farmer |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-22-2007 at 7:33pm
| Just finished the tool today.Don't know how well it works yet but I will try it as soon as the weather cooperates.I'll post some pictures of it if I can ever get my camera back from my son! Farmer |
Posted By: SkiBum
Date Posted: February-22-2007 at 9:44pm
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I just learned figured out that I could put a resin backing pad on my electric grinder and use sanding disks. A 36 grit disk chews through gelcote with a quickness. Takes a delicate touch then followup with an orbital sander (and bondo in some places). But costs about 15 bucks. I am sure the paint shaver pro is a much better way to do things. ------------- Bill http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks - http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks 1987 SN Rebuild Project |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-23-2007 at 7:18am
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I use a rotaty air not orbital, with a 10 inch or so adhesive, it works beautifully on removing, shaping and so on, it works well on wood also,
farmer that must be some type of planer? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: February-23-2007 at 9:38am
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I must say that video on the site looks like magic, at least on the flat areas. Farmer let us know how it works, and what your weekly rental rate for your good friends here at CCF will be. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-24-2007 at 8:42pm
Here are some pictures of my home made gelcoat remover.It took about two hours to strip the bottom of my mustang 17 but there is still a lot of finish work to do as seen in the picture of the boat bottom. Farmer
the picture of the bottom makes it look smoother than it actually is but not bad. |
Posted By: SkiBum
Date Posted: February-24-2007 at 9:59pm
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That is pretty awesome. The right tool really makes a big difference. I spent an hour grinding then sanding to get a 3ft by 6ft section of my boat. You have a patent on that thing? ------------- Bill http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks - http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks 1987 SN Rebuild Project |
Posted By: 2_Nautiques
Date Posted: February-24-2007 at 11:20pm
That picture of the mustang just freaks me out I know that the end result will look great, just at this stage it's scary. Farmer, I get tired just looking at all that work, Good Luck Keep the pics coming, I love to watch the progress.------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1160" rel="nofollow - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 8:46am
| The tool I got the idea from is patented but it is much more refined and I'm sure works better than mine does.This one is good but I kept making grooves on the exposed fibergla$$ from the previous pa$$.You can see the head of a bolt in the lower right of the first picture that I added after I was almost done.It helped but I'd have to try something a little better if I was going to use this thing all the time. JoeinNY was right.It only works on flat or gently convex areas.I don't think it will work at all on the sides of the mustang. Farmer |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 8:51am
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Looks like if you added a couple more screws it would help with the depth control, nice job saved you a bunch of time. Keep us posted. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 8:58am
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Wow, I agree, that is a scary lookin picture!
Looks like lotsa work. BTW: what is that ugly looking white stuff along the driveway? Looks nasty as well. john PS to 79: See you at the ramp. ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 9:54am
| jbear,winter gives us time to work on our boats and not feel bad that we're not out on the water. farmer |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 10:39am
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Gary we'll let you know how the water was later today, mid to upper 70's and John's new hot rod should be fun. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 2_Nautiques
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 11:14am
Farmer, nice job making the tool, Good ole Yankee Ingenuity I don't know how you guy down south do it. I use the winter to get caught up on all my "Honey Dos" before I get the boats out. Once the boats are out, no more "honey dos" ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1160" rel="nofollow - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 12:33pm
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hey farmer 2 hours to strip..........20000 to paint lol eric nice job ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 4:13pm
| Why is everybody always trying to rain on my parade? Farmer |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 6:47pm
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cool thing to do!!!....pretty neat tool
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 7:08pm
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Farmer, what's next? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-25-2007 at 8:12pm
| I am taking off the gel only to the waterline.The rest of the gel should clean up much nicer than I could do with my limited talent.My plan is to build coats of epoxy starting with CPES and finishing with epoxy mixed with thickeners to fair the surface.I have a friend with a spray booth who will shoot the epoxy with awlgrip or something similar. No more blisters.I will hide most of the seam under the stripe along the side.Does anyone see any problems with this plan? I am open to suggestions. Farmer |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 8:20am
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If your going to paint it and not use gel-kote then you won't have any blisters again, but if you spray gel-kote back on then you might get blisters again at some point. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 8:56am
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Im not a big fan of Gel coat either, Gel coat has a purpose, it is used as a mold release when the hull is manufactured.
they make amazing products to paint boats, my first choice would be base coat clear coat,The clears nowadays have UV protecters in it and holds up well. anything that says marine on it is twice the price for the same product. Allgrip great but so is the price, Imron is also very durable..... anyone else?.... ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 9:07am
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Eric, I gotta go with the Imron,have one white and one yellow. The yellow is ten years old and still shines and looks as good as day one, and has had a lot of salt water time.
The down side about that stuff is it's bad ,or should I say not "GREEN".Harmful to anything that eats,breaths or walks, but any two part epoxy coatings are......boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 9:19am
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alot also depends what the owner wants and how he will take care of the boat over the next 10 or so years.. im with you for durability BD i would use the Imron.
For looks i would go bc/cc, that gives you the oppertunity to stripe her and clear over decals if any. remember there are cheap clears and good clears. cars hold up well in the sun as will a boat I vote no on the gel coat ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 9:23am
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Farmer, Since you are putting on the CPES and thickened epoxy the chances of getting blistering are slim if you put the gel back on. Since you are coating with the epoxy, check into the barrier coat addatives. In the WEST system, it's their # 422. I'm going to lean towards putting the gel back on.
Great job so far. Love how you made the removal tool with the angle grinder! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 9:48am
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Anytime i see that word West i think get out the checkbook ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 6:27pm
| I was thinking of having a sign painter do the stripe and lettering.Can I clear coat over the entire side including the remaining gelcoat? |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 7:44pm
that's not true, it will have no barring what so ever whether it will blister or not. Blistering is all in the gel-kote and has nothing to do with the fibergla$$ underneth (sp) it. Water will pa$$ thru the gel and gets' stopped by the fibergla$$ and if it cannot pa$$ back thru the gel-kote then it will blister again. Not trying to be a prick or anything that's just how blisters occur and it can occur on any boat at any time, makes no difference of the material used or processed used to apply the gel-kote. Your best defense is keeping the hull clean and free of wax and not letting it sit in the water for extended periods of time and if you do leave it in the water for extended periods you really need to scrub the hull often to keep it clean from scum and algee that could trap water in the gel-kote. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
8122pbrainard wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 8:07pm
quick question...i know a few people down here on my lake had their entire nautiques re gel koted, different colors some same etc...i never knew you could paint the whole boat...is paint a lot cheaper?...can you paint over existing gel kote?...im getting ideas!!!!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February-26-2007 at 8:08pm
| ohhh yea forgot price point...range from 4800 to 6800....bill marshall did a few eric... |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-27-2007 at 6:48pm
| 79nautique,I agree with part of your blister explanation but not all.Yes the water does eventually pa$$ through the gel and cannot readily pa$$ back out again.But the reason has everything to do with what's underneath the gelcoat and not the gelcoat itself.The water collects in voids and dissolves unreacted resin.This forms an acid that attracts more water and eventually builds up enough pressure to cause a blister because like you said,the acid/water will not pa$$ back through.And from what I've read,you're also right about the possibility of blistering over epoxy although to a much lesser extent. Farmer |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-27-2007 at 7:46pm
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I've never heard of the water reacting with the epoxy resin. So if I read you right then it's that some uncured/poorly cured section of resin activating with the water causing the issue. Ok I'll by that it must be the presence of extra hydrogen molcules kicking off the resin again creating the pressure, not a chemist but sounds logical. Good line of bullsh*t if it isn't anyway. It's like the sign my dad has in his office, if you can't dazzle them with brillence (sp) baffle them with bullsh*t. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: February-27-2007 at 8:04pm
Why do you think they call me farmer????
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-28-2007 at 7:28am
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because you wear overalls?
ryan your in the range ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-28-2007 at 7:30am
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Farmer you can clear over anything, except oil ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-28-2007 at 8:03am
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Eric, I should have said Mas and not West. Now you won't need to get out the check book! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: pmallinson
Date Posted: March-29-2007 at 12:05am
Hi I'm also needing to strip the pint from my 20' fibre glass boat as its been brush painted by previous owner and looks a mess. I have attacked a small area but good God its thick and well stuck it'll take me a year to do it by hand scraping and sanding. Hence I was also looking at the Marine Shaver but not only do they want $660 but also $150 for P&P to Ireland !! I cannot See your photo's on this posting so could you please email me your home made stripper so I can get some ideas to make my own if need be please. ------------- Peter Mallinson Kenmare Southern Ireland www.sheenview.com |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: March-29-2007 at 7:28pm
| pmallinson, I've sent you pictures to your e-mail address. Good luck with your project. You are not alone. Farmer |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: April-01-2007 at 10:28pm
I finally started to apply the epoxy bottom repair. I think I may have made a mistake by grinding off some crystalized fiberglass along the edges. It's going to take a little more work than thought to build them back up but it's do-able.
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Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: April-01-2007 at 11:23pm
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Looking good, I can't wait to see it when you get it finished.
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Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: October-25-2008 at 12:27am
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