New Tow Vehicle
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Topic: New Tow Vehicle
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Subject: New Tow Vehicle
Date Posted: January-13-2008 at 7:45pm
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I bought a new Tundra back in October. Finally got a chance to clean it up and take some pics with the new side steps I installed.
I went in with an open mind and looked at all of the full size trucks out there. But, after selling my '98 Tacoma with 128k for $9,850, it was a no brainer, I went with the Tundra. Here it is: 2007 Tundra 4x4 SR5 Double Cab 5.7L (381hp, 401ft lbs of torque) 6 speed auto Nautical Blue, beige interior 
I have only put about 2,200 miles on it but, so far, I love this truck. I should be able to pull the Nautique anywhere I want this summer and fit all the kids in the back too. I am going to be adding a DVD/ Navigation deck and some speakers and amps soon, and a backup camera integrated into the DVD/Nav deck  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-13-2008 at 8:38pm
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Randy - I love your truck. The steps set it off.
We need to get a truck for a tow vehicle & I too am focused on the Tundra. Unfortunately, we cannot afford a new one. I think the VVT 381hp engine came out in '05, correct? There seems to be a big difference in asking prices between the '04s & '05s. Is the new engine worth the extra money? Any idea what the difference in gas mileage would be? What do you get when towing? Chris |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-13-2008 at 9:13pm
Randy, great looking truck. Chris, the 5.7 was new for '07, so you'd be comparing the 4.7 with and without the vvti. Its a totally different motor (with a lot less power) but its a smooth running, proven design. Toyota used it in everything from the 4Runner on up to the top of the line Lexus SUV's. There was a 35hp gain in '05 when the change was made (235 vs. 270). The change in torque wasnt huge, though- so the non-vvti is still a great motor for towing and everything else. From what Ive learned, the vvti motor might get slightly better mileage (maybe 1-2 mpg) but its real close. If the price difference is huge, Id be inclined to go with a '04. I have the 4.7 (vvti) in my 4Runner and I love it. ------------- |
SNobsessed wrote:Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: January-13-2008 at 9:26pm
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Beautiful truck Randy. Great color. If I were in the market for a new pickup, I think the Toyota dealer would be the first stop for me.
Rob ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7744" rel="nofollow - 2006 Ski 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1123" rel="nofollow - 97 SNOB |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: January-13-2008 at 10:09pm
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Tim is right about everything but the gas mileage depending on whether your talking about a 4x2 or 4x4 .
Actually the 5.7 4x2 gets better mpg than the 4.7. Here are the EPA-Estimated Fuel Economy Ratings: 4x2 - 4.7L(15/18 mpg), 5.7(16/20 mpg) 4x4 - 4.7L(15/18 mpg), 5.7(14/18 mpg) But, my computer is saying I am getting 12.7mpg, probably because it's cold and I let it idle to warm up a lot, combined with a lot of short trips. I haven't done any towing yet (while, one little test run), so I don't know how it will do, but it couldn't be any worse than the millage I got in the Tacoma. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-13-2008 at 10:17pm
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Guys - Thanks for the feedback - I am getting dizzy reading all the reviews. Cabin fever big time. It would be great to get 20MPG in a V8 truck, but I wasn't born yesterday.
Don't need it until boating season starts, so I have several more months to over-analyze this! |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-13-2008 at 11:09pm
Randy, I admit I have no idea what the 5.7 gets for mileage. My comment was based on the I-Force vs. VVTi ('05-current) 4.7 only, which is what I think Chris is comparing. Chris, I think it would be reasonable to expect 17-18mpg (highway) from a 1st gen Tundra in the summertime, regardless of which V8 it has. I get 18-20 in my 4Runner with the same engine. ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 12:13am
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Tim: Where do you get all your knowledge on such varied subjects? You are always able to weight in with an answer.
I think you are gonna be BKH when you grow up. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 12:41am
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I certainly hope he has something better to do than that. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 12:45am
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You know I meant that in the most respectful way my friend.
john PS: We all seen pictures of your beautiful wife, child, boat and house on the bay...so I think we know you are doin' ok. ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 2:35pm
That's a sharp truck Randy.Would have been my first choice when I bought last year,but they had just come out and no one wanted to haggle.I was shopping mostly on price due to starting a new business and being tight on funds.Wound up with a dodge,which I really like.It has the Hemi,and I've seen the mileage hit 18.5 in the summer,but when it's really cold it averages around 15mph.Your mileage should get much better as it warms up and the engine breaks in.If you are using the on board computer to calculate,long warm-ups,idle time seem to really affect the reading,and those short trips afterward don't really allow the computer time to get a realistic average.I had a 2000 tundra with the 4.7 and got about 15-16 on average,but I'm heavy on the throttle .Drove it 100k miles and asside from fluid changes,only replaced the serpentine belt and front pads-great truck.I don't expect the same from my Dodge...we'll see.
Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 6:44pm
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What a great looking truck! Let us know how it performs over time. You can't go wrong with any Toyota products. I love watching their commercials with the Tundra.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 8:44pm
| Maybe Toyota should get into the marine engine market. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 9:06pm
They were- it didnt last long. They put the 4.7 i-Force V8 into their line of Epic ski boats.  ------------- |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 10:25pm
| The guys on the Boston boat show post nailed it - there isn't anything about ski boats you don't know! |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-14-2008 at 10:43pm
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He always has the answer.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: January-15-2008 at 2:45am
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I'm really happy with the 5.7L so far. I was a little nervous being the first year it is out. The power is amazing, this thing will do 0-60 in 6 seconds! I can't wait to pull the Nautique behind it this year.
The Tacoma did OK pulling the boat, but I didn't feel comfortable pulling it for any long distance on the highway. I was just about limiting it's 5000lb. towing capacity. I probably would have torn that truck up if I would have continued to tow that kind of load with it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-15-2008 at 8:58pm
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Randy - I have been (carefully) towing our SN with a Honda Odessey - kinda exceeding the class 2 hitch.
Looking forward to getting a Tundra - your testimony is much apprecitated. I have a Camry - 90K & only had to do 1 repair on it (rack & pinion) so I have high hopes for a trouble free ownership - which I think is worth even more than the good gas mileage. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-15-2008 at 11:22pm
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i think Toyota tried getting into the ski-boat market at the wrong time, maybe today they wouldve been a little more successful, it really isnt a bad looking boat....thats just a guess. i talked to a guy last summer that somehow wound up with 10 transmissions from those boats, they were new and never made it into the boats, he wanted to sell all of them at once and i passed on them, i wished i hadnt and i didnt get his number, go figure ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: SkiLuNautique
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 11:26am
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Nothing personal, but these Jap vehicles make me want to throw up, 60yrs ago these bastards were killing Americans by any means, even suicide bomber style, appearantly you all may have forgotten that or your Father, Grandfather or friends did not fight or die by their hands.
I live in America and will support that which proudly represents our flag, country and Man!! |
Posted By: bmiller
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 1:16pm
| I've got an 2006 Tundra with the 4.7 and it has no trouble pulling my 78 Mustang,and the boat ramp I go to is very steep.No four drive needed to pull it out of the water like I had to do with my Ford Ranger 4x4 4.0 liter.Smooth truck,rides like a car and its quiet.It was just a better truck for the money.It blows Ford and Chevy out of the water quality wise and I shopped around for a long time before I bought.I decided I didn't need that extra big engine for what I needed to pull.Last time I checked there isn't a ski boat out there weighing more than 8000lbs,but hey thats my opinion |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 1:51pm
Eric, Did they make their own trans's? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 3:00pm
I may be going out on a limb here,but I'd guess that the workers in the US that build these vehicles in US factories have just as much pride in their work as a guy like 87 BFN, who proudly works works for Ford Motor Co. These people are still Americans who love their country.Maybe if we eliminated some of the illegal immigrants stealing our jobs and bleeding our system dry we would be further ahead,instead of constantly going back and forth about what country the automakers money goes to.At least they are providing jobs here in the U.S.I realize all things contribute to our problems,but in my opinion the money our government blows abroad is killing this country more than the people driving Toyotas. That's my opinion,but I'm sure someone's gonna let me have it
Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: bmiller
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 3:47pm
| I tend to agree with 05 210,even though I try a Toyota. |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 3:54pm
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My Silverado is made in Canada. I didn't realize I was buying an import until after I took delivery. ------------- |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 8:12pm
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05 210 thank you for the honorable mention. I have lots of opinions and facts about forgein and domestic cars. But I like talking to all you guys to much to go in to depth about them. Everyone is going to to drive what is right for them. The only thing I could ask is, when making a vehicle purchase give the big three a chance and keep an open mind. The big three has learned a hard lesson about quality and alot of other factors that go into selling cars. Took them a long time but they are turning the corner. Now I think the biggest thing holding the big three back is their dealerships, and the customer service they give or fail to give. ------------- |
Posted By: bmiller
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 10:22pm
| 87BFN,I have to agree on that also.I've been a Ford man all my life,hell I have a restored 1965 Mustang to prove it.The customer service was a big deal when I bought.I looked at both Ford and Chevy full sizes and thought hard about it when I was buying.It just turned out that the Toyota was the better truck for my needs and wants.Also it is a truck that is American made just with a Toyota emblem on the front.Really Toyota is a good company to work for with great pay and benefits.I can't lie when I went to the Georgtown,Kentucky plant where they make Camerys to try for a maintenance postion.They make over 100,000 dollars a year down there but theres alot of overtime.There were people there as far away as South Carolina coming up to take tool and die/maintenance test for jobs.I guess it goes to say if you build they will come. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-16-2008 at 11:11pm
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I will test drive the F150 & Silverado before making a final decision on a truck. My perception is that those are too big to fit in my garage.
My family was die hard Ford but I got soured by a lemon Windstar & then looked elsewhere. I think the big 3 auto worker has taken an unfair rap for bad design choices made by managers trying to make a quick buck. Competition is healthy in the long run. |
Posted By: RLSV211
Date Posted: January-17-2008 at 12:00am
| My 03 Dodge 2500 was made in Mexico. The money may have gone to Germany though, I think that may have been a few years later. |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: January-17-2008 at 12:19am
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I view the car market the same way I view politics. If you ask my opinion I will give it to you, if we disagree we can have a friendly chat about it. But if it's going to turn into a debate I am done. I don't want to ruin a friendship over a difference in opinion.
I will say this, I worry about the people that work at Toyota. The company has already started to talk about cutting pay and benefits. Infact this threat has become so real those folks that work at georgetown, that bmiller mentioned came to the UAW for advice. I don't want to see any of those people get screwed by corprate greed. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-17-2008 at 10:17am
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Pete, the answer is they use the same trannys as all the other ski boats, they were zf45"s with walter v-drives on the back of them.
Jap cars, we'll get into a shootin match as BFN says, all i can say is im 100% red white and blue and the argument that they build hondas and toyotas here doesnt work with me, People seem to forget that Ford GM's and Chryslers are built here too, by our Brothers...fathers....uncles.. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-17-2008 at 11:41am
I don't know about that, over the last ten years all the main Jap car makers have added jobs in the US and all the domestic car makers have moved jobs out of the US to avoid the high health care costs. If they want our loyalty in buying they need to start showing some loyalty in hiring. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-17-2008 at 11:58am
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this is a point of view, unbiased and it would never ever effect a friendship or family member, cause my mom just bought a new Honda.....
When you slap 40k on a foriegn car which is now dollar for dollar of an american vehicle. Not more than 20 years ago Tiedaman square was filled with people on bicycles, Japan's means of transportation was a man up front pulling you on a cart, they had no idea what a Lexus was because they were all being exported to the worlds super power, now all of a sudden China's and Japans streets look like an L.A freeway at rush hour. what fuels those Lexus's that they now can afford and the BMW's... Gasoline, now the 550 princes in Saudi Arabia which thier equivalant to a ski boat is a 5 million dollar yacht says to eachother we no longer have one big customer who we treat like they are our family, we have people right in our backyard that need gasoline as much as our not so great friends anymore in the US, and we dont have to use tankers and all the extra costs to ship it there...and you know something gasoline is like drugs...its supply and demand and we could basically put our own price on it because after all what are they going to do? so now the American people are paying 3 bucks a gallon average for a gallon of gas which by the end of the summer will be 3.50 a gallon, now with gas at the cost that it is it will start biting into the money we were able to stick aside into or savings for our kids future and we as Americans have a tendency to look the other way and fail to see the hidden costs of inflated fuel prices such as the food you buy everyday starts to creep up, the transmission you send me costs twice as much to ship as it did 5 years ago, your landscaper has to put a surcharge on the invoice, your appliance repairman has a surcharge, you are skipping weekends on your ski-boat cause your kid needs glasses.....you get the point and when they build them here right in our back yard and the profits stay here, the investers are in charge???? send me $500.00 once you do you are no longer in control of that $500.00 I am, and i am going to do with it what i want and when you need it back and i dont have it...who you gonna call. sorry for the rant, but when you are in business for yourself you have a tenedncy to notice this stuff ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: January-17-2008 at 10:43pm
I can't believe it took this long for this to surface again. As soon as I saw the pic of that truck, I knew someone would go there again. Relax. Rob ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7744" rel="nofollow - 2006 Ski 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1123" rel="nofollow - 97 SNOB |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-18-2008 at 12:23am
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I am just as surprised as you are Rob...thought these guys would take off on this way sooner.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: January-18-2008 at 1:47am
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Speaking of foreign vehicles; I wear a Harley shirt and ride a . . . .
We've got both a GM and a Ford plant here in the KC area. Health care is a big issue in the cost of manufacturing cars here in the US of A. I'm happy with my 2000 F150, it's missing a couple of pistons but pulls the old Nautique with pleasure! Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-18-2008 at 2:32am
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You wear a Harley shirt and ride what...???!!!!!
Now who would get you that shirt...you know you gotta ride one to wear one. Good thing the boat ramp is not to far away...what with you missing pistons. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: January-18-2008 at 5:17am
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I was really hoping this thread wouldn't go down this same old path again but here we are again...
I feel really good about buying my Toyota. The truth of the matter is that my Tundra has more "domestic content" than a Chevy Silverado or a Dodge Ram, that is, it has more parts produced here in the USA. 80% of the parts in my truck are built in this great country by Americans working either directly for Toyota or one of it's suppliers. In fact, Toyota purchases $28 billion in parts, materials, and services from hundreds of suppliers in over 30 states. http://www.toyota.com/50th/ - Read more here Toyota has opened a lot of new plants here in USA, providing 34,675 jobs for hard working people in Indiana, Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, Califonia. While GM and Chrysler are closing plants here and purchasing parts made in other countries. I looked at all the other trucks on the market, went to each dealership and test drove all of them. Then, I finally drove this truck. The Tundra was not only the best truck out there it was also the best value. When I'm going to spend 30k on a truck I'm going to buy the best quality, value, safety and "bang for the buck" I can, and it happened to be the Toyota. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: January-18-2008 at 10:30am
I gotta agree w/ Randy. My blood flows red, white & blue forever (and right now I've got (4) Ford & (1) Jeep), but if I was out shopping for a new rig, I'm going to compare apples to apples and go with the best value. I will always buy "well made" USA first. However, I work too hard for my money to give it away on lesser quality just because it says USA. To those who don't agree with that I say - Maybe more Americans need to get off their ass and make sure that everything labled "made in USA" is premium quality. This Country is great, but no reason we can't be even greater! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: January-18-2008 at 8:40pm
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What about everything else we buy???
Heck, I was at home depot last week buying plywood for a model train project in my boys room, and all of the cabinet grade plywood was stamped "Made in China" I asked the sales associate if they had any plywood from this country, he told me no, it all comes from China, they make it out on barges off the coast. So I went to Lowes, same thing. The company I used to work for, Norandex/Reynolds (previously owned by Owens Corning) was recently bought by a French Company, Saint Gobain, why weren't their customers , mostly small building and remodeling company's boycotting them? Why the hell weren't the construction guy's, driving around in their Ford F150's with the "Buy American" sticker on the bumper boycotting this stuff??? I think the reason is this, and I can sum it up in one word: ADVERTISING. They have been selling us on this Idea that we must buy a car from a company based out of Detroit if we are real Americans, even if the car is built overseas with foreign parts. I will continue to base my buying decisions on truth and not what someone at a big corporation wants me to believe ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: January-19-2008 at 5:14pm
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I am still not jumping back into this debate, but let me say this Randy. I work for the uaw and I refuse to support the purchase of any ford made anywhere but here or canada. It can be from canada, because they are CAW. That is my way of telling Ford Motor Company I am not happy with them building cars or trucks in other countries. Notice I said nothing bad about what you chose too purchase. As you said you shopped around and looked at all the options. At this juncture in time all I can ask is that, but in the future keep an open mind about the big three. Their quality has been improved greatly, as it is the imports that are starting to slip. Just not possible to build millions of cars in one year and not have some lemons. Not making excuses for any company, just stating a fact. The import companies are starting to have those troubles now. I wish you the best of luck with your truck, as no one likes to feel like they wasted their hard earned money. ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-19-2008 at 6:00pm
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Very fair and mature James.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: January-19-2008 at 8:27pm
Agreed.I also agree about the quality as of late seems to be getting much better. Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-19-2008 at 11:49pm
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Agreed also agree about the quality as of late seems to be getting much better. Mike[/QUOTE] Right you are Mike...even about something as sensitive as Foriegn vs American. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: January-20-2008 at 3:29am
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James, I totally respect your opinion and loyalty to your union and employer. And I agree with jbear and you are very fair and mature. I also agree that Ford and GM have improved quality as of lately. like I said, I looked at all of the trucks out there. I read countless reviews, visited forums, and test drove every one of them at least once and a couple of them more than once. I plan on keeping this truck for at least ten years, so I wanted to make sure I was making the best informed decision I could.
I decided on the Tundra because it was the best truck I could find for the money. I seriously considered the Silverado but I didn't like the way the doors were set up and there wasn't as much room in the back seat as in the Tunrda and by the time I added options like power windows it was costing as much as the Tundra would and the Tundra still had more power and towing capacity. Maybe the fact that I had great service out of my '98 Tacoma had some effect on my decision too. I bought that truck in 2002 with 60,000 miles on it for $15,000 drove it for over five years with not one problem and sold it with 128,000 miles on it in less than a week for $9,850. I didn't even have to advertise it, just parked it at the end of my road in the evenings. The guy who bought it paid exactly what I was asking, he didn't even try to get me down in price. I seen the new F150 while watching coverage of the Detroit auto show on TV the other night, and It looked pretty cool. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: January-20-2008 at 3:42am
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There is talk about a diesel Tundra... and they may look to GM or Ford for the engine.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/18/toyota-may-look-to-outside-supplier-for-diesels/ - Toyota may look to outside supplier for diesels  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: January-22-2008 at 4:54pm
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I think the above truck would look a little more appealing in a different color in my opnion. I know the intent of the color is to make it look tough, but I think a color that is a little glossier would be better. Randy you went way further then most people would have in your trucl selection. I commend you for that, and hope you get every one of those ten years you want out of that truck. That way more of your money can be spent on the boat. ------------- |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: January-22-2008 at 4:57pm
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Jbear and 05 210 thank you for the compliments, can you send a note to my wife about my maturity shown here.. Just kidding, but really thank you for the kind words. I am learning to cope with the fact that some of my friends will buy other name brand cars and trucks. Just takes some getting used to. Let us know how well it pulls the boat come spring Randy. ------------- |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: January-23-2008 at 3:01am
I have a tendency to "over-analyze" things. I took the boat for a "test pull" with one of the Tundra's I test drove. It was amazing, pulled it like it wasn't even back there. Better than the Chevy and much better than my old Tacoma. Too bad I didn't get to pull with mine before it got cold. If I make it out to GL this summer I'll let you take it for a test drive James, Don't worry, we won't tell the guys at Ford.
The more I drive this truck, the more I love it, it really is fun to drive. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 12:30am
Finally bought a new tow vehicle myself. Got tired of trying to pull around the SNOB with a V6 Explorer. Scored a great deal on this in Chicago last month. Thanks to Hollywood for making the effort to go look at it, since I was 100 miles away. Too bad I didn't tell the guy he was coming that night, so he went home early, leaving HW with a wasted trip
03 Eddie Bauer Expedition 5.4 33k Every option except rear TV. "Nautique" plate in the front When it gets warm enough to apply, CC sticker on back window. $78 to fill it yesterday 
Rob ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7744" rel="nofollow - 2006 Ski 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1123" rel="nofollow - 97 SNOB |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 1:26am
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Rob
Nice ride. Your going to love the stow-away rear seats on road trips. My wife has an '04 Eddie Bauer with the 5.4. It's a great pull vehicle for the BFN. Let me know what you get for millage. My buddy has an '05 EB and gets 15.5mpg. My wife gets 13.2mpg. She's either on the gas or on the brakes, no in between. 
Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 9:01am
James, We have three major car factories here in Belgium: Volvo, Volkswagen-Audi and FORD. Quite a lot of guys and girls I know work at the Ford plant here in Genk, wich is near my town. So I hope you don't mind that I do not quite agree with your statement
BTW, we Belgians have to drive foreign cars... We don't have a brand of our own LOL. That's why I drive a BMW (even though the Fritz invaded my grandfathers country as well  )
Also, more American brands tend to find their way much easier on our market nowadays... Chrysler, Dodge, Chevrolet,... And guess what... In beer country Belgium... Budweiser is getting popular...  ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 10:40am
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Oh, Randy,
Congrats on your new vehicle. You're okay in the book of my parents in law... They have had Toyota's since... well their first car! ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 11:03am
That is just wrong. Don't get me wrong, I drink as much Bud as the next guy. (OK, maybe the next few guys) But, your country produces some of the best beers in the world. I figure that Bud must be reasonably priced (cheap) for it to become popular in Belgium. Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 1:09pm
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Nope Steve... Bud is even a little pricier than normal lager...
Someone said ADVERTISING here... Lots of commericals (even funny too) for Budweiser on TV... It catches on... ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 4:29pm
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Kristof
I should have worded my statement a bit better. I disagree with ford building cars in other countries in order to get a cheaper price on labor. While I know that is the name of the game, alot of my friends lost ther job at wixom because ford sent 4 vehicles that were supposed to be built there to Mexico. I have problem with companies building cars in other countries so long as they are selling them in that country. That is not the case with the cars that got shipped to Mexico to be built. AS I have said before, I have altered my thinking when it comes to people buy forien cars. I all I can ask at this point is for people to compare before buying. The world is becoming more and more a world market place, with out going into all the politics. All I will say about that is I wish everyone would play by the same set of rules. ------------- |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 4:35pm
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That truck may seem big now Rob. Just wait till you start carrying 2 tons of baby stuff with you everytime you leave the house. Nice ride. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 5:03pm
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I like the color Rob. ------------- |
Posted By: azeus17
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 7:33pm
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I have been tossing around the idea of getting a new tow vehicle. Have been looking at F250 with the V8 desiel or the Chevy 2500HD with the desiel. Does anyone have one and can you tell me what kind of MPG's you are getting? I am trying to decide if going for the desiel is worth it or not. ------------- Boats: Current: 02 SANTE Sold: 89 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 7:41pm
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Two years ago I pondered that same question when I saw the diesel Excursion getting 16.5MPG compared to my gas Expedition getting 13ish. Now with the price of diesel hovering at $4.00/gal and the option of the diesel costing an additional 5K, I like the gasser. (IMHO)
Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 8:49pm
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There are many reasons to buy a diesel, but for most people, economics is not one of them.
Assume a diesel motor costs $5000 more than a gas motor. Assume diesel is $4/Gallon, and gas is $3.50/gallon. Assume diesel gets 17 mpg, and gas gets only 13 mpg. Assuming everything else is equal, you will still have to drive 147,300 miles before you recover the extra cost of owning the diesel. Most people will not keep a vehicle that long. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: azeus17
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 9:11pm
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Why is diesel so much more that regular gas? Isn't it actually less refined?
I am looking at used trucks, so I am not sure that the $5000 up charge is so high buying used. Buying new, however, it is every bit that much and more. I just built my dream truck on chevy.com and the Duramax option was over $7,000! Even if the two fuels were the same price at the pump, that is still a lot of miles before you get the return on your investment (unless you convert it to run on FREE used veg. oil). Like BKH said, though, I imagine most people don't buy diesel for the extra MPG's and I guess I won't either. ------------- Boats: Current: 02 SANTE Sold: 89 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: March-13-2008 at 10:22pm
Nah,buy them for the towing power.I'd love to have one for towing,but I don't do enough to justify it.I think with the fuel economy creeping up in gas trucks,there isn't such a gap in the mpg anymore.Some guys I know claim 18-20 mpg in their deisels,is that accurate??I get 16-18 average in my Dodge. Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: March-14-2008 at 12:16am
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Yes cummins get great MPG with the 3.54 rear end as opposed to the 4.10 option which puts the rpms to high at highway speeds. My uncles truck (99 cummins long bed ext cab 3.54 automatic) reguarly sees 22mpg unloaded on the highway. Our old 01 cummins had 4.10's but at lower towing speeds with my car on it(about 6000lbs load) it got 16mpg towing to columbus ohio at 65mph. Id love to have one but cant afford the fuel or the extra cost.
Thats pretty good mpg average out of a dodge 210. Cummins compaired to my dakota 360 with 3.92 gears puling my boat 75mph home from florida I got 9mpg in the hills till I got into indiana then I got 12. Soo the towing on the cummins is where its at compaired to gas. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-14-2008 at 9:49am
The diesel is the smart way to go IF you do a lot of HD (10,000 lbs. or more) towing. If not then you are correct that it isn't a economical choice. I'm sure there are lot's out there that simply buy a diesel for the macho factor!! I wish I had that kind of money to just waste!! Two big things have changed since I bought my 95 diesel. The higher cost per gal. for diesel and the higher cost for the engine upgrade have made it a choice I would no longer consider. I'm happy that I did get it back in 95 but I also have long since paid for the extra upgrade. I will be hitting the 200K mile mark next week and will be driving it till it drops!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: azeus17
Date Posted: March-14-2008 at 2:11pm
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That is another great thing about those trucks. My brother works for Ford on those engines and he said they are engineered to last 250,000 miles compaired to 150,000 for gas. ------------- Boats: Current: 02 SANTE Sold: 89 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-14-2008 at 2:28pm
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This morning I was looking at the 4.5L Cummins diesel that will be an option in the GM 1/2ton trucks. The thing is so quit, it's hard to tell it's a diesel. They figure 310hp and nice torque. It gets about 23mpg. Niiiiice
It was in a test truck from the local proving grounds. Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-14-2008 at 5:29pm
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I don't know about your cars, but over here diesel engines are built to last 500.000 km (310.600 miles)...
And most people here keep their cars for that long. BTW there used to be an extra tax on diesel engines, but the gov't abolished it, so the profit is bigger now driving a diesel here. And indeed, the torque on a diesel car is more than a gas car. ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: March-15-2008 at 7:30pm
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I have had both diesel and a gas V-10 F-350. If you plow snow like I do you know a diesel is where it's at. I plowed with the V-10 got 7pmg on average plowing. Diesel plowing snow got 15mpg on average. Gas motor haul trailers well, but diesels haul them even better. By the way you pay an upcharge for a diesel when new, but check the resale when used. Just for example 97 f-350 4x4 diesel is still going for $14k plus, same truck with a gas motor $7.5.
I agree with what has already been said, decide what you need the truck for.If your going to work it buy the diesel. ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-17-2008 at 12:01pm
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I think I just paid for part of the new refinery that Marithon is building in Louisiana! The pay at the pump has a $75 limit on credit cards. It normally takes two of my cards to fill the tank but today I reached the $75 limit on both cards. $4.099 per gal!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 7:37pm
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Pete diesel is $4.29 and above everywhere you go around me. By the way it's the gas station not your card. I use the same card at different stations some shut of some don't. I have even gone as far as calling the card company and they have always told me it is up the the station to put a limit on the pump. ------------- |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 8:43pm
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The same station will have different limits for different cards. Like $50.00 for VISA and $75.00 for Master Card ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 11:38pm
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I remember when I used to max out at $100, twice. I really don't understand the point of limiting a credit card that low. ------------- |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 1:38am
I was thinking of getting a used diesel instead of the Tundra. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't go that route. Diesel was $4.29 a gallon yesterday at the station near me.
I am still loving this Tundra, fun truck, lots of power and not using much more fuel than my old V6 Tacoma. Can't wait to pull with it this summer and everyone will be able to ride in one vehicle ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 2:18am
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You can actually run the same card again and continue pumping.
The Station limits the card on a per use basis. I have done this many times at Pilot and Flying J truck stops. They also told me that I could always just go inside and give them my card and they would open the pump for a fill-up. If I am pulling the Sea Ray behind the Motorhome, it is 75 gals for the boat and 50 gals for the motorhome. I just go in and give them the card. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 10:23pm
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I don't understand what the hell difference it makes. If you're paying with a credit card, let the damn thing go until it's done. It's PRE-paid. I won't go to the Speedway or Pilot here, because they both pull that crap.
Rob ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7744" rel="nofollow - 2006 Ski 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1123" rel="nofollow - 97 SNOB |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 8:27am
Real PITA when your filling up a motorhome or a bus right Steve. 75 gallon tank on the MH, I never let it go past half so I don't have a freaking heart attack at the pumps. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 10:13am
I love the look on my wife's face when I jump back in the MH and hand her that $200 gas receipt. 
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 11:30am
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1 75 fill up per day in the summer split between the trucks and the jerry cans for the boats and jetskis usually everything is down to a half tank or less by the end of the weekend then by the next friday everthing is full. If the weather is lousy I might not even go to the gas station more than 4 days a week, if its a good summer it takes some restraint to stay at the 75 (well plus 25 for beer and ice) a day. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 12:12pm
First year we had the MH we logged over 8000 miles, last year 2100 and this year so far we only have 3 trips planned for about 1300 miles. Between the insurance and the maintenance upkeep these things cost too much money to just let them sit in the driveway. Really a shame because when you travel with kids and pets it's the only way to go. You can still have it make sense if you factor in boarding the dog, hotel costs, feeding four people 3 times a day, etc but there was a time when we came out ahead of the game, that's long gone. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 12:42pm
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81nautique
PITA - YES it is running around $0.85 per mile for fuel and another $0.20 per mile for insurance. Our insurance comes up for renewal May 6th, will be interesting to see what this years cost will be. ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 2:09pm
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We just put an order in for diesel fuel to fill our in-ground tank.
Yesterday we were quoted $4.13/gal, and our sales person said to wait until Thursday, when it should go down $0.05/gal. We ordered it today at #3.98/gal. That doesn't sound like much, but it saved us $1200 on the 8000 gallons that we ordered. 
Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Behl
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 2:49pm
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tullfooter
It sure is always a gamble. Wait or buy now When one does interstate you also have check each states' price for that makes a big difference ------------- Steve in Indy http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1702&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - Redone 1977 Ski Tique |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 3:09pm
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Behl
It's definitely a gamble, similar to day trading. We do most of our trucking in our home state of Michigan. We rarely, if ever, fuel our trucks out of state. Ohio, if I'm not mistaken, is a little cheaper. Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:15pm
Alan, Add in the "fun" factor too! We're heading to Myrtle Beach in April. Then, for the remainder of Summer, it may be just quick 1hr trips to the Cape or NH. Worth it to be able to jump in and go whenever we want. I love traveling in that rig! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 7:37pm
the hp changes in the vvti to from the non wvvti I force are basically non existent. apparently it is 35hp, but you wiull not find it anywhere other than on the info from Yota. Those that have owned the 03-04 v8 4runners have not noticed any increse in power or faster accelleration from their 05+ v8 4runners. Our 04 4.7 4runner gets the same 18-20 mpg yours gets. And it also runs 0-60 a bit quicker than the mags tested them at when they were new. I used to have the times, but maybe we just got a "hot" one? That said, I love the new tundra. HAd the 5.7 been available in 04, we probably would have gotten a sequoia, but the 4.7 in the sequoia is too overwhelmed, even with apparently a few extra HP in the sequoia vs the 4runner. It just did not have the pep that the 04 v8 4runner we test drove, and then bought. But, we really like the new 08 sequoia, and it may be her first non 4 runner yota purchase. what kind of mpg have you been getting in the tundra as of late?? I know th e tranny is the same, and I think the gear ratio is the same, just a rear IRS (which I wish they had not done) vs the solid rear axle in the tundra. A rear coil spring solid would have been a better choice in the new Sequoia. Yota did a great job making the 03+ 4runner ride great with coils in the back and a SRA. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: April-05-2008 at 12:58pm
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Just got my new tow vehicle yesterday. Brand new F-350 4X4 diesel, crewcab short box. Pics to follow hopefully by sunday evening. ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 3:06am
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You Ford guys geta raise?
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 5:15pm
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NO raise John, lease on my F-150 was up, so a new truck was in order. Did't get a chance to take pics was a very busy week end. I am hoping I will have time in the next couple days. But I am really happy with it. ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 11:24pm
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From a F-150 to a F-350? No wonder you're happy!
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: April-09-2008 at 6:30pm
Jbear I have had (4) F-350's and (1) F-250 previous to my F-150. But it's time to go back to the big truck, here it is.
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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: April-09-2008 at 6:35pm
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James,
That looks way too cool!! 
Nice combination!
I wish you lots of fun with it. Kristof ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: April-09-2008 at 6:48pm
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Kristof
Thank you, I like the way it rides with and with out the boat. I wasn't to sure how the truck would match the BFN. But i know when I get the Air out it will go nicely with it as well. ------------- |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: April-09-2008 at 6:49pm
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Damn. nice set up.
I'll have to hook up my BFN to my F-350, but it will look funny considering it's a dump truck. I know who's buying the beers at the White Lake Inn this spring.
Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: April-09-2008 at 6:51pm
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jbear
I'm surprised that you were the only one who caught that line.
Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: April-09-2008 at 7:18pm
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Tull,
I always enjoy seeing boats hooked to company trucks. Beers at the White Lake Inn again this summer sounds fun. ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: April-10-2008 at 12:26am
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James: Sweet ride. I think you know I am a Ford guy too. Brother just retired a year ago from the Cleveland Casting Plant. I have had 3 Broncos....loved every one of them...and am now on my 4th F-150. I like the package to match...that is why I am on my second burgandy truck to match the boat.
Tull: The line was to sweet to pass up....thought HW would beat me to it. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: April-10-2008 at 3:24am
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I just caught the line you were reffering to, nice. ------------- |