learning to foot
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Printed Date: January-15-2025 at 9:37am
Topic: learning to foot
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Subject: learning to foot
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 7:50pm
Pic of my brother learning to foot with instruction from Mike at GL.
Pics of him footing once we got home and have had a little practice.. 
I plan on getting some more pics this week end as the camera batteries went dead when I started to foot this was all she could get. 
I should have known better then to go out and not have changed the batteries after GL. |
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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 12:03am
James - that's sweet! Good job guys. Next comes short-line  I'm sure you have, but take a good look at that video we got from Mike. I've found it very helpful.
After GL I've been footing as much as I can with Brad (Barracuda), Tim (TRBenj) and Larry (75tique). With the help of those guys I'm now very comfortable at the short-line. Last night got up long-line, deep-start for the first time. It can beat you up but sure is a lot of fun. -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 1:01am
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Keith
We have moved to the short line off the bar. Just no pics as the camera was dead. Jake as had more good smooth water time so far and has progressed to deep up start off the bar off the short line like Ken did when Mike was with us at GL. We have not had time since then to get out. But we will be out this week end. Glad to hear your footing is progressing as well. ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 2:28pm
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I got up footing longline the other day - for 2 seconds. The wipe out rang my bell a little, lol. It was the first time I ever tried to foot, learning it oldschool, no boom.
I have no problem getting to the butt glide, I'm having problems cheeking outside the wake, any tips? Also, I only have slalom ropes, how much difference would a footing rope make? I think it will help with the bouncing that happens sometimes, no? What is the difference between a wakeboaring rope and a footing rope, they're both low-stretch, right? Also, what's the formula to figure out the right speed to plant? I'm 180 lbs. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 2:45pm
Mark- Handle position is key here- glue it to your hips. Pin your knucles to your suit and keep the handle there till you're ready to plant/ stand up. You can spread your elbows out wide and use them to brace yourself as you lean over for the cheek out. Don't sit up too straight- keep leaning back a bit. Another thing that helped me was to start leaning in the desired direction as soon as you start coming out of the water. That will keep your momentum heading up and over the wake. Good luck Remember to tuck your chin in when you feel you're about to fall. Didn't do that the other night and still feelin it 
weight/10 +15 then add a couple more when on the long line. I would think 37 would be okay for you. I'm no expert here, just passing along some tips since I just went through this learning process. -Brad ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Mark Mel wrote:Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 2:51pm
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Mark Mel
The no stretch rope is definitely the way to go. The wakeboard rope is typically on 75 feet a barefoot rope is usually 100 feet, the extra 25 feet helps alot. I think you can find the plant speed formula at I want to foot post. ON another note my brother and I progressed to the 100 long line deep ups on sunday. By the time the water got smooth enough for us rookies to give it a go and have a chance at getting up it was to dark to get a pic because of the distance from the boat. It took a few tries to learn how long to wait before trying to sit up and then get up on your feet but we got it. My brother made it outside the wake through a turn then back inside the wake on his own after the turn... Thanks again Keith and Alan for asking us to participate in the barefoot clinic at GL it has helped us greatly. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 2:57pm
This is technique and will get easier with practice. Get atleast a 90' low-stretch rope and you can butt-glide and stand up all behind the boat.
HUGE. Get one immediately, too many reasons don't even know where to start.
Not really, you're bouncing on the stern rollers. Your sitting position technique will also make a difference here. Wearing an extra pair of wetsuit shorts underneath will help smooth it out and get a little more on top of the water.
Same stuff, "footing" ropes are usually 20' longer.
Eh, most of our speedos don't work very well anyways. I've always heard: Weight/10 + 20 for longline. Technique will come into play again here. A beginner will plow much more water than an experienced skier, thinking they need more speed to get on the water. Your foot positioning and how you support your weight will make a big difference. ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 3:25pm
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Thanks for the tips, we're using a gps for speed and I think I was trying to stand at 37.
I will try to get a footing rope soon. Trying to do this on the cheap, I got two footing suits, a pair of lovely neon barefoot shorts and another shorty wetsuit for $33.50 on ebay. ;) Hoping to stand for more than 2 seconds by the end of the season. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 3:43pm
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When cheeking out make sure you are not laying flat once you are on top of the water. You want to sit up and bend your knees while resting your feet on the rope. When you are in the correct glide position (butt on water) you should be able to let go of the rope, and it will not pull out of your legs.
Contrary to othersI start footers out (after learning on the boom w/5ft lead) with a 45' rope which makes the initial cheek out a lot easier. This also puts you in a nice soft spot just outside of the wake. Tim |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 3:45pm
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Mark,
I have always used the weight x 10% + 20 formula for long line, in your case 38mph. If you really want to get outside the wake your driver can assist with this, while on your butt glide (around 20mph) have the driver swing you out just enough to cross the wake just as they are throttling up to speed, can be tricky to do or may take a little practice so they don't whip you too hard out and then right back in if you wait too long. Like Hollywood said get a longer line and stand up just off the white wash of your wake. Cheeking requires leaning on right cheek and pulling in slightly with your opposite hand to turn right or vice-verse to go left. Another tool to work towards your deeps is sitting on a kneeboard and standing up from there. Toughest part can be keeping the board under you at the start, sit towards the front and wrap your legs just above the ankle around the tip of the board, boat in gear helps keep everything in place, have driver accelerate slow/steady up to about 18, get stable on the board maybe move forward just a bit more and outside the wake, when ready signal to throttle up to speed, the more you plant your feet the more the board will rise almost standing you up. Another advantage of this technique is less water up the nose. Good luck ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 3:48pm
Kneeboard is OK but an old wakeboard is much easier to get up on too. If you are bouncing a lot you need to sit further fwd on the board. I would always rather teach on a kneeboard/wakeboard longline because a good driver/skier can spot most mistakes before you are up to speed. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: jdkenyon
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 4:35pm
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The speed isn't as critical if you have the correct technique. I normally run somewhere between 39 and 42 (wherever the wife can get it settled in at) and weigh about 190 with the barefoot suit on. Yesterday she didn't speed up as fast as normal but I planted anyway. I knew it was too slow but I made it with lots of spray. After the run she told me I was crazy for planting at 32. I think keeping your speed on the slow side will really help you from getting too sloppy. My dad learned to barefoot behind at a boat that could barely hit 35 with him behind it and he was in the 220-230 range at the time. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1955 - 94 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 5:44pm
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The tape on your nose trick that Backfoot mentioned works great. We used it sunday, end result remove tape blow nose twice and no fish bowl effect. Thanks again Eddie. ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 5:48pm
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Oh, one other question, assuming I do make it up, how do you stop? Other than a spectacular fall that is.
Just let go of the rope? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 5:51pm
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I let go of the rope, then place hand on oposite shoulders, and then lean back. SEems to work pretty well, as once you let go of the rope you sink pretty fast. Leaning back should put you safely on your butt and keep you from face planting. Some of the other guys will have some better imput I am sure. ------------- |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 5:53pm
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Bend your knees until your butt touches the water, then lay down on you back, lift your feet off the water and let go of the handle. You'll slide along on your back and gently glide to a stop. ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 5:55pm
No problem Jim, glad it worked out for you. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 6:00pm
While we're sharing ... here are the results from my first day of long-line. Did this while trying to cheek outside the wake. My feet got caught in the wake and flipped me forward, rope and handle nailed the inside of my knee on the way out. Did manage to get up that day however, after a short rest in the boat.
 ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 6:16pm
I usually tell people to count to 5 once they are up for the first time and let go. Two reasons: 1. You get tired on your first run. 2. Its a lot easier on the skier to let go and find out what they are doing wrong rather than hold on, loose their form and faceplant. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 6:20pm
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I'll try the count to five thing and lean back, assuming I can make it to five ;) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 1:14am
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Wow does that look nasty Keith. I always worry about letting go of the handle and having it hit the top of my feet. Saw a guy do that once and the handle just opened up the top of his foot.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 1:27am
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JBear is right on, don't know if that was mentioned earlier in this thread but you really don't want to let go on your deep starts, learned that the hard way and it hit my foot and broke a couple bones. Take your time, no need to over accelerate, only learn on good water with the proper gear and it's also a good idea to run through you projected pass and scan for debris/dead fish/etc. in the water before proceeding. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 1:40am
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Forgot about the dead fish quinner. Hit one as I passed our dock lookin at the dock to make sure everyone saw my grave jump instead of watching where I was goin'. Those fish bones can go pretty far into your foot. And the dr I went to didn't believe how I got 'em. They can make a real good infection too believe me.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-07-2007 at 9:26pm
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I got a couple so so sets in this morning, storms started blowing in. I got some pics I hope to get posted tonight or tomorrow night. Footing is in the forecast for sat and sun. Pregression is coming along nicely.
