GL-Thought you’d heard it all?
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Topic: GL-Thought you’d heard it all?
Posted By: reidp
Subject: GL-Thought you’d heard it all?
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 4:46pm
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Since Alan or Moj haven't enlightened everyone yet, and since it happened with my boat, I'll share this load of this CRAP with the gang.
Deep breath: Well, Marshall and myself headed back up to GL this past weekend to get the truck and camper and do some last minute terrorizing (more relevance later) with my blue Mustang. Had a great ride up with Alan and Dana in the Bounder after staying at their place Friday nite by the way. Anyhow, I pick up the camper and head to Hattie Sherwood while Marshall gets the boat launched by the super folks from the Shoreline Boat Center. Marshall drops the boat in, idles out of harbor, runs out in the lake a 1/2 mile to charge up the week battery and then idles back in only to be greated by Barney Fife and a siren (the same old codger cruising around last month)and is informed, and get this, that the boat is TOO LOUD for GL. Seems WI has a boat noise Ord. Marshall called me as I was required to be present as the boat's owner, and was subjected at the dock to a sound test with a "2000 dollar" handheld piece of equipment, held facing the transom just 5' away as I was required to start the engine at the dock. First crack of the engine at idle sent it to 87db which was over the limit of 86. Then it settled to 82-83 as it idled. "But you know this will be way over the limit as it runs at full speed," he tells us. So we were forced to pull it from the lake or at least not run it or get hit with a $175 ticket. We told him about last months event and all the older boats we had there. "Oh yeah, sure I remember you guys," he says. "Bunch of nice boats, but if I'd had my meter at that time, I'm sure we'd have written some people up." Then after we informed him that we've got even bigger plans for next year, he proceeds to concur that "...you won't be able to come back here next year", and "anyplace else in Wisconsin for that matter." What a jackass. Our take at this point is that back in July he knew he'd have an issue on his hands if he attacked us during the reunion, but saw the opportunity to make a statement with us/me this time. Unfortunately the deputy is missing the boat on who this regulation was actually set up to regulate. I asked him about all the old rumbling wooden runabouts living on the lake there, and he quickly said they'll be targeted as well. My butt. BoatDr called the state DNR who basically said they don't care how much $$$ we bring to an area, the law is the law in that the property owners spoke and didn't want loud boats. Another over-zealous shortsighted idiot. He also said enforcement was typically up to the discretion of the officer. So I called Bill (Chamber head) from the Bayview, and he was quite surprised and said he would talk to the powers that be. And basically said to not cancel reservations just yet as he thought smarter heads would prevail and promised to speak back with me or to Dave in the coming week, after he's had a chance to speak with others. Oh, one final point of ignorance on Deputy Dog's behalf; he actually asked Marshall and then myself if we were familiar with a Captain's Choice type exhaust system. He wasn't even familiar enough with an inboard drive system to realize that wasn't an option. With the way he described that they could measure the exhaust db, all the mufflers in the world wouldn't make some of our boats quite enough at full throttle. All you Wisconsin residents need to get a hold of your congressman, and request that a grandfather clause be put in place or something else that would help more accurately define the actual intentions of the rule, as well as the means for measuring the sound. Or maybe Bayview Bill can just convince Super Trooper to ease up for at least 4 days a year. I thought I'd heard it all............ ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 6:05pm
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So Barney plans on following all of us around next year and writing tickets one by one? He's going to have a hard time chasing 30 boats going in different directions!
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Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 6:19pm
He's got nothing else to do so why not. It's not just the ticket, he wanted the boat off the lake or he'd issue another one. Reid had just enough beers in him for he and I to brave a run later after Barney hung his boat up for the night though. 
I'm not sure what the outcome of this is really going to be but it will get addressed. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Hollywood wrote:Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 6:57pm
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Looks like the law is pretty tight, but not very smart, same level 86db is quoted at three different test conditions, although a 2 db deduction is to be made depending on what condition is used. Still a fairly new law and therfore no exceptions yet. 86db is generally a level used in a 50ft pass by test a dock test would add about 2 db to your level. I can't pass a 90db 50ft pass by test in my Mustang (NY law but I have never seen it enforced), depending on whats being tested here at the time I can probably borrow a sound meter for the next reunion, might be another leg of the bragging rights competition.
Not only was the guy a fife for suggesting that you use a silent choice system on an inboard but also suggesting its use at all since it too is illegal in WI unless it can be shown that the boat cannot be operated in an illegal manner in either mode of operation. I am pretty sure they should have deducted 2 db from the test at the dock since they were not at 50 feet but I haven't read the others SAE standards referenced lately just the J34a that they use here in NY. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 7:57pm
How about quinner blasts some Kid Rock at Barney while everyone takes off for the sand bar. Anyone that's too loud split the cost of that 1 ticket. ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 8:29pm
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Trying to find a good mix of some really loud wicked marine Exhaust sound for my Ipod to blast out the tower speakers (perhaps Tim could do a recording for me), initially I wanted it to compete with the great sound the old boats have however now I am thinking about how much I could f**k with Sheriff Buford T Justice with this!! What a crock!!
"Nobody, and I mean NOBODY makes Sheriff Buford T. Justice look like a possum's pecker" ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 8:49pm
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Reid , Thats a bunch of crap . I dont know why they wouldnt have a grandfather , for atleast all of the old boats that live on the lake . I do understand that there should be some kind of law for all those newer big boats with the open above water exhaust with the very large or even twin engines . These boats are very loud, probably way louder than ours .
So how was your trip over all ? I hope you had a good time despite the circumstances . Quinner , Whats a possums pecker look like ? And how would you know ? ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 9:27pm
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Reid, I'm going up north to put the boats to bed for the winter tomorrow. I will check it out but have a felling it is Barney Fife who is creating the problems at GL. The law, I'm sure is aimed at the straight pipe jets and the megaphoned hydros. It's one of those things that's up to the discretion of the enforcement officer to push it or not. It will be interesting what Bill at Bayview comes back with. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 11:43pm
That really pisses me off, and it doesn't even effect me directly. I spoke with 81Nautique about this the other night, and he said it was the same cop that was googling the boats at the sandbar on saturday, and then putted up to the pier to look at them on sunday. It seems like he would have something better to do than harass people that bring a lot of money into his little piss-ant town. I would venture a guess that the group of CCfans is probably among the safest boaters on the lake. Sounds like he just needs to get laid. 
Rob ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7744" rel="nofollow - 2006 Ski 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1123" rel="nofollow - 97 SNOB |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 12:29am
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They pull the same CRAP on us when we sled there also. Now we use their nice roads as we pull our snowmobiles THRU their state on our way to the U.P. of Michigan...
The Wi DNR site only states that a boat cannot exceed 86dbs. No reference as to who or how the test is conducted.Heres what I copied and pasted of their site........... Mufflers and Noise Levels: An effective muffling system is required for the exhaust of each internal combustion engine and the use of cut-outs is prohibited. Any boat operated on the waters of Wisconsin must be muffled to effectively reduce noise. Specifically, it is illegal to operate a boat that exceeds a noise level of 86 dB (decibels). In general, do not modify your factory exhaust if the result makes it louder! Loud boat noise not only bothers other operators and users of the waterways, it can also disrupt peace ashore because of sound's ability to travel great distances over water. Excessive noise can also prevent a boat operator from hearing other boats' sound signals and warnings and can prevent you from hearing approaching law or rescue personnel. ........ I hope Bill can help... I'm sure he's on our side..... HEY PETE, I know there are a LOT of WI registered boats that belong to the ACBS...What do they say? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 12:49am
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So where we meeting next year. Green Lake was getting old anyway. Would be great to visit another state/lake. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 12:53am
Do you think this boat would excede the db's?
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 1:07am
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I know I'm preaching to the choir,but what makes me mad is no grandfather rule. How can you be expected to comply with a law written 40 yrs later?Our older cars are exempt from such nonsense.I also understand the problem with the knuckleheads and their over the tramson cutouts but a simple year cutoff would solve that problem.Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, at least it was not dropped in our laps at the last second.I don't know if anyone noticed,but I do have mufflers on mine. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 1:24am
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Steve ,
Was this in what you looked up ? Or did you add it in ? quote In general, do not modify your factory exhaust if the result makes it louder! ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 1:29am
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Here is the ordinance we have on the Chain and the Fox river-
1. All motorboats shall be equipped and maintained with an effective muffler or underwater exhaust system. For the purpose of this Section, an effective muffler or underwater exhaust system is one that does not produce sound levels that create excessive or unusual noise, or sound levels that are in excess of 90 decibels when subjected to a stationary sound level best as prescribed by the Society of Automotive Engineers in its procedure J2005. 2. No person shall operate a motorboat on the Waterway in a manner to exceed a noise level of 75 decibels measured as specified in the Society of Automotive Engineers in its procedure J1970 from any point on the shoreline, or from any point on the water within 20 feet of the shoreline of the body of water on which the motorboat is being operated. July 2006 5. This Section shall not apply to: Antique watercraft, defined as watercraft with a hull that is more than 30 years old or boats which have been granted Heritage Watercraft Identification plaques from the State of Illinois. The Illinois registration number and, if applicable, the Heritage Watercraft identification number, shall be deemed evidence of the applicability of this exception ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 1:37am
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Pat,
That was right from the DNR site..... http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/statelaws/Wisconsin.html#Noise - DNR Site... 87 dbs registered on Reids boat... a WHOPPING 1db over!!! Geeeeeee... Would be interested to see what the % margine of error that $2000 meter has? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:05am
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In general, do not modify your factory exhaust if the result makes it louder! Basicaly the Wisconsin DNR is clarifying there statement. Either that or they are contradicting themselves . I would say that in a court that this statement would win it for any classic boats . BKH , You got any input on this subject or statement? I think the only one that would have a problem would be Trbenj. ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:06am
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Well....guess I am leaving the '80 home next year.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:13am
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So many problems in the world and we're enforcing a single DB!
Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:18am
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Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:22am
Maybe we can do somthing like this to the cop boats next year!!
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Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:28am
Pat, I assume you're asking from the perspective of my former career as an attorney. It's difficult to say how this would play out in a court. If I were the owner of a classic boat, I'd certainly make the argument you've set forth. I doubt that the language quoted above is part of the legislation. Rather it's probably part of some well intentioned advisory guide from the DNR. As a matter of practicality, the outcome in court will probably depend upon the judge you draw (not much different than when you appear in traffic court). These matters are reviewed in the lowest level courts. At least in CA this violation would be considered an infraction and thus it is likely one could not be represented by a lawyer unless the matter was taken up on appeal. Little of the decision is documented in these lower courts, and there is little precedent. Most people wouldn't spend the money to take this up on appeal. I did do a little research today, and it looks to me like many of the states that have adopted noise ordinances have specific exceptions for classic boats. The question is what is a classic? One state (I can't remember which) excluded boats made prior to 1961. Ultimately, it's probably best to work with a boating group, or a local group around the lake, with a collective interest to fight the legislation and/or fight how the law is interpreted. However, in the recent past, even this has not been effective. The offshore power boat association spent a lot of money trying to fight the noise ordinances at Lake Havasu. Ultimately they were unsuccessful and now must have mufflers on these powerful boats if they wish to use them at Havasu. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:43am
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Man I love BKH bein' on here...don't always understand all he says but I love the way he says it!
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:46am
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Thanks , Thats exactly what I was thinking. ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 4:36am
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 9:15am
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I just emailed a close friend who is the president of the Glacier Lakes ACBS chaper in Wisconsin and also on the board of the ACBS. I do know the noise issue came up several years ago with the ACBS nation wide. I'll see what Wil has to say and post it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 11:16am
Chuck, Today its one decible, tomorrow its two.... pretty soon before you know it , it'll be two and a half, or maybe even three.  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 11:21am
Yea, then the next thing you know we will all be forced into Bayliners--they're quiet. ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 11:31am
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Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 1:16pm
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This is exactly one of the reasons I wanted out of WI. The DNR has some real assinine laws that pertain to a lot of different recreational vehicles including boats, ATV's and snowmobiles. I got a $125 ticket from a DNR warden for not having an observer while skiing. Now keep in mind, this was in Oct. on a river on a Thursday afternoon. It's not like there was shore-to-shore boat traffic involved in the middle of the summer. The only other people we saw all afternoon were duck hunters (who didn't have PFD's)!!!! I also snowmobiled for years in WI until a guy I was riding with got a ticket for excessive noise from his exhausts. Then you add into the mix the numerous lake association a**holes that add additional no wake, noise and skiing restrictions onto their personal (as they see it anyway) playground. I had enough. Don't have any of those issues here. Loud and proud. Sunrise to sunset. No observers needed. Year round. No storage. No winterizing. No speed limits. No skiing restrictions. No LOA rules. Lifes a Beach!!!!
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Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 1:28pm
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While we're talkin noise....what about Harley's? Almost everyone I know has altered exhaust.... (removed mufflers with straight pipes) . Ive never heard of cops pulling them over for loud pipes... Im sure a
lot of them are over the 86 limit... What gives? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 1:54pm
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention from my previous post on page one. I got a warning from a WI DNR warden for doing a barefoot flying dock start from a pier. The only thing that prevented him from giving me a $150 ticket was that it was a new law that was enacted that stated no wake speeds within 100' of any dock. Virtually eliminates all barefoot flyers. No thanks. I don't need f****d up laws like that. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:14pm
Maybe you just needed a longer rope
Yikes! I guess the '90 wont be welcomed back in the state of WI next year. Even if classic boats get a grandfather clause, its not going to help me! I guess Ill have to bring something else. ------------- |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:14pm
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Backfoot,
We are able to ski on a private lake here in the KC area; which has been real accomidating till this year. My son and I were able to go pull each other skiing several days a week--very convenient. Now the local is making us put an observer in (even though we usually go out when there is maybe one or two other boats on the water). He also is making us quit my son's wakeboard starts from the dock, which we only do when there is no one around. I know there's some good reasons for this, but I've been driving boats for over 40 years and now I have a 20 year old telling me what to do. I have been on lakes where boaters are driving crazy, and there's no one there to keep things in line. Seems like we can't find the middle ground. Glad your skiing it up in Florida! Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:33pm
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backfoot, use a 100' line. By the time you are off the dock and boat speed picks up faster than idle, you are over 100' away. Problem solved. We both know it'll still be a hassle trying to explain that to Barney and his sidekick, but based on the way they describe the law, it's legal.
I think it is also illegal now for the skier to be within 100' of any dock, boat, or even S-N-W bouy however. I use a 100' line here in WI.  ------------- |
Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 2:45pm
Reid, ask for the cell next to mine!!!!  ------------- Greg http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2427&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985" rel="nofollow - 86 BFN |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 3:47pm
HW, your own body would still be making a wake before the 100' marker! LOL!!!!! Barney would still be able to find some technicality to be able to cite you I'm sure. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 3:55pm
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I assumed you didn't have bouys and your only concern was boat - dock distance. We just wait till they aren't looking to do dock flyers. ------------- |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 4:15pm
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It is just dock and boat distance. I was just making lite of the situation. My point being that they'll interpret the law differently than we would but their interpretation is the one that counts. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 7:35pm
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Wow Barney really makes it sound like he doesn't want us back next year. With out all our money who is going to pay for him to stay working.
I think alot of us would have a hard time passing the sound test. When I go on vacation I look to have fun not be hassled.. If I want hassle I will visit my in-laws or stay at work. ------------- |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 8:42pm
I dont think Barneys the real problem...heres a pic of the mayor of GL when he found out the CCF guys were coming back....
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Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 9:11pm
| You all need to go back next. Notify the chamber and the press and get some favorable coverage in advance. All the businesses must love you, as well as the tourists that happen upon an antique boat show. If they start writing tickets, they'll get the bad press. |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 9:47pm
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Yeah- someone tell the Gooseblind bar and you'll get a police escort back there
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Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 11:15pm
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Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 4:51am
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This is a sad post. And it makes me dislike WI and law enforcement officers more. The Lake has a perfect example of how some dude can just use the law inappropriately to torture perfectly good citizens who are operating their boats (or whatever) in completely safe manners. It's like the IRS auditors who couldn't pass the CPA tests so they get jobs working for the IRS and go around trying to prove themselves to people. Geez.
Down here, we have a way of settling things with boys like that dnr guy, eh Boat Dr? ------------- Mullet Free since 93 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=717&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 95 Sport 1978 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 6:33pm
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The dude,
we do not have gators, swamps and the everglades to make the bodies disappear. WE have to wait until they poor some fresh concrete. No one wants to hold onto a body that long... Just joking.. ------------- |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 6:43pm
What is this world coming to? Is farting in public going to be a fine now?...Rrrrrippp...$1,000 fine, sir...
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 6:51pm
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Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 7:08pm
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farting and footing illegal?
i'm moving to australia. lefty ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 9:07pm
what they looked like this??
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Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: August-31-2007 at 9:09pm
whata crime!!
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Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: September-01-2007 at 12:45am
oops!!
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Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: September-01-2007 at 2:17am
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Ken, as usual, you find the perfect pic.... ------------- Mullet Free since 93 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=717&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 95 Sport 1978 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: September-01-2007 at 2:21am
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That would be,
DOUGHNUT ABUSE !!!!!! ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 67nautique312
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 6:19pm
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I wonder what the decible level was when all the CC's left all at once to go to the sand bar?
Hell the goose blind would go out of buisness without the Massive CC weekend Party crowd we bring to Gree Lake. Out of all of those wooden boats on Green Lake i cant imagine that all of them pass the decible level.....especially with pipes on some of those Cris Crafts that are above the water level.......right? Come on Moj.......Go over and start talkin to those meatheads  ------------- 1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter) 67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 6:26pm
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No one else can either Paul... Figuring it out and playing the politics is in the works..
Hey, any nice lakes out by you???
Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: stang72
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 10:26am
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I would guess Bill will be a big help with the politics...I would think that an anual event that is growing each year is a good new source of revinue that the town would not want to lose! ------------- stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3720/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - The Super Air |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 11:53am
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ask the hotels/motels which weeks/week-ends they are sold out?
To many blue hair's on that lake I guess. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 67nautique312
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 5:40pm
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Moj,
Chuck(the lake) and i are looking for alternative lakes to hold this event just in case Well lets hope it doesn't come to that. but..........???? You never know.
Good point chris(79nautique)& Gary(stang72). ------------- 1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter) 67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 6:04pm
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Guys all the weekends are sold out, don't kid yourself !!! Income to a few business owners will be there no matter what.. Yes, we added a bit to the Goose revenue, and a little to the Marina gas revenue, but that's about it......
Moj ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-05-2007 at 6:53pm
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Issues like these are part and parcel of large event gatherings - particularly one that has grown to be as big as the Green Lake Reunion. Permits, cooperation from local governing bodies and law enforcement, liability insurance, etc. are details that need to be worked out each year.
Dave has done an amazing job of getting these issues dealt with for the past two years, behind the scenes, and will likely be able to address them for '08. Please remember that Dave and Alan donate a great deal of time and energy to the event simply because they want to see it happen. I owe a lot to them for what they have created in Green Lake. It's important to note that what keeps them motivated is the positive experience of the reunion. This event was the best boating weekend of the season for many of you who attended and hearing that is what makes it all worth the effort. I am going to be working with Dave and Alan to get these things figured out. Your suggestions from the Reunion Survey will also help us create more worthwhile, engaging and memorable events. I am confident that the event will take place again next year. We should have more information shortly as we work out this latest issue. Thanks again for your support. -Keith Keith@CorrectCraftFan.com CorrectCraftFan.com ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: September-06-2007 at 12:19am
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Keith: Did you get an e-mail from me a couple days ago?
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: September-06-2007 at 12:49am
I could go on about this for hours.I can only speak about the law in N.H.(which changes quite frequently).The key to beating this is to be more educated than the people enforcing the laws.We have to perform a decible test on any altered motorcycle exhaust for inspection stickers. The law in NH is 106db max @2800rpm and is to be tested according to an SAE standard that I have a copy of,but is way too long to post.It basically states that a certain procedure must be followed PRECISELY and if used for law enforcement,leeway must be given if not performed to the EXACT procedure.You would be very surprised how particular the test description is,IE no wind over 5 mph,no grass,curbing,or obsticles over 6" tall within a 40 foot radius of tested vehicle,the meter must be at a precise angle and distance from the exhaust outlet,but can have no rigid means of measuring this distance actually attached to the meter. Basically, in court, it is an un-enforceable law. I have not yet met any NH law enforcement officer that has been formally trained to use this piece of equipment,nor can anyone answer a direct question about the procedure without adding their own interpretation. I am by no means a lawyer offering legal advise,just my experience.I know magnitudes of people that have been ticketed for excessive motorcycle exhaust noise...some just pay the fine....some go to court.None of my customers have gone to court armed with copies of the procedure(which can usually be found online) and lost their case. The meter also has to be set to a certain response level and sound scale every time it is turned on,and if not done the meter can read as much as 10 decibles higher than it should.Not to mention the fact it is supposed to be calibrated every so often and the records of such calibtrations must be presented if asked for in court. Like I said, I could go on forever,I haven't even started to crack into this,but I'll spare you any more . The bottom line is it's about the money,not the noise.They want you just to pay your fine and go on your way.They're banking on the fact that your not going to take a day off from work to fight a non points violation,and risk losing more money. In NH ,Reid's ticket at 1db over would have been thrown out by the DA before he even went into the courtroom. As a matter of fact,up here it has been beaten so many times that the police are not even allowed to test you for excessive exhaust noise unless there is more than one officer present to assist in the complicated procedure,and verify that it was followed properly. Bottom line....be polite,be friendly,and most of all...be educated. ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |