I want to learn how to barefoot!
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Topic: I want to learn how to barefoot!
Posted By: wannabeSS
Subject: I want to learn how to barefoot!
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 9:16am
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Ok so I've thought about trying this for a while, but watching the guys at my riding spot makes me really want to give it a shot. The only thing is, they have nice padded wetsuits, and ill be in board shorts and a jetpilot vest, which is not much protection at all. I'm sure it's going to hurt when I wreck, but I want to try anyways. Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to get up and what not? ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
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Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 9:23am
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I'd say at least go & get a pair of padded barefooting shorts, they're meant to be extra padding underneath your suit, but they'll help you to figure out if its really something you can/want to do, without spending a couple hundred on a BF suit...u do it in boardshorts, & you'll have the cleanest rectum around. hahaha I'm not really the best person to give advice on how to get up as i just started last summer, so hopefully one of the other guys here will help u out... Good Luck!!
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 9:58am
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Well SS, back in the early days, before they even invented the suits, we would go out with just a life belt (not life vest). Find someone with a boom. It makes learning to bare foot easier. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 10:18am
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One thing to be careful of when wearing only a vest is the wipe outs can be pretty hard if not done correctly, if you hit the water hard feet first your vest could end up moving up your torso or completely off.
Like Pete I also learned stepping off a ski with only a life belt on so it can be done just be careful and make sure your driver and observer are paying attention and best case is get a boom or find someone with one, much easier to learn that way. Check out Lane Bowers website, he has tons of instruction and video available to help you learn. http://www.thefootersedge.com/index01.htm - The Footers Edge Good Luck!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 11:25am
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Wannabe,
I think I have posted this twice before when this came up...but since you are relatively new and probably didn't see it, I thought I'd share it one more time. Learning to barefoot prior to barefoot suits, booms and all that other stuff that real men don't need.
And actually it can be done this way without all the significant investment. When you get the hang of it and decide you like it, then go buy the suit and maybe a boom and so on. But trust me, the rewards and rush of learning "the old fashioned way" can't be beat. Jbear and a few others will back me up on that one. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 11:26am
And don't forget to grab the "jewels" on the first face plant  Best of luck to ya !!!
Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 11:39am
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You really need to find someone with a boom. I've taught an eight year old to barefoot on the boom in half an hour. I also learned the old fashioned way and that just plain hurts too much. Like Quinner stated, check out the footers edge for basic body position and technique. Practice that technique on land and then try it on a boom. If you were located near Winter Haven, FL I would be happy to take you out and teach you. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 11:44am
True, Eddie, but it makes you appreciate success that much more. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 12:15pm
Exactly!! Go Longline!!! it hurts for a while, but when you finally stand up, without ever using a boom...greatest feeling ever!! Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 12:36pm
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Boom is the way to go!
But, if nobody you know has one & you're going to try it with just the board shorts & vest, I'd say go the kneeboard route (That step-off always scared the chit out of me! ).
Sit on the kneeboard, squeezing the nose between your legs. On "hit it" lean back and get your feet up on the nose quickely. This puts you close to the 3-point staring position and you can raise up from there. We beat ourselves up plenty trying this off old 150hp outboards. You still need to be careful of the falls though, when the neck/arm/waist openings of that vest catch the water its rough! 
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 12:41pm
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Learning barefoot with the right equipment is extremely easy. I've taught several people how to foot on the boom within a couple tries. The right equipment and DRIVER is crucial though. Definitely try to find a barefoot suit and boom. You don't need that much speed learning on the boom, and you don't need to let go in a fall, which makes it painless (fairly). I'm a firm believer in the "superman" tumble-up position for teaching on the boom, rather than a boom step-off or a "deep" style start using the boom guy cables. The "superman" method seems to catch on the easiest for beginners. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 12:44pm
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This is a great tutorial page for footing:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~tdreyer/howto/howto.htm - Footing Instructions ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Darrel
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 1:46pm
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What everyone else said...
Idle over to the guys near your riding spot, tell them you are interested. Most barefooters will be more than happy to give you some instruction and a pull....if for no other reason than to see a rookie faceplant. Especially if they already have the boom out. |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 5:11pm
I'm checking out those sites now... The guys have a malibu barefoot edition and they are pretty good, they dont have a boom though. I've taken some nasty falls on a wakeboard and almost knocked myself out a couple times. I hope falling that close to the water wont be as bad as from 6ft up  ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 5:40pm
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I just had an idea, will my shorty wetsuit be enough protection to keep from cleansing my colon? ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 10:23pm
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it'll sure help, not a barefoot suit, but it's definitely better than board shorts...
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-14-2007 at 11:14pm
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Larry: Sure did enjoy seein' the old pics again. Always brings a smile. I am glad for the way I learned, but feel that if an easier method (boom) is avalible why not take advantage of it. When we learned....few could foot.....for good reason. Now it is avalible to lots more people.
BTW: I like the speedos. Had lots of them myself. Eddie: Sure wish this this guy was close. Best rush of footin' is to be able to share it...well maybe the second best rush! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 93/70 ccpb
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 12:56am
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hey wannabe ss,it is best to start the old fashion way,stepping off a ski,so that you can get the feel for it,i had two of the best teachers from the west shore water ski club in ohio.(the famous jbear and his brother bill,and also my dad,they were ruthless on us teenagers,me and my brother(14 and 12 at the time)they keep timing us and would let us quit until we got a minute on the stopwatch,i still have the plauque on my wall to remind me,that was 30 years ago,im still barefooting, but not as much as i used to,dan in ohio, ------------- what you dont want to hear from jbear and bill.you cant get in the boat till you get your minute,and they throw you back in water! |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 1:31am
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Dan: It is nice to be remembered. I bet we had more fun with it than you guys did at the time. Sure is nice to have that plaque on the wall now tho. Wish I could help your son learn. How is the project boat coming?
Please remember to say hi to Scott and your Dad for me. Hope to see you guys at Norris someday soon! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 9:05am
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How much would a suitable ski cost to step off of? ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 9:07am
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$0. Pull one out of the trash. The flatter the bottom the better. You don't need a heel on the binding either. eBay is your friend with used waterski equipment. You should be able to score a good used barefoot suit for under $100. You only need one of these for deep water starts however. ------------- |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 9:57am
Last summer, I graciously gave Ken an old drop ski I had had, literally for decades. I wasn't sure I wanted to give it away, even though I hadn't ussed it in years. You never know when my son might be ready to give it a shot, or someone else. Well the old adage "no good deed goes unpunished" did not hold true. A couple months later, I spotted a combo set of old wood Northlands in someones trash pile along the road, and waa-laa, two "brand new" perfectly good drop skis for me. Keep your eyes peeled Wannabe, and I am sure you will score as well. If I could be so bold as to post another old post I have posted before, here is a video of a buddy and me. Shows step offs, deep water, and 2-ski jump out. Wannabe...pay no attention to my buddy wiping out when trying to drop his ski...I'm sure that won't happen to you. (har - har) http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/lhine763/?action=view¤t=tj-tlh-91.flv"> 
If you do go the step off route, a key thing is to get low into the "sitting in a chair" position. I think you can see that in the video pretty clearly. Also, minimize the motion involved in getting the ski off. Before you drop it, while your back foot is still on the ski, scooch your front foot back out of the binding (heel piece off) as far as possible. That way you just sort of flick the ski off with out having to make any radical movements that mess up your balance. Think smooth, rather than quick and abrupt. Good luck and keep us posted. I know I speak for everyone when I say I wish I could be there to watch.  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 12:39pm
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Heck, I'll add my video too. Nothing impressive, but it shows a few novice techniques to use.
http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l112/M3Fan/?action=view¤t=EarlyFooting.flv - Footing Video, starring M3Fan ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 6:38pm
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Those videos got my confidence up big time, I'm gonna give it a shot deep starting it, if I can't get it, then I'll look for some skis. Ill let you guys know how it goes after riding tomorrow. ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 8:27pm
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Larry; Thanks, luv them old videos. Wish it was me stepping off right next to ya. Just seeing it get me charged up. Really enjoyed the "grave jump". Used to be my signature trick. Liked to jump low so it was ski to feet, always tried for no spray. Missed one last summer and my neck still hurts. Maybe no more of them! Enjoyed the deep. Haven't done one of them in a few years so gotta try a couple at Norris this July.
Thanks as well to you Joel. Who was the brave lady trying the one-footers? john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 8:35pm
That's Joels wife, Beth. I tried to barefoot for the first time last night as well, so its funny that this thread should come up. I was trying, as someone called it, the superman method, (on the boom) but I couldn't quite get myself turned around onto my butt. After some email advice from 81Nautique today, I've determined we were going to slow. I was trying to "spin" myself around at everything from 24 or so to 30. I almost had it at 30, but when I fell I got a horrible cramp in my right leg, so I called it a night. Maybe a little more speed and I would have had it. Glad I didn't though, 'cuz 24 hours later my leg still hurts pretty bad. My calf muscle looked like it had a tennis ball attatched to it for a few minutes. Oh well. There's always next time 
Rob P.S. After watching some of the videos, I've determined I have exactly ZERO desire to try to step out of a ski! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7744" rel="nofollow - 2006 Ski 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1123" rel="nofollow - 97 SNOB |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-15-2007 at 8:47pm
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Rob: I swear, with the correct instruction, stepping off is WAY easier than bouncing around beating yourself up on that boom. You can easily step-off hanging onto the boom. Couple of years ago I taught a 67 year old guy that way. I know you can too.
Cool to see Rob's wife on the boom. Mrs.jbear used to foot that way. Gotta love them ladies that will try anything on the boat with ya. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-16-2007 at 12:04am
John, that's my wife! ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-16-2007 at 3:22pm
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Ahhhh....senior moment. Sorry. I gotta read these posts better.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: June-17-2007 at 9:34am
Rob, We'll be getting to Green Lake thursday so if you want a private lesson we'll find some good water and have you up in no time. Once you get it you'll wonder what took you so long. Ps, Dana and I still want to head your way sometime in August so start thinking about planning a weekend. See ya soon. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 10:09am
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I second the opinions that stepping off is sooo much easier than deep ups. Stepping off, using a boom is a walk in the park. I've been footin for 31 years and still have troubles with deeps. I've got a bruise on the inside of my knee the size of a softball from yesterday's deeps. But like jbear said, the coolest move is the two ski bombouts. Haven't done one of those since last Thursday.
And don't hesitate to ask for a ride/help from other footers. Most footers love to teach. Having a full cooler in your boat doesn't hurt either. Good luck! ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 11:01am
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OK wannabe, so how did it go? We're waiting on a progress report, especially with pictures, if available. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 12:25pm
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Hey Larry,
We've been using the CCF drop ski. Brad's (Barracuda) a mad man with that thing! BTW, I will be on Mashpee/Wakeby this Saturday. I may or may not have my boat. We'll see what the weather is like. Maybe I'll see you out there! Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 1:19pm
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Ken,
I'd like to hook up with you guys sometime. If you got room for one more,let me know. I don't mind making the long trip on a week night, I can get an early start. If you go out on weekends, I could do that too. I can be down at Mashpee Wakeby this sat. You gotta get out on the water early on weekends to do any skiing, it gets messed up pretty quickly. If you are lucky and its not a super hot day, the lake also settles down weekend evenings. You coming in friday night by any chance, could do that too, usually quiet on weeknights, I plan going out tonight. Let me know your plans. 508-367-4122 or email. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 2:32pm
Eh i worked late saturday and it was nasty out sunday so i had to ride an hour north to go out on my friend's boat to board and forgot my wetsuit. It's gonna happen sometime this week  ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 2:47pm
"ooops forgot my wetsuit...darn!!!"  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 4:28pm
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Larry,
I'll keep you posted about Saturday. My boat goes in for service on Wednesday morning at Webster Lake (Action Marine). Hopefully I'll have it back by the weekend. We'd love to have you join us at Lost Lake. Plenty of room for one more. We'll keep you posted with our dates, times, etc. Sorry for my thread-jack. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 6:16pm
I'll definitely take you up on that. I tried for a while Sunday morning. Got closer, but still not yet. I think part of it is neither Dena or I know what we're doing. Yesterday I learned why you should have some sort of padding on your butt. I have a bruise about 8 inches across, right on my hip/butt. Classy. We'll start looking at weekends in August and let you know. Can't wait for GL! Rob ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7744" rel="nofollow - 2006 Ski 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1123" rel="nofollow - 97 SNOB |
Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 6:27pm
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Some of the best skiing water at GL is at the back of Norwegian Bay. Along the sides and behind the reeds that mark the sand bar. You can safely run inboards on plane behind the sandbar. Just behind the reeds it drops off to 5-7' deep before it gets really shallow where we swim with the little ones.
