Ford 302 FI issue
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Topic: Ford 302 FI issue
Posted By: Nautique2001
Subject: Ford 302 FI issue
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 5:14pm
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My '99 Mercury Mountaineer with 156K miles had the CHECK ENGINE light kick on. This is associated with the engine bucking around 2,000 RPMS. When I give it gas under way, the bucking gets worse. At highway speed as long as I don't give it gas, there's no bucking. Idle is semi smooth, a slight cough every now and then. FYI, my gas mileage has gone down the crapper since this issue began.
History: Replaced plugs, wires, air filter within 20K miles. I don't think the o2 sensor, EGR or PCV valve has ever been replaced. Is it possible it's one of those little monkeys acting up? I'm hoping my engine isn't giving up the ghost. I also dumped some dry gas in the tank, FI cleaner and filled it up with fresh 93 gas. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
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Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 5:17pm
By the way, my 6.0 HP Craftsman mower runs like a champ.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 5:43pm
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The CHECK ENGINE light indicates a fault in the closed-loop EFI system and needs to be addressed ASAP. Have the dealer read the code from your engine computer and tell you what needs to be fixed. It could be any of the EFI sensors. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 5:55pm
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Thanks, Joel. I just made an appointment with Midas. I'm hoping it's something simple. I also hope I haven't made the problem any worse by driving around this week.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 6:05pm
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Completely guessing, maybe since it's associated with increases in throttle/load it's the MAF sensor which senses intake manifold pressure changes. We shall see though... ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 7:09pm
Not a bad guess. The symptoms sound similar to the time the MAF failed on my Maxima. Ken, Id suggest a Ford dealer over a chain like Midas. A good independant shop (if you know of one) might be even better. You might even want to consider going to Autozone and have them pull the OBD2 codes for free. If the problem is something simple that you can fix yourself, that will save you a $90 diagnostics fee. ------------- |
M3Fan wrote:Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 7:45pm
I didn't know they'd read it for you- that's awesome. I actually meant the MAP sensor. MAF measures air density- but hey, if I was still correct then I guess that's what I meant! ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 8:08pm
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cam or crank sensor, Midas is going to get you.....wish you were closer, i just purchased an OTC Genysis scanner, had to mortgage the house again for it, it will tell you if your balls are itchy ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 9:16pm
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Nautique - I had similar symptoms on my old windstar & what had happpened is that the head gaskets leaked (common problem) took out all 4 O2 sensors, (which caused over rich mixture) & did a number on my cat converter. As this all happened over a period of time, Ford covered the head gaskets, but I got a blue job on the rest, because I didn't connect the dots until way later.
Ok,now for my current puzzler: My Honda Odsessy has (had) a engine rattle that was prevelant upon acceleration, particularly when cold. It seemed to be getting worse lately. I asked my Honda dealer about this noise (which they heard on test drive) & they said I need a $400 valve adjustment. I took the bait & actually had an appointment to get hosed Monday. In the meantime, yesterday we went on a skiing trip (snow, that is). It was pinging really bad. Today, I filled up with BP 87 octane. No noise! (which I now realize was knock or ping). No expalnation on the difference in gas - always use 87 or sometimes E10. When I (happily) cancelled my service appointment, I asked the dealer if the pre-ignition sensor could be tested, as it is supposed to sense knock & adjust timing for octane. The dealer said if the sensor was bad it would throw a code. His credibility is not so good with me right now. I am wondering if any of you gearheads know if this sensor could be tested. Thanks in advance for any & all free advice. Chris |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 9:22pm
The crank angle position sensor on my girlfriend's VW failed recently. The engine quit when it failed and would not restart. Not sure if thats typical with a crank or cam sensor. Joel, I had to look up what a MAP sensor was- not sure if my Maxima even had one. Looks like both MAP and MAF sensors can be used to calculate air density. ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 9:25pm
He's probably right- there arent many (if any) sensors on the motor that wont throw a code. Not all codes will trigger a check engine light. Hook up an scanner and see if there are any stored. Some auto parts stores will read them for free (like Autozone). ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 9:50pm
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Tim,I had a crank sensor go out in a jeep once. The wife drove home and the next day it would not start. I've been told that with that sensor out the computer does not know the engine is turning over I did not have access to a scanner at the time to check but I know there was no check engine light on. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 9:51pm
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MAF , mass air flow,or cfm ingested
MAP , manifold absolute pressure, or vacuum. MAF gives a known when combined with air temp, also receives info from the TPS or throttle position sensor.... MAP gives a known value to air pressure at sea level then the decrease as the throttle plate is opened.But it only uses this info,vacuum. O2 Sensor , monitors amounts of unburned fuel and constantly adjusts injector pulse width to add or subtract fuel ratio.This will put your mpg in the single digits quickly . Just my TWO CENTS WORTH......boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 10:00pm
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Gary, It is a Crank Angle Sensor.
It tells the motor it is at Top Dead Center. Once it "knows" it is at TDC it will "THEN" both fire and pulse fuel,as it spins. No signal , no fuel and no spark= no run ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 10:45pm
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His Mountaineer might have up to 4 O2 sensors. One upstream and downstream of each cat coming off the headers. I had an 02 sensor go in my old V6 4Runner with no noticable change in how it drove- it was the downstream sensor FWIW. After I saw how easy it was to do, I kicked myself for having a shop do it at an outrageous expense. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 10:48pm
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Crank or cam sensor goes bad car no start. Friend of mine had the cam sensor going bad in his diesel one time. Sometimes it would start other times he would have to try to start it then wait and try again. Check the sensor and it was working intermittenly. Changed the sensor and never had a problem again. ------------- |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: December-28-2007 at 10:51pm
Dont forget to winterize your lawnmower! ------------- |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: December-29-2007 at 12:59am
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don't see why your going to pay anyone to read the codes go to Autozone or an O'reiley or maybe even advanced auto and they will read the coddes for you then go from their. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: December-29-2007 at 1:01am
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Thanks Mark...it was getting kinda serious here...almost hadta reach for the Beam. I really do think I might be learning a thing or 2 on these threads. Between the dr, Tim, eric, and Joel we got the bases covered.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: December-29-2007 at 3:47am
Hey, all I know is the GT40 service manual, which actually has a really engaging description of how an MPEFI system works from end to end. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: December-29-2007 at 4:25am
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way over my head Joel.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-29-2007 at 11:06am
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Guys - Thanks for answering on my Honda gripe. After blowing off my steam, I googled this problem & found out that this is very common - some owners are threatening legal action. The knock sensor is buried under the intake manifold & the threads said that it isn't the problem anyway, so I am resigned to burn premium from now on. Still mad at the dealer for leading me on.
Nautique - please let us know what Mr Midas find on your Mountaineer. Hope he leaves you enough money for skiing gas next summer. Chris |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-29-2007 at 12:03pm
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now you found the ONLY reason to use premium fuel, that is the only reason on earth to use the premium (and i will back this statement up) if you are getting detonation or valve rattle with 87 it will clear up with higher octane.
It really is hard to diagnose check engine lights with out a scanner, I scanned a Cadilac yesterday which was still drivable and it has 2 crank sensors in which one failed, I bought the scanner to mainly diagnose transmissions in which it does well, depending on what type of vehicle you have most of the times it leads to one main computer and ties everything in, i recently rebuilt a 4l60e out of a gmc and the engine light is on and it wont shift into 3rd, the scanner goes on to tell me it is the maf, which is tied into shifting and also a bad cam sensor which is also causing the trans to break away, and i can cover my ass because the customer thinks he has a trans problem, BTW it was a bench rebuild, he pulled the trans if your wondering, but at this point he wants me to repair under warranty and i wont untill he gets the other issues worked out. I did a real time test driving down the road showing him exactly what was happening on the scanner. its hard enough rebuilding boat trannys and i get myself wrapped up car tranny's, but without the scanner you really are in the dark ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-29-2007 at 2:03pm
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Eric - I admire your ability to deal with jerk customers. Do they teach that in tranny school? I guess there jerks on both sides of the repair counter. I try not to be one of them & will pay fair price for good work.
Chris |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: December-30-2007 at 5:39pm
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Ken,
Go for the free code check as suggested.At least you'll see first hand what it says so you don't get jerked around.Nothing against Midas,but I tend to stay away from those types of places. Eric is correct,in today's modern systems you can speculate all you want but you're dead in the water without the proper diagnostic equipment.So many things can fail and exibit similar symptoms. I'm not familiar with multiple crank sensor cars,but have never seen a Harley that would run if the crank sensor was bad.I have also never seen one that WOULDN'T run with a bad map sensor.Either way,get it fixed in time to drive to the boat show 
Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: December-30-2007 at 7:27pm
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Thanks for all the input, gentlemen. I have had great success with service at Midas. Great idea about Auto Zone, but my time is pretty tight these days. I have an appointment with Midas in the morning. BTW, the exhaust smells like something is burning. Now my idle is very rocky rolly. I'll post the outcome soon. Maybe I'll have NECC drop a new motor in it, I'm used to that.
Winterize a lawn mower? Yeah, my lawn mower is winterized alright, it's under my deck with a foot high snow drift covering it. I did put a tarp over it though! Happy New Years! Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: December-30-2007 at 7:57pm
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sounds to me like the converter is clogged or bad! ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-31-2007 at 11:46am
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i hate to say it, 2 weeks ago i did a van with a clogged converter, it smelled like sh-t in the back, but ive also read somewhere that a failed o2 sensor will give you a raw egg smell,
on the van i hit it with my digital thermometer and the converter was at about 650 degrees which was way to hot. have it plugged in by midas is probably your only option, unless you want to drive to OOOOOhio ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: December-31-2007 at 7:49pm
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Is Brunstucky on the map?
Can you get a trip tick to get you there? john ps to eric: Lots of luck in the New Year. Been a pleasure talkin' to ya. ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-01-2008 at 11:45am
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its pretty tough if you miss the first fork in the road and if you also miss the first bluff or is that hollar,
as soon as i heard your voice on the phone John I knew you were from my region, nice talkin to you too... Eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-01-2008 at 1:44pm
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KInda hard to hide the Ohio. Everyone down here knows we are from Ohio or michigan when we open our mouths.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-01-2008 at 8:01pm
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OK, the problem was simple, but I still spent almost a grand to have it fixed. Number 7 cylinder wasn't firing.....Hmmmm, sounds very familiar. Anyway, the spark plug was no good. They gave it a full tune up, changed the oil, gave it a fuel induction and injection cleaning service, replaced the belt and idler pully. It's running extremely smooth now, no hesitation and my gas mileage improved big time. It's good for another 156K miles.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 12:54pm
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ouch ouch and one more time ouch, ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 1:35pm
Did they give you any KY for that? Next time one of your engines isnt running right, call me. I would have replaced that spark plug for $500 and saved you some money  ------------- |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 1:49pm
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Tim, it looks like they did a whole lot of other stuff too.
I wonder how the EFI system knew a cylinder wasn't firing? Would the knock sensor have picked that up? I doubt that thing has individual coils for each cylinder so with a distributor I don't see how the engine could tell what cylinder was not firing. I'm just curious as to how that would have thrown a code for you EFI pros out there. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 1:57pm
Ken, what was the point of posting your engine troubles here and then ignoring all advice given?
$1000 charge on <$200 parts =/ great success. Even Borat will tell you that.
Wait, you said you just replaced the plugs, wires, and ran some FI cleaner??? ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 2:03pm
Im not sure how involved changing the idler pully and drive belt are, but adding a bottle of injector cleaner and changing the oil are not high dollar repairs. Im not sure which sensors are the ones that detect spark plug misfires. Could be the KS, Id be curious to know as well. Youre right- they may not be able to pinpoint the exact cylinder, depending on the ignition system. Replacing all the plugs is a pretty easy first step if there are no obviously damaged wires, etc, though. ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 2:09pm
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Coil packs, 2 packs per, 4 outputs per pack, distributorless. Don't think the 302 ever got to the point where it had plug mounted coils before being replaced by the modulars but I could be wrong. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 2:17pm
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It did not know, and does not care if one or all are firing. I would say the O2 sensor picked up the high fuel reading, too rich, and could not lean out the mixture.
Then it set the code,I wonder about the plug not firing and the mileage on them.Ever part has a service life ,even spark plugs do not live forever.... What ever happened to a simple plug change?Cheap and easy to do , no scanner needed and would have saved you several dollars.But there goes my redneck thinking again,SORRY.............. ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 2:56pm
They probably hosed him with the injector cleaning service, which they charge big dollars for. They hook a special machine into the fuel rail and run detergent through the system with the car running. I got hosed into it with the 60k service on my previous 4Runner- absolutely zero change in the engine performance after. Probably would have been better off actually burning the money on that one. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 2:57pm
Great call. Should have thought of that one. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 4:35pm
Epa regulations actually require complete misfire detection on each cylinder on production cars... The simplist/cheapest method uses the crank angle sensor to sense unexplained changes in instantaneous Velocity. Read an article on this recently when I had a number 7 cylinder misfire on my 2000 crown vic interceptor (cost me 100 bucks for new autolite plugs and boots (coil on plug so no wires) This killed some v12 applications in the 90's if I remember correctly cause the computers at the time werent fast enough to keep up with that many events and keep all the cylinders seperate. If you want to learn way too much on the subject http://www.ilot.edu.pl/Journal%20of%20KonES%202001/JOK2001%20NO%201-2/R39.pdf - More than you ever wanted to know about misfire detection. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 5:31pm
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Sorry Joe , but do not buy that story.
If the plug was bad there was still voltage output at the coil, so there was also a pulse at the injector.You get fuel but no spark. The O2 sensor will see this as a over rich condition, this will set a code. Not firing the spark plug will not. ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 5:52pm
I'll buy that. The GF's Jetta threw several misfire codes (cylinder specific) as a result of the car "not liking" platinum plugs, according to the VW tech. Coils were fine, wires are new. Doc, you may be right that the over-rich condition threw the o2 code, but it probably threw the misfire code as well. ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 6:35pm
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You don't have to buy it, it is the facts. You can go to the SAE, Carb, or EPA sites to read the standards and regulations. Auto manufacturers are required by law to be able to sense cylinder specific misfire under all loading and operating conditions have been since 96 although they were allowed some phase in time between 96 and 2000. It doesn't matter if the coil sparks or not or if the injector fires or not... if you dont get an ignition the computer is required to sense it and issue a code after a number of repeat occurances. The oxygen sensor is not fast enough to tell in real time what cylinder had the problem but the crank angle sensor (and others) is and does. If it records multiple occurances over a 200 rpm sample it must kick out an MIS code. There are some allowances for when they can disable the system
The good news for marine manufacturers is that so far the 2009 carb standard makes cylinder misfire monitoring optional as long as it is not proven required to protect the catalyst, and if it is required to protect the catalyst it is still not to be required to be cylinder specific for marine use which will save some development and hardware money. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 8:57pm
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Moral of this story:
If you are not an Automotive Tech then find one you trust & keep him (or her) happy. Chris |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 11:20pm
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I'll vouge for the mis fire on one cylinder, i had a rough running VW cabrio and the light was on, it was a normal, cap, plugs and wires ignition, no coil packs. my scanner told me it was a misfire on the number one cylinder, the customer replaced the plugs and cap a week before so i knew those two were not the problem. put a set of wires on and cured the problem, ...I read Joe's post and have a feeling he is 100%, because i dont know how it picked up the mis-fire on number 1 and i was curious as hell on how it did it.
the scanner i purchased made life alot easier...now i too am a automotive technician lol eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 11:27pm
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The plugs that Ken replaced 20k or so ago, he forgot to factor in the possibility of how many times they were dropped before they were installed in his truck. Sorry ken I agree with the rest of the guys you got the Midas touch on that one. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-02-2008 at 11:29pm
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Here is a question i must ask and hopefully someone will know because i dont, I am wondering if i can use this scanner OTC Genisys, on boats, of course im talking about late style with EFI and so on.....do they have a obdII port to scan them? i would think they do and i think i can use the Global scan feature on the scanner. its hard to believe the information this scanner tells you, ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-03-2008 at 1:42am
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Oh, man, sounds like I got the dry carrot here. Tim, can I have you on retainer for all my repair needs? This is insane. I guess I'm too trusting. I have to say, my truck is running very strong. I hate to think I got the shaft, but I'm feeling good with the end result.
What the heck would cause a spark plug to go bad? The idler pully was squealing like a whore. That needed to be replaced. I wish I was more of a grease monkey. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-03-2008 at 3:07am
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Don't feel too bad ken that idler pulley would have seized and left you dead on the side of the road at some point and maybe your getting a half mpg better with the clean injectors... with oil at 100 a barrel that would pay for it all... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-03-2008 at 10:02am
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I let mine sieze cause im pretty lazy when it comes to fixing my own stuff, i had to puill the radiator and harmonic balance, it was a all dayer, the belt wrapped around the balancer and took out the seal...it created a ton of problems for me, next time i hear a squeel I'll put some belt dressing on it. lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-03-2008 at 11:52am
Your truck is fixed, and you're on the road. Now drive it to a Chevy dealer and trade that thing in! ------------- |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: January-03-2008 at 5:18pm
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Let's face it, if you pick your car up from the mechanic and you paid less than $500, they didn't really do anything to it.
These days up here in NE, if you don't have a heated garage- you pay the mechanic. Nothing is cheap these days. Glad you're back on the road Ken. -Brad ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-03-2008 at 11:07pm
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Thanks, Brad. The good news is that it was fixable. At least I didn't need a new engine. We're running like a top again.
Happy New Year, Brad. Lost Lake in 4 months? Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 12:57am
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You got it Ken. Happy New Year to you too
Hope you're staying warm these days- pretty nippy here on LL- 5 above tonight. Wood stoves have been keeping us nice and toasty though. JBear must be out covering his plants tonight-temps have been under 50 in Fla. lately.hahaha ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 1:03am
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Hey Brad...I am back inside now. It was 27 out this morning when we headed out to work. Everyone down here is in a panic. Does feel cold tho...windy too. We just ain't used to this anymore. Warmer by the weekend tho.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 1:10am
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wow- 27 is pretty nippy for Fla. I'll bet it's got some people freaked.
My folks can't wait to leave NH and get back to Naples. Never knew my Dad hated snow this bad. Guess he's spoiled now by the Fla winters. ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 1:37am
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Believe me...you get spoiled soon. We enjoy the snow...while we watch it on the tv. Snow is always the first item on the evening news.
Next time you visit your folks in Naples you gotta roll thru Lake Wales on your way down. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 1:51am
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My parents have not been in the "Great White North" for over 20 yrs.Mom passed away this year and Dad delayed going down til the 2nd week of December.It pained me to see him try to stick it out but after 2 snows and taking me to work so he could use my Jeep to get around,he decided to get going so he could enjoy some of that 30 degree weather! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 2:34am
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It'll warm up soon for him.
Sorry about your Mom. Bet your Dad misses her...don't know what I'd do without Patti. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 11:17am
John - I must be getting old, because I'm hating Winter more and more each year. 8 degrees this am ! My folks are down in Margate. They go earlier and come back later each year! I think I need to crank the Motorhome up and head South!
Ken - I'm with you, Engines suck when you're not good enough to do all the work yourself! Looks like you've got everything running good now though. Forget about what you've spent and enjoy! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 11:55am
No Kidding, Last year after replacing every moving piece in the front end of my motorhome I could still not find a mindnumbing squeak so I finally broke down and brought it in to my mechanic. After a $900 repair bill the end result was they couldn't find it either. That was basically a $900 chassis lube for both the motorhome and me!!! 
The ultimate fix was to install a new stereo system and crank it up while driving. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 12:15pm
We just took the wife's BMW in for service. New 02 sensor, front BRAKES and ROTORS, and input seal on the differential. Loaner car for the whole day as well. The cost? ZERO DOLLARS. Gotta love the 4 year/35,000 mile maintenance and new car warranty. Zero out of pocket for anything done in that time period, even wear items and oil changes. Keeps the resale value high since you know all the maintenance was done for the first 4 years of the car's life since it was FREE. Love it.  ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 12:21pm
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That warranty would last me about a year and a half. ------------- |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 5:31pm
Don't you love that kind of service. A couple years ago I was having trouble with my supra. After going though all the obvious ignition/electrical stuff, I concluded my carb needed work. I took it to a mechanic and told him my carb needed work. He fiddled with all the electrical and ignition stuff (which was all ok) told me my carb needed work, and that he didnt want to do the work, and charged me $140. (thank you sir, may I have another) ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 9:50pm
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Hey Scott: Just check where "Lake Wales" is on your map. Right in the center of the state. Stop by and we'll show ya a good time and take you for a boat ride. We love C/CFAN visitors.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: January-04-2008 at 11:54pm
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Joel
Trust me that warranty was not free you paid for it somewhere. But it's the thought that counts right. That's cool that it includes all the wear items. ------------- |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-05-2008 at 7:52am
Good Deal, Last summer after I passed the 60,000 mile warranty by 1200 miles on the company Pontiac the water pump started leaking and Air conditioning compressor went out at the same time. $1200, pay the girl on the way out please,thank you, come again. I know if I had bought the extended warranty it would run for ever without breaking down. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-05-2008 at 11:27am
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there is a bad mis conception about taking things back to the dealership, it is definitely something mental. some people think you get high quality work from the dealership...(especially with bodyshops) My father in law is one of them, he had a newer honda that got rear ended, about $5500 in damage and he insisted it go to the dealership for the repairs, i new if we got the car we would of used all Honda parts... well wouldnt you know after the repair, i looked at the tail lights and deck lid. those bastards used after market lights...and the paint was 2 shades off... i just kept my mouth shut ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-05-2008 at 11:55am
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Our '96 Suburban's fuel pump quit last fall about 70 miles from home. AAA towed it to a dealership about 1 mile from my house. The estimate was $795 for the pump, but if a certain part was too rusted and couldn't be removed easily, it would be $1,200.
I call my regular mechanic that lives 2 towns away and he said he'd do it for $495. He said the dealer would never take the time to remove the rusted part and it would difinately be $1,200 with them, (he used to work there). I told the dealer to push it out into the parking. They still charged me $130 to diagnose. ------------- |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-05-2008 at 12:14pm
That may be but it encourages the factory to put out well-built cars (although they do anyway) and I'll see it on the resale side. The car doesn't require much maintenance anyway- an oil change every 15k miles (depending on driving habits, cold starts, etc.- monitored by computer), a couple air filters, and maybe one set of brakes in that time period. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-05-2008 at 2:56pm
Growing up, I never kept a vehicle for more than a year and a half. I never had to sink money into repairs, but man, those car bills kept coming monthy! I've had my truck title for more than two years now, right beside my boat title. 
I have to say, I miss a couple of my former vehicles. In '93 I purchased a bright red '91 Toyota Supra turbo with the targa top. It had 9,000 miles when I drove it off the lot sideways. I had some HKS mods done to it, $8K worth of stereo equipment. I'll post a pic sometime. That car was mint. I sold it for a brand new loaded Nissan Pathfinder. I drove that for three months, got rid of it for a brand new Nissan Maxima SE, black with black leather interior. That was more my speed. What a beautifully made car the Maxima is. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-06-2008 at 11:53am
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Im re-thinking what im gonna drive, i need to switch from luxury to economy, im to cheap to fill my car up and if it breaks down and i have to leave it on the freeway, i dont want to have a full tank of gas in it, i start sweating when the gas pump hits 50 bucks ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-06-2008 at 4:53pm
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Filled up Patti's '93 5.0 Mustang convertable on the way home from Church...mid-range Shell...$3.32/gal.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: January-06-2008 at 5:41pm
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About the same as in Indy 3.0, 3.30 & 3.40 for Shell at some stations. Can not understand why there is so much diff. depending on the side of town. Some stations can be as much as .15 less. ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |