Cant get the crank hub bolt out
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Topic: Cant get the crank hub bolt out
Posted By: wannabeSS
Subject: Cant get the crank hub bolt out
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:15pm
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Some of you read my thread about breaking the timing chain, well i've started tearing down the front of the motor to replace it. I cant seem to get the crank hub bolt off because the motor just keeps turning over when i wrench. I tried putting the trans in gear but that obviously didnt work. I need some way to stop the motor so i can take this bolt off. ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:18pm
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Are you using an impact gun? ------------- |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:24pm
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TRBenj wrote:Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:45pm
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I would think that is gonna be a tough one without the impact gun. Could you possibly get a strap wrench around the balancer to hold it? Not sure if that will work and then you still have a problem tourqing it back down when re-installing. I'd work on that pylon again.
You could pull the tranny and try to hold the crank in place from that end but it's probably easier to pull the motor. Here's another thought for you, do you have enough room to get a puller on the balancer even if you do get the bolt out or is the pylon still in the way? ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:50pm
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:52pm
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I hate to say it but put a breaker bar on it and try hitting the breaker bar with a deadblow hammer or equivalant, that acts like a impact, i use heat(propane or mapp) on the bolt in case there is locktite on it but you have to be careful with the heat, worse case remove starter and lock flywheel, even worse case remove engine ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:54pm
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ok two ways of doing it, the first the postion of the wrench makes a hugh difference. Also can't remember if it has left hand threads or not so you might try turning it the other way.
method one is with a long breaker bar or ratchet and you have to have the wrench handle at just before 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock and that will help direct the torque to the bolt and not spin the crank. The second is a little easier. get two old bolts and screw them into the holes used to mount the pulley then use a long pry bar against them to keep it from turning. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:55pm
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The bolts are supposed to spin, they are loosening. Nothing to hold on the other side as far as I know, atleast not on the '88 thought it was the same since '80. It's a giant clamp, think of it as two horizontal C-clamps one on top of the other. Then remove the bolt/nut at the bottom through the female cup. Pole should slide out nicely. ------------- |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 4:59pm
There should be nylon lock nuts on the back side and you while have to reach in the inspection cover by the battery box to get to them but you really don't need to do all that if you just screw in two bolts into the harmonic balance and use a pry bar against them. Don't make the job harder than it all ready is. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 5:10pm
***Edit*** I'll let the pics do the talking twinkle fingers.
This is SkiBum's cradle, notice no "V" welded in, I don't know the exact specs throughout the years. What the '84 cradle looks like I don't know, should be similar. 
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Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 5:21pm
------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 5:22pm
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 5:27pm
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Kevin I'll give you that one the one that I saw had bolts and not u-bolts, didn't even have the side braces either. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 5:30pm
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Chris, I threw in the disclaimer that I don't now what the '84 one is exactly. Just doing a little "armchair engineering" here based on the '88. Either way, loosen the clamp however it needs to be done, remove pin and the thing should come out. ------------- |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 5:37pm
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I agree but even f you get the bolts and pin out it still will catch on the floorboards some as well. might try twisting it a little back and forth as you pull out on it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 6:02pm
/ Got the cover off, the chain didnt break but the cam gear is  . Do you guys have a list of all the sizes of the timing cover bolts b/c mine are pretty rusty and some are shot. ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 6:12pm
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I just took the pylon out of the 82. There were four bolts and nuts clamping the pylon into the aluminum bracket. Not the U bolts as Hollywood depicted above. The nuts on mine were nyloc. You can reach through the bilge hole in front of the motor box and get a wrench on them. It will probably take two people. One to reach through the bilge hole and one on the bolt end near the motor. There's also a small bolt through the pylon/floor receiver at the bottom. I had to twist the pylon pretty good as it was rusted in at the bottom assembly. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 6:12pm
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just order a set of S/S ARP's from summit or Jeg's. They'll have a listing for bolt kits for teh timing cover. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 6:14pm
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don't frget you have to drop the front of the oil pan a little to get the timing cover off and a couple of the pan bolts screw into the cover it's self. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 6:23pm
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wannabeSS,
How many hours on the motor? I've seen chains stretch but never busting a gear like that. Especially on these boats where the prop never breaks free. That seems a little odd to me. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 6:47pm
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Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 6:59pm
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is this the right bolt kit? it's from jegs
070-454-1504 SB-Ford Stainless Hex ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 7:09pm
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I don't know if I would have bought it from advance, but I wouldn't have just bought the gear only and would have got both gears and a chain as a set. A lot of the gears are actually nylon not all but alot, doesn't really suprize me it striped the gears once one or two go the rest go quickly.
I'll have to look for the bolt kit. Should be the right one. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 7:44pm
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 7:55pm
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go to NAPA and get it there and ask if they have a roller timing chain and gear set and ask if they have more than one brand to select from and get the one that cost a little more and is a brand name like speed pro, clevite, sealed power. get the NAPA brand if you have too or the others are too much cash.
I never trust the guys at autozone, advance, o'riely's most can't find their a**hole let alone parts. NAPA, CARQUEST or a mom and pop parts store are much safer then most of the national chains, besides unless you ask for name brand parts at autozone/advance and the like, your going to get the cheapist crap on the market. If I Buy parts from one of those stores I'm going and asking for a specific brand and part number and never let them look it up. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-01-2007 at 9:40pm
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79,
I was surpised to see the gear set that came off my motor had nylon gears. Cheap piece of crap. I'm a firm believer that these motors need a timing chain set at 700 hours. I got a double roller cloyes set at summit for about $40. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-02-2007 at 8:32am
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-02-2007 at 8:37am
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Mine has a double roller and I didn't have to change or modify the cover to get it to fit. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-02-2007 at 8:55am
Same here. ------------- |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-02-2007 at 11:41am
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-02-2007 at 11:56am
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your going to need to remove the valve cover on the drivers side to verify that the cam is in the right postion when the #1 cyl is on TDC before you install the gears and chain. This will allow you to make sure that it is also on the correct phase, intake/exhaust of the cam.
Since the gear striped you have to get everything lined up and timed correctly otherwise your in for a major oh sh*t. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-02-2007 at 12:18pm
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-02-2007 at 12:28pm
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Ok if you say so ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-02-2007 at 3:23pm
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Did you know that they changed the timing set on december 10, 1984? The ones that they had at NAPA didnt match, advance ordered the one that looked close to this one, what a pos. ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-05-2007 at 7:25pm
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WannabeSS, no need to pull the valve cover, take off the dist. cap ,make sure you are on #1 line up the dots. You are on the right track, some people on this site talk out there ass,kinda like the harmonic bolt could be left hand threads,79 that is bullsh*t, Ford ain't never had a L/H tread.
Talk is cheap and so is your advice79..............And you tell this man to buy his parts a NAPA,yea... WannabeSS, gears and chains can be bought at Sumitt or Jeggs for about the same money,and you won't get any chinese or jap crap.. just me talking.........boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-05-2007 at 9:12pm
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always a day late and dollar short, where were you when he was having trouble getting it off, nowhere, but you always have time to critize (sp) after the fact, days later, Doc your just a JACK ASS. If your half the man you say you are then you should have spoke up earlier but as always, there wasn't anything to drop ship at cost or collect towards your Hy-Tek dealership.
All you really are Doc is a blow hard coward that won't help out unless it all ready done so you can crittize what was done or suggested we really don't need you comments. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-09-2007 at 7:24pm
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Im flattered that you guys are fighting to help me . Anyways, got my timing set from advance, all is good. Now I need help getting the distributor back in. I have the dots lined up on the timing set perfectly, I just need to know where to position the rotor and distributor. ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-09-2007 at 7:59pm
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YO DOC WHERE ARE YOU HELLO DOC CAN YOU HELP A GUY OUT?
Didn't thing so had time to tell someone about a trailer part but help on putting a dist in is too much to ask I guess. Since you have the dots lined up you should have the #1 on TDC as well so there are two ways to go about it. one is just drop the dist in and what ever spark plug tower it points to is your #1 and then you need to change all of the wires accordingly following the firing order of the engine. Don't recommend doing it this way but it will work. the other way is trace back the #1 lead back to the cap and where that tower is is where the rotor tip should point. Just keep in mind the rotor will rotate some while you are inserting the dist. And you have to pay attention to where the key in the cap is to so that you know where to line the dist base up because it can rotate and will rotate. So lets try this a little different. With the cap off look for the key/indexing feature of the cap, might be on the bottom of the cap or side, depends on the dist. make and model, then locate which tower the #1 wire goes too. Now postion the cap in it's normal postion, just hold it in the air over the dist opening in the block with the dist base out. Now look for the indexing feature of the cap and where the #1 tower is these are your refernce marks that you need to line up once it's all done so make some chalk marks, use tape or just remember where they are. Next instal the dist base so that the rotor lines up where your reference of the tower is, then you want to rotate the base of the dist until the indexing feature is lined up with the other reference point. Now sit the cap on the base and the #1 tower should be over the tip of the rotor. If it's not then you might have to rotate the base a little so that it is. Snug the bolt a little so that the base doesn't rotate too easily on you, start it up and set the timing. Worse comes to worse and this is confusing to you go back to method one and remember the rotor turns CCW ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-10-2007 at 11:29am
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Ok some of that was confusing, but i think i got it. I have the dist in with the rotor facing the #1 tower when the cap is installed, engine is TDC #1. Now for the timing part... My balancer is all rusty and i cant see the marks on it, how do i set the timing? ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-10-2007 at 11:36am
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well the marks should be ingraved in the balancer spray some carb clear/brake clean on that area of the harm. bal and wipe it down to clean it some. Now get a piece of chalk or a lite colored crayon and rub it over the ingrave has marks. now litely wip it off so that it is only in the grooves and numbers. You should also see different length lines. You really only looking for the 8 or 10 degree mark. doing this will make it easier to see the marks now hook up the timing light and set it at 8-10 btdc. once it is there then tighten down the dist clamp and recheck the time to make sure it did not move when you tightened it. hope this helps but if not you are going to have to do it by ear. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-11-2007 at 5:56pm
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Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-26-2007 at 3:18pm
I just got around to trying to clean the balancer, it's really pitted from the brackish water use the previous owner did. I cannot get the engraved lines to come up. Do you think you could maybe measure the engraved lines from a mark like a pulley bolt so i can make new lines? Or how would i go about setting the timing by ear? I called skidim because i was going to buy a new balancer, but it is $477  ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-26-2007 at 3:44pm
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If it were me, Id just put some timing tape over the current balancer. To figure out where to install it, you need to locate top dead center (TDC) on cyl #1. Get a piston stop like http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D900189&N=700+%2D111338+115&autoview=sku - this one and follow steps 1 through 6 for the intake center line method described in http://www.compcams.com/Technical/Instructions/Files/145.pdf - these instructions.
This method would require you to remove a valve cover and the crank pully. Maybe someone else can suggest an easier method. ------------- |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-26-2007 at 6:53pm
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-27-2007 at 8:54pm
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If you have it lined up, (dots/TDC) then the pointer should be pretty much on Zero then and that is where zero on the tape well be as well. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: March-27-2007 at 9:33pm
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