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Topic: screw up
Posted By: eric lavine
Subject: screw up
Date Posted: March-28-2007 at 3:31pm
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Man did i screw up, driving our shop car back in forth to work..1999 vw passat and blew the belt at about 90 mph.. just pulled the 5 valve per cylinder head and found 12 valves bent over.
I dont practice what i preach, it was supposed to be changed at 60k and i let it slide to 93 1500.00 f-up Eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
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Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: March-28-2007 at 4:17pm
ehhh... thats never fun. Good to see that since it was so much over from when you should have changed it, you were taking it easy on it.  Sorry to hear about that though.
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: March-28-2007 at 4:26pm
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Seems like we should be able to do better than 1500 for a handy guy like yourself, looks like 500 for a reman from Tristate
http://www.tristatecylinderhead.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42&products_id=102 - Tristate Cylinder Heads ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: March-28-2007 at 6:03pm
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Eric I would give that guy the friends and family deal. I don't think you need to charge him the dummy fee, I think he learned his lesson.
On a serious note sorry to hear about the break down. Hope you get it fixed soon. ------------- |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: March-28-2007 at 6:16pm
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Get an interference free engine. One that the pistons and valves don't occupy the same space. I know that some suzuki's are like that, the timing belt breaks, it just quits. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: March-28-2007 at 7:07pm
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mazada and nizzan are the same way. Interference motors are no fun unless you stay after them. High priced to fix also. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-29-2007 at 7:37am
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1.8 turbo heads bring a premium Joe, the cheapest one i found was $700.00 the only thing is .....bent valves too
I'll pull the valves and check the head, if it isnt damaged I'll order valves. anywhere else they want $1200.00 swapped. head set 140.00 new bolts 40.00. If this what a boat topic it would read....I shouldve checked my alignment ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: March-29-2007 at 7:43am
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I dont know what tristate's policy on cores is and whether or not they are going to charge you because yours has bent valves, but 500 from them sounds like a pretty good deal, worst case they charge you a couple hundred for the valves? I would give them a call the GT40ps I got from them were top notch work completely remanned with new components and larger stainless valves they were still cheaper than most places used. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-29-2007 at 8:44am
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Joe, my buddy has a 1.8 out of the same year bug with a warped head, i grabbed it this morning and everything is the same, Im removing the valves as we speak, im also going to use his cams cause my intake cam is wiped along with the lifters. I had to by a 50.00 special socket to get the head off.
thanks for the info though. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: March-29-2007 at 8:47am
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Nice, I hate to see anyone who can turn a wrench retail for such things, mechanics have to make a living but the mark ups on parts at every level really gets me going sometimes. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: March-29-2007 at 10:11am
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Farfanugan! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-29-2007 at 10:15am
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I should be able to get it done for around $400.00 plus my labor i hope ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-30-2007 at 8:38pm
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-30-2007 at 8:39pm
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-30-2007 at 8:43pm
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Before and after, thanks to my friend he donated a head with good valves and i got it running today, its hard to believe they squeeze 5 valves in there. all the shiney ones are the ones replaced.
not a farfanugan its a almostgottafukn ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March-30-2007 at 8:44pm
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eric- ya know if ya woulda bought a dodge this never woulda happened.........eric
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-30-2007 at 8:48pm
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then I"d be doing the trans.... ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March-30-2007 at 9:03pm
| still a v-8 and is a tank... |
Posted By: 79Tique
Date Posted: March-31-2007 at 2:02am
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What's with people doing this to there VW's? A girl I work with just broke her timing belt on a 4 motion Passat wagon and she let the dealer put a new motor in it with out getting a second opinion. The bill was $5800.00! My wife and I love her VW car, but we have always changed the timing belts around 80k and never had a problem. ------------- Work to live, not live to work. |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-31-2007 at 6:52am
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Thats also why all the little escorts disappeared. Ford sold bajillions of them, but every eighty thou they frag. They are rarer on the road than original beatles, it seams. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-31-2007 at 7:00am
Eric, Don't throw those valves away. My wifes a sculptor, if she see's those things the wheels in her head will start spinning and we'll have a new "piece" to display. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-31-2007 at 8:13am
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farvacasso,
i'll send them if she wants them 81. i googled vw 1.8 turbo engine seems there is a class action law suit, I opened the maintanance section and it says replace at 60k, pretty cut and dry, seems to be an epidemic with the belt thing...i think there's a conspiracy. Im kinda glad it happened now, i had a major oil leak on the return side of the turbo from the heat cracking a plastic pipe, replaced all the belts and plugs, replaced both cams from lack of oil because the dipstick cap was broke (another common problem) allowing the dipstick to go down farther in the pan. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-31-2007 at 8:27am
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Eric, This is gonna sound a little strange but I'm going to email you with my UPS account number. If you could put em in a box and send them out that would be cool. Give her a little time and we'll see what she comes up with.
I've got it way too easy, some guys have to buy their wives diamonds all I need is some bent valves and I'm good to go. I asked her what she wanted for her birthday a few years ago and she said "an arc welder" I love that woman.------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-31-2007 at 8:36am
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anything to help you out with the lady, they do have a artsie look to them. send your address to mandy4037@windstream.net and ill ship usps ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-31-2007 at 10:00pm
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Eric, the Germans seem to over engineer most everything they produce.
I think that was part of the reason for the loss of TWO WARS.......... As far as the class action suit, these are my veiws: They will attack from WITHIN.......... Their weapons; BMW,Porche,VW KNOCK KNOCK boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: April-01-2007 at 12:17am
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Alan: I know just what you mean. Mrs. jbear is not fond of diamonds or anything else like that. She just wants to make sure we have what we need for the boat. Plus she looks good wet in a bathing suit and is a awesome driver. She really thought it was cool that Reid brought me GT40 heads. Man I love her.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-01-2007 at 8:48am
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Alan, I was thinking if you stood them up and painted them they would look like some type of flower arrangement, make sure she names it "Broke Belt Mountain" ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-01-2007 at 8:59am
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Boat doc, after having that cluster fk apart and all the sht involved, i was afraid to fire it, with a VW i hope its normal to have a handful of bolts left over lol
I drove it home yesterday, gritting teeth, and curled toes though after reading all the forums on the VW Passats and VW of America, I think the car will get a new owner sometime in the near future, VW has really had problems with sludge and the engines siezing and if you dont produce every single oil change reciept they wont warranty it. I read hundreds of complaints on this problem. I got the car from someone elses mis-fortunes and have to deal with it as for ever buying one again..no thanks ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: April-02-2007 at 7:31pm
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Gottaski I have 4 ford escorts, they all run well. They all have 120k or better on them. The high milage one has 229k on it still runs like it should. Ford put a 1.9L non interfirence motor in most of them starting in 1991. The only escorts with interfirence motors from 91-96 were the escort GT. Same prob, don't change timing belt every 70k and your taking your chances.
Escorts are making a come back right now with the price of gas. They used to be $500 beaters. Now they go for a $1,000. thats if it's rusty. Good shape one is $1500 easy. ------------- |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: April-02-2007 at 7:32pm
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sorry 5 escorts almost forgot I bought another 95 on friday. Brings the collection to a 91,93,(2)95's, and a 96. ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-03-2007 at 10:36pm
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When I first started driving I had a VW beetle,back in the day you could pick them up for a couple of hundred,fix the motor,they usually dropped a exhaust valve in #3.You'd drive them for a year,sell them and make good money.I owned 5 bugs and 1 Rabbit that I had bought new.It all ended when we bought a 1982 Quantum.Nice car when it was well,most of the time it was sick.It seemed like every week it was something.At 30k it had a complete new transaxle at 90 it needed another.At below 0 temps the gear lube in the diff would force it's way thru the dual seals and into the auto trans section, then the ring gear would start to self destruct and when the governor drive finally sheared off you were done.All other manufactures used auto trans fluid thru out their system.Air conditioning trouble,harmonic balancer fell off,damaging the crank,fuel injection trouble,front wheel bearings,you name it.I felt that I was the one doing the R&D for them.Never again will I give that company any of my money.Since then we have owned Chevy's, Ford's and Jeeps and never have had the troubles that that car subjected us to.But if you ask the wife what was her favorite car we had,it was that Damn VW! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 79Tique
Date Posted: April-03-2007 at 11:17pm
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My wife and I have had 4 VWs, 3 of them have been the TDI (Turbo Diesel) engines. We live in a area that results in a lot of long distance driving and the first TDI Golf went a little over 315,000 miles, second was a TDI Jetta it only made it 278,000 miles before we wanted another Golf. The Golf we have now has 172,000 miles on it and we have had trouble with a power window switch. All of the cars listed above had or have less than $1500.00 in repair costs out side of scheduled mantainance. We do change the timing belts every 80K like the owners manuals say to. The one gas VW we had was a Passat that we sold because it only got 29mpg on the high way (not good enough for us) we did not have it long enough to find about any troubles. I have heard that people have some problems with the gas models, but our TDI cars have been great and we get 50-51 mpg on the Hwy and 40-41 mpg around town. With all of them we change the oil every 10,000 miles. I do notice that European vehicles seem to be built to be maintained not just driven year after year with out opening the hood. I think if you understand that they can treat you well though. ------------- Work to live, not live to work. |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: April-04-2007 at 12:02am
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A friend of mine had a VW diesel Rabbit when I was in high school. He used to put $8.00 worth of diesel in it and it would last him 2 weeks. He used to take the damn thing off-road, beat the F out of it. That was a tough little car. From what I have read VW isn't building a very reliable car these days. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-04-2007 at 9:31am
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no they sure are not , if you punch in 1.8 volkswagon turbo you'll see why, there is a huge class action law suit going on because of it, engunes are failing with 30000 miles and they wont cover them under warranty.
everytime this car breaks its a minium of $300.00 for parts. this passat will be of the past very soon. now i know why i wound up with it. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: April-04-2007 at 7:32pm
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79Tique- I tend to agree with you,I have owned several English cars and have now had my MGA for 25yrs,but how do you maintain sealed front wheel bearings? How do you get the injection system to work when the dealer can't?Who checks the harmonic damper on 30k routine maintainance?None of the dealers in this area are in business anymore that were around in VW's early years,why is that?I agree with boat dr over engineering, in Eric's case their trying to get more power by using turbo's and multi valves when a small v8 would do nicely. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: April-04-2007 at 10:41pm
So are those AMC Pacers. They're all over the place! ------------- Mullet Free since 93 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=717&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 95 Sport 1978 Ski Nautique |
87BFN owner wrote:Posted By: 79Tique
Date Posted: April-05-2007 at 12:22am
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I think every car company has some lemon cars. My Mother had a 1999 For Taurus that was a total chunck of crap. It blew a head gasket at 40k and the transmission need to be rebuilt at 90k Ford's only gave the car a 30k warrenty. My Dad had a 1990 Ford Aerostar AWD 4.0 V6 that blew it's head gaskets at 85k and that vehicle was built so that you can't get the heads out through the hood. The transmission and final drive had to be pulled and the motor dropped out the bottom. When the dealer had the vehicle running again the bill was almost $5000.00. WITH 85K ON THE THING!
I had a 1995 Chevy Turbo Diesel Truck that produced a little over $9000.00 in repairs before 100,000k (not impressed). I know that the 1.8 VWs have problems but they do have some great cars available today, but I no longer consider gas cars an option now that I have had had such long service and efficient milage from our diesels ( not just VWs) my Cummins diesel trucks (Dodge) have proven very good as well. My point is that every car company has produced some crap motors, but at the same time can have others that are choice vehicles. Our TDI Volkswagens really do get around 50mpg, last for about 300K and are powerful enough to pull a mountain pass at 90 if you like. I have no brand loyality when it comes to cars but the TDI's have been great for us. If I have trouble with one in the future I will shop for somthing els. Also if you are looking for good mpg the best I know a small V8 to get is 25mpg. Escorts are dependable and get ok milage but they are gutless slow and if you wreck they don't do much to protect you. The VW cars have 8 air bags and crash pretty well, I have seen it as I'm a volunteer EMT on a local ambulance. My all time fovorite vehicle for traveling, camping and pulling a boat was a 87 Ford econoline van with a 300 I6 in it. Fun to drive in a strange kind of way, lots of room for a bed and with the 300 it got around 20mpg on the highway. The 302 in my Ski Tique seems awsome! So I know Ford has made some great stuff and some crap just like every auto maker. ------------- Work to live, not live to work. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-05-2007 at 10:32am
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79, i dont understand how a car that gets 50 mpg such as the TDI can be stopped from being imported because of emissions, I know that car does get 50 mpg and that means it has to be burning all the fuel at that rate and not producing emissions.
I would say 80 percent of Europes cars are diesel power and we will catch up, diesel technology has increased 10 fold in the last 20 years and really, who would of thought that ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 79Tique
Date Posted: April-08-2007 at 10:00pm
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They did seem to put out a bit of sulfer carbon when they are cold or idle for a long time, like it would in city traffic, but now that all the diesel is 15ppm sulfer that seems to be gone.
It may be a conspiracy. ------------- Work to live, not live to work. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: April-10-2007 at 6:34pm
| Man eric those valvs look nastyy. My lil bros neon did that for the person we baught it off of but we picked it up fixed it and made 1000 bucks off it. Whats wrong with porsche boat dr. They dont have timing belts;) although an oil pump for my 1973 911 was 800+ bucks and now it has a new home before i needed to rebuild it haha. Damn was that a fun and good looking car though. |