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OldSchoolBlue84
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Thank you! Appreciate it. looks great!
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Curious......with the new springs, did you purchase LRD tires to match the spring rating?? Looking for LRD tires but having a hard time finding LRD rims matching the tire rating. Personally, I would like to match all components. Thanks
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Kostas
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CCATW
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I can understand wanting a little more wiggle room, but I don't know enough to advise. The tire folks led me to believe I'd be fine w/ LR C tire, rated at 1760lb each. I recall them mentioning it was the side loads that's the most concern which wasn't a big factor in my case. Keep in mind I don't do much trailering, only 2 trips / year at less than one mile each way so my exposure is low. Also, my axle of course is only rated at 3500lb as I recall which puts boat and trailer near the top end of all these ratings. Good luck w your decision.
FYI, the tire fender clearance worked out well w/ the boat loaded, one of my concerns. Unfortunately, my prop clearance on the prop guard didn't, it's barely touching. My original trailer had a double set of boards which I understood I didn't need... but now I may have to go back and add a 2X4 spacer under the bunks. I'd be curious to know if anyone else has run into this issue. FYI here's a picture of the completed trailer w/ boat loaded... I haven't installed the carpeted step panels as of yet. |
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Thanks Ralph for sharing as it makes complete sense. Your trailer and stands looks great. Good work!
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Kostas
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TRBenj
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Morfoot
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Bought a new set of Goodyear Marathons from Wally World last summer along with a new set of rims from a site that TRBenj suggested. The OEM rims were rusting and beat up a bit. Shouldn't have a issue finding both. |
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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What was the site. I was trying to find these. |
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Previously: 95 Sport Nautique, 1980 Ski Supreme |
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TRBenj
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For a ‘88? |
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Hey Tim, I am looking for options for my 84 other then the painted white rims I found etrailer. Thanks
https://www.etrailer.com/Tires-and-Wheels/Kenda/AM32161.html |
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Kostas
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TRBenj
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Erring a little high on the tire load range isn’t a terrible idea, but I don’t see much point in going excessively high on any of the “hard” parts. 5-lug axles and bearings will be 3500lb capacity, 6-lug will be 5200/6000lb (depending on which outer bearing is used). Do not get too caught up on load range letters, they are helpful to compare within a given size (say, 14” tires) but the actual weight capacity will vary within a size to some extent and will vary greatly between sizes. A load range D 12” tire may have a 1200 lb capacity whereas a load range D 15” tire may have a 2500 lb capacity.
An ‘84 #3 trailer should have been a 5-lug (3500lb) with 14” wheels. They went to 6-lug 15” (5200lb) in late 85 or 86. Can you confirm what you have, Kostas? |
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OldSchoolBlue84
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I have the 5 lug on my trailer. Will be putting on the 5k springs and was looking to purchase a set of LRD close to the 2,040# capacity to get me over the 3,500# to have some additional insurance. I have been getting some inner tire wear which I believe it’s due to the original springs age or trailering with full tank of gas and gear. The allighment, tire presssure as well as bearings have been checked and verified. I am probably overthinking it. Thanks guys
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Kostas
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TRBenj
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Did you check the spindles when you replaced bearings? Worn springs shouldn’t cause uneven tire wear, but a bent spindle, loose bearing/hub or an overloaded axle (that is deflecting) would. Check hangers for straightness and replace all your bushings when you replace the springs. I’d replace the bolts as well.
One option for chrome 14” wheels: http://www.trailer-wheels.com/14x6-inch-Chrome-Spoke-Steel-Trailer-Wheel-5-Lug-1900-lb-Max-Load_p_578.html |
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OldSchoolBlue84
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It’s been around 4-5 years when I changed the bearings but never payed to much attention to the spindles. Tire wear started maybe around 2 years ago. The plan is to change all components including springs, bushings and bolts as you guys mentioned in this thread. It may not be a bad idea to change the spindles while upgrading everything else. Thanks again for your help!
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Kostas
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TRBenj
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Spindles are part of the axle and not easily replaced (no one here in CT does it)... could mean full axle replacement if you find issues.
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Duane in Indy
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If it were me I would stay away from a 5200 lb axle. I just put a new Dexter 3500# axle under my new trailer that I am building. It has 1 1/16" outer bearings and 1 3/8 inner bearings. Plenty stout. The problem with "over springing" a trailer is that your load is not enough to make the spring actually work and you end up transferring all of the road humps and bumps to the boat and have no cushioning effect. Sort of where the "log wagon" term comes about. I doubt that your present axle has been flexing. Old springs tend to wear out and are no longer capable of the load they were made for. JMO Duane |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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Duane in Indy
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Living near the "RV capital" of the world helps out on getting trailer parts. We can get a complete ready to hang new (3500) axle setup for $135.00 That includes everything but the tires and wheels. Springs included. Axles (3500) with electric brakes are under $200.00. I talked to the Dexter rep and he says that the electric setup WILL work in a boat trailer setup. Everything is sealed.
I opted for a surge brake setup only because I wanted disc brakes. Added that to my new CC trailer and just installed the same on my Ranger bass boat trailer. ps. go to the Johnsonsurplussupply site check out the trailer parts. White Pigeon, Michigan |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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8122pbrainard
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Kostas, Regarding spindle replacement, give a couple trailer shops and welding shops a call before you condemn the axle. Unlike CT. in the Midwest people do know how to weld metal! |
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8122pbrainard
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Duane, I completely agree on "over springing". I have actually installed 2500lb springs on a 3500lb axle to match the actual load. Major difference from riding like a rock to a baby carriage!! |
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Duane in Indy
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Seem to remember running across one or two. |
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TRBenj
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The 5k springs should work well on a 2001- with the delux trailer you’re near 3500lbs before you add gas, cooler or ski gear. I’ve used them on a 80’s #4 carrying a similar load and they ride very well. Leaf count and thickness is on par with the factory set up. They are too much spring for the lighter 2-gen SN and standard #3, however (IMHO).
Maybe it has to do with labor rates or implied liability, but none of the trailer shops would touch my bent spindle a few years ago... and they were clearly set up for more serious work than that. New axle they all said. While not the same solid stuff that came on the older trailers, the hollow dexter axle kits are very reasonably priced. If you do end up with a new axle I would absolutely upgrade to the 5200lb version as the aforementioned 2001 weight is line on line with the older 3500lb set up and is surely why cc started overbuilding them soon after. The peace of mind that comes with the extra capacity (and ability to load the boat with equipment) sure is nice for longer hauls. I went through this on the BFN a few years ago. |
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Duane in Indy
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Good point Tim. I am not up on the weights as you are. Matching spring weight to trailer /boat load is important |
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Wow lots of good information to absorb! Appertiate the comments.
Duane, Johnson’s surplus is awesome. That’s were I purchased the trailer tires I have now. Can not complain for mediocre tires that lasted 5 years, even longer if the inner did not wear out . Is that were you purchased your new axle? |
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Kostas
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OldSchoolBlue84
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It seems to trailer great. I do get some movement left to right above 60. I have more investigating to do |
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Kostas
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TRBenj
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Even nonexistent bushings don’t cause wandering in my experience (but they’ll make a racket and look scary). Check tongue weight #1 if it wags at speed.
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Here is the where I ended up getting the rims from: Rims for the 87' SN Trailer |
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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Finally getting to install everything. So far so good but I do have one question. How tight to you tighten the shackle bolts? Snug or enough to allow some movement between the links and spring? Appreciate it. Thanks
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Kostas
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