Of course, it depends on the amount and direction of the wind. HTH -Steve ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1868&sort=&pagenum=1 - 62 Classic http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5242&sort=&pagenum=1 - 2002 Super Air |
Posted By: tnplicky
Date Posted: June-18-2007 at 8:36pm
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Enjoyed the videos!!
Just got a new boom.... mainly to help teach the kids to ski, but inevitably I will also have to try barefooting again. I managed to do it a number of years ago several times with some friends who had a boom. Also got up once with a deepwater start. In my VERY limited experience, I think a barefoot suit is the way to go. A cup isn't a bad idea either. I had a few falls where I thought my parts became detached. What is the formula for footin' boat speed? I though there was a baseline speed, then tack on 1 mph for every 10 lbs over a given weight !?!? What speed is recommended for 190 lbs ? |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 8:33am
The old addage is divide by 10 and add 20. In your case 39MPH. On the boom you can go a little slower for learning. Probably about 35-36 I would say. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 8:54am
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The faster you go, the easier it is. Trust me. If your weight is 190, you should be going 40+.
If you want to make it really easy, find some flat bottom gym shoes, Chuck Taylor high tops work best. Then you can reduce your speed by 5-7 mph. ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 10:18am
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Forgive me for being an old fart who keeps harping on the way we did it in the old days, but this guidance is amusing 40 years later. Jbear and I were on the phone last night talking about how we learned to barefoot with out wetsuits, booms, training videos, or anyone else to show us how. All I had was this high school library book (which I still seem to have for some reason...I hope Miss Spadafora isnt reading this or I'm going to be stuck paying a late fine of about $47,000)
The book was written in 1966 and told us everything we needed to know to learn how to barefoot. 247 body slams/face plants later...we had it. I particularly like the description of jumping out of two skis..."simply land on your feet and ride away like that"...of course, why didn't I think of that? 
 ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 10:36am
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75
That is a scream. Don't ever let go of that book. I also learned the old school way. 1977, I wanted to go on a slalom run but my brother wouldn't pull me. I asked him if he would drive if I tried to barefoot. He said "hell yes, your going to kill yourself!" With my mom as an observer, me wearing jean shorts and some cheesy life jacket, I nailed it on the 5th try and went 1/2 mile down the lake. To this day, I have not felt a rush like I did that morning. Like that book says, there is nothing like being on top of the water without skis. ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 11:14am
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I tried for 2 summers behind a 1996 Yamaha WaveVenture 600 cc waverunner. The pontoon obviously wasn't fast enough. Never was able to figure out the deep or step off.
Finally after buying the '88, I got the step out. What a rush once you realize the ski is gone and it's just barefeet. No boom, no teacher. It was me, the water and my face for quite a while. Almost all my ski buddies are now footers as well. ------------- |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 12:02pm
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I learned off a 16' starcraft with a 90hp merc. No one to show me how, I just kept seeing these 2 guys behind a 78 nautique doing it I had to learn how. Spent a whole summer planting my face trying to step off. Finally got it one day while trying to step off we were running out of lake and my buddy turned the boat sharply to the left, shot me out the right side of the wake which shifted my weight properly and off I went barefooting. After a year of beating myself up and pealed back eyelids that rush was incredible and I still remember it like it was yesterday. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: JHadji
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 2:05pm
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Stepping off a ski (like the pic in the book) is GUTSY. I tried for a while before I got a chance on a boom. Even on a boom it's a major rush the first time. Course I got cocky and stood up too tall before (wham!). No worries though, 2-sessions of physical therapy got my neck to turn again!