Keith that looks like it really hurts, glad to hear you got up that day though. I agree the 100 of long line behind the boat is a new ball game compared to the boom off the side of the boat. ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:07pm
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Well, I officially have no problem getting to the butt glide. I can ride all around the lake on my ass. So I'm not yet a footer I'm more of an asser. I can not for the life of me cheek out. I think/hope it's due to the 75' slalom rope that is putting me in a spot on the wake that is holding me in the center. I can feel it when I try to move out, feels like I'm stuck.
I'm getting an offical 100' rope today. I hope that puts me in a better spot on the wake. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:24pm
Boat speed could also be playing a part. How fast are you going when youre assing around? ------------- |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:30pm
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I agree with the speed theory. Keep the speed down while trying to cheek out.
Yesterday, I had a friend of my son's learn to two ski on the boom and an hour later, he was footing on the boom. What a great teaching tool. Lefty ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:34pm
LOL, "so what did you do at the lake today?" "I was just assing around" I would guess that I'm just coming up to speed. At what speed should I be cheeking out? By the way thanks for all of the great suggestions in this thread. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 1:45pm
You should be able to cheek pretty good ~25mph. ------------- |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 2:19pm
Shorten your rope to 22 off with the slalom line, you will get it no problem. Try it. ------------- |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 2:27pm
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My limited success with cheeking out has been to lean back and ride on your elbow. Also, don't wait. Cheek out as soon as you can.
Good luck! -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 2:43pm
Leaning back can cause you to bounce which = out of control, FYI. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 2:46pm
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You may just want to start just off the table like where Hollywood is (white suit), cheeking out is really not totally necessary.
To cheek see how much I am leaning in this shot, once you get over the wake you need to be ready to stand quickly or you may just get sucked back in. 
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 2:51pm
No doubt Tim. I meant just when cheeking. I need to lean back more than when trying to plant and ride my elbow outside the wake. I hear the bouncing issue however. I have the this problem once I'm outside the wake and am getting ready to plant. ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 3:22pm
The problem with telling people to lean back is that they tend to stay leaned back once it is time to plant. Once they do that they drop their feet off of the rope and crash while trying to plant. When I teach, the need to get to a sitting glide position asap, and I take care of getting them out of the wake for the first few times, having a shorter line helps too. Going from the proper butt glide position to a plant is a lot easier. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 6:54pm
Here are a few shots of me long lining last Friday.
Here are a couple of my borther. 
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Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 7:16pm
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Hmm, so you just stand up in the wake? No cheeking for you? I guess with a proper line length the water's fine for footing back there. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 7:19pm
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You guys got some great looking form there, nice work! ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 7:23pm
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It helps to have a BFN ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 7:24pm
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Hey James, you guys have come along way in a little over a month, keep it up and keep watching that video.
------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 7:36pm
Maybe, maybe not. In that last photo, it looks like a very turbulent table. Partially explained if thats a 75 foot rope. Some boats offer a particulary smooth area between the propwash and the wake, especially with a 100 foot rope, that is an exellent spot to ride. Edit: upon a second look, that could also be attributed to the fact that the boat is in a turn. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 8:10pm
Trust me, that table is sweet. No need to cheek on that boat. ------------- |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 8:11pm
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See that spot on the last pic where it says 9-07-2007. That is the sweet spot. Try it. ------------- |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: September-10-2007 at 8:30pm
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James
You and Jake are looking great. Keep it up. We hit White Lake yesterday. First time in the boat since the surgery. Water sucked, but not behind the boat. Taught a kid how to two ski on the boom, and within an hour had him footing on the boom. I'm the DD of the boat, that also sucks. 75 trust me, behind the BFN is choice. Just enough turbulance to massage your feet. But, a 90'+ rope is a must. Lefty ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 11:04am
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Nicely done guys. In a little over a month, that's great progress.
------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 11:51am
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Looking good fellas.
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Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 2:10pm
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Wow, very nice improvement since GL. You guys must have a new found appreciation for the Barefoot Nautique. Keep up the great work.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 6:34pm
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Thanks for all the props guys, I can honestly say i don't think we would be this far along had it not been for the trip to GL.
Yes we are running a 100 foot tac line plus handle. Speed was right about 36-38MPh according to the speedo. All Pics of us standing the boat was turning to keep us in the best water possible as it was kinda chopy that day. Saturday the water was much better but my wonderful wife that takes the pics was not with us. ------------- |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 6:37pm
You can always tell who's wives look at CCfan. 
Lefty ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-11-2007 at 6:44pm
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Tull
My wife never looks at this site, she thinks I am on it to much as it is. But she is very happy that I found CCF, because if not for you guys she would not of had a three day sunmmer vacation with me at GL. I would have just stayed home and worked some more. Hows the arm? ------------- |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: September-21-2007 at 6:52pm
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87
Sorry I didn't reply to this post. The arm is good. I'm on my third and last cast. They keep opening up the angle of my elbow with each new cast. This cast comes off in three weeks, and then it's 2+ months of therapy. I'm going to look like some kind of sissy, doing those curls with a 3LB dumbell. The left arm is doing great, 12oz curls have kept it strong. Leaving tonight for the barefoot race in Big Rapids. Tested the drivability of the arm last night with some barefoot pulls on White Lake. No problem. The left arm worked well, doing it's job at the White Lake Inn . I hope to have some pics or vids from the race. I (or Brendan most likely) will post.
Lefty ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-21-2007 at 8:30pm
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Tull
Good luck to you and your team this week end. I though about trying to make it up there, but work wont let me. There are alot of guys off work this week end due to the youth deer hun this week end. We have several projects scheduled to be done this week end. Sounds like 18 hour days at work both days. I going to try to get out and foot saturday right after work then sunday before I go back to work. ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 1:27pm
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Well, I can now cheek out and I've been up a couple of times on Friday. I pulled my tricep on one nasty header and now have a nice swollen lump on the back of my left arm, but that's going down. Today I woke up with a nice bruise developing on the inside of the same arm. The good thing is it doesn't effect slalom skiing, or footing for that matter until I fall like that again. But boy what a rush. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 3:09pm
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MM- A couple hard falls on the long line sure does teach you respect for the sport. I took a pretty nasty one yesterday practicing one foots on shoe skis. Even at 32 mph it rang my bell pretty good.
As for cheeking out- If you don't get out on your first try, just stand up between the prop wash and the wake- either side and you'll be fine. Tell your driver ahead of time so you're not assing around for half of your run trying to give him the thumb up signal
http://bradandcheney.net/Brad%20Long%20Line%20September%202007.wmv - to cheek or not to cheek ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 6:32pm
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Barracuda,
How long of a line are you running off of. That was some good footin. The water was perfect. Sorry no new pics yet, birthday's, work, and my sister announced she was getting married. So hopefully this week end we will hit the lake. ------------- |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 7:30pm
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Here's some more video from early Friday morning - It starts with Brad (Barracuda) and Tim (TRBenj) running tandem long-line (this should have been three long-line but I just couldn't stand long-line that morning). At the end of the video is my first one-foot short-line.
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/Downloads/B_footing9-21.wmv - Barefooting - 9/21 -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 7:33pm
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That was a 100' BI line. I know, it's like a mile long, but the water is real nice at that point behind the 86 SN.
-Brad ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 8:46pm
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Brad, 100' was wondering from the video it looked shorter. The two man run looked like you guys were having a good time.
Question, you guys make crossing over the wake look so easy once your up. Don't kill me to bad, but any pointers for this. ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 8:57pm
The lines were shorter on the double run- probably 75-80'. ------------- |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 10:55pm
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Yep- In the first video, that was a 100' line. For the doubles run, we used shorter lines because they were exactly the same length.
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Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 10:59pm
Looks like amazing water. Nice footing guys. Nice wake crossing and even a tumble from Tim. Almost makes me want to foot more often! ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 11:12pm
Just smile for the camera
Maintain good posture (low with shoulders rolled back) and you should be just fine. Hope you have good water this weekend. ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-24-2007 at 11:50pm
That's 6:15 am, late September in New England. No boats, no wind. -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-25-2007 at 12:13am
Do it again tomorrow morning Keith? ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-25-2007 at 1:55am
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See you at 6:15 tomorrow morning! ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-25-2007 at 2:23am
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I hope for good water also this week end. Brad thanks for the tip I will give it a try. ------------- |
Posted By: Johnny
Date Posted: September-25-2007 at 10:23pm
| Nice videos guys, keep em coming |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-25-2007 at 10:57pm
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Here's one of Larry and Tim tandem earlier this season:
http://bradandcheney.net/Larry%20and%20Tim%20Jun%2007.wmv - Good ol Boyz ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: September-26-2007 at 2:27am
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Man ...was that sweet...cool music as well. Thanks for sharing.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-26-2007 at 9:26am
And no tubers!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-26-2007 at 2:18pm
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We have plenty of video from this barefoot rookie season for Brad and I - including some really great falls. With the help of Tim, Larry and Glen (great footer on Brad's lake) we've come a long way. I'll be putting together a highlight/lowlight video next month (after Columbus day). Hope to get in one more session next week before the lake starts to drop.
-Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-26-2007 at 7:59pm
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Brad, cool video. I think this winter a digital camera will be my wife's x-mass gift. She will be more into going skiing that way. ------------- |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-27-2007 at 11:45am
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Check out the Sony hard drive cameras- they are very easy to use and make the editing/ sharing process very easy.
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Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-27-2007 at 5:47pm
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Brad, any model I should look closely at or just sony in general? As I would love to add some of my brother and I's high lights and bloopers to the site. ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-27-2007 at 6:00pm
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If you are looking to mount the camera to a pylon mount, you should stick with a mini dv camera.
Panasonic makes some nice mini 3CCD dv cameras with Leica lenses. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-27-2007 at 8:49pm
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Mark, I am not going to mount the camera on the pylon. It will be held by the watcher. ------------- |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: September-28-2007 at 1:52am
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True, the hard drive cameras don't like vibration. We tried an improvisd pylon mount the other day and the camera would just quit when the vibrations go too bad. I guess you could insulate the camera from the mount with a peice of rubber tire or some neoprene...
Sony DCRSR62- Highly recommend it. You will want to get some decent editing software too. I use Adobe Premier Elements. ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: September-28-2007 at 12:32pm
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Hey guys, be careful with the mini DVD cameras. I bought a Samsung DVD this spring for summer recording because of the ease of editing but I don't like it. Any little bump and you get a write error and lose the scene you were recording and then have to reboot the camera, a real PITA. I should have returned it and gotten something else.
I like the hard drive cameras but they are more expensive and still have problems with bumps. Seems the mini tapes are still a good option and very inexpensive ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-28-2007 at 7:09pm
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Will, the hard drive cameras work if someone is holding it? Or is that still to much vibration for them. ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: September-28-2007 at 7:37pm
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From what I've read the main advantage to the Hard Drive cameras is the ability to transfer to the pc at greater than 1:1.
In my opinion, not worth it. I like to have tapes. They won't crash. Plus think about what some server rooms use for backup media - tape. Digital media take up a lot of HD space. So, your only copy is on an HD, then you have to worry about it crapping out on you. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: September-30-2007 at 3:25pm
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Well another week end has passed with no good footing time. Thursday the water was glass, but no one to ski with. Went out friday morning, windy as hell no water worth footing on. Saturday and this morning water was glass again but no one wanted to get up and be at the lake by 6 am. That way I could be to work by 10:30. ------------- |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: October-01-2007 at 12:37pm
MM-True that video takes up lots of Hard Drive space, but it will regardless of the cameras media if you plan to edit/ post it. Hard Drive storage space is very cheap these days guys- .50 a Gig- Go out and get yourselves a 250 or 500 Gig external USB2.0 drive. I suggest you re-visit your back up strategies if you are concerned with a crashing hard drive. Have a reduntant drive- it's worth the couple hundred bucks! I'm happy to help you guys with this stuff. If you want some tips- shoot me an email -Brad ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: October-01-2007 at 1:40pm
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Oh I have an external drive. I was just saying that I don't think I'd like an hd camera. Having to keep all that video on a hd is what I don't want. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: October-01-2007 at 4:39pm
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Really it's whatever works best for you and your situation.
For me, the hard drive camera saves a big step in transferring the video to my PC, something I do with all my video for editing and compiling. I simply connect my camera to my PC and it's a external drive full of video files. This works great for me. Again, it all depends on what you plan to do with the video. James, the hard drive camera works fine with someone holding it. Only had the one issue when we mounted it on a tri-pod that we strapped to the ski pylon. It didn't like that but we'll figure a better solution next season. I snow ski with mine all the time, sometimes recording while I ski. Never had an issue. -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: October-01-2007 at 7:08pm
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Thanks for the info, as x-mass is coming sooner then we would like. ------------- |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: October-06-2007 at 11:19pm
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CCFans,
I am a big-time lurker on this site, reading almost everything, and posting almost never. However, I thought that you should know that this thread, and all the barefoot talk in general here, convinced me to give it a go this afternoon and I was able to complete my first two barefoot runs (~100ft & ~500ft). Big thanks to Quinner for the kneeboard technique. I don't have a boom (yet) nor any specialized gear, so that seemed the most doable way to learn. It took some trial and error, but I am very glad to mark this first in 2007 (especially since the boat is probably coming out tomorrow for the season). Thanks! |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: October-07-2007 at 9:20pm
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Hansel,
If you tried footing and it sounds like you had a good start for the first time with no boom. You may find yourself leaving the boat in a little longer. ------------- |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: October-08-2007 at 12:53am
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87,
Thanks! It turns out the boat will be in for one more week before it and everything else get pulled for the season. However, I don't think that the weather is going to be quite as nice next week, so tonight will probably be the last time I am behind the boat. I wish I had gone for it earlier, but I guess that I'll just have to take a six month hiatus. |
Posted By: Johnny
Date Posted: October-08-2007 at 4:20pm
| Congrats Hansel! If you keep up with it next season, you'll be addicted just like the rest of us. Footn is by far my favorite thing to do behind the boat. Where are you located? Obviously another northern guy if you're having to take your boat out. |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: October-08-2007 at 6:20pm
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Oh, don't worry, I am already addicted. It is funny because no matter how hard you fall, you still want to go one more time despite telling the people in the boat "This is the last time, and then I am good."
You have guessed correctly that I am a northern dude; my family's place is in southwest MI. Unfortunately I was away working all summer, but due to all the heat I have been able to be on the lake 3-4 days a week since late Aug. Here is a shot of my last run yesterday. I guess I'll just have to make it to GL next summer to get some pointers, as there aren't that many hard core skiers on my lake. 
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Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-08-2007 at 6:33pm
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Hansel,
Good job man, the kneeboard IMHO is the very easiest start long line, glad it worked for you. Which lake are you on, used to hit many different lakes in SW Michigan, Paw-Paw, Gun and various in and around the sisters lake area to name a few. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: October-08-2007 at 6:48pm
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Thanks Quinner. The kneeboard technique worked great all things considered, and now I am looking forward to next spring and learning to get up on my own.
Our place is on Hutchins Lake, in Allegan Co., not too far north of Paw Paw and Gun (~30-45min). It is ~375 acres and kind of shallow, but is a great lake overall. It's major failings are mandatory slow/no wake times before 11AM and after 7:30PM and the current lack of a ski course, both of which I would like to fix, but realistically I think I can only perhaps remedy the latter of the two. |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: October-09-2007 at 12:49am
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NO wake before 11am how do they expect you to barefoot. Tell them you have a CC at barefoot speed there isn't much of a wake. ------------- |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: October-15-2007 at 10:01pm
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Saturday when my brother took a short foot run behind the 2000 Air he said he noticed right away that the water was different behind this boat than behind the BFN. I knew it was going to be different but he wasn't expecting it to be so different. I thought it was funny. So now we have to get used to footing off the Air as well. ------------- |
Posted By: Johnny
Date Posted: October-16-2007 at 1:17am
I'm guessing he liked the table behind the BFN better? That's definitely been my favorite so far. If you guys don't like it behind the Air, I suggest just getting out on the curl, that's a sweet spot no matter what you're behind. |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: October-16-2007 at 1:34am
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Johnny, it wasn't a matter of not liking it. It was mearly different to him. With both of us having learning how to foot over the late summer months. Not sure he was quite ready for different. WE will see as time goes. We pretty much decided on the days that we want to foot we will use the BFN. The days everyone wants to goto the lake we will take both to the lake. Tie the BFN up at the dock until we are ready to foot. Everyone else can ski off the Air. ------------- |
Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: October-16-2007 at 12:04pm
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Man 87, you got some tough choices there! Let's see, do we leave the BFN at the dock or the Air at the dock? I hope you can work through your problems! ------------- Greg http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2427&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985" rel="nofollow - 86 BFN |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-16-2007 at 1:09pm
skicat, now that you actually have a CC you think you can come on here and shoot your mouth off? 
More boats, more problems...no wonder reid doesn't have any hair! ------------- |
Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: October-16-2007 at 1:42pm
Actually Dollywood, I have had at least 2 CC's for sometime now. The BFN made 3 until I sold the Ski Nautique. Get on back over to Off Topic & pick on someone more your age!  ------------- Greg http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2427&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985" rel="nofollow - 86 BFN |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-16-2007 at 1:46pm
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My apologies! I forgot about that '79 you recently got rid of. Anywho, I think I will be in Atlanta in May, maybe we can get together. What is the 3rd CC I am forgetting? ------------- |