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Topic: She’s ready!
Posted By: Kristof
Subject: She’s ready!
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 4:22pm
Well guys, she finally finished...
Sanded, buffed, new wiring under dash, new radio, new decals, engine overhaul, redone trailer, ...
Now all I have to do is wait for the harbor to open on april 1st... cant wait to driver her!!!









Oh, and Pete, I know the decals aren't original But, no worries, I have the original decals if ever I want to sell her (which is not likely to happen in the near future )

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Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 4:32pm
Really nice looking boat. That's got to be my favorite year SN.

Hard to imagine that the trailer is safer or better than a factory trailer. It really looks jury rigged.

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Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 4:53pm
Kristof

The boat looks great, nice job on the graphics.
Now the trailer. I would call that a mutt. It looks like a mixture of three or four different trailers. I'm with Riley on the idea that our stock trailers are much safer. Your roads must be very narrow to justify the high center of gravity.
Keep the speeds down behind that Beamer of yours.

Steve

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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 5:09pm
Decals my not be original but I really like how well you integrated your club name and the nautique logo. Well done.

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Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 5:35pm
Kristof, looks good! Do agree with Larry, it flows really well.

Looking at your swim deck it appears larger then stock, or is it just me?

As long as the trailer works no worries, it does make one wonder how far you need to back in to get the boat to float, particularly if the ramp is not a steep one.

Have fun and ski hard!!


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Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 6:11pm
Clean looking boat Kristof, April can't get here fast enough for any of us. Enjoy

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 6:34pm
Kristof, You have done a fantastic job. I know how much work you have put it to the boat. I'll have to agree with the rest in regards to the trailer though. It does look weird but over here we aren't used to the way it looks. The light extension out the back is something I assume is part of the regulations you have? Glad you told me that you have the original graphics!!!

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Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 8:08pm
Kristof- Looks good. Did you oil the teak platform? It may just be the way the light shines off it in the photo, but it looks dry.

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Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 8:22pm
Looks great kristof now we need some weather.


Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 11:14pm
Well done.

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 11:35pm
Looks dry to me too, just the way I like it.

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Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 11:35pm
Great looking boat Kristof. All the hard work has paid off. Now if I could get a project finished!

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Posted By: MaddMarxx
Date Posted: March-18-2008 at 11:43pm
The boat looks great! how does that light bar work , does it slide in out of the way or what?


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Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 12:52am
Nice looking boat kristof. I like the graphics, nice job you should attract a lot of attention on the water in that.

I agree that the trailer does look top heavy, and not too safe, I hope you take it easy around the turns in that Beamer!

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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 1:02am
the boat actually has a fake look to it sitting on the trailer it looks like a scale model, nice job on cleaning her up. is that ah or a on the word Maas?

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Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 1:27am
I think it's "ah" Eric.



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Posted By: critter
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 1:36am
Really nice work Kristof.. Your hard work has really paid off for you.

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Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 1:43am
Very nice...cool lookin' shop too.

john

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Posted By: TRIP
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 2:50am
Gave schuit! (Awesome boat!;)

Makes me want one even more... Have fun with it!

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 6:15am
Thanks for the kind words guys!!

Quinner, the platform is original as far as I know.
Brad, I didn't oil the platform yet on those pics, but the oil is on it's way...

About the trailer... It looks odd to you guys, I know (to me too for that matter), but still it's very stable on the road, due to it's good shock absorbers and independent framework. (Steve, our roads are narrow compared to yours...)
Mark, the light bar does slide in and out. Regulations here state that your light always have to be at the far end of your load.

Eric, indeed as Randy mentionned it's pronounced "ah".

And finally, Pete, I knew you would be happy about the original decals, that's why I keep them

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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 10:41am
Very nice Kris! Do you get teased about having an American/foreign made boat?

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Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Very nice Kris! Do you get teased about having an American/foreign made boat?


hahaha Yeah... any "BUY BELGIAN!" campaigns goin on over there? hahaha

Nate

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 12:16pm
Awesome work, it does look like a model in some of those pics.

What prop are you running? Since you've got the 1.23:1 trans you have more options.

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 4:18pm
Well Hollywood, as our great engineer Tim suggested me on the other site (where you told me to add myself on the PN map ), it will be an ACME 470, that came with the boat...

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Posted By: shawnmc
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 4:49pm
congratulations on your boat. Looks great.

Checked your clubs web page out. Other than not being able to read anything on it.......it was cool. Enjoyed the pictures.

Have fun!


Posted By: todicus
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 4:54pm
Very Very Nice looking boat......... do you happen to know what RPM's you are running at WOT ?

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 5:07pm
Todd... WOT? Don't know that abreviation yet
Would have to ask previous owner about that though... I have driven her last summer when he still owned her, but didn't pay attention to it... Will let you know in April when I'll put her to water (as soon as I know what WOT means eh).




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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by nates78ski nates78ski wrote:

Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Very nice Kris! Do you get teased about having an American/foreign made boat?


hahaha Yeah... any "BUY BELGIAN!" campaigns goin on over there? hahaha

Nate


No, no teasing about her... First: as far as I know, there isn't a Belgian brand of boats and second: CC is simply the best, no argument about that



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Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 5:15pm
WOT= Wide Open Throttle.

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 5:23pm
Thanks Foot!
Well then, I'll let yall know in two weeks, when I'll put her to water and after warm up, I'll go WOT!

Just to have a reference: in what range do the RPM's have to stay?





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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 5:38pm
rpm's depends on if it's a stock motor or not I ran mine all the way up to 6K but it wasn't stock, mid 4K for a stock motor

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

rpm's depends on if it's a stock motor or not I ran mine all the way up to 6K but it wasn't stock, mid 4K for a stock motor

Based on what?

Its my theory that PCM's recommended max RPM is based on the powerband of the engine- not the strengh of its internal components. There is absolutely no difference that I am aware of between the bottom ends of the HO 351w (285+ hp) and the non-HO 351w (240-255 hp), yet the max recommended RPM varies by 400 RPM (4400 vs. 4800).

I can vouch for the fact that turning a non-HO 351w over 4400 RPM improves performance. I turned my 240hp motor over 4600 and gained holeshot AND top end with the Acme 470. Im not afraid of turning 5200+ on the same bottom end now that Im pushing more power.

Kristof, long story short, I would expect your WOT RPM's to be on the order of ~4700-4800. The 351w is plenty strong and will not be damaged by doing so. If youre happy with the all around performance, dont worry about a thing.

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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

rpm's depends on if it's a stock motor or not I ran mine all the way up to 6K but it wasn't stock, mid 4K for a stock motor

Based on what?

yet the max recommended RPM varies by 400 RPM (4400 vs. 4800).


well isn't that mid 4K's and isn't that right out of the manual Timmy?

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

rpm's depends on if it's a stock motor or not I ran mine all the way up to 6K but it wasn't stock, mid 4K for a stock motor

Based on what?

yet the max recommended RPM varies by 400 RPM (4400 vs. 4800).


well isn't that mid 4K's and isn't that right out of the manual Timmy?

Seriously, Chris- did you read any of my post?

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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 6:16pm
yes I did, I stated basicly the same thing with out interducing my "theory" about what it should be. And you come back "based on what" bull***************,

based on common knowledge, based on reading the manuals in the past, based on what other stock motors run from the factory that I have riden in Timmy, so I wasn't specific enough for you soory it's because it was a general question with no set exact RPM because there are too many factors effecting what the RPM might be or should be at WOT.

guess next time I'll dig out a print out for you eastcoaster's to see the facts in black and white, but then maybe it wouldn't be the same print out you would come up with.

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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 6:22pm
Does his fuel system affect the equation?

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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Does his fuel system affect the equation?


can if it's not tuned right

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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 6:32pm
Chris, from what I've read here from you and others, a lean condition is bad across the board...but I think he's on propane.

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

based on common knowledge, based on reading the manuals in the past, based on what other stock motors run from the factory that I have riden in

guess next time I'll dig out a print out for you

Im well aware of what the manuals say. I quoted the max recommended RPM's stated by PCM above. I disagree with them. I'll break it down for you, since youre having trouble following me.

As you know, the Acme 470 would not have been the stock prop on an '89. Due to its lower pitch (15") compared to the factory prop (16"), it will turn more RPM's. This helps holeshot, but due to its improved design, also increases the top end speed (I have witnessed this personally). Win-win.

The only drawback (if you could call it that) is that the max RPM's increase about 200 over the stock prop. The question is, will this damage the motor? I say no.

I think we would both agree that the bottom end of a stock 351w is far from weak, and that the 4400 max RPM rating is very conservative. PCM themselves recommends a full 4800 RPM on the same bottom end in the HO version of the 351, which uses the same internals.

Its my opinion that, in this case, exceeding the max RPM recommended by the factory will do no harm. Kristof may burn a little more gas with the extra revs, but thats really the only downside.

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 6:45pm
I'm enjoying yet another bashing LOL
I just went to the kitchen to get a beer and some chips... go on boys!!

I'm on propane. The installation is well tuned by a specialist and if there is still a loss in HP, it's minor (about 5 HP he says)...



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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 8:56pm
Originally posted by Kristof Kristof wrote:


I'm on propane. The installation is well tuned by a specialist and if there is still a loss in HP, it's minor (about 5 HP he says)...


kristof, You may want to check on the HP loss. I don't care what your mechanic has said or how well tuned he has got your engine running. The loss in HP is more like 10%. It is a simple fact that there are less BTU's in propane and hence less energy.

The lower pitch that Tim is recommending will be good with less HP.

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 9:09pm
Ah, OK Pete. Thanks. So in this case I would lose some 26 HP?
I'll let you all know how she runs. Can't wait to hear her roar on the water again! Come on spring!!!

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Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 9:09pm
Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

yes I did, I stated basicly the same thing with out interducing my "theory" about what it should be. And you come back "based on what" bull***************,

based on common knowledge, based on reading the manuals in the past, based on what other stock motors run from the factory that I have riden in Timmy, so I wasn't specific enough for you soory it's because it was a general question with no set exact RPM because there are too many factors effecting what the RPM might be or should be at WOT.

guess next time I'll dig out a print out for you eastcoaster's to see the facts in black and white, but then maybe it wouldn't be the same print out you would come up with.
eastcoaster's

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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

eastcoaster's?????

LOL

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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-19-2008 at 11:50pm
Let's not forget that even though it's less pitch, cup can add some of that back into the equation and also not every boat reacts the same to the same prop change. Ski Limes 540 experience comes to mind.

My .02 hammer down let it wind out, find the actual max RPM is now, then figure out exactly what the props specs are, then make a judgement call on how much to change the prop.

With the differences in the induction systems, your not comparing apples to apples so what worked good for you might not be so hot with less power driving it.

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Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 12:56am
Originally posted by Kristof Kristof wrote:

I'm enjoying yet another bashing LOL
I just went to the kitchen to get a beer and some chips... go on boys!!



Chips just leave less room for beer.
No bashing in this thread,Kristof.Just two guys with their version of the facks.Love the boat,looks great!
What's an Eastcoaster?


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Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 10:44am
Originally posted by 05 210 05 210 wrote:

   What's an Eastcoaster?    Mike


Sounds like a new ride at Six Flags

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Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 12:08pm
Eastcoaster would be a drink holder on your left, this of course does not play well with a right hand drive vessel.

Timmy, did you know 79' likes to be referred to as Chrissy?


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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 12:13pm
I hear the Europeons are poking at the Bin Laden Bee-hive....

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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 12:34pm
On the horsepower loss issue I don't concur with Petey's (sorry just following the mood) logic, the less BTu's per gallon would surely lead to less mileage per gallon but not necessarily to less horsepower if the gallon consumption increased. That should be relatively easy to accomplish since the propane is already a gas and doesnt need to be atomized to burn effectively. On top of that propane is considerably higher octane and therefore more timing advance is going to be possible without detonation. I would say a good tuner would take care of both of those issues. If it were me I would also deck the heads a bit as well to bump up the compression and hopefully that would get me about equal to preconversion numbers.

So anyway IMHO, he could easily be down 10-15%, but not necessarily.



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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:


My .02 hammer down let it wind out, find the actual max RPM is now, then figure out exactly what the props specs are, then make a judgement call on how much to change the prop.

Chrissy, I agree.

Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:


With the differences in the induction systems, your not comparing apples to apples so what worked good for you might not be so hot with less power driving it.

By different induction systems, are you referring to the propane or my top end mods? If youre talking about the propane possibly reducing the hp output, then the 470 turning more RPM will help (like Pete said).

If you mean my top end mods, my basis for comparison was when my engine was basically stock. The biggest difference would be in the hull, where the 2001 should be a touch faster (and turn maybe 100-200 RPM more). Still a valid comparison, IMHO.

My educated guess is that a bone stock 470 will work perfectly for him.

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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 3:24pm
sorry you don't understand what all is in the induction sytem, so IMHO your in left field again and want to focus on a small section of the equation instead of the whole equation and when you do that you are not comparing apples to apples Timmy. That's why it always takes a ME to bail out a EE.

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

sorry you don't understand what all is in the induction sytem

If my interpretation of an induction system being the method by which fuel and air enter the combustion chamber is way off in left field, then please do explain the correct definition to me, oh great ME wizard.

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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 3:56pm
how well did the 540 work on who's boat, and then there are the exhaust that didn't deliver, so there are several things that have been done with diferent results, some good some not so good, so saying because it did this to mine it's going to do the same to yours is horse***************. In an Ideal world it should but we are not in an ideal world and they are not apples to apples so why do you keep trying to make them apples to apples when it's clearly apples to oranges to most here.

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 4:14pm
two kiwis and a banana to two grapes and a string bean

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Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

two kiwis and a banana to two grapes and a string bean


So what you are saying is they are both a couple of fruits with string beans on the bottom end?


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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 4:25pm
no, i thought we were talking about what we had for lunch today???

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

there are several things that have been done with diferent results, some good some not so good, so saying because it did this to mine it's going to do the same to yours is horse***************.

If youre trying to discredit me, those are some pretty weak examples- but I appreciate your attempt nonetheless.

Im not sure what youre getting at regarding the exhaust- the one person I know who lost hp with them was coming from a setup that was far from stock (and is NLA, by the way). Now thats what I call an apples to oranges comparison. Personally, I gained 400RPM in holeshot and 200 on the top over my stock manifolds, which I am very happy with considering I have a slow running hull.

Ive never claimed to be a 540 expert, as most of my experience is with the 1.23. I have only witnessed that prop run first hand once on a 1:1 2001, so clearly my word is not gospel with regards to that particular setup. How any of the older hulls will react are anyones guess- I can only point to the multiple testimonials given by the members here.

What I do know pretty well are the 1.23 props. Clearly, there will be variations in applications- no two hulls are exactly the same, nor is every single engine. Elevation, weight, water temps, application and other factors will all come into play. However, I have run more of these props than most, and am glad to share my experiences and opinions. Beyond that, Im not sure what else you expect to hear. Should I put a disclaimer in all of my posts?

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Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

   Should I put a disclaimer in all of my posts?


Timmy,

That's a terrific idea, perhaps something like:

"two kiwis and a banana to two grapes and a string bean"


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Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 4:41pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

two kiwis and a banana to a twig and a two berries


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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:11pm
im trying to think of something to say, i wanna get yelled at....i got it, I love Mastercrafts

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:14pm
****** eric ****** what ****** brunstucky ****** shaft ****** beer ******

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:30pm
I for one have stomac ache from laughing...
But aside from that... I'm lost at all these technical explainations from the "Grand Poobah"s here... I don't know what to do anymore

Will you boys stop trowing grenades at each other and start explaining it to a complete engineering nitwit like me...?? On top of that... I ran out of beer and chips... damn!!!



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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:34pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Should I put a disclaimer in all of my posts?


Probably not a bad idea Tim. If I recall correctly, didn't the woman from Florida with the 68-72 Mastercraft Correct Craft Jet Drive dub you "Oh Great Clueless One"?


Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

im trying to think of something to say, i wanna get yelled at....i got it, I love Mastercrafts


Oh, Eric you must mean a Stars & Stipes boat which, again, if I recall correctly, pertains to all and every 70s and 80s Mastercraft that had the panel down the side with the stars lined up in it. That is correct isnt it?

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Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:36pm
OK boys, recess is over.

Steve

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'90 BFN



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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:40pm
Larry, her exact quote was "apparentley you dont have a clue on correct craft." Maybe she was right?

Kristoff, Im just impressed that you could understand any of that. English is my native language and I still cant follow that argument.

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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by Kristof Kristof wrote:


Will you boys stop trowing grenades at each other and start explaining it to a complete engineering nitwit like me...??


Kristof, I know nothing about all of that stuff as well, but I've been around here long enough to give you a loose translation. It all pretty much means,

"Go out, enjoy your boat, have fun."

I'm pretty sure that's all that really matters

(Tim and Chris, not putting down your "discussion". I'm always impressed with your collective knowledge. Just trying to put it in terms I can understand.)

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:50pm
Whenever Kristof posts it turns into an argument.

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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 5:54pm
Kristof,

in a nut shell since the climat, and boat's are very diferent your results won't be the same has others have seen on there boat's. Don't worry about limiting the rpm right now you have to find out what your max rpm is currently before you start changing props otherwise you most likely will be wasting your money and get the wrong prop, shipping not an issue here in the states if we make a mistake, but over there it's a little diferent story. So once you have a base line for your RPM, then you need to figure out what diameter and pitch prop is currently on it that you got that RPM. Don't worry about over reving the motor, your not just find some smooth water make sure the motor's up to operating temp then nail it and let max out. listen to the motor and make sure it doesn't start to ping on you if it does back off get the tune right and go back out and try again. You not going to run it for very long at WOT just long enough to know that's all she's got to give then slowly back off the throttle and cruise and enjoy the day. Now once we have the Max RPM and know the prop's spec then you can decide what you need and that is based on the rpm so you may need more pitch or cup to lower the rpm or you may need less to raise it. Too many variables to say yes this is exactly what you need and if anyone tells you otherwise there full of it and blowing smoke up your tush.

also don't have the boat loaded down with fatsacks or a lot of gear as that will reduce the rpm and give you a bad reading to go by.

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 6:02pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Whenever Kristof posts it turns into an argument.


HW, I thought you guys would call it "a lovely bashing amongst good friends"... or even "a fiendly discussion about diffenrences in opinions"...



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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by 75 Tique 75 Tique wrote:

Kristof, I know nothing about all of that stuff as well, but I've been around here long enough to give you a loose translation. It all pretty much means,

"Go out, enjoy your boat, have fun."

I'm pretty sure that's all that really matters


See... That's an argument I can completely understand

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 6:07pm
Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

you most likely will be wasting your money and get the wrong prop,

then you need to figure out what diameter and pitch prop is currently on it

All that is fine and dandy, and not necessarily bad advice there Chrissy- but no one is suggesting Kristoff buy a new prop. Im pretty sure he's going to run the 470 since thats what came on the boat when he bought it.

Kristoff, please do give us the results (RPM vs. speed) of that prop on your boat when you finally get out there and run it. The more data points, the better!

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Posted By: shawnmc
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 6:12pm
I am trying to follow but having a hard time as this is all new to me.(Not the fighting ...just the mechanics!).

79 I have an Acme 540 ordered for my 86, but i have definetly not tested out my max rpm like you suggested. Am i screwed?

P.s. Not to sound like a dumb*****, but can someone explain the ratio on the transmissions. Any questions about diabetes, blood pressure, cholesterol or blood thinners i can handle from you guys. Transmissions....i am screwed!


Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 6:16pm
shawn you'll be fine, that was a great choice. 79 is getting technical, looking for that 2-3 mph gain that the rest of us don't really care about. I don't think anyone is skiing at WOT besides myself.

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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

I don't think anyone is skiing at WOT besides myself.

LMAO!

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Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 7:12pm
I'm going to have to buy a laptop so that I can follow this thread while on vacation next week.
If not, I'll have to find a computer to get my fix.

Steve

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'85 BFN
'90 BFN



White Lake, Michigan



Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: March-20-2008 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

I don't think anyone is skiing at WOT besides myself.

LMAO!


Here's your WOT Hollywood



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Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 12:20am
I bneen watching the ads too Steve....to much fun here...I'll never be able to be away for 3 weeks in Tennessee this year.

eric; Now that he has visited in person...I see where HW understands about brunstucky.

Kristoff; I just reach for the Beam and Coke when these guys get goin'...I don't understand none of it either...but I sure enjoy reading it!

john

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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 12:29am
   J-bear, you sure do visit them there mountain regions an awful lot, you got kin there too?

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Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 12:47am
sure do...lotsa kissin' cuzins.

john

you're on kinda late...still at the shop?

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AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"...


Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 10:35am
i bet there some banjo players in the bunch,
Kris, you sure know how to rally the troops,

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Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 11:07am
79, Why you get so personal? I've met Tim B and one thing he aint is arrogant. What's this east coast bunk you keep throwing in there?

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Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 12:44pm
I think it's time for a group hug, come on Chrissy... Timmy, where are you? You know HW is in!!


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Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 1:04pm
WOW!
Glad I stopped in. Some good Friday reading.

Geez Chris you're hurting our East Coast feelings!
Maybe we're just those "typical white persons" that Barak is talking about??

All in all, you motor guys amaze me, squeek-out those extra couple HP all the time.
Wish I had some of that knowledge to rip apart an engine. (For me it's just knowing enough to keep it running. With help from this forum of course!)
Love hearing about all these little tweaks you guys do, but I'm still impressed with the bone stock nautique.
Mine can still rip my arms out and I never needed it to go any faster.

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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 1:11pm
CQ, I'm in too

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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 1:14pm
in this case the boat needs alot of torque coming out of the hole, which means your going to have to spin it faster on the low end, which is decreasing the pitch and or diameter, so that you can get all of the skiers out of the water at once. The only problem is then on the top end when you don't have any skier's it revs too high so you have to be careful otherwise the motor goes boom. It's not any different than what the wake boards experince in the older boats when they load it down with fatsaks and then it won't come out of the hole.

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by quinner quinner wrote:

I think it's time for a group hug, come on Chrissy... Timmy, where are you? You know HW is in!!


shirts or no shirts?

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Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by Kristof Kristof wrote:

CQ, I'm in too


Kristof- You don't know Hollywood!

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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 3:01pm
Kristoff's in too... she never would've known

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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: March-21-2008 at 5:15pm
Okay, I think this post has been hijacked enough. Time to close it out.

-Keith

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1994 Ski Nautique
86 Silver Nautique
79 Mustang



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