Got me itching to try a long-line step off again. ------------- 1988SkiNautique2001 |
Posted By: scottb
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 2:29pm
| When I was learning to barefoot, I face planted hard enough that I ended up with a bloody nose. And what did they have to say when the boat came around to pick me up? Awesome man, your nose is bleeding. Cool! |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 2:50pm
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Larry, I am with you as well on old school, my first barefoot run was stepping off a ski behind my folks Tri Hull with a Chrysler 70hp O/B wearing a ski belt and cut off jeans, this was around 1976 or 1977 when I was 12 or 13. One of my buds at the lake had learned how and said you gotta try it, so off we went. Used to ski with a guy who always wore shoes, never let him live it down and gave him enough grief he eventually ditched em.
Scott, used to ski the Fox River below the Chain, every now and again we would do endurance runs in the afternoon, came away from those a few times with black eyes from trying to ride over/through huge wakes. All good fun!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-19-2007 at 2:57pm
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I ruptured blood vessels in my eye from a barefoot fall once. Skiing in way too rough of water. I knew it was time for the emergency room when I had blood on the pillow coming from my EYE. Still doing it though... ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: June-20-2007 at 2:12pm
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This is starting to sound like a barefoot injury thread.
One ruptured eardrum & One broken ankle from using a regular line instead of a no stretch barefoot line on a beach start. Dragged me down the beach and when I hit the water the rope stretched about a mile. If I'd have hung on I would have been ok but I let go and the handle cracked me on the ankle. That's before we knew there was such a thing as a barefoot line and barefoot suits and shorts. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: June-20-2007 at 3:18pm
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Alan,
Did pretty much the same thing once except the handle hit the top of my foot, swelled up and hurt like hell! Learned my lesson and never used a standard line or let go on a deep again!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: July-09-2007 at 11:37pm
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My grand father passed away last week so it's been hectic. I gave it a shot today, actually about 10-15 shots. I can get up on my butt, but I can't steer myself into the flats. When I tried to stand up in the middle of the wakes, I would just fall. ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: splash
Date Posted: July-10-2007 at 11:13am
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Wannabe,
If you can ride comfortably on your butt, just lean your cheeks & thighs the direction you want to go. If that doesnt work, are you using a 100 foot rope rather than 75? If not, get the longer rope or a 20 foot extension. That will help put you in the smooth water between the propwash and the wake. Best spot on a smooth morning is just outside the wake if you can manage to "cheek" yourself over the wake. Good luck with it and sorry about your loss. |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: July-10-2007 at 11:33am
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You can cheek out as Splash says by just leaning on one butt cheek toward the side of the wake you want to get to. If you don't quite make it, immediately lean the other way to go out the other side then. Also, have the driver only pull you about 25MPH until you can get outside the wake. It's easier to cheek out at a slower speed. Once you get out the wake just wait for some speed before you try planting your feet to stand up. If you still have problems getting outside the wake, the driver can make a quick turn of he wheel to help you out. If you're trying to get out the starboard side, they make a quick 90 degree turn of the wheel to port and then back to center. If you're trying to get out the port side, they can make quick turn of the wheel 90 degrees to starboard and then back to center. You'll kick outside the wake with no problem. Just wait for speed once you get out.
------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: July-10-2007 at 12:04pm
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Wannabe,
First off, sorry about your loss, my Grand Father passed earlier this year, I miss him. If your able to get on your butt and ride, you've got the hard part down. These guys know what they are talking about when it comes to "cheeking". But if you can't get out of the wake, find someone who owns a Barefoot Nautique. No need to cheek. There is no prop wash and it's choice water strait behind the boat. If your ever in MI, there is a pull with your name on it. ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Johnny
Date Posted: July-10-2007 at 2:59pm
| Backfoot is right, having the driver whip you out is the easiest way if you can't cheek. Some other things that I remember helped me when I was learning...Once you think you're up to speed wait another few second just to make sure. I remember being so anxious to get up I would always go early. Also, set your feet into the water nice and slow. If you watch an experienced footer they can just slam em in cause they know what they're doing, but when learning you have to take it slow and easy. Doing those two things was the only way I was able to get up when I first started. |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: July-10-2007 at 4:27pm
Thanks for the condolences, he was really sick for the last year and a half so it was kind of a relief to him and the family. But anyways, i'm riding on my 75' spectra line, ill see if i can throw some of my ski line extensions on there. One of the problems I was having was that I was using my brothers wetsuit, which is a little big. The legs kept riding up and made it hard to steer. I'm gonna use my suit next time. Also I took some serious water in the nose even when I was holding my breath, gotta blow out I guess. Last night I had a headache and two ear aches, I didnt think I was going to be able to sleep, still feels like I have water in my ears  ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: July-10-2007 at 4:46pm
Do yourself a favor and go to Walgreens in the first aid section. There is some waterproof Nexus or Nexcare (something like that) clear tape. It's 3/4" wide and a roll is I think 7 yards long. Buy that and tape up your nose. Wipe off the sides of your nose first and have dry hands. Run the tape (about an inch and a half long) from the side of one nostril around the bottom of your nose and up the side of the other nostril while you pinch your nostrils together. Put a second piece on the same way. You'll be able to sleep at night! It doesn't prevent water getting in your nose but it does prevent getting your sinuses pressure washed. It'll feel kinda weird at first but it works. Trust me. Ask Jbear. He found out too. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: July-10-2007 at 7:16pm
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Also make sure to tilt your head as far back as possible until you get on top of the water. You'll find that you can keep your nose out of the spray. ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: July-11-2007 at 12:59pm
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Nose Clips & Cup always in my boat! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: July-11-2007 at 1:37pm
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Can't tell you how many evenings I got home with my head feeling like a full fish bowl. Despite the fact that that feeling was indicative of a great day out on the water, those precautions you offer are a good idea. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-11-2007 at 1:58pm
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Don't spoil yourself by only getting up on the curl. Lengthen the line 20' and you'll be fine on the table.
I'm going to start taping my nose. ------------- |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: July-11-2007 at 8:12pm
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I'm gonna get the precautions and give it another shot soon as I get out on the boat. My ears STILL feel kinda plugged ------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: Shaunvr
Date Posted: July-13-2007 at 7:37am
Hey WannabeSS.
Feet around the rope....Hit it...Chest out, throw your head quickly far back as possible. Bring your hands up almost under your chin, Hands spread wide on the handle, (get a 'foot handle they are wider) this spreads your now bent arms out like wings and use them as early planning and stabilizing surfaces. (It's only when you sit up do your hands move close to your stomach with your elbows tucked in.) Hands high, arms spread, chest out, and head back should all create a vortex around your head, you will feel it, there will be no water around your face.. it's at this stage that I even open my eyes cause you can see this blanket rushing over you chest and hands which looks real cool... Good luck ------------- 2001 Air Nautique - She's a beauty |
Posted By: wannabeSS
Date Posted: July-13-2007 at 10:14pm
------------- 96 Camaro SS #1157 84 Ski Nautique, fat sacks, fly high pole 06 LF Fish 125 06 LF PS3 137 |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-14-2007 at 7:12pm
no Having the pull from your stern will make you swap ends. Gentle on throttle, Big arch back (d1ck-to-moon) mash handle atop your quads. plane out on back, pull up knees, gently lay flattened feet atop water, 3-point till speed builds, pull feet up under rear, push down. elbos never move. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Shaunvr
Date Posted: July-16-2007 at 9:15am
Isn't that why you put your feet crossed over the rope???? You telling me I been doing it incorrect for the last 25 years? You learn something new every day. National colours for 'footing now worthless.
You gotta move your elbows away and out, once correct speed is achieved, or you don't stand up. wannabeSS Here is a link to http://www.frontiernet.net/~tdreyer/howto/front_deep.htm - How to Barefoot with photos. The only thing I do slightly different,and this is purely a pre routine setup, is to get my arms up higher and my elbows out, in the very early stages of the pull out. They are only out there for a few seconds to assist in stabilising my body during the first stage. I have found that if I toss my head back hard and don't keep my elbows out, my body tends to come out like a cork, quick and rolling around, which then takes a little while to regather and settle. You would also need to be Rambo to keep them up there all the way thru' the pull up. The power of the boat in any case will pull your arms to a natural position, so don't try keep them out there but offer some resistance for the first 2 seconds.
For us it's full throttle or nothing.I don't like spending any more time under water or on my ass, than I have to. Our boat gets up to speed in no time, so the quicker I can come out, stabilize, and stand up, the better. Take what you need from it. Find a routine that suites you best, as long as your end result is skimming along barefoot. ------------- 2001 Air Nautique - She's a beauty |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-16-2007 at 1:06pm
backfoot, are you strong enough to do this? Sounds pretty unpossible to me. ------------- |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: July-16-2007 at 3:31pm
I gotta agree Hollywood. I certainly couldn't do that. As soon as you hit it, you gotta keep your arms as straight as possible and the handle sitting right on your thighs (or for those that have shorter arms, the handle will be smacking your cup if you're wearing one). Ya'll know what I'm talking about. When you sit up then you get that handle tucked into your waist and hold it there until you stand up. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: Shaunvr
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 5:43am
I don't know about unpossible.... maybe impossible. However, if you numb nuts had just read further.....
yes you tuck the handle into your waist, but you can't stand without stretching your arms out. The second your feet start dragging along the surface, you stretch your arms out. 
Frankly I couldn't give a toss how you get up, I was merely offering advice for those who haven't yet mastered barefoot. Hollywood you progressed from the boom yet, use that old knee board to get up, that way you wont bruise your precious butt. ------------- 2001 Air Nautique - She's a beauty |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 1:27pm
Thanks for the pictures, the chin part must happen so fast the photographer was unable to capture it. ------------- |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 1:54pm
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I learned the front deep at GL. I'm used to dropping a ski. The front deep was pretty cool. Took me about six trys to get up.
I still have half of Green Lake up my nose. Mike told me to blow, which I did, but I used my mouth not my nose. I didn't swallow any water, but water jetted up my nose. My eye balls felt like they were going to pop out on Saturday night. Lots of head pressure, but it was worth it! I now know. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 3:42pm
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Maybe SV could also tell us all about "Back Deep from the Pole", my guess is that is his specialty!
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 3:49pm
Numb nuts? Hollywood's precious butt? What's going on here? 79, did you move to South Africa? Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 3:57pm
Ken, go back read my suggestion earlier in this post to use waterproof tape that you get at Walgreens. Works awesome and you'll never regret it. I've been skiing with JBear and have him doing long line deeps that he hasn't done for years because his sinus's would be shot for days. Everything is fine as long as he uses that tape. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 4:02pm
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Eddie,
I'm all over that tape. Very simple fix. Thanks for the suggestion. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 4:11pm
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Sorry Shuanvr - I gotta agree with these guys.
When I saw "bring you're hands up under chin". I was picturing poor wannabess's arms getting ripped out!
But, don't get upset, everyone's very cool here (well, most everyone). Sometimes it's tough to get across what you're trying to say using a keyboard. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-17-2007 at 4:24pm
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Or him catching a toe, hanging on, and his head ending up in the handle.
I'll give you up to the nipples, that's about it though. ------------- |
Posted By: Shaunvr
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 8:03am
What? now ya wanna feel my man titties???? Yep, you right it is about nipple high.. You see I got no neck so my nipples sit just under my chin  ------------- 2001 Air Nautique - She's a beauty |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 11:57am
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As long as you shave your chest, I'll close my eyes and won't know the difference. ------------- |
Posted By: Shaunvr
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 12:30pm
LMTO  ------------- 2001 Air Nautique - She's a beauty |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 12:59pm
Ya, if this was 1978. Rope is just tucked between the arches, else a beginner will not get their feet out of th eway fast enough and twang the handle off their forestep till they are a pulp. I was instructed by a multiple -time national overall senior champion, don't assume everyone else is a hack. If you like to brute force it for 25 years go ahead. I prefer technique and its irresponsible to advise beginners to go full throttle, etc. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 1:58pm
Funny you should mention this GottaSki. My best buddy back home did this. He always hooked his heals over the rope. I tried constantly to get him to just keep the arches of his feet on the rope exactly for the reason that you stated. After he busted his foot when the handle smacked it he finally got the picture. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 2:33pm
SV, guess which one I am??? This was from Sunday morning at Green Lake. Like you Eddie, I always advise the arch but nobody listens.
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Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 3:34pm
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feet crossed, or even just arches it's most definitely still possible to crack your feet. I did this JUST ONCE when i first started & was having trouble coming out of the water...started getting pulled under, let go, OWWW!! haven't done it since; though i don't get dragged under anymore either, so that helps. Even now though when i let go i Open the legs wide & let the handle slide on through, haha
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 3:36pm
Oh well, old habits die hard. Any more pics from Sunday morning? ------------- |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 3:42pm
Nate, I tried long line deep start last year with Tim and Brad. The second the boat started pulling, my feet would point towards to sky and I would start to get sucked under water. The rope loads up pretty good at that point. I haven't tried it since, but I'll give it another go. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 3:56pm
You're lucky you were able to let go. I believe Larry (75 Tique) has commented on getting the handle stuck in your waist after your legs come up and over your head, all while submerged. I also find it's easier to keep yourself straight with just your arches on the rope instead of your ankles. Tim, I've got a few more pics but I'll wait for the FTP to upload them, don't want to hog the GL thread. ------------- |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 5:16pm
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A quality low-strech rope material like spectra instead of poly is quite helpful.
------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 5:37pm
Been whacked myself, one time is all it takes, I still cross over the rope just NEVER let go!
Cheeking also helps particularly if you are running with multiples 
Then you stand it!! 
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: July-18-2007 at 5:45pm
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I know Tim and Johnny had a wacking issue at GL. Tim grew a second elbow and Johnny got some marking in his leg. It's all fun and games until you lose an eye.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Shaunvr
Date Posted: July-19-2007 at 10:29am
Can't remember saying "cross your ankles over the rope"........oh yes,, that's because I didn't you HACK
WOO HOO, There's a Noddy badge on it's way in the post for you!!! 
nlm .Y ------------- 2001 Air Nautique - She's a beauty |
Posted By: Shaunvr
Date Posted: July-19-2007 at 10:36am
Hey Hollywood, you look great in white, it's really your colour. ------------- 2001 Air Nautique - She's a beauty |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-19-2007 at 11:58am
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I look great in all colors, save all your bullsh*ting for another site. ------------- |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-19-2007 at 12:36pm
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Shaunvr every time you open your mouth, you remove all doubt. Well done. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: July-19-2007 at 12:46pm
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first run of the season tonight boys. I've got some work to do for next year (hopefully to foot with u guys @ GL), but we'll see...hoping for some glass at the lake tonight & hoping the shoulder doesn't come apart.
(Also bringing my glasses along, because I'm pretty sure ill be losing my contacts in the lake & done feel like driving home an hour & 1/2 with basically no vision) Can't wait!!! i think i'm gonna try something like this tonight... http://youtube.com/watch?v=ACJJ7bFpqSw - Barefoot Video Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: July-19-2007 at 4:12pm
Swimming goggles....may look a little goofy, but sure saves on contact replacemnt...been wearing them for years. Another plus is you dont get water behind your lenses making you virtually blind out there anyway. Good luck with those 1 foot 360's. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: July-19-2007 at 4:31pm
Larry- don't they fly off when you bail? oh yeah- I've seen you foot- you don't bail too often... btw- tumbled up a few times last night- thanks to Benj and Keith for the in boat instructions and Ken for the email tips too ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: July-19-2007 at 5:27pm
haha yeah, I was thinking of starting with the backwards, one footed slalom like the video starts off, then right into a couple of those front flips. Maybe, who knows though.... riiiiiiight
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |