1966 mustang/new owner
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Topic: 1966 mustang/new owner
Posted By: oneilthree
Subject: 1966 mustang/new owner
Date Posted: May-20-2007 at 11:01pm
My father and I just bought a 1966 mustang with a v8 motor from a neighbor. He has owned the boat for quite some time, I know at least 15 years. We tried for 4 years to get him to sell us the boat. He finally gave in after what appears to be a failed attempt to restore the boat. The previous owner started by removing carpet, emblems, gages and other minor parts. Now it is our turn to attempt the rebuild. I started with this site and I am not sure if we did the right thing or if we have jumped in feet first with no life vest. I say this after seeing some of the rebuilds on boats from the mid 8os. My father and I are able to work on projects such as this. I plan to provide pictures after the up coming weekend. If anyone has tips on how to evaluate this boat please let me know. My main concern is the floor system, seals and basic mechanical functions like steering, throttle and trans linkage. Any help would be great. or  ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-21-2007 at 9:32am
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Eric, The first thing you will need to do is check the condition of the stringers for rot. There are some fantastic threads on the subject here. Just put in "stringer" in the quick search feature and do some reading.
Congrats on getting the boat and welcome to this great site. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: May-21-2007 at 3:38pm
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8122pbrainard,
Thank you for the reply. That dreaded word that seems to haunt many of the others on this site has appeared. We have already talked about taking the floor up and checking its condition. As before I hope to post pictures after this weekend. Keep monitoring this post for updates. Thanks Eric ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: May-21-2007 at 10:00pm
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I happy to see someone else with a '66. What engine do you have? Keep us posted and welcome to you. ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: May-21-2007 at 11:15pm
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Jim
I know it is the v8 interceptor but not exactly sure of the cubic inches. I think we will be the third owner? I am looking forward to doing more research this weekend. I am glad to meet someone who I can ask questions. Hopfully you can assist us with this process of figuring out what is original and what has been creativly added. Pictures coming soon and then all can share in the joy or our coming "stringer" doom. No matter what it will be fun and thanks for the reply. ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: May-21-2007 at 11:32pm
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oneilthree,
Being an Interceptor you probably either have a Ford 260 or 289. Both sizes were offered. There is a buttload of parts available for that engine. Keep in mind that the engine rotates in the opposite direction of a car engine and many parts, like the distributor, alternator, and starter, fuel pump, and carb must be "marine duty" rated and are not interchangeable with auto parts - but many other parts are. As far as old CCs go I give mine an "average" rating in appearance. Even though, when I pull up to the marina guess who's boat gets all the stares and "ooohhss and ahhhs"? I get comments that range from "cool boat" to people hollering from the bank "what year is it"? I get many comments on "how nice it sounds". You're going to have fun with that '66. It won't be the fastest boat around but it will turn heads. Jim ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: May-21-2007 at 11:47pm
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Jim,
Good information to begin my investigation process. I can remember seeing this boat for the first time and thinking how cool it looked and sounded. The beauty is when we get frustrated with possible repairs we have another boat to take out and renew ourselves. Thanks for the words of encouragement. ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: May-23-2007 at 10:00pm
The distance between the bell housing bolts will tell you if it is a 260 or 289.
 ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: May-23-2007 at 10:20pm
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TimD,NOT, cant tell you the year they did the change, but the 289 H/Moody had a different bolt pattern than the 1973 Waukashaw 302 I "tried to install.
I guess what i am saying is some 260/289 sbf had the same bolt pattern and they are not interchangable, so this is not a sure fire way to determine size. Casting number on block behind or close to starter will tell you engine size.There should be a data tag on the bell housing w/info of original motor ........boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: May-23-2007 at 10:27pm
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Tim,
Thank you for the reply. I will measure the bolts and get back to you for help if that is o.k. Your boat looks great. I hope my father and I can bring our back to glory. Our boat is a burgandy shade. I am looking forward to the start of our project this weekend. ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: May-23-2007 at 10:31pm
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Boat DR,
I will also try to locate the tag. With all this information I should be able to determine motor size. Thanks for the help. ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: May-23-2007 at 11:37pm
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I think the 260 and 289 have a different number of bolts. ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 2:41am
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Finally, pictures of the boat. I hope you enjoy what I think will be alot of work.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb187/oneilthree/july07072.jpg http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb187/oneilthree/july07073.jpg http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb187/oneilthree/july07074.jpg http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb187/oneilthree/july07075.jpg http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb187/oneilthree/july07077.jpg http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb187/oneilthree/july07078.jpg ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 2:51am
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edited out pics ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 2:56am
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Be carefull with the windshield . You dont want to try to buy a new one . The throttle control is not original . It should have a foot peddal with a selector lever to the right of the steering wheel . It looks like a good boat to start a project on . Good luck . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 2:56am
I am trying to figure out this picture thing.
I got it worked out. Now to the good stuff. 
I told you so! My wife talking. 
So far so good, I think. 
O.K., now would be time for great words of wisdom. It is all here now my turn to do the work. ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 3:00am
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Your starter could very likely be automotive . But im only going by the different color . Your ski pilon is also not original , although it is a nice one . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 3:05am
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Yes, the people who we purchased the boat from had it for a long time. I am sure they customized it from time to time. Once we uncover the surface I am sure the real problems will appear. Any advice is welcome. ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 3:16am
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Cool way to lock your trailer , but somebody is going to steel that ladder . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 1:18pm
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That's a 260 Interceptor without a circ pump. A friend of mine has the same motor, same color,same low style intake in his '66.
and for Boat dr's reply above, I switched from a 260 to a 302. I know what I'm talking about. The 302 has a closer bolt pattern on the bell housing than a 260. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 2:41pm
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oneilthree, having the original seats is worth a gold mine! They are impossible to find. Just have a good upolsterer remake as original. Be sure to keep them. If the seat frames are showing their age have them repaired or rebuilt.
It seems some folks here move the battery out from under the driver's seat which seems like a good idea - I may try that myself. When you need a steering cable consult Woody at Southwest Correct Craft - he saved me grief. The problem is CC has a funny policy about buying from local distributors and our local distributor was not near as knowledgable as Woody. But I had to buy from them anyway so therefore, Woody, sadly, ends up working for free. Woody, if you read this send me your address and I'll add you to my Christmas Honey Baked Ham list. I doubt that you have an automotive starter - it would not turn in the correct direction. My '66 also has the same throttle controller as yours except mine does not have the t-handle. Not all '66s had foot pedal control. It is definately a 260. I would not spend a dime on that engine. If I had mine to do over I would have replaced with a 302, knowing what I know now. There is reference to an engine rebuilder on the forum that sells a rebuilt marine 302 for a very reasonable price. I think, in the long run, a rebulit 302 would be less costly than rebuilding the 260. The 302 should be a bolt-in except for the bell housing. I am not sure what would be involved here. Anyone? TimD? ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 3:38pm
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oneilthree, Pat is correct about the single handle shift/throttle. It is aftermarket so you will want to get rid of it. You can see where the shift was to the right of the wheel and then it would have had a foot throttle.
How's the hull looking for spider cracking or blistering below the water line? It has been painted so you may need to look real close. If hull problems had been corrected before painting then you may not see anything now. If the repairs were done incorrectly then the cracking can come back to haunt you! Befor you jump in and re power with a 302, you need to ask yourself: how original do I want the restoration? I wouldn't discount the 260 just yet. It was a sweet engine and no big problems to my knowledge. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 4:35pm
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Hey pbrain, if you are correct about the shifter and foot pedal, and I don't think you are, where would you suggest a replacement foot pedal and shifter with cables be found?
I'd hold off on getting rid of the "after market" shifter. BTW, my '66 has what is obvious a factory installed Morris control. ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 4:50pm
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Jim, Look again at this picture. You can see the modern T type single lever that is usually put on outboards and I/O's and never CC's. You will also note to the right of the helm a hole for a shifter and the F, N, and R emblems. With the shift on the dash, the only option on the gas was the floor pedal.
Finding these will be a problem but he can start looking on ebay. I will also link him to a company that handles old Century parts. They too used the dash and floor set up on some of their old Resorters. 
Jim, Can you see it now? oneilthree, Start here: http://www.classicboating.com/ - possible source for shifter and foot throttle  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-24-2007 at 5:15pm
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oneilthree, You may have looked through the Diaries already but if not here's a link to some great pictures of a Best of Show 66 Mustang with a 260 in it. Also please note your wheel is not correct ether. It would have been a 2 spoke white plastic or a 3 spoke stainless with wood.
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1133&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1965&yrend=1967 - 66 Mustang ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: July-26-2007 at 12:35am
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Guys, in regards to the bellhousing differences between the 260 and 289, the 260 has a 5 bolt housing while the 289 has a 6 bolt. You may have read that the very first 289's like thru 1964-1/4 or whatever, also had the 5 bolt pattern, but this was quickly changed and I've never seen one. See this chart and maybe it will aid in identifying this and other engines. http://home1.gte.net/res03net/faqs/block.htm - http://home1.gte.net/res03net/faqs/block.htm
I've also seen some of the older Interceptors like this that had either 260 or 289 stamped on the starboard front side of the front cover. The single lever Morse control is listed as an option in many of the older CCs in the Ref Sect, with the pedal being standard. Jim, good to hear from you buddy, and welcome to CCFan, Eric. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: JMurph
Date Posted: July-26-2007 at 1:31am
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Hey Eric,
Welcome to the site. I can't add much to the discussion taking place about 260 vs. 289 bolt patterns. I can say that you struck gold by finding this site. I am also on Lake Gaston. So is WATERDOG and ATMSLTR (Sp?). I'll be tracking your progress and looking for you out on the lake. If you ever see my '79, feel free to flag us down. We love to meet people on the lake. -JMurph (John) ------------- |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: July-26-2007 at 3:35am
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Thank you ReidP ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-26-2007 at 8:25am
Thanks Reid, I stand corrected that the single handle Moorse was a option but that is not what is in that boat!! Jim, look real close this time!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
reidp wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-26-2007 at 9:27am
Jim, Since you want to beat a dead horse, I was able to lighten up the picture so you can see it better. This is at least a 80's I/O or outboard control as I have mentioned.
The wheel probably came out of the same boat. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: July-27-2007 at 12:41am
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Thanks to all who gave info. I will use it all to start my project. We got a rubbing off the block (GT21R526252). Most are saying this is a 260 block do these numbers confirm this? ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: July-27-2007 at 12:47am
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Do you see anything like C6 which would be '66,or C5 which would be '65. Not uncommon for the block and heads to be different years. I was told back then they bought surplus and used them until they ran out. I think my original motor was a 65 block with 64 heads. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: oneilthree
Date Posted: July-27-2007 at 12:51am
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These are the numbers we found first. I will try and locate what you are refering to. What would these numbers mean? ------------- See you on Lake Gaston, NC |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-27-2007 at 7:41am
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Tim and oneilthree, I think the letter in front of the numbers tell you the engine size. then the next two numbers are the equipment code that tell you things like which trans and water pump they put on. The R is for reverse rotation and the following number is the year (1965). The rest of the numbers are the serial #. The Interceptor code explaination I have is pre 65 but I will check it when I get home. I want to see what it says in the equipment code. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: July-27-2007 at 8:43pm
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I was refering to casting dates. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-27-2007 at 9:01pm
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(GT21R526252) This looks like a engine ID number to me. I could be wrong but it does fit the info I have in my Interceptor manual.
oneilthree, The engine # should be stamped in the front engine cover above the tach (mechanical) drive housing. This is it. 
Edit: If the number is off the front cover, then the first number 21 is the equipment code. Per the manual, it says that it has a Velvet drive 1:1 # 70, has a Sherwood water pump and Mallory ignition. I also think the "G" is really a "C" that is cast in and not stamped in like the rest of the ID. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |