"Boats in the Barn"
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Topic: "Boats in the Barn"
Posted By: 62 wood
Subject: "Boats in the Barn"
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 12:15am
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Thought I'd post pics and short story of an old inboard I found, altho its a "brand X".. still pretty cool old boat..
A couple years ago during one of our evening cruises in the old 64'skier, I noticed a boat under a tatterd cover,in one of the boathouses along the river. I immediately noticed the prop and rudder, but couldnt tell what the make was. A couple days later I was in the area driving by and thought Id stop ,just to check it out. Turns out to be a 1968 Century Resorter that the owner had bought new! It was the first year they made fiberglass. Its pretty cool, in the fact it has about an 8" band of mahogany around the perimeter of the deck. He told me it hadnt been run since 02. I asked if it was for sale..he replied no. I actually would see the owner periodically at a resturaunt...and each time would ask if he was ready to get rid of "that old boat". "No" was always his answer. Earlier this summer, when I saw him for the first time this year...I asked the usual question.. this time he said he had been thinking of it. Well, today a good friend of mine took possession of the boat.... here are a couple pics.. First time cover was of in 5 years..btw ..482 hours on the clock! 
Getting ready to get her wet! 
Got a smile on our face.. towing it with flat bottom to boat launch! 
It needs a little TLC, but should look as good as new by next summer. Love that mahogany band!!!  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 12:26am
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Looks like a sweet find! Let's see some pics of her all done! ------------- Greg http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2427&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985" rel="nofollow - 86 BFN |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 12:31am
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That's really a cool old boat. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 12:32am
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Steve,
You are an incredible barn finder; all we have in barns around here is hay or meth. That is a beautiful boat, and I sure it comes complete with some great stories. Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 12:40am
Chuck , The owner (driving the flatbottom) is 74. He has been around the river a LONG time! He was about in tears when we lowered it in the water. He showed us pics of a crackerbox he built in the late 50's Loves to talk! and we loved to listen and look at the old pics! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
The Lake wrote:Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 12:49am
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Steve,
Here's a pic of a boat my dad build in the late 50's. 
Chuck That's a 35 horse Evinrude on the back. ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 1:59am
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Cool story Steve.
One of the Best things here...cool stories! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 2:03am
At least you have barns,you still have a chance.The ones that were around here are long gone. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 2:04am
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Which one of these great 50 states are you in Gary?
------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 2:08am
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Steve Ive always seen that boat too . I told Wendy a couple of months ago that I would like to know what it was . I even mapped out where it was by road . But I always seemed to forget when I was down that way . Well Im glad to see that someone will have it running again . I just wish it would have been me . Next to go will be his house . Hes probably cleaning shop . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 3:04am
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Steve,
Wow that's looks like a great find, correct me if I am wrong but isn't the registration current, either that or it has sat since the last time we had red ones. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 7:10am
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Steve, Great find! Keep us informed. Let me guess - 327 AMC Gray Marine? Dual side draft YH's in the valley? If it is the Gray, it may be the last year before they went under. You may already know but there is a web site for Century.
http://centuryboatclub.com/cbcindex02.htm - Century boat ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 10:44am
| Great find! I had a friend that had one of those back in the 70's. I don't remember what the engine was, but it had the shifter on the column and a push/pull throttle on the dash. Those boats are built really well. |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 11:19am
Pete, 1968?, I'm betting a beer at the Goose Blind that it's a 318-4V Chrysler or a 352 Interceptor. That web site is great by the way, thanks. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 11:31am
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Here are a few answers to your questions..
Chuck, I think Gary also lives in IL.. btw, what ever happened to your dads boat? Quinner, The reistration stickers are dated 2002... go back and look at the pic with it hanging outside and notice all the cobwebs on the hull.. Pete, It has an Interceptor 352...(Reid... meet you at the Gooseblind Sat night to collect? ) engine looks like new. it was forgged down when last stored. Bruce, This does have the shifter on the column, with a toe/heel floor mounted gas pedal... btw, havent had a chance to get the windwing templates made yet... Pat, we might want to compare notes... just to make sure theres not another one still in the weeds!  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 11:36am
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Steve,
Very cool boat indeed..I came close to buying an old, orange 74' before the Tique.. great find.. Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 11:44am
New Glarus Spotted Cow draft for me please. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 12:04pm
You do have fine tastes in beers!! I'll see you there! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 12:10pm
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I always gaze out into the open fields and try to get a look into an open barn door...hopefully to find a hemi cuda.. or even some old boat laying around that the owner knows nothing about and he tells you just get it out of here, my friend found a old 68 gtx convertible last year, he paid peanuts for it and sold it untouched to bail bondsman in Fla for 25k, and got a extra thousand to deliver. he could roll around in s--t and come out smelling like a rose all the time. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 1:04pm
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Steve, No hurry on the templates. I've got a ways to go before I get to the details.
Having been a part owner in an 80 Resorter for years, I'm always seeking fiberglass ones out for kicks, and very seldom do I see one in good condition. That boat looks decent. I bet there's no rot to deal with. Just a lot of cleaning and maybe new interior. They are a really nice classic boat, although they definately do not have the sporty feel of an older CC. They are more like a Caddy. |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 1:14pm
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Eric
The fellow next door has a 60's or 70's charger I beleive ( it has a slopping back) which has been sitting in the storage lot where I keep my charter bus for years. He has not been paying the storage bill. I believe it has a small hemi. It was his first car and he was going to fix it up. He will never do it. I bet it could be bought. Steve ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 1:38pm
Bruce, you hit the nail on the head... It does have a little rot on the mahogany top planking . Dave,the new owner ) is thinking off replacing the whole upper deck,including the vinyl , with mahogany. Other than that, everything is VERY solid! The interior should clean up very nice..it does have a few small wear areas,and a couple of small rips, but nothing too major... I said the same thing with the Caddy/ sports car reference! btw, Pam even said I should have bought the boat!....she wouldnt comment tho when I told her I couldnt get rid of either of the existing Correct Crafts. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 1:53pm
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I still like this one, don't know if its still there but it looked like a nice cruiser to me, well after a little engine work to get it closer to one hp to cu in that is...
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/boa/435312645.html - 1977 arabian v drive ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 1:54pm
Steve, Do I need to talk to Dave?? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 2:01pm
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Pete,
I dont think it will do any good...his wife likes wood boats and isnt thrilled he just sold his 49 Century...soooo, he is doing that to get the "best of both worlds". btw, he is keeping all the vinyl in case he wants to go back original.. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 2:42pm
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Pete,
talk to him. That boat won't look right with an all wood deck, and it appears to be so original, it is really too bad to change it. It will definately hurt the value of the boat. The Arabians are nice boats, although I never cared for their look. When my 2 brothers and I bought our Century, one of them wanted the Arabian. Fortunately, two of us didn't. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 8:59pm
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Chuck,I'm in Illinois in Mchenry county about 2 miles of where cook,lake,mchenry,and kane county meet,not many farms left here now. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 10:31pm
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Steve,correct me if I'm wrong but there was no "small" hemi from that time period.They were 426 hemis.In the fiftys there were a couple of small ones but not in the late sixtys and early seventys. If that car is an original 426 hemi it is worth mega dollars.Someone should check into that NOW. Farmer |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 10:37pm
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Wood, that would be so wrong if your buddy put Mahogany on that boat. Wasn't it you who brought the boat to his attention? Put your foot down. Buy it from him. Save that boat. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 11:18pm
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Steve, I've spent lots of time around wood boats, shows and the ACBS. I would really hate to see Dave go to something non original with a classic like that. A 68 fiberglass can be showed and judged at any of the ACBS chapters but wouldn't get very far with points with a different deck on it. I've worked plenty of shows and have heard plenty of comments like "did you see what he did to that boat?". Is Dave's wife calling the shots on this? You mentioned that they just sold the 49 Century but besides that, what is there background with wood boats? Does he really know what he is thinking of doing and just doesn't care? I really hope I'm not coming across just sounding like a purist, I'm just concerned about a beautiful classic boat. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-17-2007 at 11:52pm
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Use money to pursuade them. Puffed out, that boat is worth a lot to the right buyer. Once its bastardized, the limited market for that boat becomes way more limited, and top dollar goes away.
My brother's 80 looks fantastic when it's just been waxed, but fades after being in the sun for awhile. He was thinking of painting it. I told him he probaly had the nicest original fiberglass Resorter in existance, and what was he thinking of. Wax more or have it wet sanded. Don't even think of painting it. Fortunately, he listened. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 12:55am
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Dave's a great guy and has been around boats a long time...somewhere he saw a resorter with the complete wood deck and liked it.
After seeing this boat in the water, I have to agree,I would keep it original also. I really like the slight touch of the mahogany as an accent.. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Munday
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 1:32am
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They made wood deck fiberglass resorters called "Fibersports"
New factory skins are available at AA marine,they have all the old century stock.Good people too..Thats a nice old Resorter they can handle much better with the addition of a tracking fin. I'm still looking for an old Resorter myself I love the front bench seat and the windshield's are extra nice. Munday ------------- If the only tool you have is a hammer,everything starts to look like a nail. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 1:48am
Munday.. thanks for the info on the Fibersport. I found a couple of pics of one for sale...
I still like the mahogany accent myself ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 2:17am
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Steve I still think it is the same one . The one Im thinking of is in between the sand bar and the new houses down stream on the Rockfalls side . It was sitting in the back part of the boat house parallel to the river .
The one that I have been looking for , that I havent seen in a long time , is a red boat with - Try Me - on the back. I think it was in the same area . Possibly a Donzi. ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 2:49am
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Pat,
It was downstream from the sandbar,on the RF side, but also downstream (just on the other side)of the new houses..... Do you remember the old/ motorless Stars and Stripes MC , setting on a sling?(wonder what ever happened to it?) The Resorter was upstream from that. The boathouse is open to the river, with no door. The flatbottom in the pics sat in front of the Resorter. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 3:19am
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Yeah thats the same boat .
I do remember the MC in the middle of the summer . Last I saw I thought someone was working on it . Do you remember the red boat with -Try Me- On the back of it ? I think the last I saw it was back in the early 90's . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 8:36am
Steve, This is what a Fibersport should look like. The one you found has been "customized" with a wood deck that isn't even mahogany!
One of our chapter members is a great woodworker and replanked the center section of deck on one of his boats with cedar because HE thought it looked good. He buys, fixes and sells boats as a retirement hobby. This one with the cedar deck has been for sale for 13 years. The last I heard he had reduced the price down to 2K and he still can't sell it. He learned a valuable lesson and has now put replacing the deck back to original on his project list. It is a early 50's Chris. He happens to be one of the people who got the "did you see what he did the that boat" comment!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 1:04pm
| I'd say those photos make the best argument. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 1:33pm
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I agree... the wood on that deck looks like teak or something... poor grain/color match.
Pete, whats different about the pic of the Fibersport you posted and the Resorter Dave bought? (other than color combinations) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-18-2007 at 2:53pm
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Steve, I'm not really sure what the difference is. I'll have to look at the Century site some more. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-19-2007 at 3:08pm
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GOOD NEWS!!!!
Talked with Dave this morning and he IS planning to keep the vinyl in the center of the Resorter.. He agrees , after getting it home and starting to clean it up that it would be better to just replace the existing mahogany strips. When he first started talking about doing this, we hadnt seen this boat and how original it is! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: October-19-2007 at 3:46pm
Steve, I would think that boat is in goods hands with Dave. Doesn't he have a few others in his collection right now? ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-19-2007 at 4:00pm
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Alan,
I guess you figured out which Dave!..It is in good hands! He just got a little "in a hurry" with what to do with the 68 before he actually saw it. As for boats... Dave sold his 49 Century and one of his Speedliners.. He still has a Speedliner and an old 1937 Miller racing boat.. btw.... Make sure you plan to keep the weekend of May 16-18 open for the Muscatine boat show!...should be better than last year... Dave plans to run the Hydros at night..."Under the lights"... to his knowledge,its never been done before. Should be pretty cool! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-21-2007 at 6:48pm
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Steve, I'm glad to here the good news! I know it is for the better.
I really don't know the difference between the Fibersport and the Resorter. Unless it's a level of trim. It does look like the Fibersport was gone the year they made the Resorter a fiberglass hull. Someone who is really into the details of Century will know. We have our Blackhawk fall dinner coming up and will see several Century guys and will ask. Where is the wood rotted? Was any attempt made to caulk the wood to the deck to seal out water? I've never had one apart. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 12:23am
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Pete ,
The wood was rotted at the rear starboard side, about even with the back seat. Kind of a wierd place,it was right on top of the piece. Good thing is its not into any structural area. It hard to see in the pics,but the PO was a body man (auto) and had 'glassed over the mahogany strips and painted them to match the interior. Dave is planning to replace all of them. Other than that everything looks rock-solid and original... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 8:18am
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Steve, I couldn't tell from the pictures that he had glassed over the wood. That explains a lot about the rot. We all know about what happens to wood that has been "encapsulated".
Your title of this thread reminded me of a friend who always found great boat finds in barns, garages and boat houses. It was always amazing to me the boats he would come up with until the day I asked how he found them. He has since retired but was a Waukesha county sheriff all or most of his life. Waukesha county (west of Milwaukee Wi.) is filled with lots of lakes and plenty of barns. He in uniform and a squad car could go anywhere he wanted to. I think he spent more time out looking for boats in barns than police duties! He was the first person I knew who had a Jersey Speed Skif which in the midwest is rare! You may already know this but wanted to mention it. When Dave replaces the wood on the deck, I feel he should bed it to the deck in 5200 (mahogany color) to seal the bottom side from water. Do all the fitting of the planking first, then pre staining and at least one coat of varnish or sealer. Then screw it to the deck and bung the screw holes. The pre stain and seal will prevent the areas of the wood where he gets the 5200 on (it's messy) from being sealed and not "taking" stain latter. I do this with bright finished wood that gets close to 5200 and or epoxy. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 9:50am
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Pete, in your meathod above, you must be starting with very dry mahogany. What % do you shoot for? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 10:25am
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Greg, Not really that "dry". About 10%. Moisture content of wood has frustrated boat builders for centuries just because wood is so dynamic with the changing seasons. If I'm working on a boat in the winter in a heated area, I will humidify the space. I've seen boats built without space between the planking that will look fantastic out of the shop in spring and then with the humidity of the summer swell to the point of pulling screws out of the frames. It is the width and not the length of a board that will grow the most so in the case of this Century with the single plank it won't be a problem. Also with it 5200'd to the fiberglass deck, it will stabilize it.
This movement of wood is also why the new modern clear coat finishes don't work. They are simply too hard and will not move like the good old Spar varnishs will. There are attempts being made to modify synthetic clear coat that can be sprayed but haven't seen it work very well. For now it's a $40 brush and the best varnish you can get! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 11:01am
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Pete,
The 'glass work was done after the wood had started rotting. It was the PO's attempt to repair the damage. As for boats , heres a couple pics of Daves 49 Century he just sold. 
And a pic of a Speedliner he just got done last year... btw, I think this might be for sale?  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 11:30am
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Very nice!! I really need to talk to you guys about joining the ACBS!
Whats the white boat in the garage? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 11:38am
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I was thinking that the 5200 wouldn't allow movement, but I guess it does. We're talking about the front deck planks, right? How thick are these planks? The few I've seen up close appeared to be butt jointed with a chamfer on each side of the joint. Is that about how it's done? A floating tenon comes to mind...
Sorry to bend your 'ear' as I'm not in a position to start on a project just now, but there is a neat one on ebay. Caddy fins and all! LOL ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 11:40am
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The one 62 just posted looks like it has a white filler in the joints? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 1:01pm
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Greg, Typically deck planking is 3/8" and the planks are simply butted together. No tenons, tongues and grooves, splines, etc. Every 3rd or 4th seam will be real and in between they are fake. Simply grooves routed into the face.
I don't know your background into wood boats so I don't know if you were serious with the question on the filler in the seams. The answer is yes it is filler. Today they are using the 5200 but previous would be a linseed oil base putty and then painted white. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 1:14pm
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My background on wood boats has mostly come from you!
So that's all plywood...got it. And yes, I was serious. I'm storing this away for future reference. 
At the very least, I'll be better informed the day I do go to bring one home. Thanks ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-23-2007 at 1:46pm
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Greg, No, it is planked with solid. Some Correct Craft's and some of the cheaper Centurys were done with plywood. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: October-24-2007 at 3:05am
Pete, The boat in the garage is also a Speedliner...he sold it a little over a month ago. btw, talked with Dave tonight..he just sold the Speedliner shown in the drive. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 20th Century
Date Posted: October-26-2007 at 8:58pm
| Great Boat! It looks like it is in pretty good shape too! I saw someone else here mention A&A Marine. Not only do they have original vinyl patterns for all the Centurys, they also have the original two ladies that made them! They also have the original Century embossing equipment to emboss the logo in the back seat. Of course I found all this out after I had new vinyl done on mine. Oh, they also have the ladder/railing guy too! The fibersport was the name of the '68 fiberglass resorter when you could order either wood and fiberglass. In '69 they went all fiberglass and it took on the Resorter moniker. Another great source for Century information is Miklos and Sons near Pittsburgh. They know everything there is to know about Century boats and their website is really cool and loaded with restoration pictures of Centurys and Chris Crafts. http://http://www.centuryclassicpowerboat.com/ - http://www.centuryclassicpowerboat.com/ |
Posted By: FINS
Date Posted: November-09-2007 at 7:23pm
I know that fiberglass over wood is usually the kiss of death (in fact the reason the bottom is coming off my '59 Atom #1 for replacement, but what about plywood boats from the factory with glass overlays? My Tollycraft (1966)has a single layer of glass mat over the decks and hull sides. Many of the Riva models have glass over the skins as well. You can still see the wood grain through the mat. Is the real problem if the wood is encased on both sides? One issue that you can see on the bow and starboard side on my Tolly is dock dings (from the PO) that seperate the glass from the wood. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2262&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1925&yrend=1960" rel="nofollow - 59 ATOM Lake Tapps, Wa. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: November-09-2007 at 8:32pm
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Fins, Nice looking boat! That looks like it has the same steering wheel as my 66 Barracuda SS. Dont know if a spare one anywhere?
While this thread is back up.. I got some updated pics of Daves Century. He ran into a little more rot than expected (surprise, surprise ) Besides the already know spot on the back right ,It also had a little rot on the top mahogany rail, below the drivers windshield post. Both of these areas had also let water into couple of the wooden frame pcs. So,they will need to be replaced also... here are pics taken last week... 
Still a great find!!!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-09-2007 at 10:15pm
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Steve, Dave looks like he is making progress! keep the pictures coming.
Brian, I feel you have the basic idea. The rot in the wood is from it not drying out. If stringers are wrapped in glass it will get wet and rot. A bottom that has been fiberglassed is sealed on the bottom and with the bilge being wet most of the time it will rot wood. A deck like your Tolly (NICE!!) you won't have a problem with because the bottom side isn't glassed. Riva's do have some problems lower on the hull sides/chines where it stays wet. The bottom line is moisture stuck in the wood. The biggest disaster happens to be the first fiberglass inboard. The 57 Chris Craft Silver Arrow was simply a wood boat that they glassed! Because there were so few made and with the major rot problem, there aren't may around anymore. The people who have gone through the restoration are even afraid of putting them in the water!! Chris Silver Arrow  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 3:03am
Just gonna get the pics on the current page...
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Posted By: SeattleFordFan
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 4:46am
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Fins.. Where do you have that boat hiding?? Thats one that I would really like to take a peep at... ------------- Travs Where there is a will, there is a way, and where there is a way, it usually costs more money. 1980 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 10:47am
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Steve, You really have to appreciate the wood working that Century even put in there fiberglass hulls. Unlike Correct Craft they weren't afraid to show it and didn't try to hide it with pigmenting their resins. I'm sure you ran into a area or two on your Skier that made you think about CC's wood skill levels. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 11:24am
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Pete, you took the words outta my mouth regarding the wood framing. That looks nice! But once Century started doing the foam and in the early 70s boats, their composite for closing in the floor resulted in a rot-fest back near the rear corners of the engine box. Some folks may have seen different but the 3-4 we've had were very sad. But man that framing looks great! ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 2:36pm
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Reid, I can safely say that the flotation requirements with the advent of fiberglass and the foaming was rot waiting to happen for all boat manufacturers!
Correct Craft was never noted for it's "fit and finish" on any of their woodworking. After the war, even the planked wood models were the planks on top of plywood. In some cases, I have seen where the plywood skin is holding the frames together (designed that way) and it's supposed to be the other way around!! Whenever I see a poorly fit joint on a CC, I get this picture in my mind of the old world craftsman in the plant making church pews in one room while kids with axes are in another room making the boats. Please don't get me wrong as I'm not coming down on the Meloon's beliefs, it's just the scenario I put together. Also, it was Higgins that was making the PT boats during the war while CC was making plywood boxes to be used as floats for temporary pontoon bridges. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 3:03pm
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I'm with you on that Pete. And I certainly wasn't trying to slam the vintage Centurys as I love them.
As for the double planked hull that CC used with the plywood under the planks, I thought that was actually a preferred and more expensive method as opposed to planks over battens? A number of Chris Crafts from the late 50's on used this plywood inner hull as well. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: FINS
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 4:15pm
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As you can tell from my boat collection, I don't discriminate regarding material, brand, or age as long as if looks cool (in my eyes) and floats (or potentially floats), I am all over it! The "plywoodies" of the time generally seem to be of "lesser" quality in terms of construction, but a great way to get into the wooden boat scene. Although the restoration can be just as invloved as a planked boat, for some reason it seems less daunting to me.
Travis- I have the Tolly at my place at Lake Tapps. It is ready to drop in the Lake with about 5 minutes notice. Give me a shout and we can go for a ride! 
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Posted By: SeattleFordFan
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 4:47pm
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Brian, I definitely appreciate the invite, and will take you up on it, when the time allows it. I just returned from Toronto, and have been out of town for over two weeks straight, so I am trying to put things together around the house, and may have to run down to Olympia Sunday.
------------- Travs Where there is a will, there is a way, and where there is a way, it usually costs more money. 1980 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 6:08pm
Reid, I didn't at all take it as a slam on Century's. The single and double planked boats serve two different purposes. The single plank is a lighter construction and hence a faster boat. Add that to Century's using the biggest engines they could find and they were always fast! The biggest problem is that it is the only wood hull that does require soaking to expand the wood and make the seams tight. Over several seasons of wet/dry wood movement and you end up with loose screws and or split battens and a leaking hull. The double planked hull with the layer of canvas and bedding compound between made it a watertight hull but heavier. They were never intended to require soaking but they did need the outer planking removed and the canvas replaced every 10 to 12 years. Beware of the double planked hull when the seller states that it just needs to be soaked! In Correct Crafts case with their after the war planked boats, I have a strong suspicion that they took a cheaper plywood hull and by adding the planking made a premium hull! Double planked boats were bottoms only but Correct Crafts were the whole boat! Brian,(fins) You are correct that the plywood boats were less quality. They were cheap and meant to be thrown alway when they got bad! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 7:14pm
??? Hey Pete, seeking some clarification on this one. Arenacraft claims to be the first fiberglass production inboard. I am not certain this claim is true, but I am certain that Arenacraft made fiberglass inboards prior to 57. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 7:23pm
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Reid, IIRC Century stopped making inboards at the end of 1976. They did not resume until 1980. When they did, my brothers & I bought a 1980 Resorter for $10,800 w/o trailer. We bought a Century over a CC because we thought CC had gone down hill in the 70's much like American cars. My brother still owns that boat and there is no rot. I don't know what the 70's Century were like, (pics show they got cheesy interiors), but that '80 is a well made boat. It's got over 1200 hours and the only repairs ever made to it are a new steering cable, throttle and one exhaust manifold. It is solid and it still looks great.
Pete, those Century's were fast. Some of the old Resorters hit 50. My brother's with a Merc 255 and a 13x12 Acme does 48 GPS. It's never even had the carb rebuilt. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-10-2007 at 7:52pm
Brian, I hope your trip home was a good one and without incident. Looking forward to your next Midwest visit. The fact about the Silver Arrow being the first fiberglass inboard was right out of Bob Speltz's "The Real Runabouts". The series of 7 volumes is really considered to be the "bible" of wood boats but he may be wrong! The volume with the Arenacraft in it is at work in my office. Monday I'll have to look it up and see what it says! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-11-2007 at 11:30am
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Fins, How many of those blue & white boats exist? I bet not many. I can see why you like the Atom.
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Posted By: FINS
Date Posted: November-11-2007 at 11:46pm
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Actually, the turquoise one in the picture is my 1959 Glassmagic Playmaster. They are not all that rare. I bought it from a farm field for $300. I grafted in a modern SeaDoo motor so it looks like a little inboard boat now. Up here in the Northwest, the '50s fin boats show up with a little looking. They are one of the only things from that era that people are still giving away. If it were a '57 Belair basket case, it would be worth $20,000, but an old boat... you can have it. I personally have another 5 fiberglass fin boats in various stages of dis-repair that were all between free and $500. Starting to run out of room and patience from my wife though.
#1 Playmaster before #2 Playmaster after #3 1958 BellBoy Banshee field find #4 1959 Reinell Jetabout (have 3 of these) #5 Jetabout mock up w/ corvette hardtop 
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Posted By: SeattleFordFan
Date Posted: November-12-2007 at 1:02am
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I dont see much "Field" around number three there Brian... How did you get that out of there? ------------- Travs Where there is a will, there is a way, and where there is a way, it usually costs more money. 1980 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: FINS
Date Posted: November-12-2007 at 2:10am
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Yeah. I know. We joke about it and call most of them "blackberry" boats. Some you can't even see until you hack the brush down around them. The Bellboy is one my Dad just found last week. We are going to wait until after Thanksgiving to yank it out of the weeds. Then you have to let it sit in the sun for a bout a week and let the frogs and slugs jump ship! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2262&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1925&yrend=1960" rel="nofollow - 59 ATOM Lake Tapps, Wa. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-12-2007 at 8:25am
Brian, I thought that the Arenacraft would be in Speltz's section of early fiberglass boats but it wasn't. I wasn't able to find much on the boat except he did start building them in 1955. It was a pressure molded fiberglass hull which isn't the fiberglass process we are used to. So it is still fiberglass and you are correct with it being before the Silver Arrow. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-12-2007 at 10:41am
Cool boats. Finding and rescuing them is half the fun. I found this in a field in Maine the past Spring. We got it all cleaned up and dried out, and then decided to sell it when we found our Mustang. I got 3 people that wanted it the first week when it put it on Fiberglassics.
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Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: November-12-2007 at 11:22pm
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Brian; Awesome collection and awesome wife!
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |