1967 Mustang
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Topic: 1967 Mustang
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Subject: 1967 Mustang
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 2:00pm
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Okay, I'll start my own thread now.
This is the 1967 Mustang I'm looking at: http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1481 - 1967 Mustang Question, did the '67 Mustang have a rope bar on it? I see in the '68 brochure pics that it has a small one, but in the photo of the one I'm looking at (the blue '67), there are no mounting holes. Was that an option or does it mount some way I'm not seeing? I've seen photos of other '68s that have a long bar all the way across the back that is much different than in the brochure pics. But, not many good pics of the back ends of these boats (and not sure what's original and what's not). I do plan on pulling skiers and my kids on tubes behind this... and I would think a rope would tear things up on the back if there wasn't a bar there. Thoughts? Also, does anyone know why the photos I'm finding show two different styles of windshields for the '67 and '68 Mustangs? Did CC use both styles or mid-year change? The '68 in TRBenj's photos has a different windshield than is shown in the '68 brochure (brochure pic is the same windshield that the '67 Mustang I'm looking at has). If it's okay with everyone, I'll just continue this thread as I think of things to ask. If anyone wants to jump in and offer suggestions on things I haven't thought of yet, please do so. Thanks, Brice |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 2:11pm
Our '68 had a "rope bar" like all the boats pictured below:
I had thought the windshields used on the Mustang through '68 were 1 piece like this: 
However, looking through the diaries shows many earlier Mustangs to have a similar split-pane winshield like this one: 
ReidP may know the story behind these. ------------- |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 2:31pm
Thanks! That's what I was thinking and that's what the '68 brochure shows too - I sure wish there was a '67 brochure available but I should be able to get one once it's dug out of storage. How does that bar mount? I don't see any mounting holes on the back of the '67 I'm looking at. Anyone know where I might find one of those original rope bars or if the '67 even had one? |
TRBenj wrote:Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 2:54pm
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I love this brochure photo of the '68.
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/reference/1968_brochure/index.asp?page=17 - 1968 Mustang Brochure Photo It shows the split-pane window and rope bar as well (looks like it just bolts onto the back). Do they really look like that flying through the water? Question, can anyone describe the differences between the 1967 and 1968 Mustangs? |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 3:37pm
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Our 66 Mustang did not have the rope bar. Only one of the six 67s in the diaries has one and it appears to ba a non factory add-on, so my guess would be the 67s did not have one and that 68 was the first year. No, things in the back do not get torn up without it. I wouldn't worry about finding one. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 4:01pm
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During these years the pylon was an option correct? So it makes sense that if the boat didn't come with one, then it probably wasn't going to come with the rope guard ?????
Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: scott8370
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 4:26pm
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I think the windsheild with the bar in the middle is glass and the one without is plexiglass. ------------- Scott |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 10:19pm
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Brice If your friend has a lot of these old brochures , I would be more than very interested in buying one from 1959 for my 59 atom skier . Let me know !
Thanks, Pat ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 10:31pm
| Pat, I'll do my best to talk him out of any and all brochures he can dig up. He said he had boxes of them in storage. I'm not sure what year he started selling boats, but I'll find out. |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 7:03am
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Lake,
Maybe if your friend is wanting to keep his brochures he would be willing to scan them and allow the scanned copies to be used on this site. Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 9:02am
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Chuck, I'll do my best. It'll probably be a couple weekends before I get back over there and I'm sure he'll be pretty busy coming up on this season (he also farms 150+ acres) besides running the marine sales shop. But I'll let everyone know what I come up with and what I can make available.
- Brice |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 9:23am
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Okay, back to the seats... we believe the original seats only faced forward and this Mustang may not have had the "ski package" as no pylon or way to mount one (although there was a hole for it) came with it. Does anyone have a '67 with forward facing only seats or did the "ski package" include seats that faced either direction?
I'll be picking up the '67 Mustang soon and may not be able to do much interior work right away, but you never know how motivated I might just get. 
My plan for this Mustang is to keep it as original as possible (finishing the restoration - new gel coat... no paint) while also maintaining a little added functionality. I like the drink holders and they as well as the center console are removable. Brian did an excellent job keeping this Mustang so it could be returned to bone stock if needed. No additional holes were drilled anywhere to mount "extras" that are non-stock. The motor on the other hand will probably never go back to a stock 289. A friend of mine has already offered to build me a new 302 (he's a big-time Mustang car fan)... although he's suggesting putting 351C heads on it (aka, BOSS 302) if they'll fit width wise under the slightly raised motor cover. Has anyone put 351C heads on their Windsors yet? Thoughts on this? By the way, IF I were to ever do this and could do it keeping the boat "looking" stock... would 400+ HP in a 1,600 lb. Mustang leave me with a motor pushing me across the lake and a pile of fiberglass splinters left behind in the wake? 
Those of you with built-up motors... what tranny are you running? Thanks again, Brice |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 9:42am
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Brice, I have tried real hard to have a stock appearing boat,1964 Am. Skier,old stye looks.
The power plant is another subject: 331 stroker w/ all the goodys,tow boats are a different world than 1/4 mile drag cars. I built my stroker for torque,aka tractor.The hull design is not happy to pushed above 55 mph. Your idea of a high rpm motor,Boss 302,w/ big valves, large ports, lottsa high rpm horsepower,in my opinion,is the wrong chain of thought for that old boat. Most on this site have made mods to our motors,while increasing HP, you also increase torque,be careful and don't create a beast that will bite the hand that built it..................boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 9:55am
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Thanks boat dr. That's what I was looking for. For all I know, this is going to be plenty of motor for me for a long time to come. Just get me talking motors and I regress to my 1/4 mile days and helping squeeze an extra 1 or 2 horse out of a motor by icing down the fuel lines before a run. Most of my racing though was SCCA Autocross Solo II in a '89 Mustang w/ 5.0L (bone stock). The world of boats is relatively new to me... I don't want to cross the line but it sure can be fun moving right along it.
So, what would you recommend for a prop? I'm pretty sure this has the original prop on it but I'm not 100% sure. Do you know what the original prop would be? Thanks for the advice. - Brice |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 10:12am
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Brice, could be wrong here, if so someone will shoot me down. My '64 had a 12x12,after major mods I have progressed to a 13x14 Austrel 4 blade.
You will see a lot of talk here about the Acme 540, kinda like women,to each his own. I have tried a lot of props,OJ 13x13 Forcefour is a good pulling prop good speed, just too fragile for La. water.Have a good one for sale if you want,was a take offafter the stroker,too many R's.......boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 10:13am
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8370, Both the single and 2 piece windshields were plexi. The 2 piece were used in the later years.
There really wasn't a ski "package". You would order the pylon as a option and the dealer in most cases would install it. The rope gaurds were simply a piece of half round aluminun about a 1/2" wide. They would get bent very easily!! Mounting was with 4 screws into the deck through the half round where it lies flat to the deck. All Mustangs I've seen had bucket seats. I don't remember ever seeing one with the middle or side split bench seat like the Barracuda. The buckets however are reversable for a observers seat. The pylons of that era were scarry compared to todays standards. I installed several back in my Watercraft Sales days and they were simply pinned to a bracket on the keel and then went through a hole in the plywood floor with no flange or bolts. Lake, Listen to the Doc regarding engine mods. Boats need torque and HP curves different than cars. I'm glad to here you want to keep the Mustang as close to original as possible. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 10:46am
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Welcome Brice,
I have 67 mustang as well, still in need of gelcote and an interior, but pretty far along in the engine development stages. It has a rebuilt .30 over 302 at this point, gt40p cylinder heads worked with new springs and larger than stock valves, edelbrock intake, carb, cam, ported/polished aluminum commander style exhaust manifolds, dual 3 inch exhaust, performance distributors DUI, scorpion alum roller rockers, and a bunch of stuff I can't remember but was documented here on various threads. I have had no problems with the tranny as of yet, and I run either an OJ XMP or an ACME 540. It goes I dunno how fast, but it sure gets there quick and scares the driver the passengers and pretty much all onlookers which are assured by the rediculous noise it makes. It is a disease and there is no cure. My advice, if you plan on skiing a lot wakeboarding, etc, crusing around in the early morning or late night, letting friends and family drive it, leave it basically stock, even stock that boat is loud and proud and demands attention. If you are looking for a look_at_me occasional cruiser go crazy, we can help. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 11:44pm
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Well, it sounds like it's just going to be a blast no matter what. I found out tonight the windshield on this Mustang is glass, not plexi. I'll be taking possession of her very soon and then I'm sure the real fun will begin.
Yes, I'll be looking for some parts and probably a lot of advice. 
Does anyone have an extra (and correct for a '67 Mustang) starboard "Correct Craft" emblem as this one is missing a C. Thanks, Brice |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 6:11am
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Brice, So you must have the split windshield and 8370 is correct that they were glass and not plexi. Sorry for me misinforming you. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 7:18am
Good luck with that one Brice. They are scarce as hens teeth around here and frequently the subject of a search. You can buy plastic reproductions from white lake marina but since you have 99% of your original ones, I'm guessing you don't want to do that. Post an ad in parts wanted and keep your eye on parts for sale. Pretty much the only way to get them is when someone decides to part out a boat. I think I might recall someone casting reproductions but I don't recall the details. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 7:44am
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The two piece windshield was an upgrade on the Mustangs and Skylarks. The standard windshield was one piece.
The rope guide was part of the pylon option. |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 10:43pm
Do you happen to have a brochure for the '67 Mustang? I'd be very interested in the name of the blue color as well as what other options (engine, etc.) were available. Thanks, - Brice |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 5:12am
| I don't think there was a 67 brochure. Some 67's look like the boats in the 66 brochure, and some look like the boats in the 68. Check out the reference section. There's really good stuff there for those two years. |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 9:20am
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Well, if there is no brochure, that makes things a bit more interesting.
By the way, since this had a 302 Interceptor put in it at some time during the 70's... does anyone know what year(s) the 302 Interceptor was used? 
Any help on identifying the year of the engine or anything else about it? I don't have it yet (hoping to pick up the Mustang this weekend) so I can't get numbers off the engine, but just curious if anyone knows anything about this one. Thanks again, Brice |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 9:46am
| Looking at that boat, I think it would be most similar to the 66 brochure and sell sheets. |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 9:21pm
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Brice,
More than likely, the boat came with a 289 Interceptor, and only the short or long block was changed. The 302 as a complete new engine package, was only available from Interceptor, I believe, in 69 and 70, as Interceptor ceased to exist after that. You can find the casting numbers on your block, but they will not tell you the exact age of the engine, only the year that that particular casting was begun. So find those and we can tell you that the engine is "no older" than the particular casting date, but it could certainly be newer. The alum intake on that boat is definitely late 60's-mid 70's vintage, sold as an Edelbrock F4B and even over-counter from Ford, and definitely a nice HP piece. Riley's right on track regarding the windshield and rope guide. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 11:17pm
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I have a copy from Correct Craft,the original spec sheet from the 68 Mustang SS.It shows the "Clearance bar" was an option for $10.50 installed.The ski pull was 75.00 and a stereo tape player 4 track ? was 197.95. You can see my clearance bar in my before picture and what is left of the standard 2 piece glass windshield,for the SS anyway.My clearance bar is made of stainless,I'll post a picture of it later,it's not on right now,it's too hard to climb over when getting in. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 4:45am
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Gary S I'm sure is correct that the rope bar is stainless and not aluminum as I mentioned in a earlier post. I really couldn't remember if it was SS or aluminum. It sure wouldn't be hard to bend up by hand. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 8:43am
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The bar on my 1977 Ski Tique is Alum and was bent when I got the boat from ones pulling up boarding or from pulling something. Was not hard to correct.
The holes for the mounting brackets were also enlarged. ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 9:19am
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Sreve, The rope bars were changed to a tubular aluminum after the 60's. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 67nautique312
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 2:32pm
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Is it just me or Has anyone noticed the 1968 Brochure that the gas cap is off and riding on the back of the boat or are my eye's playing tricks on me?
Paul, Is that what it is? ------------- 1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter) 67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 2:38pm
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312, Was it the 68 Mustang picture? I think what you may be seeing is the deck glass viewing window that you would look through to see the gas gauge on top of the tank. What's on your 67? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 4:50pm
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I really appreciate all the info so far from everyone. It has been very helpful. I'm making the drive tomorrow to pick up the '67 Mustang. I can't wait to get it home and on the lake.
First thing, I'll need a cover. Does anyone know where I can get an inexpensive cover that will fit the Mustang? Well, I know lots of places to get them... but what would you recommend and part number? Thanks, Brice |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 6:37pm
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Brice, Are you looking for a cover for storage or trailering? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 6:48pm
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Here's a couple of clearance bar pictures-
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l119/garys_01/Picture001.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l119/garys_01/Picture002.jpg ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 6:58pm
Ahh... hadn't thought about that. Probably both. Is it going to tear it up too much if I trailer it home tomorrow without a cover? I know I'll need a cover to keep the sun off of it as the lift I'm getting isn't covered. Thanks, Brice |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 7:09pm
Fantastic photos! If you can, what is the diameter, length of the flat ends, and stainless or aluminum? I don't suppose anyone has one of these laying around they aren't using?
Thanks again! - Brice |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 10:53pm
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Brice
Since you work in Indy Indy Marine will make anything you want. They made all my seats and road cover. ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-24-2007 at 6:57am
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Brice, For trailering the cover must be a very high quality and be custom fit otherwise you have problems getting it tight enough so it doesn't flap in the wind. Even with the best cover, you may get some scuffing of the boat and is the reason I do not cover my wooden boats when trailering. Some of our wood boat people go all the way and have their custom covers fleece lined! To cover the boat on the lift, a generic cover will work. They come in the basic style / shape of the boat and then the length. You may want to look into a canopy for the lift.
The rope bar is a stock stainless profile at Taco marine however I don't know if you can get it without screw holes on 6" ctrs. without special ordering it. Do the search for Taco marine and give them a call. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: March-24-2007 at 7:54am
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Brice
The actual name of the custom boat tops,covers and upholstery shop is Smitty's Indianapolis Marine. Their phome number is 317-545-4646 and ask for Steve Smith. They do most of the custom work for the local dealers including the local CC dealer. ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-25-2007 at 3:02pm
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Thanks for all the advice everyone. I went yesterday to look at her and I am now the proud owner of a 1967 Correct Craft Mustang! By the way, yes... this is my FIRST boat. I'm glad I did my research and found this forum and that Mustang on here.
Brian did a wonderful job in the work he did and was excellent when it came to supplying me details and photos before I made the drive up there. Thank you Brian for everything! The trailer is the original 1967 Correct Craft trailer and it did a wonderful job getting my new baby home for me (I pulled her home uncovered to be safe). I did have a bit of trouble with one tire deciding it didn't need any tread left on it (it sort of blew itself apart but it didn't hit the boat) but made it the rest of the way safely on the spare. We launched her this morning on the lake here. I have some pics of the whole family on her maiden voyage I'll have to upload later. Question... this boat revs way fast up past 5,500 RPM if I'm not careful. It has what I believe to be the original prop on it (12x12) but I do have a 12x14 that I can put on it to give it a try. Will that help keep the RPMs under 4,500 or so and what else could I expect to get from going to that pitch? I suspect when the 302 Interceptor was put in here... it wasn't a stock 302. It idles a bit high (and is running a bit rich) so I need to figure out how to adjust the 650cfm Holley 4BBL that's on there. Any tips? I love this boat. The pics you've all seen don't do her justice. I'm sure my neighbors are happy I waited until about noon before putting her in the water though. hehe '67 Correct Craft Mustang... in one word... WOW!!! - Brice 1967 Mustang |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: March-25-2007 at 5:19pm
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Congratulations! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-25-2007 at 7:05pm
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LakeHoliday,Sounds like you have too much carb on that pony.650cfm is a tad much for a stock 302.The hi idle may be covering up a over rich idle prob.
12x14 may be a bit much also,13 will be more in the ballpark.Also possible tach reading too hi. Holley makes a 450 cfm just for the 302,kinda pricey but worth the bucks.I bought one less than a year ago,bolted it on adj, idle mixture, and got a smooth 400rpm idle.Well worth the purchase price, also instant start, added bonus......boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-25-2007 at 8:11pm
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Thanks boat dr. I do have a 12x13 as well. I'll give that a try. I did adjust the idle and got it down to about 600 RPM but no lower. It does run smooth but still seems like a bit too much carb.
Anyway, here is a photo of her maiden voyage here on our lake. 
I had a blast today. This is too much fun! |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: March-25-2007 at 9:48pm
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Brice,
Congrats on the "new" ride! ....gotta love those ol CCs!.. btw, Where do you live? ...that boat was in Rockford IL , wasnt it? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: March-25-2007 at 10:19pm
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Great looking Mustang Brice! It looks like the Powder Blue color shown in one of the brochures. You asked about several issues: The prop, like Doc mentioned is a little light at 12x12. Depending on healthy the 302 is, i.e., whether it's stock internally or not, the 12x13 may be a little small pitch-wise as well. A two barrel 302 came with a 12x13 while the 200+HP 302s came with 12x14s. The correct prop in your case will typically be the one that actually lets the boat, NOT THE ENGINE, run the fastest mph-wise. Remember that increased rpm does not always correlate with increased mph when comparing props, especially when it results in the engine turning beyond it's designed power band. I agree with you or whoever noted that 4500 was a good starting target, and then test from there. Like your old bone stock 5.0 Mustang car, if you road-coursed it with 4:10 gears, it probably wouldn't perform as well/quick as it did with the stock 2.73s/3.08s or similar, unless you did engine mods and increased/raised the power band. I had several 5.0 GTs back in the day as well, and now get my performance fix from the boats and several 302s there as well.
Oh, the carb. If it's indeed running rich, you'll probably notice the transom getting a black film from the exhaust. The Holley has the two idle mix screws on either side. Here's the method I've always adhered too as opinions differ and since no one's spoken up yet: with the engine idling, screw one screw in at a time slowly until you hear the idle start to drop, then back off 3/4 turn. Then run the rpms up higher and water testing is best. If and when you pull the throttle back quickly and the engine shuts off, you may need to back the screws out slightly more. It's a fine balance, but I like having the carb to (1)where the engine won't shut off when decelerated quickly, (2)doesn't always need a pump of the throttle to start when warm, and (3)doesn't coat the transom with smut. And while a 650cfm carb (can't recall how we determined exactly what size it was) is a little large for stock, it won't kill him will it Doc, and esp if if runs good? ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: March-25-2007 at 10:51pm
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I have a 302 with 220 hp. I bought a new federal prop that was a 12 x 14 . It let my boat run up to 4800 rpm , somewhere reel close to 47 mph . I would recomend your 12x14.
Pat ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-25-2007 at 11:03pm
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Reidp, no the large cfm will not kill him, but it may keep the secondaries from opening.Not enough venturi effect to pull them open............boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-26-2007 at 8:59am
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Very nice.
Looks great on the water!! ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-26-2007 at 9:49am
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62 wood, this '67 Mustang's new home is in Crawfordsville, IN on Lake Holiday.
It was originally sold on December 1, 1967 and yes, it's Powder Blue (original). She has a few nicks and scrapes but being the same age (within a few months depending on the actual date of her construction)... so do I. The two of us are a good match. reidp, I'll try your suggestions on adjusting the carb and I might try the 12x14 first then just to see how it does. It's a beautiful prop and it would be a shame not to at least give it a try. Brian had this listed as 180 HP based on what others had told him, but I seriously doubt that with the 302 Interceptor, the Edelbrock F4B intake and Holley 4BBL carb on it (by the way it doesn't sound like a stock cam either)... it's putting out only 180 HP. Any guesses at to what this engine is most likely putting out (just a guess) not knowing all the internals? By the way, after the two hours I put on her yesterday (mostly running around 4,200 RPM which sucked down about $35 in gas - hehe) I didn't notice any black film on the transom from the exhaust so maybe it's not running rich afterall. Yes, I did enough idling around as well. Anyway, do all you folks have your own personal gas stations at your dock?
...and thanks to everyone on the congrats. Not bad for a "first" boat is it? I LOVE IT!!! For those of you wondering... yes, I'm going to keep her as original as possible (with the exception of the engine). At some point, I'll get the seats finished in the original dark blue. I have the original rear seat and cushions so I can match the seat colors. Thanks, Brice |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-26-2007 at 10:07am
| That's a great boat. Solid color, split glass windshield, gas pedal. Looks great in the water. Good luck! |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: March-26-2007 at 12:43pm
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Thanks Riley.
Tonight when I get home I'll get the numbers off the Holley carb so we all know exactly which one it is we're talking about. I'm also going to try to get the prop swapped out next weekend. |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: April-03-2007 at 9:29am
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I went and saw Steve Behl's 1977 Ski Tique yesterday. It's a *beautiful* boat and he did a wonderful job on the restoration. Also, Steve... thanks for letting me borrow your prop puller!
Question, his seats are on the original metal frames and look identical to what I've seen on some '67 and '68 Mustangs in the diaries section. Did the original front seats in the '67 Mustang use these same metal frames? Can anyone 100% identify (or post photos) of the original 1967 CC Mustang front seats and frames? I have yet to find a good photo that shows the frames and I need to know what is 100% original. Yes, I'm looking for a set of front seats, frames, photos, drawings, templates, diagrams, or whatever I can find. Once I figure out exactly what I need I'll post it in the correct section... but until then, I'm just trying to find out exactly what I need. Thanks, Brice ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1833 - 1967 Correct Craft Mustang |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-03-2007 at 10:14am
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Brice, Looking great!! Glad to hear another fan of originality. It is a plus in my book! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: April-03-2007 at 12:19pm
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Yes, I'd love to find some original seats or at least the frames.
I was hoping to get out on the lake and try out the 12x13 prop instead of the 12x12 that's on there now (my 12x14 has a crack in the hub so it won't be used). But... looks like a 20% chance of SNOW this weekend. Oh well... mid-80's to snow in a week. Gotta love Indiana weather! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1833 - 1967 Correct Craft Mustang |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-03-2007 at 7:50pm
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Brice- Great looking boat,I think you'll be very happy with it.I'm running a Holley 450 on mine with a 12x12 that I had repitched to 13.It runs to 5200,but my motor has low hours on it,balanced and ARP bolts on the rods and mains.Here is another picture of the back of my boat where the clearance bar mounts-
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l119/garys_01/Picture-1.jpg It's hard to measure the width of it since it's curved,but over the top it's 7/8", across the bottom it's 3/4. The flats are 2". On the picture of the rear deck of my boat the screws that are farthest apart are 24 1/4" the inner set of screws are 1 1/4" in from them. The whole bar is centered over the stern light and is made of stainless.If you need any other measurements,let me know ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: April-03-2007 at 11:01pm
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Brice,
I dont see you signed up for Green Lake yet! You gotta make it up there! As for fuel consumption...once you get her dialed in , it shouldnt be much worse than a big outboard.....unless you keep that 4bbl open! Now lets get signed up for the reunion!------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-04-2007 at 7:54am
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It's hard to measure the width of it since it's curved,but over the top it's 7/8", across the bottom it's 3/4. The flats are 2". On the picture of the rear deck of my boat the screws that are farthest apart are 24 1/4" the inner set of screws are 1 1/4" in from them. The whole bar is centered over the stern light and is made of stainless.If you need any other measurements,let me knowPosted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: April-06-2007 at 10:45am
I want to start out by saying... I won't be able to make it to Green Lake this year. But... I'll be thinking about everyone there and *expect* to see LOTS of photos! 
Speaking of photos... thanks to everyone so far who has helped by posting photos or pointing me to photos that have helped me! Okay, so I had the '67 Mustang out on the lake a couple weekends ago for two hours. We had a blast. The temps were up in the 80's and it was wonderful. However, the last couple days (and the rest of this weekend) we are under a freeze advisory and night temps dropping into the low 20's. I drained the water from all the drains I could find (two on each exhaust manifold and one on the port side of the engine block) and placed a 100-watt lightbulb (clamp lamp without the reflector as it wouldn't fit) underneath the engine clamped to one of the motor mounts to help keep temps inside the engine compartment above freezing as I'm sure I can't locate all the drains yet. I did find this excellent post here on winterizing: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5091 - Link to post 5091 but for the life of me I can't find them all so I'm hoping the lightbulb idea works (seems to as the temp inside the engine compartment is up in the 40s with the outside ambiant temp in the 20s. Am I safe??? Anyone else de-winterized thier boats only to have "winter" come back a couple weeks later? Anyway, I still can't identify the engine. I was told (no reason not to believe it) that the original 289 Interceptor was swapped out with a 302 Interceptor sometime in the 70's. From the photo on Page 2 of this topic, can anyone help identify more pieces/parts? It has an Edelbrock F4B intake with a Holley 600cfm mounted on top. The exhaust manifolds say "OSCO" on the sides which I believe were aftermarket (can someone confirm this?). How do I know exactly what engine is in this boat? What can you all tell me about the 302 Interceptor and Where "should" I be able to find casting numbers on the block? Also, I think one of the problems I'm having with the engine only wanting to start when the boat is level is that there is no wedge under the new Holley 4160 600cfm 4bbl carb. This is probably causing a lot of problems I don't even know about yet as it has to be pretty tilted until I get up on plane. Right? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1833 - 1967 Correct Craft Mustang |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: April-06-2007 at 10:56am
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there are 6 drain plugs, two in the block, one each for the exhaust, the elbow has one and the tranny cooler has the last one.
the 600 cfm carb is too big for a 302 motor, the fact that is doesn't have a wedge plate is BS and will have no effect on how well it runs or start ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: April-06-2007 at 12:41pm
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79nautique, thanks for the info. I can't for the life of me find the 2nd drain plug on the block. The one on the port side was easy, but on the other side, the starter is covering where I would think it would be (across from the drain on the other side). I found four on the exhaust (two in front that do nothing due to the way the engine is tilted and two near the rear that drained fine). What elbow are you referring to? I also don't see one on the tranny cooler. I'll look again tonight when I get home.
As far as the carb goes, I'll forget about the wedge then. I wish it had a 450cfm on it... but all I have is the new Holley 4160 600cfm and the original (needs rebuilt) Holley 600cfm as well (which makes me question why a 600cfm was on this engine to begin with. Anyway, I'm still working on how to get a 450cfm. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1833 - 1967 Correct Craft Mustang |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-06-2007 at 1:07pm
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You may not have a drain on the tranny cooler. Even if you do, pulling the lower hose off is easier anyways.
If your 302 is like my 351, there are drains on both sides of the block like '79 said. The starboard drain is in a similar location as the port side, but closer to the front of the block. If the Interceptor is the same as the PCM, the elbow in question is on the front of the motor, shown here:  ------------- |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: April-06-2007 at 1:17pm
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Brice
My 302 has a drain like the one pictured above. The drains on the engine are at about the same height on the block; however, one is toward the front and the other towards the rear. I do not remember which side is which. Steve P.S. Have tried the puller? No rush ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: April-06-2007 at 3:33pm
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TRBenj, thanks for the photo. That helps.
Steve, no... I haven't had a chance to try the prop puller yet. I'll definitely give it a try this weekend but it's still too cold to get it out on the water to see how the 12x13 performs compared to the 12x12. Thanks, Brice ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1833 - 1967 Correct Craft Mustang |
Posted By: LakeHoliday
Date Posted: April-13-2007 at 9:44pm
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Well, my engine looks *very* different from TRBenj's. But I did find enough drain plugs and removed enough hoses to get all the water out. I had to replace one hose too as I found it had a hole rubbed through it from hitting the alternator belt. I wondered where that extra water came from. hehe
Okay... the prop puller... WOW! Talk about taking some effort to get that to pop. Oh, and when it pops... it REALLY pops. I hit myself in the head with the wrench! ;) I thought I'd never get the prop off. Thanks for the tip (some other post) about putting a piece of 2x4 between the prop and the hull when tightening the prop puller. That worked like a charm other than when it decided to come loose from the taper... it did so with quite a bit of energy. Anyway, the 12x13 is now on there. I won't get a chance to try it tomorrow as there is supposed to be up to 1" of SNOW accumulation! What is wrong with Indiana weather? Oh well... By the way, I fixed the hose so there is no way it can rub on the alternator belt now. I did find a few other "issues" that I'll need to post photos to ask questions about though. Thanks again to everyone for the help so far and especially Steve for letting me borrow the prop puller. More photos to follow... - Brice ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1833 - 1967 Correct Craft Mustang |