I just bought a 63 Classic on eBay! [:o)]
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Topic: I just bought a 63 Classic on eBay! [:o)]
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Subject: I just bought a 63 Classic on eBay! [:o)]
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 3:34am
| Hi This is my first post. About 10 days ago I had never heard of Classic Craft til my buddy told me about this cool boat on ebay. He was well aware of Classic Craft and told me how this was one of the best boats made. Alas, I am the embarrassed owner of a 1963 Classic. I am only embarrassed here because I am ignorant of many things Correct. When the seller delivered my new old boat yesterday I was proud as a peacock before my neighbors as they watched it arrive. Anyhow I am glad to have found this site of folks committed to these great boats and their restoration. I'm Psyched! (yeah. I'm a classic too) |
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Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 3:36am
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Wlecome 63. The Classic was the first Fiberglass Correct Craft. There are several
members of this site who own Classics. Some are very nice, and some still a work in progress. Hope you enjoy the boat. Post some pictures. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 3:49am
I'm afraid pics have already been posted  But I am an eternal optomist and am glad I bought the boat. I went and saw it before I bid on it. I may be dumb, but I'm happy...
see http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9542&PN=1 ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 7:40am
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Ray, I'm glad you found us and congrats on getting the boat. Once the shock is over, you will need to get a plan together to lay out what and to what extent you want to fix the boat. The Classic is a Correct Craft that in my mind should be restored in the true sence and that restoration would be worth the effort. The great thing is this site, and the people on it that will give you all the help needed. Are you handy? Do you want to do the work yourself and do you have a area to work on it? This is not going to be a quick project and you may not be using it this summer.
I don't want to discourage you but rather encourage you on this project. Just making you aware that it is going to be involved. Fill us in and welcome to CCfan. Don't forget to check in with us every couple of days on your thoughts and progress. Don't leave us hanging! We will come after you!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 1:23pm
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63,
Welcome aboard. Obviously, as you are aware, there was a little bit of controversy surrounding that boat. However, rest easy in that the controversy wasn't about the value or condition of the boat but around the fact that the seller was not accurately representing it in his description. As long as you got what you were counting on and what you wanted, then you did well. If reidp thinks the price was reasonable then you did just fine. If you hang around, and we hope you do, you will come to realize that reidp, being the owner of a dozen or so vintage CCs knows what he's talking about, as do many, many others on the site that will be happy to help advise you through your restoration. Are you in eastern Mass? whereabout?. There are several of us in the general area, including Tim, who posted the "actual" pictures of the boat. Some, Like me, can offer moral support, some like Tim can help with the technical stuff. Good luck and welcome to CCFan. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 2:10pm
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Welcome to the site. Post some pics after you've given it a good cleaning. ------------- |
Posted By: 67nautique312
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 3:09pm
Welcome to the land of the Classics 63..... Good luck with the restoration.
Paul, ------------- 1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter) 67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 3:49pm
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I, as the almost owner of the boat, am glad to see it go to a member here...a new one at that! I must also admit that I'm a little envious, but I'm happier to see it get a good home. I can't wait to see what I almost had! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 3:52pm
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I can add that the 'ouch' comes with newer boats as well. I'm ripping the floor out of my '88 today...and not too happy with what I'm finding. Pics to follow on the 'pumpkin patch' thread. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-25-2008 at 11:02pm
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Ray,
Welcome to the site...if youve never been around an old inboard... your going to LOVE it! I assume when you are saying Classic Craft, your aware that the manufacturer is "Correct Craft", and the model you have is a "Classic" ? Either way...Enjoy!! and get some pics posted! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-26-2008 at 2:32am
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Thanks for the Warm Welcome everybody!!
Sorry for the delay in replying. I usually don't get to the "relaxing at the computer" stage till between 9-11pm. I live near Worcester (central) MA. This is the first boat I've ever owned. I love classic Trucks and have a soft spot for Y-blocks, which is what got me to look at the auction post on ebay. When I saw the class and style that this boat had I fell in love with it! It immediately invoked memories of an 18 foot mahogany fixer-upper that my father bought in the late 60's when I was just a kid. I seem to remember it being a Westwood and I distinctly remember it having a 4 cylinder graymarine inboard engine. Such great memories - chemical stripping paint, sanding, caulking, sanding, spreading marine varnish over that beautiful mahogany, did I mention sanding? I was about 10 years old and working with dad back then earned my first solo beers and cigars lol! Anyways this boat reminds me of that one only in glass. I got a kick out of the "plastic Classic" I read about elsewhere here. As I mentioned to Tim, I have a completely rebuilt Y-block sitting on an engine stand waiting for a home. Now it's all starting to make sense right? I hope I can change all the boat parts from the junk motor and get it all to work. I hope the motor spins the right direction? I really don't have a clue when it comes to boats, but I am handy with a wrench and sandpaper. Again thanks for the warm welcome folks!  ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-26-2008 at 4:07am
Yeah, I'm used to customs and classics even rats, but I've never been "correct" ------------- You guys are all wet! |
62 wood wrote:Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-26-2008 at 4:28am
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Ray,
I think your rebuilt motor , if from an automotive application, is going to spin the wrong way.. (Im assuming the boats motor is not a flywheel-forward?) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-26-2008 at 7:24am
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Steve, One nice thing about the Y block is it wasn't a flywheel forward marinization. They had learned that it wasn't a good idea to take all the power from the weaker PTO end of the V8's by the time they started using the Y.
Ray, Your rebuild will be the wrong direction but from the pictures Tim took of the LH prop it looks like someone has already dropped a automotive LH engine in the boat. The only bad thing this will cause the starboard (right) side of the boat to ride low when cruising. This is caused by the torque direction of the prop and the weight of the driver. Fill us in on your plans for restoration. Have you thought about putting the original side draft carbs back on? It will allow you to restore the dog house (engine enclosure) back to original. If someone happens to mention that the side drafts were problems, I will correct them!! They aren't. Which trans is on the engine in the boat? It came with a B/W Velvet as a option and the standard was the Dearbomatic. Or resident tranny expert (as in transmision!) Eric can help you out with ether. What were you going to do with the rebuilt Y block you have? The guy who makes these, has the decal with the firing order with ether LH or RH. I'll get you a email address if you need a set. Of coarse you have lots of other things to do first!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-26-2008 at 11:58pm
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Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 12:17am
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Sorry for duplicating the above post. I am not used to the forum's GUI yet.
I am not sure what tranny is in there yet. We are getting snow as I type. I covered the boat up real snug the other day after I cleaned it out a bit and am waiting out the weather. I do have a garage I can pull it into, but my 53 Ford Panel Delivery is getting new manifold, carb, covers, etc as well as a set of smoothie running boards. I am trying to gear up for and figure out what I need for the restoration. Can the tranny be used with either R or L rotation engine? Does the reverse position on the shifter then become forward? Are they direct drive forward and reverse? So many questions I have. Those decals are inspiring! I plan on using the rebuilt truck y-block I had in the new boat to replace that rusty frozen mess. I think that mess would make a good mooring though :) Is the only difference on engine rotation the camshafts? I have never encountered this and did not realize the difference till Tim pointed it out? I would love to put the original style side draft carb and drop the doghouse back down. They look so much better on the pics I have been seeing. Are the carbs available? Sorry for all the questions. I'm really earning my Newbie status  ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 12:30am
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Ray,
Each engine can have its own ideosyncrasies as to how they get a "bacerds" running motor. ( sorry.. insider joke from an old post). Oil seals, piston to rod mounting (if offset pins),timing gears (mainly GM), cams, etc, can all be differnt from their automotive brothers. The blocks, heads, etc are usually able to be used tho. Im not that familiar with the "Y".. .Im sure some guys here can tell you exactly what you need for it. As for sidedrafts, The Carter "YH" was also used on turbo powered Corvairs. You can occasionally find them on ebay.. Good luck! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 12:35am
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The cam, distribtor and the crankshaft. There are knurling on the rear for oil control, but a good machine shop could duplicate these to your new crank.
The other problem is the piston pin offset, and I cannot speak for the Y-Block.Windsor have 0 degree so the pistons dont care. The camshaft may be a salvage out of the old motor, worth the time to try. The next step will be the gear on the distr.rebuild the old one or simply exchange it on your unit . And don't worry about the NEWBIE STATUS, that will only last till you get neck deep in a CC,By the way welcome to the greatest show on EARTH.....CCFan.........Boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 12:46am
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Hey Ray... listen to the doctor.... he has what is argueably one of the fastest Fords on the site!?
(btw Billy, got ANOTHER 5-6" of that white stuff last night) ... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 12:51am
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Thanks for the welcome.
Holy Cow! They's lots ta do to change the rotation! I guess you'll know me from far away when you see me leaning siderds to the right lesuns I keep the beer keg flung over the left to even things out a wee tad. The "old" motor already is the wrong rotation, but I guess this should make me happy since my motor is wrong too. I just want it to be purdy and have fun! I guess I should be lookin for a carter YH carb eh? Was that the original they used or just a posible replacement? Do they sell rebuild kits for them? ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:07am
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is this the carb? Looks like I need to find the right intake too? or is there a 90 degree adapter?
see ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rare-Rebuilt-Corvair-Nash-or-Corvette-Carter-YH-Carb_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34198QQihZ020QQitemZ300201078921QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:11am
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Try these people, have been very helpful in the past, knows his stuff on the old YH series. lottsa info, answers dumb questions , and loves boaters....
62 mine is not a Y-BLOCK 302 ;bored and stroked to 331 GT 40 Heads Comp. Cams custom grind Stainless Steel Polished Hi-Tek Exhaust Edelbrock Performer Mallory Uni-Lite Ignition Check these guys out for your carb needs.. Daytona Parts Company 1191 Turnbull Bay Road New Smyrna Beach, Florida 32168 Phone: (386) 427-7108 Fax: (386) 423-8528 EMAIL: mail@daytonaparts.com Boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:19am
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Billy, I went back and corrected that right after I wrote it. ....Pauls the one with the Y I was thinking of... I get those red boats all mixed up!
Plus...after this winter, my brain is kinda numb! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:21am
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Wood: Don't you hear Florida calling??!!
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:24am
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Thanks for the lead doc! I'll give em a jingle.
63ccc ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:26am
Do I have to dye my hair white to move down there?
I hafta agree...FL. IS looking pretty good about now tho! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:30am
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No...your hair can stay just as it is...HW just left and his is brown....had a good time too I think. Temp=85 today...breezy...lots of white clouds.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:34am
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85 DEGREES! We can add an extra ouch to my name now. We had a timeshare for 2 weeks on the beach in fl that just ended sat and sat empty cuz my wife has been sick. Da-n! It's all good..... kinda
63ccc ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:39am
You guys get out? Your pics last week were killers... man I cant think of that....too depressing... btw, Temp=15 ... breezy (30+mph) ... lots of white clouds...oh, wait thats snow.. Oh, Ray, I think they used a special intake for the sidedrafts....at least thats what is on my 62 Higgins. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:43am
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Ray,
Heres a http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Marine-Y-Block-Ford-Side-Draft-2x1-Aluminum-Intake_W0QQitemZ200200362592QQihZ010QQcategoryZ36474QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem - Link to an intake for the y on ebay.... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 1:57am
I cant believe it. I been learning so much, so fast, soo expensive. Do you think that ebay intake is a good deal? Does that hole need to be sealed off from high temp exhaust (maybe alloy welded?)? It is now, also that day has dawned on Marble Head! I now realize I need 2 of those $$ carbs!!  ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 2:14am
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I dont know what those intakes are worth...seems like plenty to me tho. Might be worth a try advertising in the "Parts Wanted" section here first? Heck , you might even find some carbs? I cant imagine that they are that rare? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 2:16am
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sounds like good advice thanks. ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 7:19am
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Ray, The Ebay manifold may be a option but call Paul like you mentioned. He converted to a down draft and may still have his original manifold and the Carter YH's. Then go to marineengine.com and get a engine manual. The manual has all the engine specs but regretably no engine specific parts/numbers. It does however have all the marine specific parts with part numbers. Nice sections on both the Dearbo and B/W trans's too. You will need it as a reference. The guy who did the machine work on the Y you rebuilt may also be someone to talk to. Even though I have a Y, I'm not sure what differences besides the cam there are for the different rotations. The trans pumps are reversable so that is a easy change. It isn't the position of the shift lever.
The guy with the decals has 3 Y's in 3 restored Centurys. All are show winners and I'm sure he would be good to talk too. Steven J. and Steven R. Hilpisch E-mail: skhilpisch@sbcglobal.net Day phone: 317 230 5954 I don't know how much they know about the rotation issue though because the 3 Y's they have are LH and the rotation is reversed to a RH prop via a down angle box on their Dearbomatic trans's. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 11:55am
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63CCC,
I think getting the YH's back on the boat is a good goal, I don't think it is the most pressing issue (I've seen the pics ) Get her running with a 4v if necessary.
Make a to-do list. It will be long. Break it down to needs and wants. Prioritize the list accordingly so you can at least get her seaworthy for this summer. There are more winters to come to get to the wants. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1868&sort=&pagenum=1 - 62 Classic http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5242&sort=&pagenum=1 - 2002 Super Air |
Posted By: 67nautique312
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 6:14pm
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63ccc,
Yes i do have a full side draft set up for the intake and the themostat housings all complete if you need it......the carbs have been rebuilt also....Pete will steer you in the original direction for your restoration......I also have an original dog house too.
paul, ------------- 1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter) 67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 10:52pm
| Hi Ray good luck with your purchase You will love it i am also in mass.next to newburyport, I have a 68 skylark we keep at lake ossipee nh. are there many members near us? Peter Connolly |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: February-27-2008 at 11:17pm
You bet- there are a whole bunch of us in the area, including Keith. Check out the reunions page for info on the New England reunion. ------------- |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: February-28-2008 at 2:43am
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Paul,
I almost wet myself when I saw your pics. Talk about inspiration!! Thanks. You can email me soundimage@charter.net about the intake/carb setup. The carb on my boat is a corroded frozen mess and my motor in waiting has a stock 2 bbl sitting all in pieces in a plastic bucket of cleaning. I'll save that one for my 55 f-500 Dump truck:) Is that doghouse an original? Like Raindog suggested, I am hoping to concentrate on getting the powerplant installed and test her out before I dig under the skin. ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 67nautique312
Date Posted: February-29-2008 at 5:30pm
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Ray,
Thanks buddy......You will be there soon. I will e-mail you soon. Yes the doghouse is original and in great shape....As far as the intake setup i have all you need to convert it....just not sure if pete will let me get rid of it...What do ya think pete? Get to work......Oh and when you get finished whatever you do DONT photoshop pictures of girls on the back of your newly restored Classic.......these guys will tear you up LOL 
Good luck Ray! Paul, ------------- 1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter) 67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 67nautique312
Date Posted: February-29-2008 at 5:34pm
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I need to fix my signature photo's again.... ------------- 1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter) 67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-29-2008 at 6:45pm
Paul, I'm almost recovered from the shock of your 312 having the down draft 4bbl. I feel that Ray going back to the original on his will help my condition!! Go for it Ray. This is a very easy move. No shopping around for months on Ebay. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 67nautique312
Date Posted: February-29-2008 at 7:07pm
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Pete,
Look forward to see'n ya at green lake!! I am looking at a 72 mustang right now that an old guy has in his shed all covered up. it's all original with 90 hours on it,yes i said 90 hours.It has the 289 in it.....Haven't been out to see it yet but my good friend that owns the Nautique dealership here has and he said it's almost mint....???? not sure what color it is ....I WILL keep this one original pete......I was a little green on the last restoration not going back original(started the resto before i found CCfan).....probably would never do that again if i had to do it over again
------------- 1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter) 67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: February-29-2008 at 8:27pm
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Paul , Where did you say that Mustang was? I dont recall his name as a matter of fact I dont remember his phone number either . Maybe you could e-mail me with that and I would gladly look at it for you and take pics of it also .
Then maybe if your lucky I would take you for a ride in it at GL. Just kidding . I hope it is a great barn find for you . Snatch it up before someone else does . And be carefull when you say "mint" on this sight . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: February-29-2008 at 11:10pm
Lol! I was thinking the same thing.Here's a http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5951&KW=mint+condition - LINK if anyone needs a refresher 
Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: March-02-2008 at 2:46am
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You know what was mint on my boat? I found a new dime in it
Ray ------------- You guys are all wet! |
Posted By: 63CCCOuch
Date Posted: March-02-2008 at 2:59am
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whatever you do DONT photoshop pictures of girls on the back of your newly restored Classic.......these guys will tear you up LOL
Good luck Ray! Paul,[/QUOTE] Paul, Those were girls? I think I saw the pic..., Ray ------------- You guys are all wet! |